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Hattrick Help- Louisiana Cyclones...
I am starting a new thread as to not thread jack Rich's thread (sorry about that) here are the posts from the other thread
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I have my lineup set, but as you mentioned there is quite a lack of talent, what are some key positions you would suggest to go after; and what would you say the minimum rating in the key rating should be? I already have my youth squad up to $20,000 a week- so that is taken care of. But what should I do about training, right now I just have it set to stamina, should I go with general training or try and maybe go after a certain position group on my team. Is a stadium upgrade a good idea to do already or should I wait until I have a good roster in place? Another thing I just noticed was every team in my series is a new owner (got their team around the same time I did), so we should all be 'new-bs' so any help that would give me that little advantage over them would really help.....I guess those are all my questions for right now...if anyone notices something else about my team, or something I need to do please feel free to help... Thanks, -Doug Last edited by Doug5984 : 03-06-2003 at 03:51 PM. |
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03-07-2003, 10:56 AM
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Allrighty. I've looked over your roster and I've noticed a few things.
1. You have a passable coach. Keep him. Passable coaches are the second best type in the game, and solid coaches can be very expensive to find, unless you get lucky. 2. You need a passable keeper, and should be able to find one in the $150,000 range if you are patient on the transfer market. Unless you plan to train keeper, don't concern yourself too much with his age. A player in their mid-20's should do just fine. 3. The other glaring need that I see is at wingback. I only noticed one natural wingback on your roster (Stubblefield - passable winger/inadequate defender). You have a number of guys with OK defensive skills, but none of them can play on the wing. For a starter, I'd recommend at least inadequate winger skill and passable defending. 4. Stamina training is a good idea, but be wary of doing it for more than a week at a time. Stamina training can do damage to your team's form. Also, the off-season is a very good time for stamina training, since players do not need to play in a match in order to receive the training. 5. You've got quite a lot of youth on your team, particularly on defense (with the exception of Prince and Rowell) and at forward (excluding Bergeron and Matas). You'll probably want to concentrate on one of these two areas for your training efforts, and that will determine the formations you will most likely want to use. Whichever one you choose to train, you can probably sell off some of your youth at the other area, unless you plan to alternate between the two (not recommended). 6. Fire Moore, and see if you can get someone to buy Arnold and Matson from you. I don't see these guys having a future, but I could be wrong. 7. I think you can hold off on upgrading your stadium for a little while. Once you get into the 600-700 supporter range, then consider improving it. A couple of notes regarding stadiums. a. There is a $30,000 base cost for stadium expansion, even if you only add one seat, so it is more efficient to do stadium expansions in large "chunks" (at least 5,000 seats at a time, IMO). b. Do not go beyond 20x the number of supporters you have. c. The "magic ratio" for stadium seat types is as follows: 62.5% terrace, 25% basic, 10% under roof, 2.5% VIP. This is the most efficient as far as generating revenue. I hope this helps.
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03-07-2003, 11:13 AM
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Hey no problem at all. Good luck with your team.
Im no expert, but looking over you roster I did notice that, as DataKing already stated, you are weak at Wing back. I would try to pick up a winger with passable defending first. |
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03-07-2003, 11:17 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Couple o' tidbits:
I got my 20-yo passable keeper for $105,000. I've seen a few go in the $100-120,000 range in the last week or so. I personally would shoot for $100,000 on that and save the other $50 grand for a wingback. You might try to find a passable/passable wingback (that's passable winger, passable defense). They go for about $50-$80K (I know, I'm looking for one myself). Shoot for at least inadaquate ratings in the key skills for each position for everyone on the 1st team. Sell/fire everyone who doesn't have that once you get replacements. I have found that it doesn't take long to find lots of 17-19yo guys with inad. "key" ratings for cheap. Check other markets -- **cough**Sweden**cough**cough** Key skills, IMHO (Parentheses mean slightly less important) Keeper: Goaltending Wingback: Winger, Defending, (Stamina) Cen. Defense: Defending, (Stamina) Winger: Winger, Stamina, (Playmaking) (Passing) Inner Mid.: Playmaking, Stamina, (Passing) Forward: Scoring, (Passing), (Stamina) Decide what skill to train and stick with it -- with a little general and stamina training sprinkled in. You look set to train defenders. If you do go that route, start using the 5-4-1 formation in friendlies and get your B-team filled with 17-19 YO inad. defenders (and your A-team for that matter). Once 5-4-1 goes solid, use it all the time.
