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Old 12-01-2007, 10:48 AM   #1
wbatl1
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Leaving Jobs in Text Sims

With the college football coaching carousel in full swing, I took a minute to think about my "coaching" jobs (in text sims and in real life), and realized how few times I have moved to another job. In text sims, I very, very rarely switch jobs. For example, I have started numerous BBCF and FM games as a low prestige team or unemployed, thinking I will move up the coaching ladder and end up coaching a USC or Man U, but almost never end up leaving the team I start with. This is due to multiple reasons, but the first reason is that I feel like I've invested something in the team. A second reason is that it is much harder to start with a new team than stick with a program you know. This experience also applies to my real-life coaching experience, where I have coached the same team (a swim team) for years even though I have been approached by a couple of other teams. Now, imagine my text sim and real-life experience on a the much larger scale of real, big-time, college football for these coaches, and their decisions must be agonizinly difficult to make.

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Old 12-01-2007, 10:50 AM   #2
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Something you do as a hobby is different than you do as a job. I rarely change jobs in a game for the reasons you cite - but in real life, I change jobs about as often as Nick Saban.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:09 AM   #3
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Something you do as a hobby is different than you do as a job. I rarely change jobs in a game for the reasons you cite - but in real life, I change jobs about as often as Nick Saban.

I agree with this statement, but I assume you don't have a job that is almost 100% about relationships, which I think is an accurate description of the job of a college head coach. These relationships (I speak for experience with my real-life coaching) are very hard to leave, at least for me (on, obviously, a much lower level). Then again, I don't depend on the money I make from my coaching job as my primary source of income.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:24 AM   #4
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...Then again, I don't depend on the money I make from my coaching job as my primary source of income.

Bingo.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:44 AM   #5
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Bingo.

Yup. Bingo indeed. You are the manager of Stoke in the Championship. You make about 400k. Heck, say you moved them up and get a raist to 1.5 a year.
You are offered the position of head coach of ManU. You are now offered 7 million a year.

IRL, that really isn't that agonizing of a decision. Ummm, love ya Stoke, glad I could help you out. . . good bye.

I'm sure things can get tough on occasion when the money is close, but I don't think the mid major guys have a lot of thoughts about moving up to a BCS conference or a championship manager has to put a lot of thought into moving up to an established EPL team.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:16 PM   #6
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Amen. I think the bump in prestige/income is always an easier decision to make, especially when we realize that you could very well (IRL) get passed over to the point where people go "what happened to that guy" after a few average seasons.

You can always go downward, but going upward is something just a window that you have to when your name is hot.

Though when faced with this sort of thing in real life, the considerations are far more difficult and a few thousand bucks one way or another, along with all of the personal relationships make such a thing far more difficult to do.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:36 PM   #7
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I think for me, it's because the text sims don't have "great" job-changing algorithms. The OOTP series in recent years, for example, has felt to me like it's pretty static. If you take a job with a team, you probably aren't going to get offered another job, so the idea of starting with a "mid-major" doesn't seem like it has a great upside. Thus, I'll generally start with the Dodgers and stay there.

FOF, you have to get fired in order to have a chance at another job, and I can't remember if you get offered certain jobs or if you can just pick anybody.

FM, the algorithm is great, but there's also an economic element to it. Unless your favored team is already one of the upper echelon, success isn't going to get you job offers you'd necessarily be happy with taking. Unless you're the kind of masochist who enjoys getting a team promoted a couple times before jumping back down to League Two or something.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:21 PM   #8
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Something you do as a hobby is different than you do as a job. I rarely change jobs in a game for the reasons you cite - but in real life, I change jobs about as often as Nick Saban.

I'm about the opposite, I don't change jobs in real life very often, but I like working my way up to richer and better teams in sims.
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