The Miami Dolphins would not be a fun multiplayer GM

[albionmoonlight]

So Miami just dragged out the Trent Green trade situation for a while so that they could stare down Kansas City in order to make sure that they did not give up a worse second day pick than they had to.

And now, they are holding on to an extremely pissed Culpepper so that they can see whether a team is willing to give up a 6th round pick or some such for a QB with a bum knee and a horrible attitude who has not played well for 3 seasons.

If they were a team in multiplayer FOF, they would be the team getting yelled at for taking days to work and see if they could get that 2014 seventh round pick in the trade upgraged to a 2013 seventh round pick.

They are, of course, a team in the real NFL, and I still wonder whether the marginal draft pick value that they are receiving/will receive is worth tons of drama that pisses off the fans and makes you look cheap/incompetent.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

So Miami just dragged out the Trent Green trade situation for a while so that they could stare down Kansas City in order to make sure that they did not give up a worse second day pick than they had to.

And now, they are holding on to an extremely pissed Culpepper so that they can see whether a team is willing to give up a 6th round pick or some such for a QB with a bum knee and a horrible attitude who has not played well for 3 seasons.

If they were a team in multiplayer FOF, they would be the team getting yelled at for taking days to work and see if they could get that 2014 seventh round pick in the trade upgraged to a 2013 seventh round pick.

They are, of course, a team in the real NFL, and I still wonder whether the marginal draft pick value that they are receiving/will receive is worth tons of drama that pisses off the fans and makes you look cheap/incompetent.

the thing I guess I don't understand about the culpepper situation is that he is demanding to be released. Right now he is making good money. He won't see 1/4 of the money that he's making now as a FA. Now given he's an NFL player and he wants to play, but he's going to give up a big $$ paycheck from the Dolphins (or some other team) to get a fraction of that as a FA? Now given, the 'Fins will probably release him anyway and eat the cap space if they can't trade him (unlikely) but I don't understand him pushing to be released.

Just seems...weird.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

So Miami just dragged out the Trent Green trade situation for a while so that they could stare down Kansas City in order to make sure that they did not give up a worse second day pick than they had to.

And now, they are holding on to an extremely pissed Culpepper so that they can see whether a team is willing to give up a 6th round pick or some such for a QB with a bum knee and a horrible attitude who has not played well for 3 seasons.

If they were a team in multiplayer FOF, they would be the team getting yelled at for taking days to work and see if they could get that 2014 seventh round pick in the trade upgraged to a 2013 seventh round pick.

They are, of course, a team in the real NFL, and I still wonder whether the marginal draft pick value that they are receiving/will receive is worth tons of drama that pisses off the fans and makes you look cheap/incompetent.

Not only that, but they're also not letting Culpepper report to minicamp or the Dolphins training complex.

[Maple Leafs]

Keep in mind that by trading him instead of releasing him, they can have a say in where he goes and prevent him from winding up in the division (Buffalo) or with a team on their schedule somewhere. Minor consideration, but not a non-factor I'd imagine.

[Izulde]

*sigh*

This franchise hasn't done shit since Shula.

[miami_fan]

Well I have never been a part of a MP league so I am not sure what the etiquette is, but as a Dolphin fan I have no problem with it. Like you said the Green deal was a game of chicken so both teams would seem to be at fault for dragging out the deal. I mean if the Chiefs would have just accepted a 7th round pick, the deal would have been done before the draft right? If I remember correctly Green was equally as pissed with the Chiefs as Culpepper is at the Dolphins. The Chiefs did not just let him go to make him happy. The Dolphins have told Culpepper that he will either be traded or released. He got upset.The team is investigating their trade options and if there are none (I don't believe anyone will trade for him either), then he will be released. It seems to me, that they are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

the thing I guess I don't understand about the culpepper situation is that he is demanding to be released. Right now he is making good money. He won't see 1/4 of the money that he's making now as a FA. Now given he's an NFL player and he wants to play, but he's going to give up a big $$ paycheck from the Dolphins (or some other team) to get a fraction of that as a FA? Now given, the 'Fins will probably release him anyway and eat the cap space if they can't trade him (unlikely) but I don't understand him pushing to be released.

Just seems...weird.

