Dolphins Fan: What do you want to happen this offseason?

[Kodos]

I guess the best scenario for me would involve Bill Cowher coming in to replace Cameron. Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas would be traded to the Colts so that they'd get a chance to go out as champions. This is all assuming that Huzienga wouldn't sell the team. If he would, that'd be even better.

[stevew]

I pity you if you look at Cowher as a potential saviour for the franchise.

[DeToxRox]

As an outsider, I think the most reasonable outlook for the off season is Miami trading Taylor for a 1st or 2nd, then hoping RB23 is healthy. I'd draft Jake Long #1 and build from the inside out so you put Beck in the best possibile position to win.

I don't know their cap situation but if they can sign some solid players to start for them that's icing on the cake.

I think this is a 3-4 year fix though.

[Dr. Sak]

I think you should get a kick returner to go with the punt returner you got last season. Special teams are 1/3rd of the game!

[rkmsuf]

Jason Taylor is 34. Doubt they get anything like a 1st or 2nd.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Jason Taylor to the Pats makes too much sense not to happen.

God forbid.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by stevew

I pity you if you look at Cowher as a potential saviour for the franchise.

I'd actually prefer Jon Gruden or Mike Shanahan, but Cowher seems to be the best out of who will realistically be available.

[Aylmar]

I don't see Cowher wanting that job. The roster is in shambles. It would be two or three years before he could put the talent together to win on a regular basis. Sure, if he managed to do it, it would be a great feather in his cap, but he'd have to endure two or three years of people saying how he can't win without the support of the Steelers organization and infrastructure. I'm not sure his ego will allow that. No, I think Cowher would want a job similar to the one he got in Pittsburgh. A team with plenty of talent that just needs a new voice to grab their attention...

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Aylmar

I don't see Cowher wanting that job. The roster is in shambles. It would be two or three years before he could put the talent together to win on a regular basis. Sure, if he managed to do it, it would be a great feather in his cap, but he'd have to endure two or three years of people saying how he can't win without the support of the Steelers organization and infrastructure. I'm not sure his ego will allow that. No, I think Cowher would want a job similar to the one he got in Pittsburgh. A team with plenty of talent that just needs a new voice to grab their attention...

Stay away from the Chargers Cowher!!

[stevew]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Jason Taylor is 34. Doubt they get anything like a 1st or 2nd.

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Maybe a 4th that turns into a 3rd, at the very very most.

[Logan]

[dick mode]

One thread about your team isn't enough?

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[Kodos]

[dick mode]

One thread about your team isn't enough?

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Tiny dick mode.

[Mustang]

How about 3 new months added between June and July so the 2008 season doesn't start too quickly?

[Toddzilla]

* fire the coach, GM, and personell director
* spend the giant bucks to being in new/fresh faces in the front office
* tear the team apart - trade everyone of value for picks
* rebuild from scratch - draft Matt Ryan / Colt Brennan
* punch Nick Saban in the yam bag

[Maple Leafs]

Here's a thought: don't trade any really good players to the best team in the league.

[Big Fo]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

* fire the coach, GM, and personell director
* spend the giant bucks to being in new/fresh faces
* tear the team apart - trade everyone of value for picks
* rebuild from scratch - draft Matt Ryan / Colt Brennan
* punch Nick Saban in the yam bag

Basically this, at least points 1-3 and 5. Oh, and time gets fast-forwarded to 2010.

[Noop]

Trade the number 1 pick for a boatload of picks and draft OL, DL, and DBs. Fire Coach Cam and try to lure a Coach who is known for developing young talent. Then go out and sign the best G.M. in the business.

[Greyroofoo]

So by reading the title of this thread, i can assume there's only one Dolphins fan left?

[Izulde]

1. Get rid of everyone. Players, coaching staff, front office staff, everybody. Hell, an empty cupboard is the only way we don't turn into the Knicks of the NFL.

2. Try and get lots and lots of draft picks, that will be spent by a smart GM. Think Bill Polian would want a shot?

[MikeVic]

How can you get rid of everyone and rebuild, while signing big name free agents at the same time?

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by Izulde

2. Try and get lots and lots of draft picks, that will be spent by a smart GM. Think Bill Polian would want a shot?

YOU KEEP THE DOLPHINS AWAY FROM BILL POLIAN!

