Hitting the hattrick transfer market

astralhaze · 03-03-2003, 03:34 AM

Hamas Mad Bombers team captain and starting forward Ricky Nash has been made expendable by stud youth pull Garrett Croft. He has been placed on the US transfer market at a starting cost of just $40,000. His player card is below.

Ricky Nash
53 000 US$, 26 years, passable form
Has weak experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: wretched

Alf · 03-03-2003, 04:03 AM

After getting my first decent youth pull (an inad keeper), I am sending Kasper Rank back into market (he gets 2 * stars every game he played for me).

Kasper Rank (8205235)
20 years, passable form, healthy

Goaltending : inadequate

selling price : $19,999

QuikSand · 03-03-2003, 08:11 AM

I have two players who are probably going to be placed onto the transfer list this afternoon:

Code:

August Sahlell (5938135)  19 years, passable form, healthy 

A controversial person who is calm and infamous.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.


Speciality: Technical
Nationality: 	Sverige 
Assessed value: 	62 000  US$ 
Wage: 	924 US$/week  including 20% Bonus 
Owner: 	Chesapeake Cheapshots 
Warnings: 	0 

Stamina:   	solid  	Goaltending:   	disastrous  
Playmaking:   	solid  	Passing:   	poor  
Winger:   	inadequate  	Defending:   	wretched  
Scoring:   	poor  	Set Pieces:   	wretched  

Career Goals:  	1  
Career Hattricks:  	0  
League goals this season:  	0  
Cup goals this season:  	0  

Menyhért Somlyódy (4698355)  29 years, solid form, healthy 

A controversial person who is calm and upright.
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities.
Nationality: 	Magyarország 
Assessed value: 	145 000  US$ 
Wage: 	1 716 US$/week  including 20% Bonus 
Owner: 	Chesapeake Cheapshots 
Warnings: 	0 

Stamina:   	excellent  	Goaltending:   	disastrous  
Playmaking:   	solid  	Passing:   	weak  
Winger:   	inadequate  	Defending:   	inadequate  
Scoring:   	weak  	Set Pieces:   	wretched  

Career Goals:  	8  
Career Hattricks:  	0  
League goals this season:  	0  
Cup goals this season:  	1

Anyone have thoughts on pricing? I’ve found that a “solid” rating in playmaking is frequently a sought-after commodity. Having two decent complementary skills (Somylyody’s two inads) is all the better.

While I’d like to keep these guys to play (especially the younger Sahlell), I realize that my team is in a transitional period, and I’m more about cash right now than my roster. So, if I can get a good sum for these guys, I’ll probably do so… try to turn a profit, and look again to “buy low.”

Any suggestions for asking prices for this pair?

HornedFrog Purple · 03-03-2003, 08:56 AM

August Sahlell I would start at no less than 120,000.

Menyhért Somlyódy I would start at his value of 145,000. The reason being his age is a red flag for a lot of buyers and after he ages to 30 or 31 he should start declining. I would take the most I could out of him. You might end up with 200k off him but that would be fortunate.

daedalus · 03-04-2003, 02:40 AM

I'm going to need to put a couple of players on the market soon to try to drag myself out of the muck that is DEEP debt.

Is there a day that is better or worse to put folks on the market? I mean, I know putting someone up on Saturday, generally isn't a good idea. Is there a particularly good day?

Also, do y'all know if selling during offseason hurts the final price any?

Easy Mac · 03-04-2003, 07:14 AM

Question to you hattrick guys.

My Forward scored 4 goals in my league win Sunday, but for some reason, he was listed as the worst player on my team for the game. No offense to the sim engine, but if a guy scores 4 goals in a game, he is not the worst player out there.

Anyone else had this happen to them, I was kind of suprised.

QuikSand · 03-04-2003, 10:54 AM

Here's a guy I'll have on the transfer list this afternoon - ending Friday afternoon. 19yo passable keeper, nice form, good leader... shoudl be a nice addition for someone looking for a new starter.

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Johnny Klee (8571493)  
19 years, passable form, healthy  

A pleasant guy who is tranquil and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities.