Because right now, he isn't being paid anything. He knows he will eventually be traded or released, he just wants it to happen now, so he can try to join and stick with a team early. If they wait too long, he may not get anything at all. So, he already knows he becoming a FA or accepting a trade with a serious reworked contract. It's inevitable. He just wants it to happen now, which makes total sense to me.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Because right now, he isn't being paid anything. He knows he will eventually be traded or released, he just wants it to happen now, so he can try to join and stick with a team early. If they wait too long, he may not get anything at all. So, he already knows he becoming a FA or accepting a trade with a serious reworked contract. It's inevitable. He just wants it to happen now, which makes total sense to me.

he's being paid right now. Or at least he will be once he gets to the "roster bonus" or "sitting on the bench" part.

and with someone like him where the question is can he even perform anymore, I think he'd do best to wait to decide where he's going until there's a team with a desperate need, a QB injury and no backup ready to step up or something. if he goes in trying to compete for a job he'll make next to no money, and likely won't win it.

He needs to wait for someone to go down to injury or a young guy to not perform for 3-4 weeks.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Keep in mind that by trading him instead of releasing him, they can have a say in where he goes and prevent him from winding up in the division (Buffalo) or with a team on their schedule somewhere. Minor consideration, but not a non-factor I'd imagine.

He sucks, I would want to trade him to a division opponent to get to face him twice a year.

[Dutch]

the thing I guess I don't understand about the culpepper situation is that he is demanding to be released. Right now he is making good money. He won't see 1/4 of the money that he's making now as a FA. Now given he's an NFL player and he wants to play, but he's going to give up a big $$ paycheck from the Dolphins (or some other team) to get a fraction of that as a FA? Now given, the 'Fins will probably release him anyway and eat the cap space if they can't trade him (unlikely) but I don't understand him pushing to be released.

Just seems...weird.

Money doesn't buy you happiness. Especially when you already have millions in the bank.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

he's being paid right now. Or at least he will be once he gets to the "roster bonus" or "sitting on the bench" part.

and with someone like him where the question is can he even perform anymore, I think he'd do best to wait to decide where he's going until there's a team with a desperate need, a QB injury and no backup ready to step up or something. if he goes in trying to compete for a job he'll make next to no money, and likely won't win it.

He needs to wait for someone to go down to injury or a young guy to not perform for 3-4 weeks.

No, he's not being paid a single dime right now; not until the season starts (or a roster bonus comes along which I don't believe he's getting one). That is more than 3 months away. And that's my point. And the QB position is alot different than others where a guy can step in after joining a team on short notice. If he's not at least in training camp (and even better if he gets there sooner than that), he's likely not going to get any offers close to or into the season to replace an injured QB as the starter -- a team will just go with whoever they have as the backup at the time because it really is too late to bring in another QB who could do better without having known the system. I guess we just disagree on that.

In addition, even under your theory, wouldn't he want to be a free agent now so that as soon as an injury occurs he can sign up with the new team, instead of waiting for the Phins to release him or trying to swing a deal that doesn't come to fruition -- then he's missed that opportunity. Let's face it, he is not going to get paid another dime from the Phins no matter what. With that being the case, it makes absolutely no sense from his viewpoint to what to be with the team. There's absolutely no advantage to it whatsoever. And if he gets released now, it doesn't mean he has to sign right away with another team, it just means he'll be ready to go at a moment's notice to sign without having to wait for the Phins to try and trade him.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

he's being paid right now. Or at least he will be once he gets to the "roster bonus" or "sitting on the bench" part.

and with someone like him where the question is can he even perform anymore, I think he'd do best to wait to decide where he's going until there's a team with a desperate need, a QB injury and no backup ready to step up or something. if he goes in trying to compete for a job he'll make next to no money, and likely won't win it.

He needs to wait for someone to go down to injury or a young guy to not perform for 3-4 weeks.

No, he's not being paid a single dime right now; not until the season starts (or a roster bonus comes along which I don't believe he's getting one). That is more than 3 months away. And that's my point. And the QB position is alot different than others where a guy can step in after joining a team on short notice. If he's not at least in training camp (and even better if he gets there sooner than that), he's likely not going to get any offers close to or into the season to replace an injured QB as the starter -- a team will just go with whoever they have as the backup at the time because it really is too late to bring in another QB who could do better without having known the system. I guess we just disagree on that.

In addition, even under your theory, wouldn't he want to be a free agent now so that as soon as an injury occurs he can sign up with the new team, instead of waiting for the Phins to release him or trying to swing a deal that doesn't come to fruition -- then he's missed that opportunity. Let's face it, he is not going to get paid another dime from the Phins no matter what. With that being the case, it makes absolutely no sense from his viewpoint to what to be with the team. There's absolutely no advantage to it whatsoever. And if he gets released now, it doesn't mean he has to sign right away with another team, it just means he'll be ready to go at a moment's notice to sign without having to wait for the Phins to try and trade him.