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03-07-2003, 11:24 AM
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This is a dumb question, but how do you check other markets, everytime I switch the place of birth it just checks the us market for players from the country.
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03-07-2003, 11:35 AM
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Choose another country in the little selectbox towards the upper left corner. Then on the menu below, click transfers below the new country's name.
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03-07-2003, 01:05 PM
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Actually I was trying to figure out the same thing. Thanks |
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03-07-2003, 02:15 PM
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Thanks for all the help guys, I was able to find a few passable keepers with the bidding ending shortly...I will update you guys if i get one of these...
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03-07-2003, 02:31 PM
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Bah, dacman.. Why'd ya have to go and tell them that? Now I'm going to have competition for all my hidden gems found in Magyarorszag and Hrvatska.
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03-07-2003, 02:35 PM
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dacman- i would like to thank you so much for telling me that little secret, i can't believe how many more players there are to choose from now...its amazing...  also there were a bunch of passable keepers in sweden, just none at a good price. |
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03-07-2003, 02:48 PM
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i just got my keeper for $85,000....I really liked this guy because of his passasble form, and he is still very young...
José Antonio Alcolea (8306630) 19 years, passable form, healthy A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest. Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities. Nationality: Espaņa Assessed value: 174 000 US$ Wage: 1 200 US$/week Owner: MiniYos Warnings: 0 Stamina: wretched Goaltending: passable Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous Winger: wretched Defending: disastrous Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: disastrous Also, if someone is quick enough and has enough money to do some day-trading type stuff....here are some guys for cheap ending shortly... Bedrettin Aybar (7712985) 27 years, poor form, healthy A controversial person who is temperamental and honest. Has weak experience and passable leadership abilities. Speciality: Technical Nationality: Deutschland Assessed value: 121 000 US$ Wage: 1 760 US$/week Owner: Wirsing Waldhausen Warnings: 0 Stamina: wretched Goaltending: passable Playmaking: wretched Passing: disastrous Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: passable current bid $50,000 Arnold Nowaczyk (4285626) 27 years, solid form, healthy A pleasant guy who is temperamental and righteous. Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities. Speciality: Powerful Nationality: Polska Assessed value: 290 000 US$ Wage: 2 410 US$/week Owner: Duze Sutki Warnings: 0 Stamina: poor Goaltending: passable Playmaking: disastrous Passing: wretched Winger: disastrous Defending: wretched Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: solid current bid $74,000 Robin Persson (5086497) 26 years, passable form, healthy A sympathetic guy who is calm and honest. Has disastrous experience and solid leadership abilities. Nationality: Sverige Assessed value: 167 000 US$ Wage: 1 630 US$/week Owner: Kumlahuliganerna Warnings: 0 Stamina: excellent Goaltending: passable Playmaking: wretched Passing: wretched Winger: wretched Defending: disastrous Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: passable this guy is my favorite and I would have gone after him had i not gotten my guy..the current bid is $73,000...these are all passable keepers for under $100,000 with the bidding ending shortly... What do you guys think about the keeper that I got, did I get a good deal? Is he good? And I guess I should sell Peter Hastings now, how much should I ask for him? |
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03-07-2003, 02:59 PM
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That keeper should do just fine until you're ready to bump up to a solid one (and you could even train goalkeeping and try to bump this guy up).