Nationality:  Schweiz  
Assessed value:  163 000  US$  
Wage:  1 656 US$/week  including 20% Bonus  
Owner:  Chesapeake Cheapshots  
Warnings:  0  


Stamina:    wretched   Goaltending:    passable   
Playmaking:    disastrous   Passing:    disastrous   
Winger:    disastrous   Defending:    disastrous   
Scoring:    disastrous   Set Pieces:    disastrous

DataKing · 03-04-2003, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Easy Mac
Question to you hattrick guys.

My Forward scored 4 goals in my league win Sunday, but for some reason, he was listed as the worst player on my team for the game. No offense to the sim engine, but if a guy scores 4 goals in a game, he is not the worst player out there.

Anyone else had this happen to them, I was kind of suprised.

The match engine determines the best and worst players for a team strictly by the number of stars they produce, and does not take into account goals scored and things like that. I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.

DataKing · 03-04-2003, 01:17 PM

Ruben Stewart

Listed As: Forward
Asking Price: $15,000
Bidding Ends: March 7th @ 1:14pm central

21 years old, poor form, healthy

A pleasant guy who is calm and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Specialty: Quick

Nationality: U.S.A.
Assessed Value: $40,000
Wage: $790/week
Warnings: 0

Stamina: Excellent
Playmaking: Weak
Winger: Weak
Scoring: Passable
Goaltending: Disastrous
Passing: Poor
Defending: Inadequate
Set Pieces: Passable

rkmsuf · 03-04-2003, 01:19 PM

"He's a pleasant fellow but a bit of a liar..."

TredWel · 03-04-2003, 03:35 PM

My team is balooning, and I'm looking to trim a little of the fat. I need some advice on pricing.

Renato Bustamante
25 years, inadequate form, healthy

A controversial person who is balanced and honest.
Has poor experience and solid leadership abilities.

Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 99 000 US$
Wage: 1 160 US$/week
Owner: Scranton Slime
Warnings: 0

Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: solid
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous

I'm fairly sure that $99K is way too much to expect from this player, but what about what range should I expect to get for this guy?

dacman · 03-04-2003, 03:45 PM

I personally wouldn't pay more than about 20K, but I'm no expert and you may find someone willing to pay more.

Vince · 03-04-2003, 04:14 PM

Ok, so I'm still pretty new, but right now I'm in the middle of a bidding war for a decent Inner Midfielder I like. First off, is he worth 45,000 US$?



Jeffrey Mensink (6018369) 

22 years, passable form, healthy  



A pleasant guy who is temperamental and upright.

Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities.



Nationality:  USA  

Assessed value:  89 000  US$  

Wage:  1 000 US$/week  

Owner:  Havoc  

Warnings:  0  





Stamina:         excellent      Goaltending:  disastrous   

Playmaking:    weak            Passing:        passable   

Winger:           inadequate  Defending:    inadequate   

Scoring:          poor             Set Pieces:    wretched

Second, do you guys usually avoid bidding wars completely, or do you stay in it for a while? I'm still trying to get a feel for the market, and I have no clue as of yet.

Edit: I suck at formatting

Katon · 03-04-2003, 04:32 PM

An inner midfielder with weak playmaking? That's not good. Is there a typo in there somewhere? I just signed an arguably better, younger player for around half that price.

DataKing · 03-04-2003, 04:56 PM

TredWel: I see that you've already listed Renato. I'm willing to bet you'll get more than $20,000 for him. Wingers aren't my expertise, but people are willing to pay for offensive wingers. If I had to guess, I'd say he'll fetch somewhere in the $30,000 to $50,000 range. But its always best to start the bidding too low, rather than too high.

Vince: Mensink is better as a winger than an inner midfielder, and I'm mildly surprised to see that he sold for $69,000. Unless he's going to be trained up as a winger, then too pricy, IMO.

The Afoci · 03-04-2003, 05:28 PM

I have 2 questions, how much should i try to sell this guy for:

José Ignacio Fernández
31 000 US$, 28 years, weak form
Has weak experience and solid leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: wretched
Winger: solid Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: weak

and i am in 7th place and am definately rebuilding, but should I sell my best player and if yes, how much?

