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Old 06-05-2007, 08:39 PM   #1
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2007 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

It may be bad luck to start a thread like this when my team is still playing, but as a longtime-suffering Cavs fan my interest in the draft as a whole has steadily increased over the years.

Even the past few years when the Cavs didn't have much to work with in the way of draft picks, I tend to follow a couple of sleeper players that I root for in the draft and hope they wind up in good situations. They are usually kids who performed well at big-time colleges or conferences, but for one reason or another they aren't projected as first round picks.

This year the guy I'm rooting for is Boston College's Jared Dudley. I only saw three BC games last season but he struck me as the kind of guy you love to have as a teammate. In each game I saw he was all over the court doing pretty much everything to get his team the win.

As usual, he's a senior and not a great athlete, so he's projected to be a 2nd rounder regardless of the fact that he was probably the best player in his conference. He performed very well at the NBA pre-draft camp, but it's still unlikely he'll get selected in the first round, and will probably be an early 2nd rounder. He would do better as a role player on a winning team rather than a bit-time player on a lottery team, and with Dallas and San Antonio picking at #3 and #4 in the 2nd round, that's probably his best fit.

Another guy I'm rooting for is Pitt's Aaron Gray. I think he should wind up a serviceable big guy in the NBA, and It's looking like he'll be around in the 2nd round too. At best he could wind up a Brad Miller-esque guy, which isn't bad for the 2nd round.
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:44 PM   #2
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Dudley is a player. He may not be the most physically gifted player out there, but he's just a straight...player. He wants the ball in the clutch, decent rebounder for a big guy, solid range, good putting the ball on the floor.

You're right though. He will do much better doing in the second round and getting onto a decent team hopefully rather than going high. It will allow him time to make the leap without having the pressure of trying to carry a whole city on his back (which he may not have the physical freakishish ability to do a la Oden or LeBron). He will play and contribute well wherever he goes though, of that I have no doubt.
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:49 PM   #3
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Sounds like Flip will be back for the Pistons.
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:50 PM   #4
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Actually, seriously it's a lot better to be undrafted then to go in the 2nd round. Dudley could then get a chance to try out for a team where he has a chance to get into a good situation make their roster, or possibly go overseas for a year and show what he's got.

I also hope the Cavs can buy a first rounder this year...it'd be nice to get a developmental big guy to back up Z and hopefully take over in 3 years.

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Old 06-05-2007, 08:50 PM   #5
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Dudley is a whiny crybaby, but he'll be a solid player in the NBA. If he falls to the late 1st/2nd that would be similar to Josh Howard's drop after being ACC PoY. Another sleeper that I have been touting for months is UMass' Stephane Lasme. Only measured as 6'6, but he has hops and averaged 5 blocks a game at the Orlando pre-draft camp. He'll immediately come in and be a help defense presence, high-energy guy who hustles, and since he's only been playing for 5 years his offensive game should continue developing.
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:51 PM   #6
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I'm just hoping Conley slips to #5. I think he's going to be crazy good.
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:54 PM   #7
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Dudley is a whiny crybaby, but he'll be a solid player in the NBA. If he falls to the late 1st/2nd that would be similar to Josh Howard's drop after being ACC PoY. Another sleeper that I have been touting for months is UMass' Stephane Lasme. Only measured as 6'6, but he has hops and averaged 5 blocks a game at the Orlando pre-draft camp. He'll immediately come in and be a help defense presence, high-energy guy who hustles, and since he's only been playing for 5 years his offensive game should continue developing.

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Old 06-05-2007, 09:00 PM   #8
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I'm just hoping Conley slips to #5. I think he's going to be crazy good.

I wouldn't be suprised if Conley slips a bit. I've been reading that Atlanta thinks #3 is too high for him and they're leaning toward taking the best player on the board, Brandon Wright (another wing!).

He's a tough call. One year with the talent OSU had makes it tough to really judge a PG. Small-ish point guards are usually difficult to project.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:03 PM   #9
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I wouldn't be suprised if Conley slips a bit. I've been reading that Atlanta thinks #3 is too high for him and they're leaning toward taking the best player on the board, Brandon Wright (another wing!).

