How do you prefer to start your text sim career?

Ben E Lou · 05-10-2007, 06:19 AM

Poll coming.

Ben E Lou · 05-10-2007, 06:25 AM

I prefer to play fictional, simming through one cycle of players to get a "mature" league, in that once I start running a team, I want every player in the league to have come in through the amateur draft.

Maple Leafs · 05-10-2007, 07:19 AM

Real players, current year. Way too much brand new information in a fictional universe to get my head around, need to start from something I know.

Ksyrup · 05-10-2007, 07:25 AM

I can't really answer this, since it seems to depend on the game. I would probably say "historical start, sim to present day," but there's only one game good enough to do that with from the historical perspective, and that's OOTP. I've never tried an FOF historical career because I'm put off by the inability to change the league structure to match real life. Without the historical option, I guess I'd go with the "fictional players and sim to generate some league history" option.

Richard Weed · 05-10-2007, 07:28 AM

There is no option for real players, current year with historical career statistics so I went with Historical start.

Coder · 05-10-2007, 08:05 AM

Since I'm a relative newcomer to both baseball and football (i.e. I haven't grown up with it around me), I prefer to create my own history in both OOTP and FOF. With FM and EHM though, I usually want to play with real players.

Ksyrup · 05-10-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Weed

There is no option for real players, current year with historical career statistics so I went with Historical start.

That would just be real players, current year. Whether they have career stats or not is pretty much irrelevant, isn't it? They are the same players who accumulated those stats, so it's not like they no longer are those players if you haven't imported their career stats.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-10-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I can't really answer this, since it seems to depend on the game. I would probably say "historical start, sim to present day," but there's only one game good enough to do that with from the historical perspective, and that's OOTP. I've never tried an FOF historical career because I'm put off by the inability to change the league structure to match real life. Without the historical option, I guess I'd go with the "fictional players and sim to generate some league history" option.

What he said.

KWhit · 05-10-2007, 09:05 AM

Fictional. No league history.

Logan · 05-10-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Real players, current year. Way too much brand new information in a fictional universe to get my head around, need to start from something I know.

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MizzouRah · 05-10-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Real players, current year. Way too much brand new information in a fictional universe to get my head around, need to start from something I know.

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Honolulu Blue · 05-10-2007, 09:12 AM

It depends on the game I'm playing and the mood I'm in. But generally, I prefer fictional players over real/historical players (been there, done that, reviewed the printouts) and an accumulated history over no history. With no history, you have to rely on the ratings, which is better with some games than others.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-10-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Real players, current year. Way too much brand new information in a fictional universe to get my head around, need to start from something I know.

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Which is just one more thing that differentiates me from my Good Twin above.

BrianD · 05-10-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That would just be real players, current year. Whether they have career stats or not is pretty much irrelevant, isn't it? They are the same players who accumulated those stats, so it's not like they no longer are those players if you haven't imported their career stats.

The main impact is in the Hall of Fame and career records. I don't want to wait 20 years (or whatever it is) to see people entering the FOF HoF, and I'd like a full set of career records to compete against. This is the real player equivalent to creating a history in a fictional universe.

molson · 05-10-2007, 10:08 AM

If league customization is an option, I always prefer a new, fictional, smaller league. In OOTP I'll start an 8-12-team fictional league in 1900 or something, playing as an owner right off the bat.

In FOF, where that's not an option, it has to real players, current career. If it's going to be NFL league structure, NFL teams, I can't get into a league with 1,500 random names I've never heard of. If it were an option to run a smaller fictional football league, then I'd switch to fictional players.

Young Drachma · 05-10-2007, 11:54 AM

It does depend on the game. But I usually like to sim for a history whether it's real players or not, accumulate some history and then step in. It's a lot more fun when you're not dealing with real players or at least, towards the end of the when the real players are done and have 50/50 fictional/real players.

Izulde · 05-10-2007, 12:18 PM

Entirely dependent on the game and my mood.

OOTP I tend to play fictional, small league and gradually expand.
FOF I go historical or current day.
TPB I go straight historical.

JediKooter · 05-10-2007, 12:39 PM

Depends, usually one of two: The first one, fictional players - new league, but start with all teams having to draft their teams first and I can only draft rookies. The second one, real players - historical league, no draft.

sabotai · 05-10-2007, 01:31 PM

Fictional players, no league history. If possible, I like to imagine that the start of the game is the start of the sport. With most text sims, that's kind of impossible though. I like to start with a small "universe" and then work it up through expansion if possible (which is to say, it's not with most sims).

2nd place for me would be Historical players with a league history. That's why I like FM and EHM. I feel like I'm stepping into a mature universe.

AlexB · 05-10-2007, 02:05 PM

There is no option for real players, with four/five years of sim to generate game stats, so I guess I can't pick any of the above...

Game stats are important to me over RL stats.

Sweed · 05-10-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Real players, current year. Way too much brand new information in a fictional universe to get my head around, need to start from something I know.

Says it all.

Emiliano · 05-10-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

I prefer to play fictional, simming through one cycle of players to get a "mature" league, in that once I start running a team, I want every player in the league to have come in through the amateur draft.

I've "evolved" into this kind of start, and I'm also a strong supporter of it. Back when I started playing FOF, instead, I couldn't do without real life players. Now, I really don't care. Hell, I even change the teams, to create my alternative reality!

Groundhog · 05-10-2007, 05:50 PM

I like to sim a ton of years with fictional players to generate a history. Then I review the history, and start playing.

Unfortunately, the only games that make this easy to do is FBB and FBCB. I think I also saw an option for multi-season sim in BBCF too, but I'm yet to try it.

