2Pac or Biggie

[Karlifornia]

It's time to see where FOFC stands on the biggest feud in the history of the world. The hutus and the tutsis? The Israelis and the Palestinians? The Irish and the Northern Irish? The Sunnis and the Shiites? Coke and Pepsi? Pontius Pilate and Jesus? Donald Trump and Rosie? Those are all dogshit compared to 2Pac and Biggie!


Choose your destiny!

[Neon_Chaos]

Tupac was, IMHO, someone who would have affected change in society had he lived past 30.

Biggie was a gifted rapper, but, unfortunately, nothing more.

[Schmidty]

Neither. Rap died in 1995.

RIP Human Beatbox.

[dj_morton]

Tupac's da man!

[Noop]

I liked Biggie I recently started listening to his music and he was pretty nice. Tupac while not as lyrical as Biggie had so much passion in his music like he was giving a speech to the masses. "White Man'z World" is so powerful on so many levels but people chose to think 2Pac was a ignorant black male when it just was not true. I think he used that thug image as bait to reel in the youth then hit them over the head with his truth and reality. "Who knowz what 2morrow brings?"

[BigDawg]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

It's time to see where FOFC stands on the biggest feud in the history of the world. The hutus and the tutsis? The Israelis and the Palestinians? The Irish and the Northern Irish? The Sunnis and the Shiites? Coke and Pepsi? Pontius Pilate and Jesus? Donald Trump and Rosie? Those are all dogshit compared to 2Pac and Biggie!


Choose your destiny!

Are you kidding me? theirs only 1 question that needs answered....

Sammy or DLR ?

[MikeVic]

I have to say 2Pac. Biggie was a good rapper and I liked his voice. But 2Pac seemed like more than just a rapper. Aren't there courses in the U.S. that study 2Pac's rap/poetry?

[MizzouRah]

Not.Even.Close


2Pac

[gkb]

2Pac...is he really dead? Does anyone have a list of the CDs he's released since his "death"? He's the most prolific ghost ever.

[st.cronin]

And you wonder why they call you bitch.

[Young Drachma]

Have you HEARD Biggie's rhymes? That dude tells stories like Sinatra, man.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Have you HEARD Biggie's rhymes? That dude tells stories like Sinatra, man.

I weep for the world when I hear Biggie Smalls compared to Frank.

Sigh.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Have you HEARD Biggie's rhymes? That dude tells stories like Sinatra, man.

Too bad it's hard to understand what he says.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Have you HEARD Biggie's rhymes? That dude tells stories like Sinatra, man.

Ducktales.

[DeToxRox]

Pac just fucked yo' bitch again, Biggie

[Lathum]

where's the trout option?

[Scoobz0202]

Brenda's got a Baby
Brenda's got a Baby

I hear Brenda's got a baby
But, Brenda's barely got a brain
A damn shame
Tha girl can hardly spell her name
(That's not our problem, that's up ta Brenda's family)
Well let me show ya how it affects tha whole community
Now Brenda never really knew her moms and her dad was a
junky
Went in death to his arms, it's sad
Cause I bet Brenda doesn't even know
Just cause your in tha ghetto doesn't mean ya can't grow
But oh, that's a thought, my own revelation
Do whatever it takes ta resist tha temptation
Brenda got herself a boyfriend
Her boyfriend was her cousin, now lets watch tha joy end
She tried to hide her pregnancy, from her family
Who didn't really care to see, or give a damn if she
Went out and had a church of kids
As long as when tha check came they got first dibs
Now Brendas belly is gettin bigger
But no one seems ta notice any change in her figure
She's 12 years old and she's having a baby
In love with tha molester, whos sexin her crazy
And yet she thinks that he'll be with her forever
And dreams of a world with tha two of them are together,
whatever
He left her and she had tha baby solo, she had it on tha
bathroom floor
And didn't know so, she didn't know, what ta throw away and
what ta keep
She wrapped tha baby up and threw him in tha trash heep
I guess she thought she'd get away
Wouldn't hear tha cries
She didn't realize
How much tha tha little baby had her eyes
Now tha babys in tha trash heep balling
Momma can't help her, but it hurts ta hear her calling
Brenda wants ta run away
Momma say, you makin' me lose pay, tha social workers here
everyday
Now Brenda's gotta make her own way
Can't go to her family, they won't let her stay
No money no babysitter, she couldn't keep a job
She tried ta sell crack, but end up getting robbed
So now what's next, there ain't nothin left ta sell
So she sees sex as a way of leavin hell
It's payin tha rent, so she really can't complain
Prostitute, found slain, and Brenda's her name, she's got a baby

