Bonds Ties Aaron

[JetsIn06]

He just tied for 755

[clintl]

And what surprises me is that the Padres fans gave him a standing ovation. Not a boo to be heard.

[mauchow]

'Bout damn time.

[Qrusher14242]

i couldnt even watch it live. Its blacked out here on DISH.

[KWhit]

Damn.

[johnnyshaka]

Odd to see him hit the pitch he hit out...high and outside and goes the other way. How many balls have you seen Bonds hit the other way in the last 5 years??

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by clintl

And what surprises me is that the Padres fans gave him a standing ovation. Not a boo to be heard.

Yea. It was such a weird feeling watching it. It was almost just....awkward. I remember when McGwire tied Maris I was goin crazy. Everyone was. And that was only a single season record.

This just felt weird...I don't know how to explain it.

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Odd to see him hit the pitch he hit out...high and outside and goes the other way. How many balls have you seen Bonds hit the other way in the last 5 years??

Yea. I have to watch again, but the announcers said that the pitch was a ball. And it definitely was weird seeing him hit it opposite field.

Did anyone see that he was doing batting practice HOURS before the game...and the announcers said he hasn't done that in forever

[clintl]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Odd to see him hit the pitch he hit out...high and outside and goes the other way. How many balls have you seen Bonds hit the other way in the last 5 years??

Actually, quite a few. He has hit a lot of his AT&T Park homers to left. He almost never hits ground balls the other way, but he does hit fly balls the other way.

[ISiddiqui]

Yay!

Hopefully 756 comes faster than 754 to 755.

[Senator]

This is the greatest moment ever.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Senator

This is the greatest moment ever.

I beg to differ.

How about this?

[cartman]

or this:

Another great moment

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Senator

This is the greatest moment ever.

No. The greatest moment ever was the time I first felt boob.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by cartman

I beg to differ.

As do I.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTev5pSuYLk

[Radii]

Originally Posted by cartman

or this:

Another great moment

hah! that is truly a great one.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by clintl

Actually, quite a few. He has hit a lot of his AT&T Park homers to left. He almost never hits ground balls the other way, but he does hit fly balls the other way.

Really?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerH...tegoryId=85852

[cartman]

Originally Posted by clintl

And what surprises me is that the Padres fans gave him a standing ovation. Not a boo to be heard.

Barry, they aren't booing, they are chanting "Joo-cer"

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by clintl

And what surprises me is that the Padres fans gave him a standing ovation. Not a boo to be heard.

I'm not sure why, but there are people out there who are Bonds fans. For obvious reasons, they are much more likely to buy tickets to these games than people who either dislike him or are just apathetic to the whole thing. I'm not a bit surprised he got cheered.

[spleen1015]

Whether he juiced or not, 756 will be historic.

[SteelerFan448]

I really didn't care. After all of this steroid involvement in MLB, I will view 61 and 755 as the big milestones.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan448

I really didn't care. After all of this steroid involvement in MLB, I will view 61 and 755 as the big milestones.

you are right.
And given all the medicinal benefits Ripken's streak should bee discounted as well.

Ripken took aver 80 cortisone shots in his career. Only available by perscription, luckily his team doc could script and shoot at the same time. Is it really different?

I dont care about Bonds either way, and I have a very twisteed view on the steroid issue, but I cant understand this mentality.

[Senator]

Originally Posted by cartman

I beg to differ.

How about this?

I was just being a smart ass. Don't care at all.

[dime]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

you are right.
And given all the medicinal benefits Ripken's streak should bee discounted as well.

Ripken took aver 80 cortisone shots in his career. Only available by perscription, luckily his team doc could script and shoot at the same time. Is it really different?

I dont care about Bonds either way, and I have a very twisteed view on the steroid issue, but I cant understand this mentality.

the difference is that cortisone shots aren't illegal, and any player can use them if he so chooses to. also, who gives a shit about ripken's "record"? the hype around that was such a joke.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Ripken took aver 80 cortisone shots in his career. Only available by perscription, luckily his team doc could script and shoot at the same time. Is it really different?

Yes. Extremely different. For one, people typically will get a cortisone shot from their doctor when they see him/her, and I'm guessing a team doctor is still a licensed doctor. It's not something that you get a perscription for and then get it from a pharmacy. So "script and shoot at the same time" is what all doctors do for their patients when they give a cortisone shot.

Secondly, they're not illegal.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by dime

the difference is that cortisone shots aren't illegal, and any player can use them if he so chooses to. also, who gives a shit about ripken's "record"? the hype around that was such a joke.

