Can someone please explain this

[claretonmyshirt]

I am in my seconds eason with my team in a multi player league

10-6 in my first season, 3-1 until todays game in my 2nd season, so i know what i am doing

I just played Miami his QB is a rookie 18/47 with the lowest expereince, his QB stats for the gameare 15 of 16 197 yards 139.6 rating and 1 td, prior to the game the same QB had a 51% comp % 3 Td's 9 ints and a QB rating of less than 50. In the Same game my QB 57/61 completes 12 of 26 for 160 (86 yards off of 1 play)

Running wise his HB runs 38 times (yes 38 times if he did this every gme he would run 604 times a season !!!!!!!) for 163 yards behind a OL that is, before the game i had given up 308 yards rushing in 4 games (75 yards a game) same game plan

run block and then strength

C 16-44
LG 40-46
RG 29-11
LT 79-41
RT 42-42

I have Shaun Rogers Run D 80, MLB of 80 and other good run stoppers

All my DB's are rated 50+ bar including the nickle back

Please don''t say this is bad dice throws

[sovereignstar]

what's your cohesion and your opponent's cohesion? what are the ratings of every other player on your team? what are the ratings of every other player on your opponent's team? whose stadium was the game played in? what are the ratings of your coach? what are the ratings of miami's coach? what does your gameplan look like? what does the gameplan of your opponent look like? etc etc etc etc

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

what's your cohesion and your opponent's cohesion? what are the ratings of every other player on your team? what are the ratings of every other player on your opponent's team? whose stadium was the game played in? what are the ratings of your coach? what are the ratings of miami's coach? what does your gameplan look like? what does the gameplan of your opponent look like? etc etc etc etc

About 15 of his starters had Flu as well, his stadium.

My D is
DE 48/65
De 49/70
DT 67/67
DT 38/55
wlb 40/40
SLB 39/52
MLB 72/72
CB 53/53
CB 52/55
FS 51/51
SS 47/66

His Fb was 36/45 and TE 44

My cohesion good and good on d, his Off vgood and vgood
His coach good and good for play calling and my coach good and average

THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT

[highfiveoh]

Originally Posted by claretonmyshirt

About 15 of his starters had Flu as well, his stadium.

My D is
DE 48/65
De 49/70
DT 67/67
DT 38/55
wlb 40/40
SLB 39/52
MLB 72/72
CB 53/53
CB 52/55
FS 51/51
SS 47/66

His Fb was 36/45 and TE 44

My cohesion good and good on d, his Off vgood and vgood

THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT

bad dice throws

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by highfiveoh

bad dice throws

and your a comedian arn't you !

[sovereignstar]

Really, what do you want to hear? Are you saying that you should've beat that team 100 times out of 100 or what?

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Really, what do you want to hear? Are you saying that you should've beat that team 100 times out of 100 or what?

No not at all, but those stats are ridiculous considering the skill sets of both teams, his LG and C where 45 on run block added together and strength 55 added together with green and blue experience and he ran 33 times for 144 yards against 2 players who where at least twice as good. I would not mind if it was due to say a 70 yard run or something but it was a steady thing, addto that the QB Stats and what the QB had done b4 45 qb rating and it stinks

[claretonmyshirt]

Remember as well about 15 of his playes played with flu with reduced skill settings, if his centre was any worse he'd of been dead

[Joe]

you should definitely be winning every game

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by Joe

you should definitely be winning every game

If i win i win if i lose i lose but come please explain those stats to me, if it is down o lucky dice rolls then it does not make the game vey skillful does it !

[Tormaz]

Sometimes players play well above their ratings. In FoF and real football. It happens.

Just like when a backup QB comes in when a starter goes down and lights up the defense. The next week that same backup QB throws 5 interceptions.

Thats the beauty of football. So many things can happen.

I am going to guess that his QB just played a game well above his norm and your team played poorly.

[Tasan]

Paging Todd Collins, Todd Collins, your FOF counterpart has been spotted.


He's gotta be a 35/35 in real life right?

[Vinatieri for Prez]

It really is quite ridiculous that a raw, virtually unknown, low ratings bar, 2nd year QB named Tom Brady won a SB, isn't it?