Bruce Green
124 000 US$, 25 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: solid
Winger: solid Defending: weak
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: inadequate

Vince · 03-04-2003, 05:47 PM

Well, I'm still new and don't know how quickly training works, but I figure that if I'm training midfield (playmaking), that passing etc won't go up very quickly if at all. Because of that, I'm trying to get someone with a decent rating (inadequate or passable) in passing (read somewhere that that is #2 importance for inner mids) and perhaps lower in playmaking, which I'll train.

I dropped out of the bidding around 45,000, when someone else jumped in. What do typical 18-20 yo inner mids with inadequate playmaking go for? It seems to me that I'm going to have to pay around 40,000+ for them, just cruising the transfer wire.

daedalus · 03-04-2003, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vince
Well, I'm still new and don't know how quickly training works, but I figure that if I'm training midfield (playmaking), that passing etc won't go up very quickly if at all. Because of that, I'm trying to get someone with a decent rating (inadequate or passable) in passing (read somewhere that that is #2 importance for inner mids) and perhaps lower in playmaking, which I'll train.

The 22YO won't train up that fast. For a trainee, you'd want someone younger than 20.

Vince · 03-04-2003, 09:27 PM

Thanks for the tip daed...and I'm guessing guys younger than 20 are going to be more expensive, huh? Oh well...

EDIT: Man, I have so many Hattrick questions

Would posts on hattrick be better received (as in less annoying to non-hattrickers, not necessarily more answered) in the Dynasty forum?

McSweeny · 03-04-2003, 10:36 PM

maybe a seperate hattrick forum would be a good idea?

The Afoci · 03-05-2003, 11:11 AM

This guy is up for sale, current bidding is 124000:

Bruce Green
124 000 US$, 25 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: solid
Winger: solid Defending: weak
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: inadequate

QuikSand · 03-06-2003, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Menyhért Somlyódy I would start at his value of 145,000. The reason being his age is a red flag for a lot of buyers and after he ages to 30 or 31 he should start declining. I would take the most I could out of him. You might end up with 200k off him but that would be fortunate.

Just an update (from near the top of this thread) - I got my $200,00 asking price for Somlyody... yes! That's another net gain of about $39k, thankyouverymuch. Cohesion be damned!

Airhog · 03-06-2003, 08:27 PM

man your gonna have enough cash soon enough to build a great team.

QuikSand · 03-06-2003, 09:18 PM

I dunno... this is pretty slow going, honestly. I think I can build up another $200k or so before next season starts, and I'll be able to comfortably field a team that's much better skill-wise than what I started out with... but still not particularly good, really. I won't have any players with true market values over $200,000 - but in division V I guess that's not a big deal. My goal is pretty simple - use my speculating cash to get rolling with a better roster, then start (next season, presumably, though perhaps later) settling down and churning the team from the inside once my youth squad gets up to a quality level.

HornedFrog Purple · 03-07-2003, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
Just an update (from near the top of this thread) - I got my $200,00 asking price for Somlyody... yes! That's another net gain of about $39k, thankyouverymuch. Cohesion be damned!

Hehe I noticed that yesterday while looking around the transfer list. Is that what you set him at or did he get bid up to there? Seems the other kid did not sell though.

I am no market expert by any means but I do try and give a more conservative figure. That way if I look like an idiot...

damnMikeBrown · 03-07-2003, 12:39 PM

This is more of a PSA for any new guys. I've got a weak keeper, that's 1 week from inadequate. I can't train him, because I've got a solid & a passable I'm already training.

He's a 1.5star keeper as is, so a back-up at best, and 20yrs old. If anybody wants him, let me know, I'll list him for you. I don't want to dump him if nobody wants him. I figure, if one of my keepers gets hurt, I can just put him in for a week and bump him up.

Gah, anyway, 1.5* keeper, if a new guy wants a back-up for $1k

QuikSand · 03-07-2003, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Hehe I noticed that yesterday while looking around the transfer list. Is that what you set him at or did he get bid up to there? Seems the other kid did not sell though.

I am no market expert by any means but I do try and give a more conservative figure. That way if I look like an idiot...

I put his asking price at $200,000. I'm fairly aggressive with my asking price. I don't inspire many bidding wars, but if nobody will pay the price I want, then I don't want to sell. I'm in this to make money, not to be modest. Ahhh... the acrid smell of unbridled capitalism!