He's a tough call. One year with the talent OSU had makes it tough to really judge a PG. Small-ish point guards are usually difficult to project.

Wright's another guy I like a lot in the draft. If Conley and Wright go 3-4 ... I'll be sad.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:04 PM   #10
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I wouldn't be suprised if Conley slips a bit. I've been reading that Atlanta thinks #3 is too high for him and they're leaning toward taking the best player on the board, Brandon Wright (another wing!).

He's a tough call. One year with the talent OSU had makes it tough to really judge a PG. Small-ish point guards are usually difficult to project.

The Hawks are stooopid to pass on another PG for a wing. Then again they are the hawks....

I think Conley is going to be great....he's got a good head on his shoulders and comes from a good family. He should be a great defender with his speed and hands. Even if he's not a great shooter, I'd say he'll still be a good player for 10+ years, barring any major injuries.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:09 PM   #11
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I wouldn't be suprised if Conley slips a bit. I've been reading that Atlanta thinks #3 is too high for him and they're leaning toward taking the best player on the board, Brandon Wright (another wing!).


Isn't Wright going to be a PF? He's 6'10" with a pretty big wingspan. I didn't see much of him, but from what I've read everywhere he's a 4 at least.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:12 PM   #12
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Isn't Wright going to be a PF? He's 6'10" with a pretty big wingspan. I didn't see much of him, but from what I've read everywhere he's a 4 at least.

He's a Garnett-type wing. He's going to play the 3 unless he get stronger. The guy is built almost exactly the same way Garnett was at that age. He's going to have to work his ass of to grow into a 4.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:13 PM   #13
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Wright's another guy I like a lot in the draft. If Conley and Wright go 3-4 ... I'll be sad.

Do you want the C's to take one of them, or are you looking for another team to jump up to #5 in a trade with the Celtics? I can't see the Celtics taking Conley, Wright is possible though I think. Before the measurements and physical tests I was really looking at Corey Brewer, but I think he faired the worst in Orlando and can't see him being taken as high as everyone thought now. Jeff Green would be an interesting pick, got kind of the point forward thing going for him, and I think he could definitely play the 4 along with the 3.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:13 PM   #14
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Over the past week or so Conley has taken a bit of a hit from the critics. The "critics" may just be sport journalists, but I think there are definately some question marks about his game that might prevent Atlanta grabbing him. I think he's definately the best choice for them because the only other options where they'll be selecting are either a PF or a tweener wing player, which they have 11 of already.

Still, I can totally see Atlanta passing on Conley at 3 with the hopes of either him falling to #11, or grabbing Acie Law/Crittenton at that spot, though those two would be a reach that high most likely.

Being Atlanta, they will probably grab Brandon Wright at #3, and Thaddeus Young at #11...
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:18 PM   #15
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Excellent article up on draftexpress.com today regarding the NBA Pre-Draft combine:

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2096

Absolutely crazy to see that Monta Ellis was ranked the worst athlete of all players measured in his draft class, and that J.J. Reddick verticle leap was measured one inch less than Andre Iguodala's.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:19 PM   #16
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Do you want the C's to take one of them, or are you looking for another team to jump up to #5 in a trade with the Celtics? I can't see the Celtics taking Conley, Wright is possible though I think. Before the measurements and physical tests I was really looking at Corey Brewer, but I think he faired the worst in Orlando and can't see him being taken as high as everyone thought now. Jeff Green would be an interesting pick, got kind of the point forward thing going for him, and I think he could definitely play the 4 along with the 3.

I want the C's to draft Conley, I think that's their best pick. I am not interested in Jeff Green, he doesn't really impress me at all. Brewer would be an ok pick, but he's kind of the same type of player as Pierce.

The Chinese guy keeps getting compared to Pau Gasol, which I find worrisome - Gasol is such an odd player, its almost like Jianlian doesn't remind the scouts of anybody good, so they're just making something up.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:24 PM   #17
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He's a Garnett-type wing. He's going to play the 3 unless he get stronger. The guy is built almost exactly the same way Garnett was at that age. He's going to have to work his ass of to grow into a 4.