Well, if you care about the numbers, Gehrig's 2130 wasn't too far behind Ruth's 60 and 715 or Aaron's amphetamines boosted (*) 61 and 755.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Well, if you care about the numbers, Gehrig's 2130 wasn't too far behind Ruth's 60 and 715 or Aaron's amphetamines boosted (*) 61 and 755.

Aaron never hit 61.

Are you using illicit substances, too?

[ISiddiqui]

Add Maris in there after Aaron if it makes you feel better .

[sooner333]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Yay!

Hopefully 756 comes faster than 754 to 755.

Hopefully not much faster--I'm going to the Giants-Pirates game on Friday!

[stevew]

Assuming Bonds hangs it up after this year, we should have the Arod ties Bonds thread in about 2015.

It's a shame that Griffey had such a lousy decade, I'd much rather see him as the guy with the record than Bonds.

[Karlifornia]

BARRY BONDS, FUCK YEAH!

HERE TO HIT ANOTHER MOTHERFUCKIN' HOME RUN!

BARRY BONDS, FUCK YEAH!

HANK AARONS LAME ASS RECORD UNDONE!


Rooting for the anti-hero is more fun than I ever could have imagined!

[BigDawg]

What I find realy funny for all the BONDS haters is that the pitcher that gave up #755 last night has a POSITIVE TEST for steriods....

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[BigDawg]

Are you serious anyone that didn't know hell 10 years ago a BIG % of sport athletes were on the juice but now want to make a stink about it is a hypocrite. If you all are sooooooooo offended you would have refused to pay for a ticket to go watch TAINTED SPORTS... give me a break

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by BigDawg

What I find realy funny for all the BONDS haters is that the pitcher that gave up #755 last night has a POSITIVE TEST for steriods....

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

It really wasn't that funny the first time. There was no need to copy/paste it into another thread.

[PilotMan]

Bonds and baseball are both in the wrong on this one, but as a fan, and personal Barry hater, it should be clear where I stand on this one.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by BigDawg

Are you serious anyone that didn't know hell 10 years ago a BIG % of sport athletes were on the juice but now want to make a stink about it is a hypocrite. If you all are sooooooooo offended you would have refused to pay for a ticket to go watch TAINTED SPORTS... give me a break

This is the one arguement I can't stomach.

It's the FANS fault that Barry (or other players) used illegal substances to get records? Ummmm. . . no, it's not. That's the league's job, not ours.

I really don't care about this to be honest. We've known this was going to happen for awhile. I do blame baseball for the position they put themselves in. By overlooking a problem they will soon have their most sacred record tainted. Maybe they'll learn from this. Maybe they won't.


Honestly, I just want it over with. Hit your HR Barry. Get your name in the record books. End all of the Barry watches in the papers and on the net. Retire. The record is a number that will be judged by each baseball "fan" individually. Some will honor it, some will pretend it doesn't exist, some will tell their kids of the big headed steroid freak that broke Hammerin Hank's record, some will tell their kids of the Mvp's Bonds had before the juice talk. . .

No matter what any of our opinions are, that isn't going to change. What will change is getting baseball back to covering the four divisional races that are within 2.5 games and not spending 20 minutes a newscast on Barry. Please Barry, just hit the damned thing and be done with it. k. thx.

[terpkristin]

I think it's kind of sad, but it is what it is. we may always assume but never know who juiced when and may never know what types of drugs were done in the past.

i'm saddened that players these days seem to be playing for stats and money, not because they truly love the game. bonds only came back (repeatedly) to break this record, with or without a taint. clemens keeps coming back because he's a greedy pig. i compare this to cal's record, which some may say is tainted because he had cortisone injections (i disagree), where he loved the game, went on to play another 500 some odd games over the record, and is still active in the community, not some overpaid overhyped analyst for espn.

bonds was likely a HOF'er without the record, and it feels kind of cheap to me the way he's handled himself in tying it (and eventually making a new record). alas. what can you do.

/tk

[Galaril]

May the ghost of Ty Cobb haunt this cheating fucker. It isn't the fact that this guy used Roids guys like Sosa and others have as well. The real prob with Bonds is every indication is he is a fucking asshole. That is why he deserves to be booed. All I can say is we were hoping here in Boston he broke the record when he visited Boston. He would of got a real congratulatory cheer here Shame on you San Diego;(

[Carman Bulldog]

Can someone please explain to me what Bonds did that was so wrong?

THG (the designer drug in the BALCO investigations) was not banned by either the FDA or MLB (or any other anti-doping agency) until late 2003.

While, I am of the opinion that Bonds was on "the clear", he's not a stupid guy and probably quit using it when it became illegal.

Furthermore, their is no evidence to support otherwise. All of the BALCO allegations support that Bonds was on THG but that was before it became a banned substance. There is no evidence (and no allegations outside of fans and media) that support Bonds using any steroids since.