HornedFrog Purple · 03-07-2003, 01:33 PM

Thats interesting, I usually do the opposite which is I guess is a little more risky and play on the oneupmanship of others and rely on greed. I think that is what I like the most about this game is watching how different people use different ideas to achieve the same result, although currently I am in no financial position to play the market again for a bit.

03-03-2003, 08:56 AM	#4
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	August Sahlell I would start at no less than 120,000. Menyhért Somlyódy I would start at his value of 145,000. The reason being his age is a red flag for a lot of buyers and after he ages to 30 or 31 he should start declining. I would take the most I could out of him. You might end up with 200k off him but that would be fortunate. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

03-04-2003, 01:17 PM	#9
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	Ruben Stewart Listed As: Forward Asking Price: $15,000 Bidding Ends: March 7th @ 1:14pm central 21 years old, poor form, healthy A pleasant guy who is calm and dishonest. Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities. Specialty: Quick Nationality: U.S.A. Assessed Value: $40,000 Wage: $790/week Warnings: 0 Stamina: Excellent Playmaking: Weak Winger: Weak Scoring: Passable Goaltending: Disastrous Passing: Poor Defending: Inadequate Set Pieces: Passable __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

03-04-2003, 01:19 PM	#10
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	"He's a pleasant fellow but a bit of a liar..." __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

03-04-2003, 03:35 PM	#11
TredWel High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Old Forge, PA	My team is balooning, and I'm looking to trim a little of the fat. I need some advice on pricing. Renato Bustamante 25 years, inadequate form, healthy A controversial person who is balanced and honest. Has poor experience and solid leadership abilities. Nationality: USA Assessed value: 99 000 US$ Wage: 1 160 US$/week Owner: Scranton Slime Warnings: 0 Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: wretched Playmaking: poor Passing: solid Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous I'm fairly sure that $99K is way too much to expect from this player, but what about what range should I expect to get for this guy? __________________ There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people...religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin. - Linus Van Pelt

03-04-2003, 03:45 PM	#12
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	I personally wouldn't pay more than about 20K, but I'm no expert and you may find someone willing to pay more. __________________ No signatures allowed.

03-03-2003, 04:03 AM	#2
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	Alf Trickers selling backup keeper After getting my first decent youth pull (an inad keeper), I am sending Kasper Rank back into market (he gets 2 * stars every game he played for me). Kasper Rank (8205235) 20 years, passable form, healthy Goaltending : inadequate selling price : $19,999 __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats

03-04-2003, 02:40 AM	#5
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm going to need to put a couple of players on the market soon to try to drag myself out of the muck that is DEEP debt. Is there a day that is better or worse to put folks on the market? I mean, I know putting someone up on Saturday, generally isn't a good idea. Is there a particularly good day? Also, do y'all know if selling during offseason hurts the final price any?

03-04-2003, 07:14 AM	#6
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Question to you hattrick guys. My Forward scored 4 goals in my league win Sunday, but for some reason, he was listed as the worst player on my team for the game. No offense to the sim engine, but if a guy scores 4 goals in a game, he is not the worst player out there. Anyone else had this happen to them, I was kind of suprised.

03-04-2003, 04:14 PM	#13
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Bidding Wars Ok, so I'm still pretty new, but right now I'm in the middle of a bidding war for a decent Inner Midfielder I like. First off, is he worth 45,000 US$? Jeffrey Mensink (6018369) 22 years, passable form, healthy A pleasant guy who is temperamental and upright. Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities. Nationality: USA Assessed value: 89 000 US$ Wage: 1 000 US$/week Owner: Havoc Warnings: 0 Stamina: excellent Goaltending: disastrous Playmaking: weak Passing: passable Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate Scoring: poor Set Pieces: wretched Second, do you guys usually avoid bidding wars completely, or do you stay in it for a while? I'm still trying to get a feel for the market, and I have no clue as of yet. Edit: I suck at formatting __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com. Last edited by Vince : 03-04-2003 at 04:16 PM.

03-04-2003, 04:32 PM	#14
Katon College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Providence, RI	An inner midfielder with weak playmaking? That's not good. Is there a typo in there somewhere? I just signed an arguably better, younger player for around half that price.