Baaaaaaaaby

(don't you know she's got a baby)
(don't you know she's got a baby)
(don't you know she's got a baby)
(don't you know she's got a baby)
(don't you know she's got a baby)
(don't you know she's got a baby)

[Emiliano]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Tupac was, IMHO, someone who would have affected change in society had he lived past 30.

Ditto.

2Pac, forever.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I weep for the world when I hear Biggie Smalls compared to Frank.

Sigh.

I was going to write out a long rebuttal to this. But I decided I don't feel like dealing with this argument right now.

The bottom line is, unless you spend lots of time listening to music of all forms..and I'm talking LOTS of time...it's really hard to understand the commonality of the different genres and how they have far more in common than folks would want to realize.

And the main caveat to this argument is, I listened almost entirely to classical music until I was about 13 and didn't start to listen to hip-hop in earnest until about ten years after that. So it's not like I've grown up on this stuff, I've come it at really, really late. And it's taken a lot of understanding to get a point where I can appreciate music the way I do..and even with that, there is still a lot more to be discovered and appreciated.

To that end, the mixtape Blue Eyes meets Bed Stuy managed to fuse the two particular artists in question pretty well on a few tracks. The kid who did it was an amateur, but I imagine someone with more talent would've done even better.

But enough already. Back on 'topic'.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I was going to write out a long rebuttal to this. But I decided I don't feel like dealing with this argument right now.

The bottom line is, unless you spend lots of time listening to music of all forms..and I'm talking LOTS of time...it's really hard to understand the commonality of the different genres and how they have far more in common than folks would want to realize.

Now THAT'S comedy!

Just kidding, dude.

Carry on.

[Izulde]

I'm not only a client, I'm the Playa President.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Izulde

I'm not only a client, I'm the Playa President.

Which beach are you the president of?

[stevew]

Hit 'em up.


I like 2Pac's music better, but I think his hardcore fans are pretty annoying. BIG just sounded way too much like he had marbles in his mouth. Although he had some good jamz too.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Which beach are you the president of?

lmao

[cthomer5000]

I'm completely confident 2pac would have cured cancer, become president, and been the first man to walk on Mars if he was still alive.

[Neon_Chaos]

Heaven ain't hard to find, in fact, you can have it... just have faith, like a little kid still believin' in magic.

- Tupac Shakur, Heaven Ain't Hard To Find

[bbgunn]

Another one for 2pac. But I'll take either of them over the sh*t they call rap nowadays. If I hear "This Is Why I'm Hot" one more time, I'll puke.

[Groundhog]

I love it when folks talk/sing about faith, god, heaven, et al, and then go out and roll with gangs, shoot people, beat people up, and just generally act like all round ass-hats.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

I love it when folks talk/sing about faith, god, heaven, et al, and then go out and roll with gangs, shoot people, beat people up, and just generally act like all round ass-hats.

You mean like everyone else in the world?

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

You mean like everyone else in the world?

I've never beat anybody up, shot anybody, written songs about screwing somebody else's wife, or hung around with any gangs or underworld figures (knowingly), and if I did I wouldn't be going around saying "only god may judge me". I doubt I'm the only one.