[stevew]

Culpepper's agent is an idiot for letting this happen...

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

No, he's not being paid a single dime right now; not until the season starts (or a roster bonus comes along which I don't believe he's getting one).

The Dolphins paid him advance for this time. That's what signing bonuses are for.

[TroyF]

This is an area the NFLPA needs to address ad take some control. I have no issues if they don't want Culpepper, but I have major issues with them not allowing him on the field.

Culpepper tried to practice with the team the other day and was walked off the field by the head of security at the Dolphins complex. That's insane. This hurts Culpepper in a ton of ways.

He's with a team that's going to dump his ass. He's not geting any reps and this is a guy who BADLY needs reps. (I don't care what you think of the guy, he's spent the last 1 1/2 years dealing with a major injury and hasn't been able to play or practice a ton, he needs the reps)

If Culpepper had held out and said "release me, I'm never showing up," he'd be shredded by people and rightfully so. The team is acting horribly in this situation and I'm fairly certain that Culpepper will win with an arbitrator on this.

This is far different than a Terrell Owens or Keyshawn Johnson situation. They were suspended for bad behavior. The team is doing this to Culpepper so they don't have to pay him if he gets hurt at the facility. Sorry, that just doesn't fly with me. If you aren't going to allow him to participate with the team, release him or ship him before the mini camps start. Give him the chance to go to another team and learn their system.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

The Dolphins paid him advance for this time. That's what signing bonuses are for.

I agree wholeheartedly that the Dolphins can do this, and they earned it because of the signing bonus. My response was specifically aimed at DT wondering why Culpepper would want out instead of staying. I think it's a no brainer.

[larrymcg421]

So the Dolphins solution to fixing the previous regime's mistake of signing a QB coming off an injury who had a very weak season is to bring in an even older QB coming off an injury who had a very weak season. Love it!

I really hope this Beck kid can play.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

I agree wholeheartedly that the Dolphins can do this, and they earned it because of the signing bonus. My response was specifically aimed at DT wondering why Culpepper would want out instead of staying. I think it's a no brainer.

Culpepper isn't allowed to practice or workout with the team so its pretty obvious the Dolphins don't plan on keeping him. Its a matter of him getting into a training camp and being able to compete for a job somewhere.

Its clear the Dolphins won't be paying him, so why shouldn't he be looking ahead at his next job?

And I agree with Troy 100%, the NFLPA needs to do something about keeping guys that are on the roster out of camp for no reason other than the fact that they are exploring trade options.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Atocep

And I agree with Troy 100%, the NFLPA needs to do something about keeping guys that are on the roster out of camp for no reason other than the fact that they are exploring trade options.

So, if they let him come back to camp, he goes out and takes some team-managed reps with the second team, and then he just happens to blow out his knee again, essentially ending his career... now, instead of being a guy owed a fat salary that the team can just walk away from when they choose, he becomes a guy they need to "settle" with regarding his injury circumstance. If they have no plans for him to remain on the team, then they have nothing to gain, and potentially quite a lot to lose, by letting him engage in team-related activites. This is essentially the same circumstance we saw last year with Steve McNair and the Titans.

It may not be a great situation, but portraying the Dolphins' decision to exclude him from team activities as just being punitive isn't completely fair -- they are just reacting sensibly to the hand they're being dealt. Obviously, the best outcome for everyone is a prompt trade or release, but if Miami believes they can get something for him at some point, they're just looking out for themselves by exploring those options.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

So, if they let him come back to camp, he goes out and takes some team-managed reps with the second team, and then he just happens to blow out his knee again, essentially ending his career... now, instead of being a guy owed a fat salary that the team can just walk away from when they choose, he becomes a guy they need to "settle" with regarding his injury circumstance. If they have no plans for him to remain on the team, then they have nothing to gain, and potentially quite a lot to lose, by letting him engage in team-related activites. This is essentially the same circumstance we saw last year with Steve McNair and the Titans.

It may not be a great situation, but portraying the Dolphins' decision to exclude him from team activities as just being punitive isn't completely fair -- they are just reacting sensibly to the hand they're being dealt. Obviously, the best outcome for everyone is a prompt trade or release, but if Miami believes they can get something for him at some point, they're just looking out for themselves by exploring those options.

If its a situation where its a quick trade or release, then it is understandable. However, if its a long, drawn-out ordeal then, IMO, its enough of a detriment to the player that the NFLPA should step in. The Dolphins organization was quoted yesterday as saying the situation could very well last into training camp, which would keep Culpepper from competing for a job elsewhere and probably cost him quite a bit of money.