03-04-2003, 04:56 PM	#15
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	TredWel: I see that you've already listed Renato. I'm willing to bet you'll get more than $20,000 for him. Wingers aren't my expertise, but people are willing to pay for offensive wingers. If I had to guess, I'd say he'll fetch somewhere in the $30,000 to $50,000 range. But its always best to start the bidding too low, rather than too high. Vince: Mensink is better as a winger than an inner midfielder, and I'm mildly surprised to see that he sold for $69,000. Unless he's going to be trained up as a winger, then too pricy, IMO. __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty) Last edited by DataKing : 03-04-2003 at 04:56 PM.

03-04-2003, 05:28 PM	#16
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	I have 2 questions, how much should i try to sell this guy for: José Ignacio Fernández 31 000 US$, 28 years, weak form Has weak experience and solid leadership abilities Stamina: wretched Keeper: wretched Playmaking: wretched Passing: wretched Winger: solid Defending: weak Scoring: passable Set Pieces: weak and i am in 7th place and am definately rebuilding, but should I sell my best player and if yes, how much? Bruce Green 124 000 US$, 25 years, inadequate form Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous Playmaking: disastrous Passing: solid Winger: solid Defending: weak Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: inadequate __________________ I had something.

03-04-2003, 05:47 PM	#17
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Well, I'm still new and don't know how quickly training works, but I figure that if I'm training midfield (playmaking), that passing etc won't go up very quickly if at all. Because of that, I'm trying to get someone with a decent rating (inadequate or passable) in passing (read somewhere that that is #2 importance for inner mids) and perhaps lower in playmaking, which I'll train. I dropped out of the bidding around 45,000, when someone else jumped in. What do typical 18-20 yo inner mids with inadequate playmaking go for? It seems to me that I'm going to have to pay around 40,000+ for them, just cruising the transfer wire. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

03-04-2003, 09:27 PM	#19
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Thanks for the tip daed...and I'm guessing guys younger than 20 are going to be more expensive, huh? Oh well... EDIT: Man, I have so many Hattrick questions Would posts on hattrick be better received (as in less annoying to non-hattrickers, not necessarily more answered) in the Dynasty forum? __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com. Last edited by Vince : 03-04-2003 at 09:32 PM.

03-04-2003, 10:36 PM	#20
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	maybe a seperate hattrick forum would be a good idea?

03-05-2003, 11:11 AM	#21
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	This guy is up for sale, current bidding is 124000: Bruce Green 124 000 US$, 25 years, inadequate form Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous Playmaking: disastrous Passing: solid Winger: solid Defending: weak Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: inadequate __________________ I had something.

03-06-2003, 08:27 PM	#23
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	man your gonna have enough cash soon enough to build a great team. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

03-06-2003, 09:18 PM	#24
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I dunno... this is pretty slow going, honestly. I think I can build up another $200k or so before next season starts, and I'll be able to comfortably field a team that's much better skill-wise than what I started out with... but still not particularly good, really. I won't have any players with true market values over $200,000 - but in division V I guess that's not a big deal. My goal is pretty simple - use my speculating cash to get rolling with a better roster, then start (next season, presumably, though perhaps later) settling down and churning the team from the inside once my youth squad gets up to a quality level.

03-07-2003, 12:39 PM	#26
damnMikeBrown College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cincinnati, OH	This is more of a PSA for any new guys. I've got a weak keeper, that's 1 week from inadequate. I can't train him, because I've got a solid & a passable I'm already training. He's a 1.5star keeper as is, so a back-up at best, and 20yrs old. If anybody wants him, let me know, I'll list him for you. I don't want to dump him if nobody wants him. I figure, if one of my keepers gets hurt, I can just put him in for a week and bump him up. Gah, anyway, 1.5* keeper, if a new guy wants a back-up for $1k

03-07-2003, 01:33 PM	#28
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Thats interesting, I usually do the opposite which is I guess is a little more risky and play on the oneupmanship of others and rely on greed. I think that is what I like the most about this game is watching how different people use different ideas to achieve the same result, although currently I am in no financial position to play the market again for a bit. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

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