What QB would you take? Pics included

Pacersfan46 · 11-19-2007, 04:41 PM

I took over a team with a full draft. I'm the Cardinals, and I have Carson Palmer, who is a 73/73 in year 9 of his career. The previous year I traded all my 1sts for a RB who started his rookie year 76/78 and ended the year 85/85. So I'm set at RB.

Now, I however had a money crunch and traded Shawn Merriman (who wanted an INSANE amount of a raise on his negotiations) for a bad contract (but much less money) and a 1st round pick. The Oakland Raiders had season ending injuries to the QB, and RB. I ended up with the #1 pick in the draft, amazingly enough. I know I have Palmer, but these 2 QB's seem AMAZING in the draft, and I don't have time to nit pick them right now. So I'm just curious what people say until tomorrow, or whenever I have the time to get back to the game. Here are there draft pages, after the interview.

I'd love to see what you guys think when I go to make this pick! They look so similar, it's sick!

DolphinFan1 · 11-19-2007, 04:45 PM

I would go with Peterson.

They are faily even in the combine scores. Peterson has a few better bars. But I see his intelligence is much better. Just my opinion.

wishbone · 11-19-2007, 04:53 PM

I would take Strickland, he's marked as underrated and has a lower volatility.

Coder · 11-19-2007, 05:07 PM

I'm sort of with wishbone here.. but I'm known to make some poor decisions come draftday

.. Please update us as the career moves along as to both of their ratings.

Raiders Army · 11-19-2007, 06:28 PM

Well, Peterson is a midget at QB and he has the kick holding ability of Tony Romo. Strickland is dumb as a rock but is about seven months younger. I'd go with Strickland since his floor seems lower (low volatility). In either case, I don't see why their style is long passes when they both suck (relatively) at long passes.

Pacersfan46 · 11-19-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

In either case, I don't see why their style is long passes when they both suck (relatively) at long passes.

I saw that, and I wondered too. Strange.

Either way it's what I figured, split almost 50/50 and you do have to nitpick to tell them apart.

I have no idea what I'm going to do. Seriously, but it's a good problem to have. I'll keep an eye on both guys throughout their careers. As I'm not good at saving all that info and presenting it all at once, I'll probably post 100 times in here lol

***EDIT*** Those 2 in grade aren't the highest graded player. There's a RDT who's rated at 7.5 and 8.1 adjusted. He's also viewed as "Very Underrated". However, I could never pass on a QB like one of these guys when my QB is reaching near 10 years in his career.

-- Steve --

Pacersfan46 · 11-19-2007, 07:50 PM

dola!

Post draft, I took Oliver, and he was 30/81

Peterson showed as 34/89

We'll see.

-- Steve --

Pacersfan46 · 11-19-2007, 10:56 PM

Well it certainly looks like I made the right choice. This is AFTER the first season, and before hitting the "END SEASON" button. Check it.

Oliver CLEARLY looks like the better player, and to top that off Peterson had a "serious injury" in his rookie year.

korme · 11-19-2007, 11:53 PM

Did you at all second guess yourself when Peterson was selected right away at #2?

Raiders Army · 11-20-2007, 07:36 AM

So neither QB played in his rookie year?

Pacersfan46 · 11-20-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

So neither QB played in his rookie year?

My QB didn't. Carson Palmer threw like 40 TD's.

Peterson did, and off the top of my head it was only 2 INT's and 1 TD in 3 games before the serious injury.

-- Steve --

Pacersfan46 · 11-20-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Did you at all second guess yourself when Peterson was selected right away at #2?

dola ....

And yes .... I was very afraid the high volatility would lead Peterson higher. Which would have been scary, no?

In general though I aim for low volatility at the top of the draft, and high volatility at the end of the draft. This, is exactly the reason.

-- Steve --

MizzouRah · 11-20-2007, 08:32 PM

I would have chosen Peterson as well, lucky for you it was the other way around for your decision.

Pacersfan46 · 11-21-2007, 12:02 PM

Wow, did I EVER make the right choice.

Peterson is now rated an 18-48 after 3 years in the league. His stats so far ...

109 attempts, 49 completions, 476 yards, 4 TD's, 6 INT's and Five 20+ plays.

