Red Sox threaten Japan Boycott

molson · 03-19-2008, 09:42 AM

This would definitely be an interesting start to the season. The Sox say they're not getting on the plane this afternoon unless the coaches are paid what was originally part of the deal for this trip.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...ona_irked.html

Oilers9911 · 03-19-2008, 09:52 AM

A 40k stipend for going on this trip is ridiculous in of itself. Having said that, if it was promised to them it should be paid. But 40k is still crazy.

Drake · 03-19-2008, 09:55 AM

1. I think it's a good sign that the team is sticking together on this.

2. I wish someone would pay me $40k to go to Japan.

3. Hell, I wish someone would pay me $40k to go to Hoboken.

miked · 03-19-2008, 09:56 AM

40k may be a lot for the coaches, but I think the major problem is how much money the MLB stands to make off this. Think of it sort of like profit sharing I guess.

Ksyrup · 03-19-2008, 10:02 AM

COACHES NEED A UNION!

vtbub · 03-19-2008, 10:08 AM

If that is what they were promised to make this trip that frankly screws with a shortened spring training and nasty start to the regular seson, then they should get what they were told.

Bravo!

SirFozzie · 03-19-2008, 10:30 AM

Yup. MLB seems to have majorly shot themselves in the foot by promising that the terms covered coaches and support personell, and then deciding it would be cheaper to take it away.

Fire Selig

Young Drachma · 03-19-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by miked

40k may be a lot for the coaches, but I think the major problem is how much money the MLB stands to make off this. Think of it sort of like profit sharing I guess.

+1

It's just one of the things that goes along with it. People always look at sports pay or salaries or perks and get outraged. But someone is willing to pay it and the people who do what they do, do it better than anyone else in the world. I don't see what the problem here is.

The players probably don't feel like wasting their time over in Japan anyway, so this is probably a combination of "we don't feel like going anyway" and "MLB is gonna pony up..."

It'll get resolved and the coaches will get their money.

Lathum · 03-19-2008, 11:12 AM

anyone who is interested the Red Sox game is supposed to be on ESPN right now and they are refusing to take the field but there is alot of coverage of whats going on

molson · 03-19-2008, 11:15 AM

It's hard to see MLB bending on this, it'd be a horrible precedent to give into a threat like this. But they also stand to lose a ton of money.

And at the moment, they're actually sitting on the bench, refusing to take the field in their last Florida game.

Jason Varitek: "We're not playing until this is resolved."

molson · 03-19-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilers9911

A 40k stipend for going on this trip is ridiculous in of itself.

Agreed, but to find two teams willing to disadvantage themselves with this kind of crazy roadtrip, you're going to need to really make it worth it to them. Schilling and Lowe say there's been other promises taken back since they committed to the trip, so this seems like more of a "last straw" kind of thing.

Radii · 03-19-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

It's hard to see MLB bending on this, it'd be a horrible precedent to give into a threat like this. But they also stand to lose a ton of money.

It seems like a much worse precedent is set by getting Oakland and Boston to agree to this crazy travel and schedule and then take away part of the compensation that is part of that agreement and still expect the teams to hold up their end of the bargain without incident.

Lathum · 03-19-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Radii

It seems like a much worse precedent is set by getting Oakland and Boston to agree to this crazy travel and schedule and then take away part of the compensation that is part of that agreement and still expect the teams to hold up their end of the bargain without incident.

exactly.

If there was an agreement in writting I don't see how the Sox are setting a precenent.

molson · 03-19-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

exactly.

If there was an agreement in writting I don't see how the Sox are setting a precenent.

I doubt it's as simple as a signed contract that MLB is just suddenly deciding not to comply with. I'm sure there was a provision that allowed this kind of change under some kind of circumstances, or that this "promise" was somehow otherwise not legally binding. It doesn't make it right.

Critch · 03-19-2008, 11:31 AM

Did MLB actually agree to give 40k to the coaches too? The article says that the Red Sox had assumed that it would be the case, but doesn't say that it was ever agreed.

Lathum · 03-19-2008, 11:32 AM

I think it was cool of Varitek to say that if the game was cancelled they would sit and sign autographs for the fans

Honolulu_Blue · 03-19-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

exactly.

If there was an agreement in writting I don't see how the Sox are setting a precenent.

Apparently the agreement is not in writing, but was verbal. I assume that's where all of this confusion is coming from.

These players should stop whining, give the coaches their stipends, if it means so much to them, and move. Who needs a $40,000 stipend for a week's trip to Japan?

Boo hoo, we have to go to Japan. Boo hoo, our lives are soooo hard because we have to travel to Japan and play baseball.

I've travelled to Japan from DC for work, had to check into the hotel, drop my bags off, take a 5 minute shower, and head out to interview clients for 12 hours. I didn't get to sleep and got 0$ in a stipend.

Suck it up, bitches.

Ksyrup · 03-19-2008, 11:40 AM

Why isn't the team stepping in and agreeing to pay the coaches, if the league is balking? Is that not the easiest solution?

Ksyrup · 03-19-2008, 11:41 AM

HONOLULU_BLUE NEEDS A UNION!

Jas_lov · 03-19-2008, 11:41 AM

No, they shouldn't suck it up. If MLB promised them a $40,000 stipend for all coaches and players, it should be honored. If they reneged on the deal like the Boston players claim, then they have a right to be angry and boycott. I am a Yankees fan, but I think what they're doing here sticking up for their coahces is awesome. If a deal was agreed to, it should be honored as such.

SirFozzie · 03-19-2008, 11:41 AM

Fuck that, H_B. They were told the coaches would get the 40K (which is a 40% bonus to these folks), plain and simple. The players did not approve this until it was made clear the coaches would be paid.

Why the fuck should the players make up for MLB's reneging on their deal. I'm listening to the WEEI feed right now, and the coaches on the previous trip got the exact same stipend the players did. MLB thought because it was not in writing, they could save some money and be cheap.

The Fort Myers police are apparently going to line folks up for autographs.. I don't think they're going to play a game today.

SirFozzie · 03-19-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Why isn't the team stepping in and agreeing to pay the coaches, if the league is balking? Is that not the easiest solution?

Because why do the PLAYERS have to pay for something MLB won't pay? If players didn't vote clubhouse workers a share of playoff money or something like that, should MLB step in and make it right?

molson · 03-19-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Boo hoo, we have to go to Japan. Boo hoo, our lives are soooo hard because we have to travel to Japan and play baseball.

I've travelled to Japan from DC for work, had to check into the hotel, drop my bags off, take a 5 minute shower, and head out to interview clients for 12 hours. I didn't get to sleep and got 0$ in a stipend.

Suck it up, bitches.

This is always my most favorite fan reaction - "my life is so much worse than a professional athlete, so they shouldn't complain about anything".

Your life is better than most in the world HB, I hope you're consistent and never complain about anything yourself.

Lathum · 03-19-2008, 11:47 AM

Throw me in the anti HB camp.

If they were promised the money they should get it. MLB wants this trip, not the players and coaches.

By all accounts the average coach doesn't make alot of money. 40K is life changing for some of them.

Lathum · 03-19-2008, 11:50 AM

looks like they may play the game

DeToxRox · 03-19-2008, 11:52 AM

why didn't Oakland get this same promise? I would be more pissed if I were them because apparently no deal was made with them. Are they bitching?

molson · 03-19-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

looks like they may play the game

If they're doing that, they're definitely going to Japan no matter what.

SirFozzie · 03-19-2008, 11:52 AM

1:10 start.

Lathum · 03-19-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

1:10 start.

thank god, I was afraid I would have to watch Judge Judy instead

molson · 03-19-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

why didn't Oakland get this same promise? I would be more pissed if I were them because apparently no deal was made with them. Are they bitching?

Apparently the Sox found out about this through the A's coaches, who had known for a while they weren't getting paid. The implication there is that they had the same deal, but nobody can be sure.

DeToxRox · 03-19-2008, 11:54 AM

I got HBs back. Oakland County rides together and dies together.

molson · 03-19-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

1:10 start.

So the Sox made everyone wait around for an hour and now it's over.

Maybe this was all just a big scheme to cover up Manny Ramirez getting lost on the way to the park.

DeToxRox · 03-19-2008, 11:58 AM

so so Oakland knows they got screwed too and decide to sack up? Keep in mind that is a much more notoriously cheap organization then any team in the MLB and could use it more and they are being pros about. Shit happens. Cowboy Up Boston.

MrBug708 · 03-19-2008, 11:58 AM

If Boston doesn't take the field make them forfeit. It's a chance to promote the game in another country on an all expense paid trip. It's to freaking Japan, not Cambodia for crying out loud.

JD Drew should just pay for their salaries. He's taking 14.4 million a season to be average, he should suck it up.

It's funny to see the Red Sox suddenly counting pennies

Ksyrup · 03-19-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Because why do the PLAYERS have to pay for something MLB won't pay? If players didn't vote clubhouse workers a share of playoff money or something like that, should MLB step in and make it right?

I'm referring to the "team" - the Boston Red Sox - not the players on the team. The team is a part of MLB, and if MLB promised something, the team should step up and pay, and then have a quiet conversation with Selig about getting reimbursed. Instead, they've turned this into yet another ugly PR gaffe for MLB.

Lathum · 03-19-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

If Boston doesn't take the field make them forfeit. It's a chance to promote the game in another country on an all expense paid trip. It's to freaking Japan, not Cambodia for crying out loud.

JD Drew should just pay for their salaries. He's taking 14.4 million a season to be average, he should suck it up.

It's funny to see the Red Sox suddenly counting pennies

do you seriously think this should be considered an all expenses paid trip to Japan?

By the time they get over their jet lag they have to play 2 games, then fly right back to California to play some more and end up being on the road for 19 straight days to start their season.

Anyone who considers this a "trip" is sorely mistaken

Dr. Sak · 03-19-2008, 12:04 PM

Well that $40,000 covers the extra costs for bringing all those camera on the trip to film Oakland's signs.

Crapshoot · 03-19-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

If Boston doesn't take the field make them forfeit. It's a chance to promote the game in another country on an all expense paid trip. It's to freaking Japan, not Cambodia for crying out loud.

JD Drew should just pay for their salaries. He's taking 14.4 million a season to be average, he should suck it up.

It's funny to see the Red Sox suddenly counting pennies

Man, I always find it money to see other idiots tell ppl they don't deserve the funds they have agreed to. I demand you work for free - its a "privilege".

MLB - aka Bud Selig - always classy.

Lathum · 03-19-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm referring to the "team" - the Boston Red Sox - not the players on the team. The team is a part of MLB, and if MLB promised something, the team should step up and pay, and then have a quiet conversation with Selig about getting reimbursed. Instead, they've turned this into yet another ugly PR gaffe for MLB.

so should each team have to pony up the money since they are all part of MLB?

MrBug708 · 03-19-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

do you seriously think this should be considered an all expenses paid trip to Japan?

By the time they get over their jet lag they have to play 2 games, then fly right back to California to play some more and end up being on the road for 19 straight days to start their season.

Anyone who considers this a "trip" is sorely mistaken

Ya, those Jet Lagged Coaches are really going to make the Red Sox lose some games. I hope Gary Tuck won't cost them some late inning bullpen strategy...

MrBug708 · 03-19-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Man, I always find it money to see other idiots tell ppl they don't deserve the funds they have agreed to. I demand you work for free - its a "privilege".

MLB - aka Bud Selig - always classy.

Idiots?

Crapshoot, Giants fan - always classy...

Lathum · 03-19-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Ya, those Jet Lagged Coaches are really going to make the Red Sox lose some games. I hope Gary Tuck won't cost them some late inning bullpen strategy...

the coaches will have to work harder then the players.

Have you ever been to Asia?

It isn't the kind of trip you want to do in a short time span.

MrBug708 · 03-19-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

the coaches will have to work harder then the players.

Have you ever been to Asia?

It isn't the kind of trip you want to do in a short time span.

Oh ya? Enlighten me...

albionmoonlight · 03-19-2008, 12:11 PM

Gary Bettman has got to be loving this. The race for "biggest PR gaffe by a major league in the last twenty years" has just been reopened.

molson · 03-19-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Ya, those Jet Lagged Coaches are really going to make the Red Sox lose some games. I hope Gary Tuck won't cost them some late inning bullpen strategy...

What the hell are you talking about? Why are you debating jet lag? Do you have a comprehension of the issues here?

DeToxRox · 03-19-2008, 12:13 PM

even this thread is all about Boston. Like I said someone show me where Oakland is acting like children and Ill show the Sox some sympathy but until then guess what you got screwed. Happens to everyone every day.

Lathum · 03-19-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Oh ya? Enlighten me...

It can take a while to recover, like I said, it isn't a vacation for these guys

molson · 03-19-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

even this thread is all about Boston. Like I said someone show me where Oakland is acting like children and Ill show the Sox some sympathy but until then guess what you got screwed. Happens to everyone every day.

Nope, the A's were quite happy to bend over and take it. Their coaches are probably annoyed that their players didn't give a damn (as long as they themselves were taken care of).

The Sox players are yelling about other people not getting paid. How is that not sympathetic?

MrBug708 · 03-19-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

What the hell are you talking about? Why are you debating jet lag? Do you have a comprehension of the issues here?

The thread is about coaches pay right? I'm not following about how it will affect on field performance

molson · 03-19-2008, 12:17 PM

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even this thread is all about Boston.

Right, that was my fault. I did consider putting "A's threaten Japan Boycott" as the thread title, just to not be so Boston-centric, but I figured that might be misleading.

03-19-2008, 09:56 AM	#4
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	40k may be a lot for the coaches, but I think the major problem is how much money the MLB stands to make off this. Think of it sort of like profit sharing I guess. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

03-19-2008, 10:02 AM	#5
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	COACHES NEED A UNION! __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-19-2008, 10:08 AM	#6
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	If that is what they were promised to make this trip that frankly screws with a shortened spring training and nasty start to the regular seson, then they should get what they were told. Bravo! __________________

03-19-2008, 10:30 AM	#7
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Yup. MLB seems to have majorly shot themselves in the foot by promising that the terms covered coaches and support personell, and then deciding it would be cheaper to take it away. Fire Selig __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-19-2008, 11:15 AM	#10
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	It's hard to see MLB bending on this, it'd be a horrible precedent to give into a threat like this. But they also stand to lose a ton of money. And at the moment, they're actually sitting on the bench, refusing to take the field in their last Florida game. Jason Varitek: "We're not playing until this is resolved." Last edited by molson : 03-19-2008 at 11:16 AM.

03-19-2008, 09:52 AM	#2
Oilers9911 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2006	A 40k stipend for going on this trip is ridiculous in of itself. Having said that, if it was promised to them it should be paid. But 40k is still crazy.

03-19-2008, 09:55 AM	#3
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	1. I think it's a good sign that the team is sticking together on this. 2. I wish someone would pay me $40k to go to Japan. 3. Hell, I wish someone would pay me $40k to go to Hoboken.

03-19-2008, 11:12 AM	#9
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	anyone who is interested the Red Sox game is supposed to be on ESPN right now and they are refusing to take the field but there is alot of coverage of whats going on

03-19-2008, 11:31 AM	#15
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	Did MLB actually agree to give 40k to the coaches too? The article says that the Red Sox had assumed that it would be the case, but doesn't say that it was ever agreed.

03-19-2008, 11:32 AM	#16
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think it was cool of Varitek to say that if the game was cancelled they would sit and sign autographs for the fans

03-19-2008, 11:40 AM	#18
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Why isn't the team stepping in and agreeing to pay the coaches, if the league is balking? Is that not the easiest solution? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-19-2008, 11:41 AM	#19
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	HONOLULU_BLUE NEEDS A UNION! __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-19-2008, 11:41 AM	#20
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	No, they shouldn't suck it up. If MLB promised them a $40,000 stipend for all coaches and players, it should be honored. If they reneged on the deal like the Boston players claim, then they have a right to be angry and boycott. I am a Yankees fan, but I think what they're doing here sticking up for their coahces is awesome. If a deal was agreed to, it should be honored as such.

03-19-2008, 11:47 AM	#24
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Throw me in the anti HB camp. If they were promised the money they should get it. MLB wants this trip, not the players and coaches. By all accounts the average coach doesn't make alot of money. 40K is life changing for some of them. Last edited by Lathum : 03-19-2008 at 11:47 AM.

03-19-2008, 11:50 AM	#25
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	looks like they may play the game

03-19-2008, 11:52 AM	#26
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	why didn't Oakland get this same promise? I would be more pissed if I were them because apparently no deal was made with them. Are they bitching?

03-19-2008, 11:52 AM	#28
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	1:10 start. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

03-19-2008, 11:54 AM	#31
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	I got HBs back. Oakland County rides together and dies together.

03-19-2008, 11:58 AM	#33
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	so so Oakland knows they got screwed too and decide to sack up? Keep in mind that is a much more notoriously cheap organization then any team in the MLB and could use it more and they are being pros about. Shit happens. Cowboy Up Boston.

03-19-2008, 11:58 AM	#34
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	If Boston doesn't take the field make them forfeit. It's a chance to promote the game in another country on an all expense paid trip. It's to freaking Japan, not Cambodia for crying out loud. JD Drew should just pay for their salaries. He's taking 14.4 million a season to be average, he should suck it up. It's funny to see the Red Sox suddenly counting pennies Last edited by MrBug708 : 03-19-2008 at 11:59 AM.

03-19-2008, 12:04 PM	#37
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Well that $40,000 covers the extra costs for bringing all those camera on the trip to film Oakland's signs.

03-19-2008, 12:11 PM	#44
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Gary Bettman has got to be loving this. The race for "biggest PR gaffe by a major league in the last twenty years" has just been reopened.

03-19-2008, 12:13 PM	#46
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	even this thread is all about Boston. Like I said someone show me where Oakland is acting like children and Ill show the Sox some sympathy but until then guess what you got screwed. Happens to everyone every day.

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