Terps · 05-11-2007, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Real players, current year. Way too much brand new information in a fictional universe to get my head around, need to start from something I know.

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Karlifornia · 05-11-2007, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Real players, current year. Way too much brand new information in a fictional universe to get my head around, need to start from something I know.

Once again, ML summed it up perfectly.

Richard Weed · 05-11-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That would just be real players, current year. Whether they have career stats or not is pretty much irrelevant, isn't it? They are the same players who accumulated those stats, so it's not like they no longer are those players if you haven't imported their career stats.

BrianD had a good response. I'd also add that I want the opportunity to break Walter Payton's single season rushing record with LT, or Dan Marino's records with Manning, or Jerry Rice's receiving records with Calvin Johnson. Isn't that part of the allure of a text-sim that crunches numbers so well?

Capital · 05-11-2007, 10:08 PM

I like to start current day because it's too much new information at one time...otherwise

JW · 05-11-2007, 11:48 PM

Fictional, no league history. I'm 28 years into a fictional OOTP 6.51 league right now, and it is the most interesting league I've ever played. I kept this one small, 12 teams, two divisions, first two teams in each division in the playoffs. I think because it is small I've been able to get a feel for the entire league like I've never gotten before.

View Poll Results: How do you prefer to start your career?
"Real" players. Current year.	49	44.95%
Historical start.	13	11.93%
Fictional Players. No league history.	27	24.77%
Fictional Players. Sim league history then take over a team.	20	18.35%
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05-10-2007, 06:25 AM	#2
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I prefer to play fictional, simming through one cycle of players to get a "mature" league, in that once I start running a team, I want every player in the league to have come in through the amateur draft. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

05-10-2007, 07:19 AM	#3
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Real players, current year. Way too much brand new information in a fictional universe to get my head around, need to start from something I know. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

05-10-2007, 07:25 AM	#4
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I can't really answer this, since it seems to depend on the game. I would probably say "historical start, sim to present day," but there's only one game good enough to do that with from the historical perspective, and that's OOTP. I've never tried an FOF historical career because I'm put off by the inability to change the league structure to match real life. Without the historical option, I guess I'd go with the "fictional players and sim to generate some league history" option. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

05-10-2007, 07:28 AM	#5
Richard Weed H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: May 2007	There is no option for real players, current year with historical career statistics so I went with Historical start. __________________ I'm tired of taking names and kicking ass...I'm just gonna kick some ass.

05-10-2007, 08:05 AM	#6
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Since I'm a relative newcomer to both baseball and football (i.e. I haven't grown up with it around me), I prefer to create my own history in both OOTP and FOF. With FM and EHM though, I usually want to play with real players. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

05-10-2007, 09:05 AM	#9
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Fictional. No league history.

05-10-2007, 09:12 AM	#12
Honolulu Blue Dynasty Boy Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan	It depends on the game I'm playing and the mood I'm in. But generally, I prefer fictional players over real/historical players (been there, done that, reviewed the printouts) and an accumulated history over no history. With no history, you have to rely on the ratings, which is better with some games than others.

05-10-2007, 10:08 AM	#15
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	If league customization is an option, I always prefer a new, fictional, smaller league. In OOTP I'll start an 8-12-team fictional league in 1900 or something, playing as an owner right off the bat. In FOF, where that's not an option, it has to real players, current career. If it's going to be NFL league structure, NFL teams, I can't get into a league with 1,500 random names I've never heard of. If it were an option to run a smaller fictional football league, then I'd switch to fictional players.

05-10-2007, 11:54 AM	#17
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	It does depend on the game. But I usually like to sim for a history whether it's real players or not, accumulate some history and then step in. It's a lot more fun when you're not dealing with real players or at least, towards the end of the when the real players are done and have 50/50 fictional/real players. __________________ Current dynasty: Playtesting chaos (Viperball 26) \| OOTP Mod: Managerial Strategy Files \| GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

05-10-2007, 12:18 PM	#18
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Entirely dependent on the game and my mood. OOTP I tend to play fictional, small league and gradually expand. FOF I go historical or current day. TPB I go straight historical. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

05-10-2007, 12:39 PM	#19
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	Depends, usually one of two: The first one, fictional players - new league, but start with all teams having to draft their teams first and I can only draft rookies. The second one, real players - historical league, no draft. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4 Last edited by JediKooter : 05-10-2007 at 12:40 PM. Reason: cant type

05-10-2007, 01:31 PM	#20
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Fictional players, no league history. If possible, I like to imagine that the start of the game is the start of the sport. With most text sims, that's kind of impossible though. I like to start with a small "universe" and then work it up through expansion if possible (which is to say, it's not with most sims). 2nd place for me would be Historical players with a league history. That's why I like FM and EHM. I feel like I'm stepping into a mature universe.

05-10-2007, 02:05 PM	#21
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	There is no option for real players, with four/five years of sim to generate game stats, so I guess I can't pick any of the above... Game stats are important to me over RL stats. __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

05-10-2007, 05:50 PM	#24
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	I like to sim a ton of years with fictional players to generate a history. Then I review the history, and start playing. Unfortunately, the only games that make this easy to do is FBB and FBCB. I think I also saw an option for multi-season sim in BBCF too, but I'm yet to try it. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

05-11-2007, 10:08 PM	#28
Capital High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000	I like to start current day because it's too much new information at one time...otherwise

05-11-2007, 11:48 PM	#29
JW College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Monroe, LA, USA	Fictional, no league history. I'm 28 years into a fictional OOTP 6.51 league right now, and it is the most interesting league I've ever played. I kept this one small, 12 teams, two divisions, first two teams in each division in the playoffs. I think because it is small I've been able to get a feel for the entire league like I've never gotten before.

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