Yeah, I would go ahead and sell keeper #3. He's really only worth around $20K, but some sucker might pay much more. I'd list him at around 15 and around 3-4pm and hope for a bidding war for him. You could try the route of listing him for your dream price and hope to get a sucker (worked for me, once).
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03-07-2003, 03:00 PM
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Oh, and by the way, take everything I say with a grain of salt, I've only had a team since 1/31, so I'm no expert.
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03-07-2003, 04:01 PM
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Alcolea looks like he should get the job done for you, at least for the time being. He looks like a low-end passable keeper to me, but he has put up 2 stars his last three times out, and you certainly can't argue with the price.
Personally, I'd prefer a guy with a bit more experience, but you'll have a hard time finding experienced keepers that young. It's all a matter of preference, I suppose.
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03-08-2003, 09:11 AM
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Thats good to hear, I liked the price, and at a young age he should be able to be my keeper for a while as I don't plan on moving up to group IV anytime soon.... I was able to pick up an indaquit D. Winger for pretty cheap...here he is....I liked the fact he had excellent stamina, and was also very young... Anders Andersson (7027563) 18 years, inadequate form, healthy A pleasant guy who is balanced and upright. Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities. Speciality: Technical Nationality: Sverige Assessed value: 43 000 US$ Wage: 768 US$/week including 20% Bonus Owner: Louisiana Cyclones Warnings: 0 Stamina: excellent Goaltending: disastrous Playmaking: weak Passing: poor Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched Also last night I had a lot of time to read you guys comments and come up with a roster and a plan somewhat, I was wondering what you guys thought about this...currently I will run the 4-4-2 and this will be my roster for that: Keeper- Alcolea Def. Wing- Stubblefield, Anderson Central Def.- Prince, Rowell Mid Winger- Moon, T. Hightower Inner Midfield- Quigly, Peckerman Forward- Bergeron, Aguilera That is my new starting lineup, seems ok? ANd then for my friendly games I will run a 5-4-1 with the roster being this.... Keeper- Glenn Def. Wing- Holden, Meek Central Def.- Henry, Cruz, Negrini Mid Winger- Matas, Neely Inner Midfield- Broom, Pack Forward- J. Hightower With this setup a few of the players (Holden, and Meek most obviously) are playing in positions that they really arn't meant for, so I will need to try and find replacements for them. Those 2 rosters give me 22 players who will play in games, I am going to try and get rid of everyone on my roster who did not make that list then I really need to go after some wingers. Another question I have is this: If I am training Defense, does that effect everyone who plays or just players who play defense?....If it is the 2nd what positions does it help, just central D or Wing D and Mid fielders? Again thanks for all the help... -Doug Last edited by Doug5984 : 03-08-2003 at 09:14 AM. |
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03-08-2003, 01:31 PM
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Andersson should be a ** wingback pickup provided he's decently inadequate (try to decipher that and win a prize). DK is right, Alcoa is only slightly above inad, but oh well- you can't knock passable and **. Also, to your comments about the Sverige tranfer market: yes, it's by far the highest priced. Since everyone can find those guys, the price is higher as there are more bidders. Not everyone runs off and checks some of the smaller countries. That's why I have guys from 9 different countries on my team.