[B & B]

Sign Wayne to a lifelong contract. Insist all players wear Isotoner gloves during practice and games. Change mascot to carp or guppie.

[Rizon]

The death of our owner is what I want most.
Followed by the deaths of Cameron and then Mueller.

[Johnny93g]

I dont want Zach or JT to go anywhere. Im a greedy Dolphins fan. I want them to be Dolphins for life.

As for this offseason. There are no quick answers. I am torn between Matt Ryan and Glen Dorsey in the draft right now. It's hard to be sold on Beck the way he has played. Ofcourse he doesnt have a RB right now, and is throwing to Ted Ginn.

[Johnny93g]

Originally Posted by Rizon

The death of our owner is what I want most.
Followed by the deaths of Cameron and then Mueller.

Firing them wouldnt be enough for ya, eh

[MrDNA]

How much has Beck even played?

Who could trade up in the draft and would want to, in order for the Dolphins to trade down?

Just askin'

[RedKingGold]

Get Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas together to make a sequel to "2 Girls, 1 Cup"

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Firing them wouldnt be enough for ya, eh

Firing at them would be ok with me.

[Crapshoot]

I think people underestimate the difficulty of trading down these days - how many teams want to make a rookie the highest payed player (in guarenteed money) in the league? Hell, I'd much rather have a pick at #15 than #1 the way the draft is shaping up.

[14ers]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

As an outsider, I think the most reasonable outlook for the off season is Miami trading Taylor for a 1st or 2nd, then hoping RB23 is healthy. I'd draft Jake Long #1 and build from the inside out so you put Beck in the best possibile position to win.

John Beck is not an answer for the Dolphins at QB.

They must draft a QB #1 in this years draft and quit bringing in other teams problem QBs.


Can you demote a head coach to Coordinator? Cameron is signed until 2010 and would cost the dolphins some serious green to fire this year.


***In an alternate reality universe I would love to see the Dolphins sign both Colt Brennan and June Jones!

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by 14ers

***In an alternate reality universe I would love to see the Dolphins sign both Colt Brennan and June Jones!

But which one would start?

[Synovia]

Originally Posted by Johnny93g

It's hard to be sold on Beck the way he has played.

I don't think the Dolphs should draft a QB this year. Theres absolutely no way to tell what Beck is with the abysmal talent on the rest of the offense. That being said, the fact that he's 26 now, and will be 29 or so when they finally get to the point where they're even close to competitive doesn't make his drafting all that bright.


What worries me about the dolphins is Welker. He was clearly their best receiver, and they wouldn't even give him the $1.8m tender

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Synovia

I don't think the Dolphs should draft a QB this year. Theres absolutely no way to tell what Beck is with the abysmal talent on the rest of the offense. That being said, the fact that he's 26 now, and will be 29 or so when they finally get to the point where they're even close to competitive doesn't make his drafting all that bright.


What worries me about the dolphins is Welker. He was clearly their best receiver, and they wouldn't even give him the $1.8m tender

haven't seen any of beck but I've heard he has zero arm. throws a lolipop. that can't be good combined with his age.

why didn't they tender welker? because they are dumb. same reason they signed trent green.

[Synovia]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

haven't seen any of beck but I've heard he has zero arm. throws a lolipop. that can't be good combined with his age.

His arm is fine. He's not Jamarcus Russel, but hes not Brad Johnson/Chad Pennington either.


Theres just no way you can tell what he is at this point. The offensive line play like a bunch of Matadors, and hes getting hit before he can even set his feet.

I agree, they need to rebuild, but the problem is, they need to replace the offensive line, and 2/3 of the defense, and thats going to take 3 years minimum, and at that point, Beck is starting to enter his prime, but hes only going to have a short career.

[rkmsuf]

they have a decent shot a beating the ravens this week

[Synovia]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Here's a thought: don't trade any really good players to the best team in the league.

The patriots aquisition of welker wasn't really a trade. The dolphins gave him the 1.3M/2nd Round RFA tag. The Patriots wanted him, and offered him a contract. The only way the Dolphins can keep him, is if they match the contract, which was reported to have a poision pill clause (something like "if player plays 5 games in miami, entire contract is guaranteed) and the last year of the contract was like $14m. He was gone, and the patriots had to send the dolphins a 2nd rounder.

The "trade" was essentially a 7th rounder for the right to sign Welker without the poison pill, and negotiate with him in a clean environment, instead of the "dolphins can match" hanging over. They basically traded a 7th for extra cap space.

