Official Miami Dolphins Draft Thread

[DolphinFan1]

Well, it's clear my Dolphins will have a tough time winning one game let alone losing the top pick in the draft. That begs the question, what to do with that pick?

We used our 1st rounder on WR Ginn last year. Jury is out on whether he will be a #1 receiver.

We picked up Beck as a potential QB of the future.

We are set at RB.

Do we draft defense, trade down or something else?

I hear that the Dolphins may trade Taylor at the end of the year for another draft pick. That could be a good move.

If we get the #1 pick, I think we trade down since it's clear they are building for the future with the trading of Chambers.

Thoughts Dolphins Fans?

[Kodos]

Until we get a new Owner-GM-Coach, why even bother thinking about the team improving?

[MizzouRah]

The Rams will have the first draft pick.

[Warhammer]

The Dolphins will draft Michael Bush because he comes from a good family.

EDIT: The Rams better draft an OL stud. That or a stud WR to replace Holt/Bruce.

[bhlloy]

Not a Dolphins fan, but Glenn Dorsey or Sed Ellis could be worth the #1 overall pick, and would seem to be a nice fit. Other than that... trade down and try to get a linebacker to replace Thomas and another mid-first rounder?

Like you say, doubtful that they pick up a WR or QB two years running (although Ginn is never going to be a WR and I don't see Beck panning out)

[albionmoonlight]

Rightly or wrongly, I think that they have to stick with Beck as the QB of the future.

[duckman]

I think they should draft a WR with return skills. It worked out good for them this year. Oh wait!......

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by DolphinFan1

We used our 1st rounder on WR Ginn last year. Jury is out on whether he will be a #1 receiver.

I'm not so sure the jury is out. In fact, I'm sure the jury came back pretty darn quickly and said that Ginn is barely a #3 receiver, if that.

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I'm not so sure the jury is out. In fact, I'm sure the jury came back pretty darn quickly and said that Ginn is barely a #3 receiver, if that.

I can't believe people are still ripping Ginn give him a break. He came out a year early, so you have to give him some time to adjust to the NFL before any jury can say he is nothing better than a #3. He has done pretty good on punts and kicks (had one called back) and now is gonna see some more time at WR with Chambers gone. He is avg. 20 yards a catch and teams will have to respect his speed.

Also remember WR's usually take a year or two to make and impact, and Ginn only has 3 years of collge football, not all of it at WR.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

I can't believe people are still ripping Ginn give him a break. He came out a year early, so you have to give him some time to adjust to the NFL before any jury can say he is nothing better than a #3. He has done pretty good on punts and kicks (had one called back) and now is gonna see some more time at WR with Chambers gone. He is avg. 20 yards a catch and teams will have to respect his speed.

Also remember WR's usually take a year or two to make and impact, and Ginn only has 3 years of pro ball, not all of it at WR.

LOL

[Desnudo]

It's also not like Cleo Lemon is all world throwing him the ball

[JPhillips]

The top pick is too early, but Laurinaitis would look good as a replacement for Zach Thomas.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

He is avg. 20 yards a catch and teams will have to respect his speed.

Yep, I would be real worried about his 14 catches (on pace for) this season.

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by duckman

Yep, I would be real worried about his 14 catches (on pace for) this season.

Are you kidding. Chad Johnson had 12 catches and 148 yards his 1st 10 games, luckily the Bengals held on to him.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

LOL

To be fair, tOSU probably only paid him while they were recruiting him, so he has likely only had two years of being a paid, professional football player.

[Noop]

Please draft a franchise QB. If Beck is good then we can trade him for picks but we need a franchise QB. That being said the Dolphins will draft McFadden or someone else we do not need.

[Kodos]

I bet they take a kicker to solidify themselves as having the best kick/return game in South Florida.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Noop

Please draft a franchise QB. If Beck is good then we can trade him for picks but we need a franchise QB. That being said the Dolphins will draft McFadden or someone else we do not need.

We'll need McFadden after Cameron trades Ronnie Brown for a 2nd round pick.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

We'll need McFadden after Cameron trades Ronnie Brown for a 2nd round pick and a 7th round pick.

Let's be fair and include the 7th that they got. They now have a real shot at getting Mr. Irrelevant.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

We'll need McFadden after Cameron trades Ronnie Brown for a 2nd round pick.

I hope not. We need a franchise QB.

[MikeVic]

Isn't Brown being scanned for a tonr ACL...?

[Noop]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Isn't Brown being scanned for a tonr ACL...?