Carson Palmer is a free agent, and wanted 20 Million a year. Oliver was his backup and is now showing at 59/83 with his stats so far being .....

148 attempts, 84 completions, 805 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT, and Eight 20+ plays.

Now we'll really see though, as Oliver will now be my starting QB and I'll let Palmer go in free agency. This is the fun part.

-- Steve --

****EDIT**** Carson Palmer wants a contract of 4 years, 13 million, 28 million, 31 million and 34 million ... to put this in perspective I resigned Oliver Strickland for more length in his contract, and I owe him ... 11 million the first two years (overlapping bonus money, and 7.5 million for the next 3 years. What's that? 43 million over 5 years, and Palmer wants 34 million for ONE year. lol

heardie · 11-21-2007, 04:06 PM

I would have to say that leg injury is taking points off him

Pacersfan46 · 11-21-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by heardie

I would have to say that leg injury is taking points off him

I would agree, but doesn't change the situation any.

I'm not sure, but is there some hidden rating the applies to injuries? Or it is just completely random?

-- Steve --

Pacersfan46 · 11-22-2007, 03:19 PM

Wow, Oliver has just won me a 2nd Super Bowl. Years 5-6-7 in his career he's had 121 TD's, and 44 INT's and 14,400 yards. That's nearly 40 TD's, 15 INT's, and 4,700 yards. All the math was done in my head on the division, so it's not exact.

7 years in, Peterson is still a 20/45. Ugly.

Two smaller notes, I traded up in the draft (traded alot actually) for possibly the best DE I've had on any of my teams. 56 sacks in his first 3 seasons. I traded the #8 pick, a starting RB who's averaged 4.6 YPC for his new team, and 2 more 1st round picks to move up to the #1 spot. So far, that's been a winner too.

Now ... this one is just weird to me. This running back averaged 5.3 YPC with 1119 yards, and 7 TD's. As a rookie. Not that weird, right? Well .... he started ZERO games. He was the backup RB. Not to mention he's an UNDRAFTED free agent rookie who's showing in his ratings .... a 2 in breakaway speed. No, I didn't forget a number. That's a TWO. 31 on inside power, 26 in 3rd down running, 26 in hole recognition, 58 in elusive, and 11 in speed to outside. His overall rating is 25/32

HOW THE HELL!?!!?

-- Steve --

sabotai · 11-22-2007, 03:52 PM

Quick question, how many formations does Oliver know now?

Pacersfan46 · 11-22-2007, 03:56 PM

13

-- Steve --

Pacersfan46 · 12-02-2007, 02:47 AM

Here are the career stats. It's horribly lopsided. lol

Strickland went out with a bang. In the playoffs his last year he threw for at least 3 TD's in every game, and had 13 TD's, and 5 INT's. Winning his 4th ring before retiring.

Pacersfan46 · 12-02-2007, 02:54 AM

At the time it looked like a no brainer, but apparently New England took the wrong QB. In that draft there was a QB that went #4 as well.

11-21-2007, 12:02 PM	#14
Pacersfan46 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis	Wow, did I EVER make the right choice. Peterson is now rated an 18-48 after 3 years in the league. His stats so far ... 109 attempts, 49 completions, 476 yards, 4 TD's, 6 INT's and Five 20+ plays. Carson Palmer is a free agent, and wanted 20 Million a year. Oliver was his backup and is now showing at 59/83 with his stats so far being ..... 148 attempts, 84 completions, 805 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT, and Eight 20+ plays. Now we'll really see though, as Oliver will now be my starting QB and I'll let Palmer go in free agency. This is the fun part. -- Steve -- **EDIT** Carson Palmer wants a contract of 4 years, 13 million, 28 million, 31 million and 34 million ... to put this in perspective I resigned Oliver Strickland for more length in his contract, and I owe him ... 11 million the first two years (overlapping bonus money, and 7.5 million for the next 3 years. What's that? 43 million over 5 years, and Palmer wants 34 million for ONE year. lol Last edited by Pacersfan46 : 11-21-2007 at 12:06 PM.