Why not revel in what can clearly be a real life occurrence that adds life/immersion to your league rather than complaining? Moving on.

[larrymcg421]

"If luck weren't involved, I guess I'd win every one."
-Phil Hellmuth

[PiemasterUK]

OMG I had like TEH SAME THING happen to me!!!! week 9 and I was playing as teh Saints and I was running hot! Had won my last 4 games and last year had nearly got to the superbowl (beat by the bears with the same BS luck) So anyway I am playing at hoem to the rams and OMG they are like the worst team in the leage or something they are like 0-8. They have this ropey QB and their rb is injured and their reievers as really old and there defence is rubbish. Should be a realy realy easy win. And then like teh game is pulling da shit on me!!! They scored 37 points!! and teh QB is throwing like 300 yards witrh 2tds and no inteceptions and some washed up 31 year old reciever has got like 120 yards or sumthing. Anyway its complete BS and I end up not making the playoffs because of this game and more BS against the bears (AGAIN!) in week 17 and this game is totally rigged and is out to screw me and i quit.

Sean Payton

[BradS]

Somewhat related. I lost the leagues top rated QB and started 2-7 as a result. Signed this guy who leaves alot to be desired.



As a starter 6-1 thus far. I'm just a little stunned (pleasantly of course) on how he turned the team around it seems.

[Ben E Lou]

A one-game sample is pretty much meaningless. I could point you to countless individual NFL games where a great run defense got destroyed by a weak rushing offense, or where a crappy QB had a great one-game performance. I just spent about 60 seconds at NFL.com and found that Ryan Grant had his 2nd-best rushing day of the season against the league's #1 rushing defense, and that rookie QB Trent Edwards had his best passing day of the year against the #4 passing defense. In the NFL, stuff happens that makes no "logical" sense on a fairly regular basis. In any computer simulation, this gets translated as "bad dice rolls."

Welcome to Canton.

[Ben E Lou]

Oh yeah....


Deal With It.

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by Tormaz

Sometimes players play well above their ratings. In FoF and real football. It happens.

Just like when a backup QB comes in when a starter goes down and lights up the defense. The next week that same backup QB throws 5 interceptions.

Thats the beauty of football. So many things can happen.

I am going to guess that his QB just played a game well above his norm and your team played poorly.

I accept that one player can step up and play a great game, but his whole team did and they stepped up far above what they should be able to do and the team had FLU, his Centre was a 26/53 stats of 16/27/44/30, the LG a 36 36 with stats of 29/11/45/100 the R 40/46/34/56 up against Shaun Rogers etc. My front fours endurance was average 50, his OL averaged 40 yet he runs it 53 times succesfully and he did not have one big gain that ould explain the stats either

I appreciate you have to have upset results, i accept there has to be a degree of luck in the game but this is just unrealistic, stupid and a complete load of rubbish

FOF looks great with all the stats, contracts, tables etc but the gamplay needs some very heavy work doing. How many HB can run a ball 38 times in one game (works out at 604 times a season) it's just basic to get that right. How can players with Flu play like supermen, come on i bet you've all had flu before and you know just how sh-te you felt so ell me how they became superstars (again this is basic)

Was the new patch tested before being released ???????

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by claretonmyshirt

How many HB can run a ball 38 times in one game (works out at 604 times a season) it's just basic to get that right.