He is done for the season however we can find a good running back in the 2nd and 3rd round(If we still have those picks).... we need a franchise QB. If I was drafting i would go as follows

1. Best QB
2. OL
3. OL
4. RB
5. MLB
6. Defense
7. Defense

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

The Dolphins will draft Michael Bush because he comes from a good family.

EDIT: The Rams better draft an OL stud. That or a stud WR to replace Holt/Bruce.

We DEFINIETLY need a stud OL. I mean, I guess Bulger wouldn't mind sitting on his ass 7 times a game again next year.

[JAG]

I agree that the Dolphins should go QB, assuming they play Beck this season (why they haven't yet is beyond me) and don't see much to encourage them. Their defense could really use some young blood though, so if there was an utter stud, it would be hard to pass him up...but really they need a lot of defensive draft picks to fix themselves up.

[Qwikshot]

Should have depth at runningback with Ricky Williams coming back...(chortle)

[bhlloy]

What happened to Alex Barron?

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

What happened to Alex Barron?

To put nicely.... he sucks.

[vex]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

I can't believe people are still ripping Ginn give him a break. He came out a year early, so you have to give him some time to adjust to the NFL

AD is doing ok.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

I can't believe people are still ripping Ginn give him a break. He came out a year early, so you have to give him some time to adjust to the NFL before any jury can say he is nothing better than a #3. He has done pretty good on punts and kicks (had one called back) and now is gonna see some more time at WR with Chambers gone. He is avg. 20 yards a catch and teams will have to respect his speed.

Also remember WR's usually take a year or two to make and impact, and Ginn only has 3 years of pro ball, not all of it at WR.

I'm picking on his because he's a pretty easy target.

Well, he's an easy target unless you're trying to throw a football to him, I guess.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I'm picking on his because he's a pretty easy target.

Well, he's an easy target unless you're trying to throw a football to him, I guess.

[DeToxRox]

Dolphins will get my man Jake Long #1

[Big Fo]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

Ginn only has 3 years of pro ball.

Any of those top NFL prospect lists knocking about or is it too early in the season? I began thinking about that #1 pick a few weeks ago but have no idea what kind of guys look like top 5-10 picks.

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I'm picking on his because he's a pretty easy target.

Well, he's an easy target unless you're trying to throw a football to him, I guess.

Your picking on a guy that has played 7 pro games, after 3 years of college WR, while being a CB and world class track star in highschool.

If you want some guys to pick these guys have been trying to play WR the last 2 years, yet have recieved half the crap Ginn has.

1.7 Troy Willimson, Vikings
1.10 Mike Williams, Lions
1.21 Matt Jones, Jags
1.22 Mark Clayton, Ravens
1.25 Roddy, White

These guys have been trying for 2.5 years now.

[Big Fo]

I'll always remember the Mike Williams hype from Mel Kiper during the run up to the draft, great stuff.

[vex]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

Your picking on a guy that has played 7 pro games, after 3 years of college WR, while being a CB and world class track star in highschool.

If you want some guys to pick these guys have been trying to play WR the last 2 years, yet have recieved half the crap Ginn has.

1.7 Troy Willimson, Vikings
1.10 Mike Williams, Lions
1.21 Matt Jones, Jags
1.22 Mark Clayton, Ravens
1.25 Roddy, White

These guys have been trying for 2.5 years now.

Guess you didn't actually watch Mark Clayton last year?

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by vex

Guess you didn't actually watch Mark Clayton last year?

You mean this Mark Clayton.

2007 Stats

Mark Clayton: 18 catches, 153 yards, 0 TD's
Ted Ginn Jr: 7 catches, 140 yards, 0 TD's

Sure I saw Mark Clayton last year. He did pretty well for his 2nd year. I do remember plenty of people ripping him after a slow start his 1st year, which in my mind was out of line because playing WR in the NFL is much different than college. Point is give guys a break, if in a couple of years Ginn is just returning kicks fine, till then back off.

[Galaxy]

As a Bills fan, I'm glad we aren't the worst team in the division.

However, I think Brown can be a great back if he has the support around him.

Why would Miami take a franchise QB before seeing what Beck has? Will Brohm, Ryan, Henne, or whoever is coming out, be worthy of that top five selection and have that ability to be a franchise quarterback?

Plus, what good would a rookie QB do if you don't have a line to protect him or give Brown the chances to take the running game to that next level.

However, it looks like the defensive talent is where the draft shines.

[vex]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

You mean this Mark Clayton.