As for the matter of longevity, Hank Aaron's final big year was 1973 when at the start of the year he was 39 years, 2 months old. He hit 40 HR's and batted .300 that season. Bonds final big season came in 2004 when he was 39 years, 8 months old. Bonds longevity numbers are no more obscure than Aaron's, outside of 2001 where he hit 73, which could be attributed to THG, which was not a banned substance at that time.

THG does not make you swing quicker, hit harder, give you a better eye of the strike zone, etc. It allows an athlete to train harder for a longer period of time. You still have to do all of the work (actually in this case more work) with the only difference being that you are able to train more often because your body is recovering that much quicker.

While the theory (including my own) is that he did use THG, he never broke any federal or anti-doping regulations while doing so. Blaming the guy for this would be akin to cortisone becoming banned today and people calling for Ripken to be stripped of his record. The fact is that when the drug was used, it was not illegal.

As for the whole asshole thing, I believe that this is heavily perpetuated by the media and bought into by fans who dislike Bonds because they follow the mainstream media like sheep. The question needs to be asked, why is Bonds an asshole to the media? I know that if I was being constantly persecuted and facing allegations of wrong doing (when as pointed out earlier, nothing illegal was done), then I would probably be a bit of an asshole to this group as well.

By all accounts, outside of the odd instance (JT Snow or Jeff Kent - forget which one), Bonds has gotten along very well with teammates, managers, and fans in San Fransisco.

[spleen1015]

I think I heard once that Bonds' poor attitude towards the media stems from the media treating his father poorly or not respecting his father. Not sure if that is factual or not.

[clintl]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I think I heard once that Bonds' poor attitude towards the media stems from the media treating his father poorly or not respecting his father. Not sure if that is factual or not.

Yes, that's true. Bonds has been pretty open that he didn't feel the media treated his father well. I don't know if actually true or not that the media treated his father badly - I remember Bobby Bonds as a fan favorite who got mostly positive press when he was a Giant, but things may have changed after he got traded to the Yankees and had a nomadic career thereafter.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

Can someone please explain to me what Bonds did that was so wrong?

THG (the designer drug in the BALCO investigations) was not banned by either the FDA or MLB (or any other anti-doping agency) until late 2003.

While, I am of the opinion that Bonds was on "the clear", he's not a stupid guy and probably quit using it when it became illegal.

Furthermore, their is no evidence to support otherwise. All of the BALCO allegations support that Bonds was on THG but that was before it became a banned substance. There is no evidence (and no allegations outside of fans and media) that support Bonds using any steroids since.

Well, it's all settled then. He can just come out and say he never used after 2003 when it became illegal, so he never broke any rules, which makes it okay. Nah, he'll probably still stick to that assinine flaxseed oil story.

As for the matter of longevity, Hank Aaron's final big year was 1973 when at the start of the year he was 39 years, 2 months old. He hit 40 HR's and batted .300 that season. Bonds final big season came in 2004 when he was 39 years, 8 months old. Bonds longevity numbers are no more obscure than Aaron's, outside of 2001 where he hit 73, which could be attributed to THG, which was not a banned substance at that time.

Barry Bonds: 5 of his top 6 HR seasons come age 35 and later. Comparing his career arc to Hank Aaron's is pretty silly.

As for the whole asshole thing, I believe that this is heavily perpetuated by the media and bought into by fans who dislike Bonds because they follow the mainstream media like sheep.

I think people that support Bonds fuck their mothers. I mean, if we're just going to throw blanket insults around...

The question needs to be asked, why is Bonds an asshole to the media? I know that if I was being constantly persecuted and facing allegations of wrong doing (when as pointed out earlier, nothing illegal was done), then I would probably be a bit of an asshole to this group as well.

Except he's been a dick well before the steroid accusations came out. What was he being persecuted on back then, other than his pathetic postseason play?

[dime]

the "media was mean to my dad" line might be a nice excuse, but it's far from reality. bonds has always just been a very insecure, bitter person. he was hated by teammates and coaches at ASU, long before the media or fans or anyone else could have been blamed for souring him. the guy would watch the equipment kid cleaning up the locker room and then throw his sweaty jock on the floor and point it out "hey, pick this one up too" just to watch him walk over and do it. the coach and then-captain oddibe mcdowell all confronted him on different occassions about his behavior and attitude, but bonds has always felt entitled and too proud to listen to anyone else. a perfect example of talent gone wrong.

as for the folks who are uncertain as to whether or not he did steroids...are you serious? pull your head out of your ass. the guy looks like the elephant man for christ's sake. he was the best player in baseball and now he's a fat, slow freak with a distended stomach and a swollen skull. that is sad.

what's really sad is that the dissenters and rabble-rousers who delight in defending bonds won't give two shits about the inevitible early death from unnatural causes that is in his future. barry can go sit next to lyle alzado and eddie guerrero in the steroid overuse hall of fame.