Also, from my wealth of mistakes: while my compulsive player bidding will keep me somewhat in debt, it's my $230K stadium improvement that really put me in debt. It's great in that I now can fill 15K seats a week and pull down $80K but I have $10K in upkeep and these offseason weeks are really going to hurt, costwise. So I'd hold off on the stadium: build a good team first and don't try to do it all at once like I did. Quote:
Keeper - You have your starter in your trainee (a little old at 21, but he'll do). What more could you need in life? Def Wingers- Your starters are as good as you have and Holden isn't too bad but Meek is just awful for a def winger (poor wing) not that Holden is much better. Try to snag a couple of inad/inad young guys to put in their place. Cen Def- They're not young and Prince is lacking in stamina but you can bust their arses in the offseason to improve that. Still, they are passable defenders and unless your team was created with a solid, it's the best you can hope for. You trainees are all teenage inads with pretty good or really good stamina. Not too shabby. I guess you could try to find a passable out on the open market but that's more of what you will want to do once you start churning out talent. Wingers - Moon is passable and I'd look to replace Hightower with someone passable. You can find passable wingers on the cheap, easily: $10K-$20K. I'm looking for solids right now and if you're patient, I've found ones for $30K-$50K. Matas is too old to be a trainee, so I'd replace him as well. I'd suggest snagging a couple of young passables- your main one with weak playmaking or better and a secondary one with weak or better defense (so you can essentially be training another wingback). Middies - Your two main guys are your two best guys so can't complain, tho I think a solid would be a good upgrade when you are rolling in cash. Pack needs to be replaced by a inad young guy with inad defense (see- that whole reoccuring theme about trying to get guys all over the field who benefit from your training). Forwards- look for a better trainee than Hightower: someone with at least inad scoring/inad passing or even passable scoring and weak passing. Looks pretty good- I don't think you're going to take the world by storm, but you're off to a good start and building your team the right way. SI
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03-09-2003, 07:58 PM
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woo-hoo i just won 3-0
again, thanks for all the help guys....it is really helping me a lot, and I should now probably be able to finish in 3rd place this season....here is the report from my latest match Pancakes - Louisiana Cyclones 0 - 3 Date: 3/10/2003 at 01:00 MatchID: 4601118 Arena: The frying pan Crowd: 8935 At The frying pan, 8935 punters turned up, and despite threatening clouds at the horizon, no rain came. Pancakes had chosen a strategic 4-4-2 formation. Lineup: Franco - Petersen, Chan, Robbins, Arthur - Barnett, Luengo, Seward, Baxter - Steward, Zepeda. Louisiana had chosen a strategic 4-4-2 formation. The following players had been chosen: Alcolea - Stubblefield, Rowell, Prince, Andersson - Moon, Quigley, Peckerman, Hightower - Bergeron, Aguilera. Pancakes could have put themselves ahead in the 4:th minute as Gale Seward missed a volley shot on a ball coming in from the right. Pancakes were very close to putting themselves one up in the 11th minute as James Zepeda got through, but failing in concentration, he shot the ball wide. In the 23rd minute the visitors broke through on the right after some poor defending and Jacob Bergeron put the ball away for 0 - 1. Anders Andersson of Louisiana received a yellow card in the 34:th minute for unsportsmanlike behaviour. 0 - 1 was the half-time score. Louisiana held the ball, with a clear 58 percent possession rate. Louisiana had, after 48 minutes of the game, worked the left side industriously, creating several opportunities to add to their lead, but somehow didnīt achieve closure. In the games 52nd minute Jeffrey Quigley nearly put the visitors another one up as he broke through and fired from just outside the box, his shot passed just over the bar. Jacob Bergeron came close to extending the visitors lead as he, completely unmarked in front of the goal, lifted a ball over Kenneth Franco, hitting the bar. Pancakesīs Ross Steward left the field after 79 minutes because of a nasty blow to the shin. His replacement was Lester Hutchins. Elliott Aguilera increased the visitors lead by putting a volley shot away on a pass from the right. 