2007 Stats

Mark Clayton: 18 catches, 153 yards, 0 TD's
Ted Ginn Jr: 7 catches, 140 yards, 0 TD's

Sure I saw Mark Clayton last year. He did pretty well for his 2nd year. I do remember plenty of people ripping him after a slow start his 1st year, which in my mind was out of line because playing WR in the NFL is much different than college. Point is give guys a break, if in a couple of years Ginn is just returning kicks fine, till then back off.

He's been injured this season.

[larrymcg421]

We could definitely use Mark Clayton, circa 1984.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

Your picking on a guy that has played 7 pro games, after 3 years of college WR, while being a CB and world class track star in highschool.

If you want some guys to pick these guys have been trying to play WR the last 2 years, yet have recieved half the crap Ginn has.

1.7 Troy Willimson, Vikings
1.10 Mike Williams, Lions
1.21 Matt Jones, Jags
1.22 Mark Clayton, Ravens
1.25 Roddy, White

These guys have been trying for 2.5 years now.

There's no fun in picking on Troy Williamson, because if you think about the Vikings, you're going to think of one particular player who's tearing up the league right now.

The only fun in picking on Mike Williams is that he was one of the eight million wide receivers who got drafted by Detroit in the first round. Well, he's not in Detroit anymore, so there goes that.

Matt Jones is fine for the 21st pick, particularly considering that he was converted from quarterback to wide receiver, and he ended up playing for a team that doesn't throw terribly often.

Mark Clayton is fine for the 22nd pick. Once the Ravens got a real quarterback, Clayton's numbers improved.

Roddy White is a joke, but at least he wasn't the 9th pick.

The bottom line, though, is that there's a perception out there that Ted Ginn was a flashy college player whose only real NFL value is on special teams. Whether that's true or not, we don't know yet, but like I already said, he's an easy target. If I'm going to make a joke about somebody in a Dolphins thread, who am I supposed to pick on? Rex Hadnot? I was just making a joke, man.

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

The bottom line, though, is that there's a perception out there that Ted Ginn was a flashy college player whose only real NFL value is on special teams. Whether that's true or not, we don't know yet, but like I already said, he's an easy target. If I'm going to make a joke about somebody in a Dolphins thread, who am I supposed to pick on? Rex Hadnot? I was just making a joke, man.

As a Dolphins fan I am having an easy time blaming our troubles on Joey Porter. What an awful signing that was. I also heard the Phins are interested in signing Troy Brown to play some CB.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

As a Dolphins fan I am having an easy time blaming our troubles on Joey Porter. What an awful signing that was. I also heard the Phins are interested in signing Troy Brown to play some CB.

Troy Brown? They still make that?

[dime]

ginn didn't do anything outside of kick returns until his last year at OSU, when he became the #2 WR on that team. gonzalez is going to be a better pro. already is.

miami essentially took dante hall with the #10 pick in the draft. I haven't seen anyone try to defend ginn before, it is amusing.

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by dime

ginn didn't do anything outside of kick returns until his last year at OSU, when he became the #2 WR on that team. gonzalez is going to be a better pro. already is.

miami essentially took dante hall with the #10 pick in the draft. I haven't seen anyone try to defend ginn before, it is amusing.

Ginn started all of 2005 at WR and had 51 catches, 803 yards, 4 TD's, and was Honorable Mention All-Big Ten Team.

People have the worst perception of Ginn, because most people thought Miami should have taken Brady Quinn. Many people reported after the draft that had Ginn not gone to the Dolphins at 9, the Texans were ready to take him at 11. Quinn on the other hand is saved by the Browns at #23.

Gonzalez couldn't even get better stats at OSU than Ted Ginn, while Ginn was learning WR and doing all the kicks.

OSU Stats

Gonzalez: 81 catches, 1225 yards, 12 TD's
Ginn: 125 catches, 1943 yards, 15 TD's

[vex]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

Ginn started all of 2005 at WR and had 51 catches, 803 yards, 4 TD's, and was Honorable Mention All-Big Ten Team.

People have the worst perception of Ginn, because most people thought Miami should have taken Brady Quinn. Many people reported after the draft that had Ginn not gone to the Dolphins at 9, the Texans were ready to take him at 11. Quinn on the other hand is saved by the Browns at #23.

Gonzalez couldn't even get better stats at OSU than Ted Ginn, while Ginn was learning WR and doing all the kicks.

OSU Stats

Gonzalez: 81 catches, 1225 yards, 12 TD's
Ginn: 125 catches, 1943 yards, 15 TD's

Yes, because we all know that the Texans are who we should be doing draft comparisons with.

