why the raiders suck

Pyser · 02-28-2008, 01:59 PM

espn says the raiders just signed some de with 13 career sacks to a 50m dollar deal, with the idea of moving him to dt.

but its the biggest dt deal ever. guy never played the position before.

oh yeah, he blew out his knee last year, too.

good luck with all that, guys.

MikeVic · 02-28-2008, 02:02 PM

Dr. Sak · 02-28-2008, 02:03 PM

Why isnt jbmagic all over this?

Pyser · 02-28-2008, 02:03 PM

future hall of famer tommy kelly

MikeVic · 02-28-2008, 02:04 PM

Who's Tommy Kelly.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-28-2008, 02:04 PM

+1 on the "Who?"

The Oakland Raiders stepped forward Thursday on the eve of free agency and signed Tommy Kelly to the largest contract ever given to a defensive tackle.

Kelly, a defensive end scheduled to move to defensive tackle this season, signed a seven-year, $50.5 million contract Thursday that has $18.125 million in guarantees. In the first three years of the deal, he will make $25.125 million.

The Raiders' plan is for the 300-pound Kelly to replace the retiring Warren Sapp as the three-technique defensive tackle in the Raiders' 4-3 defense. The move is similar to the one made last year by the Detroit Lions' Cory Redding, a franchise player who signed a seven-year, $47.5 million deal last summer, the highest among defensive tackles at the time.

Lathum · 02-28-2008, 02:09 PM

do we really need a thread to tell us that the Raiders still suck?

Pyser · 02-28-2008, 02:15 PM

my thread attempts to discuss why, and backs it up with proof.

crazy, ridiculous proof.

MikeVic · 02-28-2008, 02:16 PM

Who's their QB again?

Dr. Sak · 02-28-2008, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Who's their QB again?

Jeff George

rkmsuf · 02-28-2008, 02:22 PM

They should have signed his brother, Johnny Kelley.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-28-2008, 02:26 PM

For that much money they should also get his sister, Kelly Kelley.

MikeVic · 02-28-2008, 02:30 PM

Mmm Kelly Kapowski.

Ksyrup · 02-28-2008, 02:42 PM

I like how the article says he was "scheduled to move to DT," as if it was a league decision or something.

Apathetic Lurker · 02-28-2008, 08:35 PM

would have been better off to sign Leroy Kelly

Rizon · 02-28-2008, 09:13 PM

Chokeland Faiders. Nuff said.

MrDNA · 02-28-2008, 10:04 PM

He's actually a pretty good player. That being said - whiskey tango foxtrot?

bhlloy · 02-28-2008, 10:09 PM

You mean hiring a 31 year old college co-OC (and one who wasn't a very good one at that) as your head coach and then giving him less than a year with one of the worst teams in the NFL before trying and failing to fire him didn't tip you off to the fact that the Raiders sucked?

If you ever wondered what would happen if a crazy guy ran an NFL team, now you know. Can't the Raiders get Al Davis committed or declared unfit to own a business or something?

JPhillips · 02-28-2008, 10:13 PM

How do they determine position for franchise salaries? Is it by games started, total plays or whatever the team lists you as?

bhlloy · 02-28-2008, 10:17 PM

I believe it's a percentage of total plays (in fact I just looked it up, and in the Terrell Suggs case, the NFL and the NFLPA set it at 50%, which makes sense) . If it was what the team lists you as, I think you would see a number of 300lb+ men being listed as the starting punter all of a sudden...

BYU 14 · 02-28-2008, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

If it was what the team lists you as, I think you would see a number of 300lb+ men being listed as the starting punter all of a sudden...

If the Raiders did that at least they would have a bookend for their 300 lb Kicker...

Zelig · 02-28-2008, 10:52 PM

I was hoping for Jim Kelly. The Original One.

Danny · 02-28-2008, 11:03 PM

Actually, he's played a lot of DT before. He would rotate in and out of playing DE/DT. He is better at the tackle position, but he was too similar to Sapp to play alongside him. He's a good player who they overpaid to retain.

MikeVic · 02-28-2008, 11:22 PM

Who's this Zelig fellow?

EagleFan · 02-28-2008, 11:57 PM

Raiders looking good this offseason...

Pyser · 03-05-2008, 12:12 PM

$55m for javon walker.

it just keeps getting better

Raiders Army · 03-05-2008, 12:23 PM

Unfortunately, due to the absolute dysfunctional climate in Oakland they will have to overpay any free agents they get. The Raiders' biggest problem is Al Davis and until he dies, the situation there will never get better. I respect and love what he did with the team, but at this point he's an anachronistic remnant of the glory days.

Pyser · 03-05-2008, 12:35 PM

yes and no. gibril wilson was "coming home" and they still made him the 3rd highest paid safety

Danny · 03-05-2008, 01:05 PM

Wilson was the one guy they got who they didn't overpay in this market. You can't evaluate a signing based on "3rd", "4th" or even "1st" highest on the position. The cap increases each year and free agent payouts go up. In a couple years, his 3rd will turn into 9th or 10th. As I said in the other thread and like Raiders Army said they have to overpay to bring in talent. I still think its better than doing nothing.

heybrad · 03-05-2008, 01:44 PM

This thread should have started and stopped with this image.

miami_fan · 03-05-2008, 01:58 PM

Is it really as simple as Al Davis is the problem? Maybe I am not giving Al enough credt but I don't see Al Davis at this point in his life looking for a Gibril Wilson or a Tommy Kelly much less signing them to huge deals. Jerry Jones? Yeah but not Al. I have no idea what the player evaluation structure is for the Raiders, so I could be completely wrong. Maybe Al is still breaking down tape and such.

Eaglesfan27 · 03-05-2008, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Is it really as simple as Al Davis is the problem? Maybe I am not giving Al enough credt but I don't see Al Davis at this point in his life looking for a Gibril Wilson or a Tommy Kelly much less signing them to huge deals. Jerry Jones? Yeah but not Al. I have no idea what the player evaluation structure is for the Raiders, so I could be completely wrong. Maybe Al is still breaking down tape and such.

I think Al isn't breaking down tape but is making personnel decision. Hence, he is a huge part of the reason the Raiders suck.

Raiders Army · 03-05-2008, 03:53 PM

If it's a defensive player signing, you can be sure that Al Davis at least okayed it.

MIJB#19 · 03-06-2008, 08:17 AM

I guess that's what you get when the FA Market is so thin and teams have lots of cap room. I suggest the NFL should addopt a ruling that only allows teams to negotiate contracts with players in their last year of contract.

M GO BLUE!!! · 03-06-2008, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heybrad

Real Men Wear Black.

Brownkeg8 · 03-06-2008, 10:58 AM

AL is the problem- look at J.Russell the big reason his holdout lasted so long is the Raiders were waiting for the revenue sharing money to arrive, they couldnt pay him the huge bonus otherwise. This year they are looking to trade out of #4 for the same reason. Those are owner issues.

SteveMax58 · 03-06-2008, 10:39 PM

A little late for this as I didnt see the thread when it originally came out, but....

Al: OK....now that we got that Tommie Kelly guy signed we should be set on defense. With him and Gibril Wilson, I expect us to put some QB's down haad!

Lane: Yeah...well, I think you have the wrong guys Al. Dont you mean Tommie Harris and Adrian Wilson? Like we talked about last week? Remember?

Al: Umm...yeah, thats the guys.

Lane: Are you shitting me old man? Exactly WHO IN THE FUCK did you sign?

Al: Look Lane...those guys werent interested in playing for you...as I recall. So we got the next best thing.

SackAttack · 03-06-2008, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveMax58

A little late for this as I didnt see the thread when it originally came out, but....

Al: OK....now that we got that Tommie Kelly guy signed we should be set on defense. With him and Gibril Wilson, I expect us to put some QB's down haad!

