New draft chart

[zbuckley]

I'm curious to get a couple of opinions on the new draft chart and if it should be used for FOF over the old one. Here's the link http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...t-trade-chart/

[sovereignstar]

Only difference seems to be the amount of value given to the top 5 picks (old chart values the top picks more). I would say that the old one would be best to use for FOF. Money isn't so much of an issue in the FOF and the top 5 picks are probably more of a sure thing in FOF.

[JetsIn06]

Don't think so. I don't believe the top salaries in FOF are as impactful as in real life.

1) I don't think that the numbers are as high as in real life.

2) They're using real money, and we're not.

3) I'm pretty sure that there is a higher bust factor in real life.

I do think that the chart works much better than the old one, but not in FOF.

[JetsIn06]

And it looks like me and sovereignstar agree on all counts.

[sovereignstar]

Hah!

[Ben E Lou]

What Ryan and Jeff said.

[Skolleck]

Per a post later on the same site:

NEW TRADE CHART CAUSING SOME COMMOTION
Posted by Mike Florio on April 17, 2008, 6:22 p.m.
We’ve heard from a couple of league insiders regarding the apparent efforts of some teams to revise the outdated trade chart, which was developed long before the signing of a top-five draft pick to a long-term contract entailed the sacrifice of one or more testicles.

There’s a sense in some circles that the teams backing the change are the teams hoping to trade up. As one source said, “The teams trying to have a new trade chart are teams trying to steal their way into the top ten. The teams that have those picks aren’t that stupid.”

The source’s bottom-line observation? “You will not see a noticeable difference in trade value on draft day.”

But others disagree that the changes are being driven by teams looking to find an easy way to trade up. The reality is that, under the old chart, there are hardly any trades, because the combination of picks surrendered for the ability to move up and money paid to the player drafted with the higher pick makes the transaction undesirable. Indeed, teams who would like to trade out of those big-money spots should welcome a new trade chart that allows them to move down without creating the impression that they got screwed by not getting enough value in return from the team that moved up.

As Dolphins G.M. Jeff Ireland said on Thursday at his “pillar of your defense” press conference, “I don’t necessarily know if [the current trade chart] applies to the first pick anymore because no one wants to pay that value to go up and get that pick because now you’re dealing with the economics.”

The new chart knocks down the point values for the first four picks, and raises the points for the rest of the first round, making it easier to do deals.

And if part of the motivation comes from teams looking to move up, so be it. If there’s a team out there that wants to step in one of the high-dollar spots, there should be a fair way to make it happen. Under the existing chart, the combination of money and draft picks is simply too much.

That said, we think the best way to fix the trade chart is to adopt a new point system at some point after the draft and before the start of the regular season, when everyone’s record is 0-0 and no one can be perceived as having a motivation to slant the numbers in a way that helps a given team get what it wants.

[Skolleck]

DOLA

Once I have time, I maybe able to sit down and look at all the numbers and see if I can make a better chart.

The things I think count in evauation of the numbers is several fold and will require are formula to determine; where is the pick was, how a pick was paid and then how he performed over that contract. Which is the input and the output.

The second major item group would be a based on the long term results of those players and if paying them better that letting them go via trade or FA.

I think the current chart with a top value of 3,000 points does not take into account that pick being a top QB, or that it does and should then be lowered if no such Stud QB exists in that class.

I have used the chart in the past, to make what felt like fair trades, I have also matched NFL trades like the Eli Manning trade up to the chart and it was with like 20 points.

I think the old chart applies until we can prove different.

[JetsIn06]

Scott,

I pretty much agree with you.

I think the media in general mentions this chart WAY too much. It is a good guideline for us, but with the amount of time and effort put into the draft every year, these GM's/Personell/Coach/Talent Evaluator guys BETTER be making a new chart every year based on the talent available.

[JetsIn06]

dola

I'm also not saying that the charts they make will be all that different, but I still think the media mentions that specific chart as "the end all and be all" of draft charts.

I've heard some people screaming bloody murder when a team gets 20 points less than the chart says they should get.

[Firefly]

That Florio guy can be a bit over-the-top at times, if not often, and his chart is bit flawed, but I'd say another HUGE difference in FOF is that there are few 1st round busts. And I thing that DOES drive top picks value down some.

The idea behind the draft chart is to help facilitate trades, but sometimes it can work the other way around if a GM gets too stuck on it, failing to consider the reality of the actual draft class, as well as that of the typical draft class in that particular league (since historical leagues have atypical drafts).

[zbuckley]

Originally Posted by Firefly

That Florio guy can be a bit over-the-top at times, if not often, and his chart is bit flawed, but I'd say another HUGE difference in FOF is that there are few 1st round busts. And I thing that DOES drive top picks value down some.

The idea behind the draft chart is to help facilitate trades, but sometimes it can work the other way around if a GM gets too stuck on it, failing to consider the reality of the actual draft class, as well as that of the typical draft class in that particular league (since historical leagues have atypical drafts).

I think a Top QB will always demand top value but because there are no bust I think the current draft value chart is a little overrated.