WK	Game Date	Opp	Result	G	GS	Att	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	Long	TD	FUM	Lost
1	09/10	CIN	L 10-23	1	1	17	68	4.0	18	0	5	80	16.0	25	0	--	--
2	09/17	@ DEN	L 6-9	1	1	27	126	4.7	24	0	5	41	8.2	14	0	1	1
3	Bye			--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--	--
4	10/01	SF	W 41-0	1	1	30	101	3.4	28	2	4	41	10.3	27	0	--	--
5	10/08	@ ARI	W 23-20	1	1	16	36	2.3	9	0	6	106	17.7	78	1	1	1
6	10/15	@ PIT	L 7-45	1	1	15	26	1.7	8	1	3	6	2.0	5	0	--	--
7	10/22	SD	W 30-27	1	1	28	132	4.7	22	2	2	29	14.5	15	0	--	--
8	10/29	SEA	W 35-28	1	1	39	155	4.0	38	3	2	26	13.0	17	1	--	--
9	11/05	@ STL	W 31-17	1	1	27	172	6.4	45	1	0	0	--	--	0	--	--
10	11/12	@ MIA	L 10-13	1	1	18	75	4.2	14	1	2	14	7.0	13	0	--	--
11	11/19	OAK	W 17-13	1	1	31	154	5.0	18	2	--	--	--	--	--	--	--
12	11/23	DEN	W 19-10	1	1	34	157	4.6	21	1	1	6	6.0	6	0	--	--
13	12/03	@ CLE	L 28-31	1	1	28	110	3.9	24	0	2	26	13.0	18	0	--	--
14	12/10	BAL	L 10-20	1	1	23	120	5.2	47	0	1	4	4.0	4	0	--	--
15	12/17	@ SD	L 9-20	1	1	19	84	4.4	26	0	3	9	3.0	5	0	--	--
16	12/23	@ OAK	W 20-9	1	1	31	135	4.4	19	1	0	0	--	--	0	--	--
17	12/31	JAC	W 35-30	1	1	33	138	4.2	40	3	5	22	4.4	10	0	--	--
TOTAL				16	16	416	1,789	4.3	47	17	41	410	10.0	78	2	2	2

OH NO!!!! LARRY JOHNSON CARRIED THE BALL 39 TIMES IN ONE GAME!!! THE NFL IS BROKEN. IT'S JUST BASIC TO GET THAT RIGHT!!!!! THAT WORKS OUT TO 624 CARRIES IN A SEASON!!! OMGWTFLOLBBQ!!!!!

[Ben E Lou]

Dola:

Please tell me you're just a troll, and not really this obtuse.

[claretonmyshirt]

all hail Sky Dog for he has spoken

[claretonmyshirt]

Skydog,

Why am a troll and why am i being obtuse? It is because i question the game, for give me how dare i question the game oh great one.

Did Larry Johnson have Flu then when he ran 40 times or whatever, did he run behind a terrible OL and still get over 4ypc against Shaun Rogers and Co

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by claretonmyshirt

Skydog,

Why am a troll and why am i being obtuse?

It's not just this particular thread, but other things you've posted as well. That being said, the argument in this thread that no back should ever have 38 carries in a game because it extrapolates to 604 in a season may well be the single most inane game criticism I've ever seen posted in roughly nine years.

It is because i question the game, for give me how dare i question the game oh great one.

There's nothing wrong with questioning the game. I'm quite certain I myself am among the four or five people who have questioned the game the most, reported the most bugs, and given the most criticism of it. It's not the questioning, it's the amount of sheer senselessness in your battery of work.

Did Larry Johnson have Flu then when he ran 40 times or whatever, did he run behind a terrible OL and still get over 4ypc against Shaun Rogers and Co

Silly me. I guess no NFL back could EVER carry 40 times with the flu. That would be too, uh, Sweet, to be true, huh?

[Subby]

HEY SKYDOG. ASSHOLE. HE WAS 10-6 LAST SEASON AND 3-1 STARTING THIS SEASON.

HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING.

[Subby]

dola

THE GAME DOES NOT USE DICE SO THESE PEOPLE SAYING BAD DICE THROWS ARE JUST MAKING SICK JOKE

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Subby

HEY SKYDOG. ASSHOLE. HE WAS 10-6 LAST SEASON AND 3-1 STARTING THIS SEASON.

HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING.

Subbycaps f...t.........w!!!

[claretonmyshirt]

I am sorry but i had flu about 4 weeks back and i was terrible for 2 weeks and there is no way that he could run that many times with it and gain 4ypc behind a line that had flu as well.

Add to that his QB stats, this is a QB with a rating of less than 50, 3 tds and 9 ints with a 51% completion rating playing against a good D who then completes 15 of 16 and has a rating of 139.

My QB (4000 yrds last year) has a shocker he is a 57/61 playing behind a very good line we good receivers

I can accept one of these things but not all of them.