Lane: Yeah...well, I think you have the wrong guys Al. Dont you mean Tommie Harris and Adrian Wilson? Like we talked about last week? Remember?

Al: Umm...yeah, thats the guys.

Lane: Are you shitting me old man? Exactly WHO IN THE FUCK did you sign?

Al: Look Lane...those guys werent interested in playing for you...as I recall. So we got the next best thing.

I'm dying laughing here. Especially at Lane's second line.

Atocep · 03-06-2008, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I think Al isn't breaking down tape but is making personnel decision. Hence, he is a huge part of the reason the Raiders suck.

PTI had Warren Sapp on today and he was asked if the team was as dysfunctional as it appears to outsiders and in a round about way he said that that it is.

He mentioned that the Raiders players have no clue who makes personnel decisions and they would joke during practice guessing what the job of certain guys that would show up to watch is.

Pyser · 03-18-2008, 07:37 PM

i just love this thread this offseason

$70m to deangelo hall.

02-28-2008, 02:02 PM	#2
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Who.

02-28-2008, 02:04 PM	#6
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	+1 on the "Who?" The Oakland Raiders stepped forward Thursday on the eve of free agency and signed Tommy Kelly to the largest contract ever given to a defensive tackle. Kelly, a defensive end scheduled to move to defensive tackle this season, signed a seven-year, $50.5 million contract Thursday that has $18.125 million in guarantees. In the first three years of the deal, he will make $25.125 million. The Raiders' plan is for the 300-pound Kelly to replace the retiring Warren Sapp as the three-technique defensive tackle in the Raiders' 4-3 defense. The move is similar to the one made last year by the Detroit Lions' Cory Redding, a franchise player who signed a seven-year, $47.5 million deal last summer, the highest among defensive tackles at the time. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

02-28-2008, 02:22 PM	#11
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	They should have signed his brother, Johnny Kelley. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

02-28-2008, 02:26 PM	#12
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	For that much money they should also get his sister, Kelly Kelley. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

02-28-2008, 02:42 PM	#14
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I like how the article says he was "scheduled to move to DT," as if it was a league decision or something. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

02-28-2008, 02:03 PM	#3
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Why isnt jbmagic all over this?

02-28-2008, 02:03 PM	#4
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	future hall of famer tommy kelly

02-28-2008, 02:09 PM	#7
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	do we really need a thread to tell us that the Raiders still suck?

02-28-2008, 02:15 PM	#8
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	my thread attempts to discuss why, and backs it up with proof. crazy, ridiculous proof.

02-28-2008, 02:16 PM	#9
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Who's their QB again?

02-28-2008, 02:30 PM	#13
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Mmm Kelly Kapowski.

02-28-2008, 08:35 PM	#15
Apathetic Lurker College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo,NY	would have been better off to sign Leroy Kelly

02-28-2008, 10:04 PM	#17
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	He's actually a pretty good player. That being said - whiskey tango foxtrot? __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

02-28-2008, 10:09 PM	#18
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	You mean hiring a 31 year old college co-OC (and one who wasn't a very good one at that) as your head coach and then giving him less than a year with one of the worst teams in the NFL before trying and failing to fire him didn't tip you off to the fact that the Raiders sucked? If you ever wondered what would happen if a crazy guy ran an NFL team, now you know. Can't the Raiders get Al Davis committed or declared unfit to own a business or something?

02-28-2008, 10:13 PM	#19
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	How do they determine position for franchise salaries? Is it by games started, total plays or whatever the team lists you as? __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-28-2008, 10:17 PM	#20
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I believe it's a percentage of total plays (in fact I just looked it up, and in the Terrell Suggs case, the NFL and the NFLPA set it at 50%, which makes sense) . If it was what the team lists you as, I think you would see a number of 300lb+ men being listed as the starting punter all of a sudden...

02-28-2008, 10:52 PM	#22
Zelig Mascot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 6721 Foxpointe Road Fort Worth, TX 76132	I was hoping for Jim Kelly. The Original One.

02-28-2008, 11:03 PM	#23
Danny General Manager Join Date: Jul 2001	Actually, he's played a lot of DT before. He would rotate in and out of playing DE/DT. He is better at the tackle position, but he was too similar to Sapp to play alongside him. He's a good player who they overpaid to retain. Last edited by Danny : 02-29-2008 at 10:50 AM.

02-28-2008, 11:22 PM	#24
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Who's this Zelig fellow?

02-28-2008, 11:57 PM	#25
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Raiders looking good this offseason...

03-05-2008, 12:12 PM	#26
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	$55m for javon walker. it just keeps getting better

03-05-2008, 12:23 PM	#27
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Unfortunately, due to the absolute dysfunctional climate in Oakland they will have to overpay any free agents they get. The Raiders' biggest problem is Al Davis and until he dies, the situation there will never get better. I respect and love what he did with the team, but at this point he's an anachronistic remnant of the glory days.

03-05-2008, 12:35 PM	#28
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	yes and no. gibril wilson was "coming home" and they still made him the 3rd highest paid safety

03-05-2008, 01:05 PM	#29
Danny General Manager Join Date: Jul 2001	Wilson was the one guy they got who they didn't overpay in this market. You can't evaluate a signing based on "3rd", "4th" or even "1st" highest on the position. The cap increases each year and free agent payouts go up. In a couple years, his 3rd will turn into 9th or 10th. As I said in the other thread and like Raiders Army said they have to overpay to bring in talent. I still think its better than doing nothing.

03-05-2008, 01:44 PM	#30
heybrad Norm!!! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Manassas, VA	This thread should have started and stopped with this image.

03-05-2008, 01:58 PM	#31
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Is it really as simple as Al Davis is the problem? Maybe I am not giving Al enough credt but I don't see Al Davis at this point in his life looking for a Gibril Wilson or a Tommy Kelly much less signing them to huge deals. Jerry Jones? Yeah but not Al. I have no idea what the player evaluation structure is for the Raiders, so I could be completely wrong. Maybe Al is still breaking down tape and such. __________________ "Do not be indifferent in the face of historical lies. Do not be indifferent when you see the past being exploited for the needs of contemporary politics. Do not be indifferent when any minority suffers discrimination. For it's the essence of democracy that the majority wields the power, but at the same time, the rights of the minority must be respected." Marian Turski- former prisoner of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration and death camp

03-05-2008, 03:53 PM	#33
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	If it's a defensive player signing, you can be sure that Al Davis at least okayed it.

03-06-2008, 08:17 AM	#34
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	I guess that's what you get when the FA Market is so thin and teams have lots of cap room. I suggest the NFL should addopt a ruling that only allows teams to negotiate contracts with players in their last year of contract. __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

03-06-2008, 10:58 AM	#36
Brownkeg8 Mascot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio	AL is the problem- look at J.Russell the big reason his holdout lasted so long is the Raiders were waiting for the revenue sharing money to arrive, they couldnt pay him the huge bonus otherwise. This year they are looking to trade out of #4 for the same reason. Those are owner issues.

03-06-2008, 10:39 PM	#37
SteveMax58 College Starter Join Date: Dec 2006	A little late for this as I didnt see the thread when it originally came out, but.... Al: OK....now that we got that Tommie Kelly guy signed we should be set on defense. With him and Gibril Wilson, I expect us to put some QB's down haad! Lane: Yeah...well, I think you have the wrong guys Al. Dont you mean Tommie Harris and Adrian Wilson? Like we talked about last week? Remember? Al: Umm...yeah, thats the guys. Lane: Are you shitting me old man? Exactly WHO IN THE FUCK did you sign? Al: Look Lane...those guys werent interested in playing for you...as I recall. So we got the next best thing. Last edited by SteveMax58 : 03-06-2008 at 10:39 PM.

03-18-2008, 07:37 PM	#40
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	i just love this thread this offseason $70m to deangelo hall.

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