Its a touchy situation. I can see the Dolphins side and I understand what they're doing, but at the same time there needs to be a point where they need to either release him or allow him back with the team.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

So, if they let him come back to camp, he goes out and takes some team-managed reps with the second team, and then he just happens to blow out his knee again, essentially ending his career... now, instead of being a guy owed a fat salary that the team can just walk away from when they choose, he becomes a guy they need to "settle" with regarding his injury circumstance. If they have no plans for him to remain on the team, then they have nothing to gain, and potentially quite a lot to lose, by letting him engage in team-related activites. This is essentially the same circumstance we saw last year with Steve McNair and the Titans.

It may not be a great situation, but portraying the Dolphins' decision to exclude him from team activities as just being punitive isn't completely fair -- they are just reacting sensibly to the hand they're being dealt. Obviously, the best outcome for everyone is a prompt trade or release, but if Miami believes they can get something for him at some point, they're just looking out for themselves by exploring those options.

I'm not saying the Dolphins are wrong for not wanting him to get hurt, I'm saying they are wrong for hindering the players career because of their fear.

This is pretty simple realy. There needs to be a rule put in place that states the player is allowed to practice with the team or is traded/released before mini camps start. A team doing what the Dolphins/Titans have done would be releasing the player from his contract immediately by taking that action.

The Titans got their asses handed to them by an arbitrator last year and I fully expect the Dolphins to have the same thing happen to them this year. Let him practice with the team or say bye bye. It's not that hard to grasp. The NFL teams have plenty of power in how they handle players, it's ridiculous to me that they should be allowed to force players under contract who have no disciplinary issues to stay away from the team facility.

[nilodor]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Keep in mind that by trading him instead of releasing him, they can have a say in where he goes and prevent him from winding up in the division (Buffalo) or with a team on their schedule somewhere. Minor consideration, but not a non-factor I'd imagine.

I thought he has a no trade clause because I read somewhere that he would block any trade attempts. Besides his contract would be pretty tough to move.

[stevew]

I think he would possibly be in a better situation right now with an agent not named Daunte Culpepper. I think they might be a bit more likely to "play ball" if they had to deal with other players from the same agent.

[TroyF]

The way the guy has played the last few years, they'd WANT to trade him to a team they were playing.

This has nothing to do with his agent. This is simply about the Dolphins doing the right thing. You don't want him, let the guy go.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by TroyF

The way the guy has played the last few years, they'd WANT to trade him to a team they were playing.

This has nothing to do with his agent. This is simply about the Dolphins doing the right thing. You don't want him, let the guy go.

He had two bad years after one of the best years ever for a QB. So the solution is to replace him with a much older QB coming off his own bad season. I still don't get this.

[stevew]

Once they set him free, Daunte should just grab a clipboard, rehab his knee and get it back to 100% for next year. He'll be 31 next year, he could still have several more productive years. I think he'd be an ideal fit in Green Bay. The odds of him playing a snap next year would be quite small. But if you sign him to a one or two year deal, he'd be a nice option to have behind Favre if Favre ever retires.

[the_meanstrosity]

The Chiefs were never going to accept a 7th round pick from the Dolphins. In fact, the Dolphins themselves were offering a 6th for Trent. According to some sources near the teams both franchises had agreed on a trade before the draft until Miami balked thinking they could just wait until the Chiefs dropped Trent Green. I'll tell you right now that dropping Trent Green never entered KC's mind.

Do you expect Green to vocalize his disappointment with his soon to be new franchise? I don't know about you, but I think that would be pretty silly had Trent Green called out the Miami franchise knowing that it was his best option to start.

Trading Culpepper for a 7th is worthless. 7th round picks are roster fodder. So why they want Culpepper sitting around for a 7th is beyond me. If you're going to trade the guy, get something for him such as a 4th or 5th. A 7th round pick isn't worth the aggravation.

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Well I have never been a part of a MP league so I am not sure what the etiquette is, but as a Dolphin fan I have no problem with it. Like you said the Green deal was a game of chicken so both teams would seem to be at fault for dragging out the deal. I mean if the Chiefs would have just accepted a 7th round pick, the deal would have been done before the draft right? If I remember correctly Green was equally as pissed with the Chiefs as Culpepper is at the Dolphins. The Chiefs did not just let him go to make him happy. The Dolphins have told Culpepper that he will either be traded or released. He got upset.The team is investigating their trade options and if there are none (I don't believe anyone will trade for him either), then he will be released. It seems to me, that they are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing.