More Hattrick: Anyone ABOVE Div. 5?

rexalllsc · 03-11-2003, 07:34 PM

If so, where are you, and how do I get out of Div. 5?

vex · 03-11-2003, 07:36 PM

dataking, ardent, and raven are in Div. IV

McSweeny · 03-11-2003, 07:44 PM

if the league expands to 6 divisions next year and i finish last in div. 5 this year(which i will) does that mean i have a chance to be relegated? or will the new division be brand new teams only?

HornedFrog Purple · 03-11-2003, 07:52 PM

I doubt it, there would be no way to determine who in Div VI would be promoted.

If you did get demoted you would be my hero.

illinifan999 · 03-11-2003, 07:55 PM

You have to win your division, and then depending on how many points you have, you either get direct promotion, or have to play in a qulaifier game to get out of D5. But why would anyone want to leave D5? D5 is where real online soccer is played.

daedalus · 03-11-2003, 08:07 PM

Depending on the outcome of this weekend, DK may end up in D III. Ardent was in contention for a spot previously, not sure where he stands now.

vex · 03-11-2003, 08:19 PM

I think ardent is in 3rd right now, so he's out of it.

rexalllsc · 03-11-2003, 08:21 PM

I see...well here's my standings in D. V:

Team Played Goals Points
1. Else United 13 41 - 10 34

2. bixel's boys 13 19 - 13 23
3. FluffyBunnyFeet 13 18 - 15 23
4. FC Yurgonnadie 13 22 - 17 22
5. xenocide 13 11 - 16 17
6. Eugene Emeralds 13 11 - 16 13
7. SonyEriccson United 13 8 - 23 9
8. Des Conecticucados 13 6 - 26 5

vex · 03-11-2003, 08:25 PM

Hey, the Emeralds are a FOFC team as well, if I'm not mistaken.

rexalllsc · 03-11-2003, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vexroid
Hey, the Emeralds are a FOFC team as well, if I'm not mistaken.

Yep...JHandley's team.

JHandley · 03-11-2003, 08:56 PM

Does anyone here know if the talent on a new team is equal to their league standing? To better clarify, Rexalllsc and I both got our teams at almost the same time, yet he got a team on the verge of promotion and I have a team that's mired in the bottom of a division V league. I believe, and I could be mistaken, that I got all new players with my team, do the better teams keep their players or do they merely get better players?

illinifan999 · 03-11-2003, 09:00 PM

I don't know, but I also inherited a crappy ass team. I think they start off with the same players, but I don't know.

rexalllsc · 03-11-2003, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JHandley
Does anyone here know if the talent on a new team is equal to their league standing? To better clarify, Rexalllsc and I both got our teams at almost the same time, yet he got a team on the verge of promotion and I have a team that's mired in the bottom of a division V league. I believe, and I could be mistaken, that I got all new players with my team, do the better teams keep their players or do they merely get better players?

JHandley · 03-11-2003, 09:07 PM

That's what I'm wondering. If they start off with the same talent level, then Rexalllsc got screwed. If he's expected to compete for promotion or at the IV level with the same kind of players I have, he's in for a long long year.

RPI-Fan · 03-11-2003, 09:14 PM

I started in DIV. It kind of sucks - I've made some minor changes that I'm proud of (and even developed a passable playmaker recently), but the only team I can handle is the last-placed one, though I did control possession in a recent home game against the 5th placed team.

So, basically, I had too far to climb up, being as I only had half-a-season to improve on my 0 points and 0 goals through 7 games when I inherited the team.

bbor · 03-11-2003, 09:16 PM

I started my Canadian team in D4 also...it's been tough sledding

illinifan999 · 03-11-2003, 09:19 PM

That is what makes me think that you start off with players that are close to the same level as the other teams. Maybe strengths are in different places, but hearing stories about teams that start in D4 are screwed because they start with players that aer below the normal in D4.

daedalus · 03-11-2003, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bbor
I started my Canadian team in D4 also...it's been tough sledding

Is that US D7?

rexalllsc · 03-11-2003, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by daedalus
Is that US D7?

Actually it's D9.

rexalllsc · 03-11-2003, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by illinifan999
That is what makes me think that you start off with players that are close to the same level as the other teams. Maybe strengths are in different places, but hearing stories about teams that start in D4 are screwed because they start with players that aer below the normal in D4.

Interesting...I wonder if my squad has the talent to hang @ D-4...I should play someone here w/ a D-4 team in my friendly next week...anyone game?

McSweeny · 03-11-2003, 09:35 PM

or you could play a team like mine. 0 points with 3 league games left and they had only scored 1 goal all year when i took over. If i thump you that wouldn't be such a good sign

rexalllsc · 03-11-2003, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by McSweeny
or you could play a team like mine. 0 points with 3 league games left and they had only scored 1 goal all year when i took over. If i thump you that wouldn't be such a good sign

If you're in D-4...let's schedule one next week...ya?

McSweeny · 03-11-2003, 09:48 PM

no i'm in d-5, i was just saying if i could hold my own with ya then talents are probably pretty even. I do have a match for this week though

illinifan999 · 03-12-2003, 07:37 AM

McSeeny, I know how you feel, my team started off with something 3 goals for, and 47 against. When I looked at the previous owner's matches, they were all 5-0. Is that the score for a forfeit? And it only took me two season to develop a winning team, and am poised for a run next year.

McSweeny · 03-12-2003, 08:21 AM

well that's good to hear, i hope i'm poised for at least a 4th place fnish in the table next year

vex · 03-12-2003, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by illinifan999
When I looked at the previous owner's matches, they were all 5-0. Is that the score for a forfeit?

Yes, that's the forfeit score.

KWhit · 03-12-2003, 10:11 AM

I don't know what possessed me (maybe all the posts on this board perhaps?) but I finally signed up for this and am on the waiting list.

I know NOTHING about soccer or how to play this game. First question - what's a "Friendly"? Obviously it's a game (or match as those crazy footballers call it), but is it an exhibition? does it count in your standings?

vex · 03-12-2003, 10:15 AM

Yes, it is an exibition, and no, it doesn't count towards the standings. See, you know more than you thought

DataKing · 03-12-2003, 11:20 AM

I believe that new teams, no matter which division they start in (IV or V in the U.S.) receive randomly generated players of roughly the same talent level. Yes, there is some variation on that, so some teams may start with generally better talent than others.

When I received my team, I was fortunate in that I started with a passable keeper, and I had some talent at midfield and defense. But I didn't have anyone who could even pretend to play forward.

People that receive new teams in Div. IV are generally screwed, because they have to compete with teams that have presumably been around for a while. There are a couple of new teams in my Div. IV series, and they get stomped on regularly. If you start in Div. IV, I think it's best just to take your lumps, build up the best team you can, and try to dominate whichever Div. V series you land in next season after relegation.

And as daedalus mentioned, the results of this weekend's match will determine whether or not I get a shot at Division III next season. If I win, I'm in. A draw, and I will most likely have a qualification match. Lose, and I probably lose the series title.

Can you say 'MOTS?'

JHandley · 03-12-2003, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vexroid
Yes, that's the forfeit score.

This may be a silly question, but how do you forfeit? It's my understand that you set your lineups and then watch afterwards to see what happens. Are you required to atleast review your lineups?

Poli · 03-12-2003, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DataKing
I believe that new teams, no matter which division they start in (IV or V in the U.S.) receive randomly generated players of roughly the same talent level. Yes, there is some variation on that, so some teams may start with generally better talent than others.

When I received my team, I was fortunate in that I started with a passable keeper, and I had some talent at midfield and defense. But I didn't have anyone who could even pretend to play forward.

People that receive new teams in Div. IV are generally screwed, because they have to compete with teams that have presumably been around for a while. There are a couple of new teams in my Div. IV series, and they get stomped on regularly. If you start in Div. IV, I think it's best just to take your lumps, build up the best team you can, and try to dominate whichever Div. V series you land in next season after relegation.

And as daedalus mentioned, the results of this weekend's match will determine whether or not I get a shot at Division III next season. If I win, I'm in. A draw, and I will most likely have a qualification match. Lose, and I probably lose the series title.

Can you say 'MOTS?'

As I was reading through these posts, I kept telling myself that DK must have posted somewhere in here. Guess I missed telling my theory by a few hours.

Well said, I agree with your thoughts.

I was in contention by name only in my D4 series. Basically, I'm not in the same talent pool as the top two teams. My four losses this year were to them. A projected 10-4 record isn't bad, but isn't going to give you first place. For a while I sat in second place, but that was only for about 4 weeks until I got my first beating from the Superstars.

It's a good thing, because it means I can stockpile some talent and get better. Have a tough D4 series means I'll be more than ready for D3 when I finally get there.

rexalllsc · 03-12-2003, 01:09 PM

Ardent, want to come to my place for a friendly next week? I want to see how my squad matches up...

Poli · 03-12-2003, 01:31 PM

Rex, typically I play my B team in friendlies. My B team generally can't beat middle school teams.

In addition, we'll have to see how I do against Pilotman in the FOFC Cup. I doubt I win, but if I do, I'll have to continue in the Cup.

dacman · 03-12-2003, 01:38 PM

Ardent's B squad pasted my B team 7-1 last week and I'm in 1st in my division.

Coffee Warlord · 03-12-2003, 01:38 PM

Word to the wise. Assuming you are, like most people, training stamina, general, or set pieces in the offseason, this would be prime time to test out your starters in friendlies. Everyone on your team improves in those 3 fields, whether they play or not. Thusly, the only risk you run is injury.

JHandley · 03-12-2003, 02:34 PM

Are injuries carried over from season to season?

DataKing · 03-12-2003, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JHandley
Are injuries carried over from season to season?

Unfortunately they are carried over. One of the weakness in the game engine, if you ask me. The off-season is just a couple of weeks as far as the engine is concerned, rather than a significant amount of time (months).

Yellow and red cards do not carry over, by the way.

Vince · 03-12-2003, 02:41 PM

Ok, my team is guaranteed 5th place in D V for this season. I got my team like two weeks ago, and have decided to train playmaking...but I want to build up my experience with the 3-4-3 so I have an alternative. I know 4-5-1 would maximize my Midfielder training potential, but I think that 3-4-3 makes for a much better strategic alternative to the 4-5-1 when I usually run a 3-5-2 (that's my deduction, anyways...I'm really at a loss when it comes to soccer tactics

). Anyhow, I was wondering if I should get a head start and start training stamina now, and get an extra week of it in, or do you all think I should keep going at playmaking until the offseason starts?

DataKing · 03-12-2003, 02:50 PM

I don't see any problem with getting an early start on your stamina training. Just bear in mind that stamina training damages your form. The more you train stamina, the more damage will be done.

Stamina training is the single best way to improve your midfield play, and is highly advisable, so long as you can take the form hit.

Edit: Be prepared to pay higher player salaries next season, though. I am pretty sure that stamina level does affect the wage you will need to pay a player. These wages are re-calculated in a couple of weeks (at the same time that player aging occurs).

Vince · 03-12-2003, 02:56 PM

Ok...well lets say I train stamina this week (by the way, does changing training mid-week hurt you?). I take a form hit...since I don't care and it's the offseason, lets say I do it again the following week (first week of the offseason) even though everyone says a two week stamina bit is too much of a form hit to make it worth it. Then, in the second week of the offseason and maybe even the first week of the next season, I train general. Does that sound good, or would I just tank the hell out of my form? My form isn't all that great right now...maybe 2 passables, 3 inad's and the rest worse...but my team is still a few pieces away from being competitive, so I'm not too worried about losing a few games because my form sucks, as I run a pretty good chance of losing the games even if my form is good.

DataKing · 03-12-2003, 03:27 PM

So long as you don't mind the form hit that you will most likely take, then your plan sounds good to me. Unless you get very lucky with the form hits from stamina training, you will probably want a week of general training when you are done to help repair some of the damage.

And no, changing training type in mid-week doesn't hurt your training for that week.

Nyarlahotep · 03-12-2003, 03:32 PM

General would be a waste during the break. Only players that play get general training:

Training type Improves ...for... Impairs
General (Form) (All who played a game during the week)
(Goaltending) ((Goaltending))
Stamina Stamina All Form
Set Pieces Set Pieces All
Defending Defending Defenders (little slower than others) ((Others))
Scoring Scoring Forwards ((others))
Winger Winger Wingers - little faster than other (Wing backs) ((others))
Shooting (Scoring) (Outfielders) ((Others))
(Set Pieces) ((All))
Short passes Passing Midfielders and forwards ((Others))
Playmaking Midfield Inner midfielders (Wingers) ((Others))
Goaltending Goaltending Goalkeepers

You might want to alternate stamina and set pieces and then train general the first week of next season.

DataKing · 03-12-2003, 03:35 PM

Oops...I goofed.

Nyarlahotep is right. You'd want to wait for general training until the regular season starts.

dacman · 03-12-2003, 03:36 PM

Vince --- running a 3-4-3 against a good team will get you killed without absolute studs playing middie and defender. Not a tatic I would take with a young, new team. YMMV.

Try just sticking with 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 (always excellent). If you want/need more offense, set your winger(s) or the best passing/scoring inner middie to offensive with the 3-5-2. JMHO.

JHandley · 03-12-2003, 03:37 PM

Oh the same note, I thought everything was reset at the begining of the year, Self Confidence, Team Spirit, Supporter and Sponsor psychology?

Nyarlahotep · 03-12-2003, 03:40 PM

Yes, they are.

JHandley · 03-12-2003, 03:47 PM

So if your team is no where near contention for even a top 4 spot in the table, why not just go all out on Stamina for the rest of the year? Then go on a more regular training routine after the beginning of the next season.

McSweeny · 03-12-2003, 03:50 PM

that's exactly what i'm doing... is this a good idea?

DataKing · 03-12-2003, 03:50 PM

You can go that route if you like, but at this point you're looking at 4 weeks of stamina training before the next regular season starts (assuming you change to stamina training this week). Four weeks is likely to place your players' forms in the crapper big-time.

Edit: Just a word of warning.

JHandley · 03-12-2003, 03:55 PM

I think I'm missing something or I'm not explaining what I mean very well.

I understand that my form will go to hell, but I don't care as I've got nothing to play for this season. My main question is, will my form start at level at the beginning of next season?

03-11-2003, 07:52 PM	#4
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	I doubt it, there would be no way to determine who in Div VI would be promoted. If you did get demoted you would be my hero. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

03-11-2003, 07:55 PM	#5
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	You have to win your division, and then depending on how many points you have, you either get direct promotion, or have to play in a qulaifier game to get out of D5. But why would anyone want to leave D5? D5 is where real online soccer is played. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

03-11-2003, 09:00 PM	#12
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	I don't know, but I also inherited a crappy ass team. I think they start off with the same players, but I don't know. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

03-11-2003, 09:14 PM	#15
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	I started in DIV. It kind of sucks - I've made some minor changes that I'm proud of (and even developed a passable playmaker recently), but the only team I can handle is the last-placed one, though I did control possession in a recent home game against the 5th placed team. So, basically, I had too far to climb up, being as I only had half-a-season to improve on my 0 points and 0 goals through 7 games when I inherited the team. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

03-11-2003, 09:16 PM	#16
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	I started my Canadian team in D4 also...it's been tough sledding __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-11-2003, 07:36 PM	#2
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	dataking, ardent, and raven are in Div. IV

03-11-2003, 07:44 PM	#3
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	if the league expands to 6 divisions next year and i finish last in div. 5 this year(which i will) does that mean i have a chance to be relegated? or will the new division be brand new teams only?

03-11-2003, 08:07 PM	#6
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Depending on the outcome of this weekend, DK may end up in D III. Ardent was in contention for a spot previously, not sure where he stands now.

03-11-2003, 08:19 PM	#7
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	I think ardent is in 3rd right now, so he's out of it.

03-11-2003, 08:21 PM	#8
rexalllsc Banned Join Date: Feb 2003	I see...well here's my standings in D. V: Team Played Goals Points 1. Else United 13 41 - 10 34 2. bixel's boys 13 19 - 13 23 3. FluffyBunnyFeet 13 18 - 15 23 4. FC Yurgonnadie 13 22 - 17 22 5. xenocide 13 11 - 16 17 6. Eugene Emeralds 13 11 - 16 13 7. SonyEriccson United 13 8 - 23 9 8. Des Conecticucados 13 6 - 26 5

03-11-2003, 08:25 PM	#9
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Hey, the Emeralds are a FOFC team as well, if I'm not mistaken.

03-11-2003, 08:56 PM	#11
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Does anyone here know if the talent on a new team is equal to their league standing? To better clarify, Rexalllsc and I both got our teams at almost the same time, yet he got a team on the verge of promotion and I have a team that's mired in the bottom of a division V league. I believe, and I could be mistaken, that I got all new players with my team, do the better teams keep their players or do they merely get better players?

03-11-2003, 09:07 PM	#14
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	That's what I'm wondering. If they start off with the same talent level, then Rexalllsc got screwed. If he's expected to compete for promotion or at the IV level with the same kind of players I have, he's in for a long long year.

03-11-2003, 09:19 PM	#17
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	That is what makes me think that you start off with players that are close to the same level as the other teams. Maybe strengths are in different places, but hearing stories about teams that start in D4 are screwed because they start with players that aer below the normal in D4. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

03-11-2003, 09:35 PM	#21
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	or you could play a team like mine. 0 points with 3 league games left and they had only scored 1 goal all year when i took over. If i thump you that wouldn't be such a good sign

03-11-2003, 09:48 PM	#23
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	no i'm in d-5, i was just saying if i could hold my own with ya then talents are probably pretty even. I do have a match for this week though

03-12-2003, 07:37 AM	#24
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	McSeeny, I know how you feel, my team started off with something 3 goals for, and 47 against. When I looked at the previous owner's matches, they were all 5-0. Is that the score for a forfeit? And it only took me two season to develop a winning team, and am poised for a run next year. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

03-12-2003, 08:21 AM	#25
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	well that's good to hear, i hope i'm poised for at least a 4th place fnish in the table next year

03-12-2003, 10:11 AM	#27
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I don't know what possessed me (maybe all the posts on this board perhaps?) but I finally signed up for this and am on the waiting list. I know NOTHING about soccer or how to play this game. First question - what's a "Friendly"? Obviously it's a game (or match as those crazy footballers call it), but is it an exhibition? does it count in your standings?

03-12-2003, 10:15 AM	#28
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Yes, it is an exibition, and no, it doesn't count towards the standings. See, you know more than you thought

03-12-2003, 11:20 AM	#29
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	I believe that new teams, no matter which division they start in (IV or V in the U.S.) receive randomly generated players of roughly the same talent level. Yes, there is some variation on that, so some teams may start with generally better talent than others. When I received my team, I was fortunate in that I started with a passable keeper, and I had some talent at midfield and defense. But I didn't have anyone who could even pretend to play forward. People that receive new teams in Div. IV are generally screwed, because they have to compete with teams that have presumably been around for a while. There are a couple of new teams in my Div. IV series, and they get stomped on regularly. If you start in Div. IV, I think it's best just to take your lumps, build up the best team you can, and try to dominate whichever Div. V series you land in next season after relegation. And as daedalus mentioned, the results of this weekend's match will determine whether or not I get a shot at Division III next season. If I win, I'm in. A draw, and I will most likely have a qualification match. Lose, and I probably lose the series title. Can you say 'MOTS?' __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

03-12-2003, 01:09 PM	#32
rexalllsc Banned Join Date: Feb 2003	Ardent, want to come to my place for a friendly next week? I want to see how my squad matches up...

03-12-2003, 01:31 PM	#33
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Rex, typically I play my B team in friendlies. My B team generally can't beat middle school teams. In addition, we'll have to see how I do against Pilotman in the FOFC Cup. I doubt I win, but if I do, I'll have to continue in the Cup. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-12-2003, 01:38 PM	#34
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	Ardent's B squad pasted my B team 7-1 last week and I'm in 1st in my division. __________________ No signatures allowed.