[Bad-example]

Originally Posted by dime

what's really sad is that the dissenters and rabble-rousers who delight in defending bonds won't give two shits about the inevitible early death from unnatural causes that is in his future. barry can go sit next to lyle alzado and eddie guerrero in the steroid overuse hall of fame.

It is ridiculous to say that Barry's defenders wouldn't be upset if he were to have an untimely death that could possibly be blamed on steroid use. The truly sad thing is the haters that would laugh and celebrate should something like that come to pass.

[dime]

Originally Posted by Bad-example

It is ridiculous to say that Barry's defenders wouldn't be upset if he were to have an untimely death that could possibly be blamed on steroid use. The truly sad thing is the haters that would laugh and celebrate should something like that come to pass.

maybe I'm naive, but I can't imagine that any of "barry's defenders" actually give a shit about the guy. they like him because he plays for their favorite team, or because defending him makes them feel progressive or enlightened in some way. there is really nothing about him or what he's done that is worthy of defense, his defenders seem to be devil's advocates or horse's asses who would cheer stalin if he batted 4th for the giants.

in any event, it certainly isn't "ridiculous" to suggest that those mentioned above will have little to say when bonds faces the consequences of his shamelessly selfish pursuit of immortality. how ironic!

[Bad-example]

Originally Posted by dime

his defenders seem to be devil's advocates or horse's asses who would cheer stalin if he batted 4th for the giants.

Fuck you, too.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Well, it's all settled then. He can just come out and say he never used after 2003 when it became illegal, so he never broke any rules, which makes it okay. Nah, he'll probably still stick to that assinine flaxseed oil story.

Why should he? He's already been vilified enough. What purpose would it serve? "Aha, we were right all along. And if you did it before, you must have done it after."

The fact is that he did not do anything illegal so why should he have to admit to doing it.

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Barry Bonds: 5 of his top 6 HR seasons come age 35 and later. Comparing his career arc to Hank Aaron's is pretty silly.

Hmm... Aaron put up 203 homers from the five year stretch of 1969-1973. That was the most productive span of his career and that began when he turned 35 years old. I think drawing a career arc to Bonds is fairly safe.

1954 - 1958 = 140 (age 20-24)
1959 - 1963 = 202 (age 25-29)
1964 - 1968 = 168 (age 30-34)
1969 - 1973 = 203 (age 35-39)

Keep in mind that I have already conceded that Bonds used a performance enhancing drug, albeit one that was not illegal at the time it was used. What is Aaron's explanation for his resurgence? Keep in mind that Aaron had 550 more AB's between 64-68 than 69-73.

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I think people that support Bonds fuck their mothers. I mean, if we're just going to throw blanket insults around...

All I am saying is that I have not heard many arguments from people for their dislike of Bonds other than that which has been perpetuated (and shoved down people's throats) by the mainstream media. If you had a personal experience with Bonds where he treated you like shit, my apologies.

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Except he's been a dick well before the steroid accusations came out. What was he being persecuted on back then, other than his pathetic postseason play?

Has Barry always been arrogant? Yes, I'm sure he has, he's not the first athlete and won't be the last. And Barry has never liked talking to the media and for good reason as even back in the Pittsburgh days he was not comfortable with how his quotes were presented. However, the treatment he receives from the media would put O.J. and Tyson to shame. I'm not sure what he's done to be grouped with those guys.

As for being a Barry defender, I'm neither a Giant fan nor a Barry fan (nor do I feel progressive or enlightened in some way). Furthermore, I'm not sure if I could be classified as a Barry defender considering that I believe that he used THG. However, I'm also not one to simply jump on the media propelled "Hate Barry" bandwagon because hating Bonds is the cool thing to do these days. Want proof, talk to a casual sports fan or even a non-fan. While they know little about what else is going on in baseball, they could go on a rant about how evil Bonds is and why they hate him.

Furthermore, I won't be surprised if Barry dies at an early age just like I wasn't surprised when Walter Payton died young.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

The fact is that he did not do anything illegal so why should he have to admit to doing it.

You might want to rethink your word choice there.

Not outlawed by MLB rules != "legal."

MLB may not have policed their sport for steroid usage, but possession and usage without a prescription is absolutely a felony, which is another word for "illegal."

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

Why should he? He's already been vilified enough. What purpose would it serve? "Aha, we were right all along. And if you did it before, you must have done it after."

So he shouldn't tell the truth, because people already know the truth and have given him shit for lying about it?

[Rizon]

Worst. Thread. Ever.
(until the Bonds Hits 756 thread)