Agreed there on Wright, he has nice touch and I could see him working on his shooting range and playing the 3 more easily than bulking up and banging down low primarily.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:32 PM   #18
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The Chinese guy keeps getting compared to Pau Gasol, which I find worrisome - Gasol is such an odd player, its almost like Jianlian doesn't remind the scouts of anybody good, so they're just making something up.

The Chinese Brad Lohaus.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:34 PM   #19
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dola....most likely the Hawks should take the BPA at #3, and then swap him for someone taken a bit later, and hope to get another asset back in a trade with that player.
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dola....most likely the Hawks should take the BPA at #3, and then swap him for someone taken a bit later, and hope to get another asset back in a trade with that player.

No idea who is running the show in Atlanta, but I agree with you. Grab BPA, see where Conley ends up. In the unlikely event that Conley is there at #11, take him. If not, see who does and try and get Conley.

Maybe even swing a deal with the Sixers and try and grab a couple of their picks and Andre Miller.
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I should clarify....i think Conley is probably the best player for the Hawks, but most likely they can get him and another asset by taking the BPA at #3 and doing a straight swap. I think the Celtics might nab him at 5, but they have about a million small players as it is. Set up a deal with someone like Milwaukee at 6, or Minnesota at #7.
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Maybe even swing a deal with the Sixers and try and grab a couple of their picks and Andre Miller.

I'd love it if we could get Dre Miller or even Bibby for Goods this offseason. We are starting to have enough expiring deals that we can get something done.
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I think the Celtics might nab him at 5, but they have about a million small players as it is.

How many of them are any good, though?
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:26 PM   #24
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Well, one endorsement Kevin Durant won't be getting is cover of Men's Fitness magazine.
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:27 PM   #25
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How many of them are any good, though?

I heard they were planning on tanking for OJ Mayo or Derrick Rose anyways, so it's too early to nab that franchise PG.
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I heard they were planning on tanking for OJ Mayo or Derrick Rose anyways, so it's too early to nab that franchise PG.

That's a good point.
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:43 PM   #27
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I know there's a ton of people that are very high on Durant, but I honestly think Brandon Wright's potential is much closer to Durant's than Durant is to Oden.
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I'd love it if we could get Dre Miller or even Bibby for Goods this offseason. We are starting to have enough expiring deals that we can get something done.

I'd give my firstborn to get Dre back in Cleveland. I was a massive fan of his when he was at Utah U, and I've always regretted Cleveland parting ways with him. He's probably my favourite basketball player, and everything that I look for in a PG.
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I know there's a ton of people that are very high on Durant, but I honestly think Brandon Wright's potential is much closer to Durant's than Durant is to Oden.

I don't think that's crazy at all. I'm pretty sure that Wright could jump over my house.
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No argument from me about Brandan Wright, either - any other year and everyone would be drooling from the mouth over him.

My big problem with him is that, sure, he's a legit 6'10 in shoes, but the guy is 200lbs right now and doesn't have any kind of mid-range game (that I've seen) to speak of. Really needs to add at least 20lbs, but who knows how much that'll affect his athletic abililty.
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I'm hoping he finds his way onto the Wizards roster as he'd be a nice backup with Haywood on the first train out of town.

Yeah, that might be a good fit for Gray actually. I don't know how strong a rebounder he'll be at the next level, but his style of play would probably fit well with the scorers that the Wizards have in their starting unit.
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It would be interesting to see who drafts Yi Jianlian. Basketball skills aside, he'll be a big boost to merchandise sales and his team will be able to get into a huge market in China (seeing as Yao and Yi are the only guys China are boasting about in basketball right now).
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FWIW, this did not surprise me at all. I mean look at him. If he spent an hour in the weight room over the last 5 years, I would be shocked.
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whiny crybaby?
In the Tim Duncan/Manu Ginobili sense where he's shocked any call went against him. Speaking of which, the Spurs would be a good fit for him late 1/early 2. He also is probably a model citizen if he made it through 4 years of BC basketball without being arrested once.
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I should clarify....i think Conley is probably the best player for the Hawks, but most likely they can get him and another asset by taking the BPA at #3 and doing a straight swap. I think the Celtics might nab him at 5, but they have about a million small players as it is. Set up a deal with someone like Milwaukee at 6, or Minnesota at #7.