So Skydog what your telling me is that a team that has flu (mainly the Off) suddenly all step up and play 2-3 times better than they have all season, have the ball alot longer and all put up stats that do not match there skill set in any shape or form.

Also the season stats for Johnson is the season record for carries, so a one off season for a team re-knowned for pounding the ball so i think its you who is using a tiny sample size not me

So my work is not shit, i am not a genius at this game by any stretch of the imagination but as i said i can understand one player, maybe two stepping up and having the games of there lifes but not all of them when they are ridden with flu and not when some of the players are maxed out backups at best.

The more i play this game the more i feel that within a bout 5 minutes of the game starting you know whether you will win or lose

[Ben E Lou]

So you really are being serious, huh? Just wow.

Originally Posted by claretonmyshirt

I am sorry but i had flu about 4 weeks back and i was terrible for 2 weeks and there is no way that he could run that many times with it and gain 4ypc behind a line that had fle as well.

No offense intended, but I'd hazard a guess that most NFL running backs' bodies are in a little bit better shape than yours, and therefore can respond better to illness. As I referenced, it's a pretty "Sweet" thing.

Add to that his QB stats, thi is a QB with a rating of less than 50, 3 tds and 9 ints with a 51% completion rating playing against a good D who then completes 15 of 16 and has a ratin of 139.

Are you not reading? This happens in the NFL. Not often, but it happens. It took me less than one minute to find an example from this season in the NFL. I'm sure if I dug a little more, I could find others. Heck, Joey Harrington was something like 24 for 32 against an NFL defense this year. If he can have one game like that, any pro QB can.

My QB (4000 yrds last year) has a shocker

*shurg*

I can accept one of these things but not all of them.

*shurg*

So Skydog what your telling me is that a team that has flu (mainly the Off) suddenly all step up and play 2-3 times better than they have all season, have the ball alot longer and all put up stats that do not match there skill set in any shape or form.

It's the NFL. On any given Sunday, a terrible team can go on the road and win against a playoff team.

Also the season stats for Johnson is the season record for carries, so a one off season for a team re-knowned for pounding the ball so i think its you who is using a tiny sample size not me

My sample size is *exactly* the same size as yours: one game. And it's an appropriate sample to refute your implication that a back should *NEVER* get 38 carries in a game. The best way to refute a statement about what should happen in game is to show contravening evidence from, well, one game. But if I were so inclined, I'm sure I could show you several more individual games in which a single NFL back had in the neighborhood of 38 carries.

[WelshWizard]

We have all had very frustrating moments like yourself with this game. However all these things you mention can and do happen in real life.

You mentioned that your stud QB has a shocker out of the blue as if it is impossible. Just take a look at this NFL Season. Brady has had an incredible year at the QB position. However against the Ravens he did not look so good.

13

@BAL

W 27-24

18

38

257

47.4

43

2

1

76.3

2

14

7.0

0

Great teams can lose against teams they are supposed to beat. I would move on from this and enjoy the game for what it is a game.

[larrymcg421]

What was your defensive gameplan like? A poorly designed gameplan can make a mediocre offense look great. As a Dolphins fan, I know this all too well.

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by WelshWizard

We have all had very frustrating moments like yourself with this game. However all these things you mention can and do happen in real life.

You mentioned that your stud QB has a shocker out of the blue as if it is impossible. Just take a look at this NFL Season. Brady has had an incredible year at the QB position. However against the Ravens he did not look so good.



Great teams can lose against teams they are supposed to beat. I would move on from this and enjoy the game for what it is a game.

My QB was due a bad game and i am not questioning that one bit although the oppositions D seemed to be in GL and run when i passed a lot , but a QB who is awful and his prior stats show that should not be able to step up and have stats that Brady would be proud of, he had the lowest experience and one stat above 50 and only 2 above 25. On his run game the OL had a 25% lower average endurance than my front 4 and i swap out my front four to keep them fresh and the backups are pretty good so running it 53 times at over 4ypc seems a very stange especially as the longest run was 25 yards so it was a steady run game, then you factor in the Flu dropping about 75% of his offence to fairly good and lower and it stinks.

Skydog yes i accept they have great athletic bodies but the Flu gave most of his offence fairly high or lower performance due to the Flu, so what a 10% 20% drop to the skill levels ?!?!?

[larrymcg421]

was due a bad game and i am not questioning that one bit although the oppositions D seemed to be in GL and run when i passed a lot , but a QB who is awful and his prior stats show that should not be able to step up and have stats that Brady would be proud of, he had the lowest experience and one stat above 50 and only 2 above 25.

Kyle Boller season QB rating: 75.2
Kyle Boller vs. Pats: 105.3

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

What was your defensive gameplan like? A poorly designed gameplan can make a mediocre offense look great. As a Dolphins fan, I know this all too well.

My gameplan was pretty good, well good enough to win me the last 3 straight and the opposition GM used what seems like exactly the same plan as he did the previous week because he had players back from injury who where a lot better that he did not put back in, so it seems likely he did not upload. I looked at what he did last week especially around the 1st Down scenario yet his QB was completing into double coverage and HB running through Sean Rogers and my much better DL regardless if i was in run or pass, in fact he seemed to gain more yards when i was in the right D and less when in the wrong D

What I want to understand is why this is happenning because i really can not see i am doing anything that much wrong, My D is good on paper but one week step up and the next have a mare for no apparent reason, My def cord is awesome apart for the Fair Motivation which may have something to do with it, my HC is great too with Vgood motivation, cohesion is good, i do have a red flag player though but no conflicts

[claretonmyshirt]

Sky Dog why is it that you seem to have to be right on everything and always try to take over threads,

Surely you can see that this game produced some very strange stats, the result is not important, it is the stats i am questioning, in sport freaks happen, a boxer may get a lucky punch, in soccer a deflected goal changes everything and the list goes on but never does a whole team step up and play 2-3 times better than there skill set or body allows them to all at once when they are riddled with flu, there would be at least a fewbad throws, a few blown plays, a back with flu would need to rest up for a few downs and list goes on

So sky Dog you seem to love your stats so please find me some where virtually the whole offence had flu, was outmatched and suddenly stepped up and ALL played out of there skins, come on i am dying to see it

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by claretonmyshirt

Skydog yes i accept they have great athletic bodies but the Flu gave most of his offence fairly high or lower performance due to the Flu, so what a 10% 20% drop to the skill levels ?!?!?

I don't know how the engine does "good days" and "bad days" (if they're all just the cumulative result of good/bad dice rolls in a given game, or if there's a pregame dice roll for each player to determine if he's going to play below, at, or above his ratings for the entire game.) Regardless of how the flu is calculated in with ratings, though, the "good day/bad day" factor should be of a magnitude such that it's able to trump the negative hit for the flu. It appears that you've missed it, but the "Sweet" comments above are referencing Walter "Sweetness" Payton. His greatest rushing performance of his career, and a record that would stand for three decades, came on day in which he had the flu. 40 (your magic number, not mine) carries, 275 yards.

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I don't know how the engine does "good days" and "bad days" (if they're all just the cumulative result of good/bad dice rolls in a given game, or if there's a pregame dice roll for each player to determine if he's going to play below, at, or above his ratings for the entire game.) Regardless of how the flu is calculated in with ratings, though, the "good day/bad day" factor should be of a magnitude such that it's able to trump the negative hit for the flu. It appears that you've missed it, but the "Sweet" comments above are referencing Walter "Sweetness" Payton. His greatest rushing performance of his career, and a record that would stand for three decades, came on day in which he had the flu. 40 (your magic number, not mine) carries, 275 yards.

he was running behind a great line for a great team and i do not expect his OL had flu and he had a terrible rookie QB who also threw for the perfect game with flu, his centre had a run block of 16 the RG 29 and strength of 11, come on please wake up and smell the Coffee

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by claretonmyshirt

he was running behind a great line for a great team

Actually, no. The Bears went 9-5 and got blown out 37-7 in the first round of the playoffs. Not a great team. But that's immaterial to my point--that Payton's GREATEST RUSHING PERFORMANCE EVER came on a day in which he had the flu. That's independent of any other factors at work that day. Compare this game to his other 189 games, and it's #1. It therefore supports the assertion that the "good day/bad day" factor (however FOF determines that) should be of greater significance than the negative hit from the flu. By that assertion, it also becomes possible that every single opposing player had a better-than-rated day. But my guess is that it's probably much more simple than that. Link to the box score?

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by Subby

dola

THE GAME DOES NOT USE DICE SO THESE PEOPLE SAYING BAD DICE THROWS ARE JUST MAKING SICK JOKE

It uses a random No generator and in this game it must of got stuck on the highest score for him

[Ben E Lou]

Yes. It must of.

[Raiders Army]

Roids can knock the flu right outta you. You should just be thankful there are no in-season suspensions.

Seriously though, you should look at the game log. If that team was up a bunch, they probably ran the ball a lot to run out the clock.

[Frozenrope]

Originally Posted by claretonmyshirt

he was running behind a great line for a great team and i do not expect his OL had flu and he had a terrible rookie QB who also threw for the perfect game with flu, his centre had a run block of 16 the RG 29 and strength of 11, come on please wake up and smell the Coffee

Ummm... not to rain on anyone's parade, but the 1977 Chicago Bears didn't have a great o-line nor a great quarterback when Payton broke the record. I don't think they had the flu, but they were by no means great. They had Dan Jiggets, firchrissakes!!!

If you want to see if the game is 'broken', replay this game 50 times, and see the results. If the flu-bitten players win 35 times, then there is more of an argument.

Methinks this was just an anomoly; one of those things that just 'happens'.

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Actually, no. The Bears went 9-5 and got blown out 37-7 in the first round of the playoffs. Not a great team. But that's immaterial to my point--that Payton's GREATEST RUSHING PERFORMANCE EVER came on a day in which he had the flu. That's independent of any other factors at work that day. Compare this game to his other 189 games, and it's #1. It therefore supports the assertion that the "good day/bad day" factor (however FOF determines that) should be of greater significance than the negative hit from the flu. By that assertion, it also becomes possible that every single opposing player had a better-than-rated day. But my guess is that it's probably much more simple than that. Link to the box score?

C:\Program Files\Solecismic Software\Front Office Football 2007\universe\lastboxlog.html

So explain how the rookie inexperienced QB stepped up when his stats b4 today where att123 comp63 3tds, 9ints and a rating well below 50

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by claretonmyshirt

C:\Program Files\Solecismic Software\Front Office Football 2007\universe\lastboxlog.html

Are you kidding?

[sovereignstar]

I just talked to god and was able to hunt this down. It's an image of all the dice throws in your particular game. Now you hunt down all the information I asked for in the 2nd post and we'll get serious.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by claretonmyshirt

C:\Program Files\Solecismic Software\Front Office Football 2007\universe\lastboxlog.html

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Please tell me you're just a troll, and not really this obtuse.

Repeated.

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by Frozenrope

Ummm... not to rain on anyone's parade, but the 1977 Chicago Bears didn't have a great o-line nor a great quarterback when Payton broke the record. I don't think they had the flu, but they were by no means great. They had Dan Jiggets, firchrissakes!!!

If you want to see if the game is 'broken', replay this game 50 times, and see the results. If the flu-bitten players win 35 times, then there is more of an argument.

Methinks this was just an anomoly; one of those things that just 'happens'.

how do i replay the game 50 times when its a mti player game (sorry if thats a stupid ?)

[QuikSand]

From the big picture perspective, if this sort of thing happened all the time, there might be cause for concern -- indicating there might be some sort of systemic problem.

Weird things happening in one game? Just bad dice rolls, that's all there is to it.

As for the guy relentlessly digging in his heels and taking on all comers? Come on, gang, we've seen this movie before. Time to move along, people.

[claretonmyshirt]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Repeated.

look at the QB stats and then look at what he has done before, the HB is not really the issue as you can mmaybe find reasons as t why it happened if you took the flue away, its the QB as he is truely awful and his prior stats show this without doubt

in my other muti player league I was 4-12 last year and could see why cos i made quite afew major f-ck ups with a bad a team, all i want to know is why this has happened so i can make sure it does not happen again

[Joe]

Originally Posted by claretonmyshirt

look at the QB stats and then look at what he has done before

how are we supposed to look at a file that's on your computer???