11-22-2007, 03:19 PM	#17
Pacersfan46 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis	Wow, Oliver has just won me a 2nd Super Bowl. Years 5-6-7 in his career he's had 121 TD's, and 44 INT's and 14,400 yards. That's nearly 40 TD's, 15 INT's, and 4,700 yards. All the math was done in my head on the division, so it's not exact. 7 years in, Peterson is still a 20/45. Ugly. Two smaller notes, I traded up in the draft (traded alot actually) for possibly the best DE I've had on any of my teams. 56 sacks in his first 3 seasons. I traded the #8 pick, a starting RB who's averaged 4.6 YPC for his new team, and 2 more 1st round picks to move up to the #1 spot. So far, that's been a winner too. Now ... this one is just weird to me. This running back averaged 5.3 YPC with 1119 yards, and 7 TD's. As a rookie. Not that weird, right? Well .... he started ZERO games. He was the backup RB. Not to mention he's an UNDRAFTED free agent rookie who's showing in his ratings .... a 2 in breakaway speed. No, I didn't forget a number. That's a TWO. 31 on inside power, 26 in 3rd down running, 26 in hole recognition, 58 in elusive, and 11 in speed to outside. His overall rating is 25/32 HOW THE HELL!?!!? -- Steve -- Last edited by Pacersfan46 : 11-22-2007 at 03:19 PM.

12-02-2007, 02:47 AM	#20
Pacersfan46 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis	Careers over ..... Here are the career stats. It's horribly lopsided. lol Strickland went out with a bang. In the playoffs his last year he threw for at least 3 TD's in every game, and had 13 TD's, and 5 INT's. Winning his 4th ring before retiring. Last edited by Pacersfan46 : 12-02-2007 at 02:50 AM.

11-19-2007, 04:45 PM	#2
DolphinFan1 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Connecticut	I would go with Peterson. They are faily even in the combine scores. Peterson has a few better bars. But I see his intelligence is much better. Just my opinion. __________________ GM of the Milwaukee Muscle Men of the ZFL. The 1st team in ZFL history to have a perfect losing season. I am on a quest to show that the Dolphins can win the Super Bowl. Or should I say Front Office Bowl, with FOF2K7. The revival of an old favorite, FOFC Wrestling Dynasty

11-19-2007, 04:53 PM	#3
wishbone High School JV Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hillsboro OR	I would take Strickland, he's marked as underrated and has a lower volatility.

11-19-2007, 05:07 PM	#4
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	I'm sort of with wishbone here.. but I'm known to make some poor decisions come draftday .. Please update us as the career moves along as to both of their ratings. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

11-19-2007, 06:28 PM	#5
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Well, Peterson is a midget at QB and he has the kick holding ability of Tony Romo. Strickland is dumb as a rock but is about seven months younger. I'd go with Strickland since his floor seems lower (low volatility). In either case, I don't see why their style is long passes when they both suck (relatively) at long passes.

11-19-2007, 07:50 PM	#7
Pacersfan46 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis	dola! Post draft, I took Oliver, and he was 30/81 Peterson showed as 34/89 We'll see. -- Steve --

11-19-2007, 10:56 PM	#8
Pacersfan46 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis	Well it certainly looks like I made the right choice. This is AFTER the first season, and before hitting the "END SEASON" button. Check it. Oliver CLEARLY looks like the better player, and to top that off Peterson had a "serious injury" in his rookie year. Last edited by Pacersfan46 : 11-19-2007 at 10:56 PM.

11-19-2007, 11:53 PM	#9
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Did you at all second guess yourself when Peterson was selected right away at #2?

11-20-2007, 07:36 AM	#10
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	So neither QB played in his rookie year?

11-20-2007, 08:32 PM	#13
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I would have chosen Peterson as well, lucky for you it was the other way around for your decision.

11-21-2007, 04:06 PM	#15
heardie n00b Join Date: Feb 2005	I would have to say that leg injury is taking points off him

11-22-2007, 03:52 PM	#18
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Quick question, how many formations does Oliver know now?

11-22-2007, 03:56 PM	#19
Pacersfan46 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis	13 -- Steve --

12-02-2007, 02:54 AM	#21
Pacersfan46 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indianapolis	At the time it looked like a no brainer, but apparently New England took the wrong QB. In that draft there was a QB that went #4 as well.

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