0 - 2. Some fine manouvering on the left lead to an 86:th minute Louisiana goal, making it 0 - 3. Elliott Aguilera was noted down as the scorer. In the games 86:th minute Pancakesīs James Zepeda fell dramatically just outside the penalty area. However, the referee booked James Zepeda for taking a dive. Louisiana held the ball, with a clear 77 percent possession rate. The most dominating Pancakes player was without a doubt Donald Robbins. Frank Petersen on the other hand, had a terrible day. The most dominating Louisiana player was without a doubt José Antonio Alcolea. Godofredo Peckerman on the other hand, had a terrible day. The match ends 0 - 3. Pancakes Player rating and Team formation Midfield: disastrous Right Side Defence: weak Central Defence: inadequate Left Side Defence: weak Right Side Attack: poor Central Attack: poor Left Side Attack: weak Louisiana Cyclones Player rating and Team formation Midfield: wretched Right Side Defence: solid Central Defence: excellent Left Side Defence: passable Right Side Attack: inadequate Central Attack: weak Left Side Attack: weak Louisiana Cyclones Player ratings (I am not sure how to do this, I think it is * for a star, and ~ for half a star) Keeper- Alcolea **~ (2-1/2 stars, i am very happy with that) De. Wing- Stubblefield **, Anderson *~ Central D- Prince **, Rowell ** Mid Wing- Moon **, Hightower *~ Inner Mid- Quigly **, Peckerman *~ Forward- Bergeron *~, Aguilera ** Overall i was very happy with how my team played....a 3-0 shutout is very good in my books....Another interesting thing is that the team I played just finished expanding his stadium to 25,000 seats  , he got his team the same day as me, and has not yet made a transfer...I can only imagine how much debt he is going to be in in the future.... |
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03-12-2003, 01:24 PM
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New Logo...I just needed somewhere to put this logo so nevstar could host it for me...
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03-12-2003, 01:44 PM
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logo received and uploaded.
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03-12-2003, 04:31 PM
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Ok- I though I needed to bump this back up...because I have a new delima....
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This is my current keeper, he is a passable keeper, but he appears to be a low-passable. When I bought him he was a 2.5* keeper with the team before, and he put up 2.5* in his first game with me. Since then he has put up 4 consecuative 2* star games. Now my problem with this is that my backup keeper who is this.... Quote:
He has been putting up 2* preformances in friendlies ever since I got him....My questions are: should I be starting the backup since he has solid form? Should I sell this keeper, and try to pickup a better passable keeper, valued over $200k (I am in debt, so this might be hard to do...), or should I just wait it out with my current starter and hope that he starts putting up 2.5* games again? Also right now I have 2 players on the transfer market if anyone is interested.... Quote:
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04-08-2003, 02:40 PM
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A general rule of thumb that I use is that 2 levels of form is (roughly) equivalent to 1 level of skill, so right now Alcolea and Glenn are probably putting up very even performances. Given the fact that you are in debt, I would not recommend going player shopping.
Instead, were I in your shoes, I would stick with what I have, and go with the 2 to 1 rule. For the time being, keep playing Alcolea, but if his form drops to 3 levels below the backup, then play Glenn. Keep an eye on Alcolea's form long-term before deciding whether or not to start looking for an alternative. It's possible that he is just in a bit of a slump right now, and will regain his 2.5* form soon.
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04-08-2003, 03:50 PM
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Im using an inadequate keeper and he gets me 2 stars a game. Im completely contempt with that. Since i run a 4-5-1 i just dont see the point in upgrading to a passable keeper. My goalie rarley gets tested as it is and i kind of enjoy not droping an extra 80-100k on a measly 1/2 a star
 Spend that money on Midfielders and defenders. A team in my league dropped 164k on his 18 year old passable keeper and he is yet to win a game. with a 164k you can get an Inad keeper, 2 passable defenders, 2 passable wingers and an passable midfielder. And probally a couple young trannies. My whole team has only costed me 147k. If it wasnt for me dropping 100k on trying to get a good coach and i only ended up with an inadequate one, i'd still have 150k to spend. Instead of only 50k. So in closing i just think passable keepers are overrated for the money you have to pay to get them. Money's tight when you first get your team. Dont spent half of it on 1 player. Thats my opinion anyway. But im new so i could be wrong.
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I sincerely hope Havok meant to type "trainees." Otherwise, that's just gross.
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LOL!!!!!
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