[Rizon]

I think we should trade our 2nd round picks for backup quarterbacks.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

Ginn started all of 2005 at WR and had 51 catches, 803 yards, 4 TD's, and was Honorable Mention All-Big Ten Team.

People have the worst perception of Ginn, because most people thought Miami should have taken Brady Quinn. Many people reported after the draft that had Ginn not gone to the Dolphins at 9, the Texans were ready to take him at 11. Quinn on the other hand is saved by the Browns at #23.

Gonzalez couldn't even get better stats at OSU than Ted Ginn, while Ginn was learning WR and doing all the kicks.

OSU Stats

Gonzalez: 81 catches, 1225 yards, 12 TD's
Ginn: 125 catches, 1943 yards, 15 TD's

And there has never been a succesful college WR who didn't make it in the pro's? Ginn is basically a very small WR who has world-class straight line speed and almost no receiver skills. In college he just ran straight past people and received screen passes. I seem to remember reading somewhere that he only ever ran 3 routes, but I could be wrong.

Now, coaching can definitely teach good route running, but I don't really think it can teach good hands and it definitely can't give you an extra 4 inches and 40 pounds.

We can either have an intelligent discussion about Ginn's shortcomings and how exactly you think he is going to overcome them, or you can just keep pointing to really irrelevant statistics and anecdotes about how Ginn still "could" be really good and crying about nobody giving him a chance.

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

We can either have an intelligent discussion about Ginn's shortcomings and how exactly you think he is going to overcome them, or you can just keep pointing to really irrelevant statistics and anecdotes about how Ginn still "could" be really good and crying about nobody giving him a chance.

Ok sure. What are Ginn's shortcomings.

He is too short: He stands 5'11 180, Steve Smith does ok at 5-9.

He isn't fast enough: He was the 2 time national chamption in the 110m high hurdles in highschool. Unoffically timed at 4.31 in the 40. Nobody doubts his speed.

He didn't get it done in college: Left after his junior year when he was 1st team all Big-Ten. Ginn finished his career at Ohio State with 125 receptions for 1,943 yards and 15 touchdowns in 37 games. He also rushed for 213 yards, returned 38 kickoffs for 1,012 yards, and gained a Big Ten record 900 yards on 64 punt returns. Overall, he gained 4,068 total yards and scored 26 touchdowns.

He doesn't have "big play ability": Ask Penn State, Michigan, or Michigan State fans how many times Ginn burned them.

His success at college won't translate to the NFL: Nobody knows the answer to this, but he has set himself him very well. His hands aren't anything special, plus he's not known for being a surgical route runner. Ginn didn't play much WR in highschool and was Parade All-American at DB. He should improve his hands and routes with more time. On the other hand, Ginn made his name by outrunning guys in coverage, or simply running past or around them after making the catch. This is stuff you can't teach you either have it or your don't. In special teams his game-changing impact is worthy of special consideration, everyone saw that the opening playing of the National Champion Game.

The Dolphins shouldn't have take Ginn #9: The Dolphins with a new offensive coach were looking for a playmaker on the offense. They were set at RB, and like some other teams were not set on taking Brady Quinn that high, knowing they had there eye on John Beck in the 2nd round. Both premium tackles are off the board as is Laron Landry. Dolphins looked hard at Okoye but has plenty of young players at DT at draft time. After Ginn was selected the only other offense player taken before Quinn at 23 was Lynch at 12.

So if your looking for a playmaker on offense and have ruled out Quinn at 9, you are left with Ginn, Bowe, Meachem, Davis, and Gonzalez.

[Kodos]

Face it. He sucks, and it was a terrible pick. He can't hold Wes Welker's jock.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

Ok sure. What are Ginn's shortcomings.

Did you even read my post? Again, his (major) shortcomings are that he's too small (not just short, he's flat out skinny in NFL terms), he doesn't have anywhere close to NFL hands and he doesn't run good routes. The only thing he has going for him right now is world class straight line speed, which doesn't usually translate into being a great NFL receiver.

As for Steve Smith, the guy arguably runs the best routes in the NFL and has unbelievable hands. Two things that Ginn doesn't have (right now - as I mentioned above I don't think you can coach a player to have great hands but they can work on his route running). At 5'9 and 185 Smith also has a much bigger frame than Ginn.

And yes, they should have taken Bowe at #9 if they were set on receiver. Guy is big, runs good routes, has soft hands and is everything you want in an NFL wideout.

IF Ginn turns out to be everything the Dolphins hope he can be, he'll be a decent slot receiver and a good/great kick returner. And you picked him at #9.