[BigDawg]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I was going to write out a long rebuttal to this. But I decided I don't feel like dealing with this argument right now.

The bottom line is, unless you spend lots of time listening to music of all forms..and I'm talking LOTS of time...it's really hard to understand the commonality of the different genres and how they have far more in common than folks would want to realize.

And the main caveat to this argument is, I listened almost entirely to classical music until I was about 13 and didn't start to listen to hip-hop in earnest until about ten years after that. So it's not like I've grown up on this stuff, I've come it at really, really late. And it's taken a lot of understanding to get a point where I can appreciate music the way I do..and even with that, there is still a lot more to be discovered and appreciated.

To that end, the mixtape Blue Eyes meets Bed Stuy managed to fuse the two particular artists in question pretty well on a few tracks. The kid who did it was an amateur, but I imagine someone with more talent would've done even better.

But enough already. Back on 'topic'.

Here's my problem .... I associate MUSIC with people playing instruments producing cords and such. you RARELY find this in hip hop unless they are sampling other peoples songs, their so dam lazy they cant produce their own. Also sorry but a guy with his hand over his mouth doing beat box or scratching a needle on a record is also not music.

Now the lyrics might be pretty good, and their are some I like but I would put that in the category of poetry not music. their maybe some good music in the hip hop community but 99% of what is shown is usually a bunch of "thugs" singing about slapping their bitch or the 1000 variations of such. or some idiot like Snoop wandering around high as a kite mumbling something most cant understand ... makes you want to jam a sharp pencil in your ears. all this as they sample some 70's metal band's music in the background.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by BigDawg

Here's my problem .... I associate MUSIC with people playing instruments producing cords and such. you RARELY find this in hip hop unless they are sampling other peoples songs, their so dam lazy they cant produce their own. Also sorry but a guy with his hand over his mouth doing beat box or scratching a needle on a record is also not music.

Now the lyrics might be pretty good, and their are some I like but I would put that in the category of poetry not music. their maybe some good music in the hip hop community but 99% of what is shown is usually a bunch of "thugs" singing about slapping their bitch or the 1000 variations of such. or some idiot like Snoop wandering around high as a kite mumbling something most cant understand ... makes you want to jam a sharp pencil in your ears. all this as they sample some 70's metal band's music in the background.

I feel like I'm Ebeneezer Scrooge, and the Ghost of Rappin' Past just took me back to the great Rap debate of 1989. AIIIEEEE! Away from me spirit, I will have none of your infernal Cross Colours and British Knights!

[MizzouRah]

Anybody who voted for Biggie is going to get a cap in their azz.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Heaven ain't hard to find, in fact, you can have it... just have faith, like a little kid still believin' in magic.

- Tupac Shakur, Heaven Ain't Hard To Find

Huh? So he's basically saying that faith isn't real? I thought he was a fairly religious guy.

[Klinglerware]

Tough call, though I ended up voting for Biggie (because I liked his singles better, very pop-sounding).

Both seemed like pretty skillful lyricists, with Tupac wilfully injecting a bit more social commentary. I am also still very impressed that Tupac Amaru both shared his name with a Peruvian terrorist group and appeared in the "Humpty Dance" video. A true triple threat...

[Noop]

BigDawg............NO

That is all.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Noop

BigDawg............NO

That is all.

I don't think BigDawg asked a question.

[Neon_Chaos]

Thug Mansion.

I love Nas' acoustic rendition.

Every corner, every city
There's a place where life's a little easy
Little Hennessy, laid back and cool
Every hour, cause it's all good
Leave all the stress from the world outside
Every wrong done will be alright (I wanna go)
Nothin but peace (I wanna go) love (I wanna go nigga)
And street passion, every ghetto needs a thug mansion

[MIJB#19]

Where's the trout option? Especially in these kind of lesser of two evils debates, there has to be one. Hence, even American politics has a throw-your-vote-away option behind the Democrats and Republicans!