If the C's take Conley at 5 Danny Ainge better not answer a strange knock at the door. At any hour.
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So, if Boston takes Conley at 5, they will have:
6-4 G Tony Allen (1st rounder in 04)
6-0 G Sabby Telfair (1st rounder in 04)
6-2 G Delonte West (1st rounder in 04)
6-1 G Rajon Rondo (1st rounder in 06)
6-0 G Mike Conley (1st rounder in 07)

And that's not even counting the 6-2 Allan Ray. That would be about a 7.5/10 on the unintentional comedy scale by Bill Simmons. Surpassed only by the SF collection in Atlanta and the WR group in Detroit.
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they aren't taking conley

and telfair is unlikely to be a celtic next season. it will be west/rondo.
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But Telfair won't be back and Allen may not be the same player. Personally I think the two spots the Cs need are PG and C. They aren't going to get a center, so getting a PG is the best option.

I hope they trade the pick, but if they don't Conley makes a lot of sense.
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Old 06-06-2007, 12:58 PM   #42
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I will once again express my manlove for Acie Law, the best PG in this draft, and my hope the Pistons find a way to get him.
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So, if Boston takes Conley at 5, they will have:
6-4 G Tony Allen (1st rounder in 04)
6-0 G Sabby Telfair (1st rounder in 04)
6-2 G Delonte West (1st rounder in 04)
6-1 G Rajon Rondo (1st rounder in 06)
6-0 G Mike Conley (1st rounder in 07)

And that's not even counting the 6-2 Allan Ray. That would be about a 7.5/10 on the unintentional comedy scale by Bill Simmons. Surpassed only by the SF collection in Atlanta and the WR group in Detroit.

How many of those can actually play point guard in the NBA? Other than Conley, none.
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How many of those can actually play point guard in the NBA? Other than Conley, none.

who says Conley can? The hype machine is in full force for this guy who is 5-11. I'm sure he's fine but people are getting carried away.

Rondo is their man and will probably get the most minutes at the PG next year. I have no issue with him and West out there unless of course Conley is like another Nash.

I like Brewer at the #5 spot. Guy that can actually play defense. C's need someone like that, not necessarily scoring.
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they aren't taking conley

and telfair is unlikely to be a celtic next season. it will be west/rondo.

I agree. I think Rondo showed enough last year that he deserves a good look. He was a 1st round pick last year and didn't suck, its way too early to give up on him.

If its Chris Paul sitting there at #5, its one thing. But you're looking at an undersized PG that played 1 year in college. Taking Conley would be a typical Danny Ainge mistake.
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who says Conley can? The hype machine is in full force for this guy who is 5-11. I'm sure he's fine but people are getting carried away.

Rondo is their man and will probably get the most minutes at the PG next year. I have no issue with him and West out there unless of course Conley is like another Nash.

I like Brewer at the #5 spot. Guy that can actually play defense. C's need someone like that, not necessarily scoring.

Rondo and West are both Gil Arenas style guards, not really what you want for a point. And Conley can play defense.

Not that it really matters who they take, they're probably going to suck anyway.
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Taking Conley would be a typical Danny Ainge mistake.

I'm getting worried because I've heard very little about him out of C's camp. That means Ainge is all over this guy.

Farging dufus. Yeah, let's take on Wally and 15 billion dollars a year for the next 12 years.
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Old 06-06-2007, 01:16 PM   #48
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Seriously tho .. am I the only one who feels Law is the best PG in this draft? I think he is going to be Brandon Roy-like as a rookie.
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Old 06-06-2007, 01:19 PM   #49
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Seriously tho .. am I the only one who feels Law is the best PG in this draft? I think he is going to be Brandon Roy-like as a rookie.

No, Law looks like a good player. If you want a scoring type PG he is your man.

Think like Sam Cassell perhaps. Well maybe that's a knock in a way but you get the idea.
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Old 06-06-2007, 01:20 PM   #50
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Seriously tho .. am I the only one who feels Law is the best PG in this draft? I think he is going to be Brandon Roy-like as a rookie.

I think he's ok, but there's no way he's as good as Conley. I only saw Acie play a couple of times, though.
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