03-12-2003, 01:38 PM	#35
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Word to the wise. Assuming you are, like most people, training stamina, general, or set pieces in the offseason, this would be prime time to test out your starters in friendlies. Everyone on your team improves in those 3 fields, whether they play or not. Thusly, the only risk you run is injury.

03-12-2003, 02:34 PM	#36
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Are injuries carried over from season to season?

03-12-2003, 02:41 PM	#38
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Ok, my team is guaranteed 5th place in D V for this season. I got my team like two weeks ago, and have decided to train playmaking...but I want to build up my experience with the 3-4-3 so I have an alternative. I know 4-5-1 would maximize my Midfielder training potential, but I think that 3-4-3 makes for a much better strategic alternative to the 4-5-1 when I usually run a 3-5-2 (that's my deduction, anyways...I'm really at a loss when it comes to soccer tactics ). Anyhow, I was wondering if I should get a head start and start training stamina now, and get an extra week of it in, or do you all think I should keep going at playmaking until the offseason starts? __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

03-12-2003, 02:50 PM	#39
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	I don't see any problem with getting an early start on your stamina training. Just bear in mind that stamina training damages your form. The more you train stamina, the more damage will be done. Stamina training is the single best way to improve your midfield play, and is highly advisable, so long as you can take the form hit. Edit: Be prepared to pay higher player salaries next season, though. I am pretty sure that stamina level does affect the wage you will need to pay a player. These wages are re-calculated in a couple of weeks (at the same time that player aging occurs). __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty) Last edited by DataKing : 03-12-2003 at 02:51 PM.

03-12-2003, 02:56 PM	#40
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Ok...well lets say I train stamina this week (by the way, does changing training mid-week hurt you?). I take a form hit...since I don't care and it's the offseason, lets say I do it again the following week (first week of the offseason) even though everyone says a two week stamina bit is too much of a form hit to make it worth it. Then, in the second week of the offseason and maybe even the first week of the next season, I train general. Does that sound good, or would I just tank the hell out of my form? My form isn't all that great right now...maybe 2 passables, 3 inad's and the rest worse...but my team is still a few pieces away from being competitive, so I'm not too worried about losing a few games because my form sucks, as I run a pretty good chance of losing the games even if my form is good. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

03-12-2003, 03:27 PM	#41
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	So long as you don't mind the form hit that you will most likely take, then your plan sounds good to me. Unless you get very lucky with the form hits from stamina training, you will probably want a week of general training when you are done to help repair some of the damage. And no, changing training type in mid-week doesn't hurt your training for that week. __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

03-12-2003, 03:32 PM	#42
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	General would be a waste during the break. Only players that play get general training: Training type Improves ...for... Impairs General (Form) (All who played a game during the week) (Goaltending) ((Goaltending)) Stamina Stamina All Form Set Pieces Set Pieces All Defending Defending Defenders (little slower than others) ((Others)) Scoring Scoring Forwards ((others)) Winger Winger Wingers - little faster than other (Wing backs) ((others)) Shooting (Scoring) (Outfielders) ((Others)) (Set Pieces) ((All)) Short passes Passing Midfielders and forwards ((Others)) Playmaking Midfield Inner midfielders (Wingers) ((Others)) Goaltending Goaltending Goalkeepers You might want to alternate stamina and set pieces and then train general the first week of next season. Last edited by Nyarlahotep : 03-12-2003 at 03:39 PM.

03-12-2003, 03:35 PM	#43
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	Oops...I goofed. Nyarlahotep is right. You'd want to wait for general training until the regular season starts. __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

03-12-2003, 03:36 PM	#44
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	Vince --- running a 3-4-3 against a good team will get you killed without absolute studs playing middie and defender. Not a tatic I would take with a young, new team. YMMV. Try just sticking with 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 (always excellent). If you want/need more offense, set your winger(s) or the best passing/scoring inner middie to offensive with the 3-5-2. JMHO. __________________ No signatures allowed.

03-12-2003, 03:37 PM	#45
JHandley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle	Oh the same note, I thought everything was reset at the begining of the year, Self Confidence, Team Spirit, Supporter and Sponsor psychology?

03-12-2003, 03:40 PM	#46
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	Yes, they are.