[Synovia]

"I have read speculation that the Patriots would have pursued Welker even if it meant giving up the first. I think it comes down to the Dolphins not valuing Welker as much as other teams were sure to."

I wouldn't have been surprised about the Patriots going after Welker at a 1st and 3rd, considering how Bellichick spoke about him last year. Whats absurd is how little value they(MIA) placed on him when the rest of the NFL clearly felt he had quite a bit more value.


We're talking 1.3M vs 1.8M vs 2.3M for your receiver who caught 67 passes last year, led the league in catch percentage, was your kickoff and punt returner,and is only 26. We're talking that the dolphins weren't willing to give him 1.8M/2.3M, and the Patriots, a team that is usually lambasted for being cheap, give him an $18M contract with $5m guaranteed. Vet minimum is what, 1.3M anyways?


Its not that they got so little for him thats damning, but the clear inability to correctly judge talent/value. Porter is another example of this: clearly declining, and a team that is years away gives him a huge contract.


Whoever is making the personell decisions clearly has no idea what they're doing.

[rkmsuf]

I forgot about Porter. Seems like they thought they could gear up for a run with veterans. How else would you explain signing Green and Porter. How foolish considering their conference and division.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Synovia

Whoever is making the personell decisions clearly has no idea what they're doing.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Synovia]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Seems like they thought they could gear up for a run with veterans.

This is partially hindsight, but thats just more evidence that whoever is running this team has no idea what they're doing. They were 6-10 last year, with a very old team. They had no offensive line, the defense was starting to fall apart, etc. Theres no reason to think that "now is the time"

So they went out and traded for a QB that another team was going to cut after being replaced by a career backup, and signed a OLB from a team that is famous for being able to pretty much plug anyone in at OLB. They basically gave away their best young receiver, and then wasted the number #9 pick in the draft to replace him with a player who will probably never be as good.

[Johnny93g]

Trade for Brady Quinn!!!

What kind of sining bonus did Quinn recieve this year. What would be the cap hit of the Browns trading him. I have read they ready to stick with Anderson next year. I know it is far fetched, but working out a deal for Quinn would be a start to getting back on track. We draft Dorsey at #1(I doubt we could move down in the draft)

That would give us Quinn, Crowder, Brown, and Dorsey. A solid young nucleus to build around.

[Izulde]

I'm not sold on Quinn, to be perfectly honest, so no, I wouldn't want to see a trade for him.

[Atocep]

The Browns have also said they have no problem with Quinn being a backup for the entirety of his contract since he was drafted in the latter half of the 1st round and his cap number isn't too big.

They'll keep Anderson/Quinn for another year, at least, and probably 2.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Izulde

I'm not sold on Quinn, to be perfectly honest, so no, I wouldn't want to see a trade for him.

I wasn't from the beginning either. I'm glad the Dolphins didn't pick him. He's going to bust.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Rizon

I wasn't from the beginning either. I'm glad the Dolphins didn't pick him. He's going to bust.

I'd like to see him take a snap before I declare something like that.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Rizon

I wasn't from the beginning either. I'm glad the Dolphins didn't pick him. He's going to bust.

Yeah, I think he's going to bust myself and I was prepared to be disgruntled when the Dolphins picked him.

...But when they took Ginn, I went ballistic.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

they have a decent shot a beating the ravens this week

No...no they don't.

[miami_fan]

I don't think there is any chance that the Dolphins pick a QB next year. That would force them to admit that picking Beck and to a smaller degree Ginn was wrong. Also this year's draft was supposedly all about the offense. My hope would be that they use next year's draft to address the massive defensive shortcomings that they should have addressed this year.

[14ers]

Originally Posted by Izulde

I'm not sold on Quinn,

My thoughts exactly, before the 07' college season began.

Now, I am wondering how much of ND's success in 06' was Brady Quinn?

[Synovia]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Yeah, I think he's going to bust myself and I was prepared to be disgruntled when the Dolphins picked him.

...But when they took Ginn, I went ballistic.

Football Outsiders seems to think Quinn was the best QB in that draft, and so far they've been pretty much perfect on picking studs/duds with Dave Lewin's system (basically games started and completion percentage).


Ginn was a bad pick, but WRs not named Randy Moss usually take 2 or 3 years before they're effective.