Dixie Chicks Suck

03-15-2003, 09:03 AM

"and one of the privileges of being an American is you are free to voice your own point of view."

Chicks' Critical Remarks About Bush Create Controversy

Bee · 03-15-2003, 09:39 AM

I think the short fat one is kinda cute.

CAsterling · 03-15-2003, 09:41 AM

Just curious - why ?
Its only their opinion

ShovelMonkey · 03-15-2003, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by couriers
"and one of the privileges of being an American is you are free to voice your own point of view."

While I don't agree with their point of view...it seems to me that it IS the privileges of being an American to be able to voice your own point of view.

Oh, and whoever said the short chubby one is cute was right...;-)

03-15-2003, 09:50 AM

They suck because of their contradiction in opinions between their original statement and their apology. Either speak your mind and back up your opinions or keep your mouth shut. They themselves admit that their statement was inappropriate and I am simply agreeing with them.

samifan24 · 03-15-2003, 09:52 AM

While I do not agree with her comment or any celebrity using their celebrity status to throw comments in everyone else's face, she does have the right to her own opinion and I have to respect that. But I totally disagree with her comments.

03-15-2003, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by ShovelMonkey
While I don't agree with their point of view...it seems to me that it IS the privileges of being an American to be able to voice your own point of view.

Never said it wasn't.

Radii · 03-15-2003, 09:57 AM

FWIW, I pretty much agree with her comments, though I know I sure as hell don't go to a concert for political commentary and would have been annoyed by it being thrown at me while I was there.

Draft Dodger · 03-15-2003, 10:37 AM

I'd hit them dixie style

GrantDawg · 03-15-2003, 10:46 AM

Love their music, don't agree with their politics. I think it is the height of dis-loyalty to go to another nation and insult the President. Do it home if you want to, but you shouldn't take family squabbles out of the family. I've lost a lot of respect for them.

Ben E Lou · 03-15-2003, 11:04 AM

I'll say this much. Natalie Maines is either incredibly gutsy or incredibly stupid. THEY DO COUNTRY MUSIC. Their fan base isn't exactly the core of the anti-war crowd. Their U.S. tour opens May 1st in Greenville, South Carolina??? Boy, THAT ought to be an interesting night.

RawIsDan · 03-15-2003, 11:08 AM

I think what bothers most about it and to some extent me about her comments was it seemed to be made to suck up to the crowd. She admitted it as much when she said they saw all the anti-american sentiment going on.

FBPro · 03-15-2003, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
I'll say this much. Natalie Maines is either incredibly gutsy or incredibly stupid. THEY DO COUNTRY MUSIC. Their fan base isn't exactly the core of the anti-war crowd. Their U.S. tour opens May 1st in Greenville, South Carolina??? Boy, THAT ought to be an interesting night.

Can you say "increased security"?

Senator · 03-15-2003, 11:45 AM

We used to rent these girls - different singer - for all our political fundraisers.

I think it cost around 500 for the night if I remember.

sooner333 · 03-15-2003, 11:46 AM

It is their freedom to say what they want about the country and leadership (although I'm not sure what could happen if she said she hoped he was shot). It is also the freedom of the radio stations to not play their music on the radio. I don't understand why they would do that, considering their fan base is pro-America, pro-conservative values. Look, Toby Keith had success with "we'll stick a boot up your ass, its the American way". Not good marketing by the Chicks, in my opinion.

JPhillips · 03-15-2003, 11:54 AM

My problem with this is the way some are bashing them for being just celebrities. Why is someone's opinion less worthy because they are famous? And why is it that the people bashing celebrities aren't saying thesame thing about Toby Keith, Charlie Daniels or Ron Silver? Aren't they just celebrities who don't know what the hell they are talking about?

Everyone in America has the right to speak out regardless of what they want to say. It is disturbing how some on both sides of the political spectrum want to limit the ability to speak out. Logically if we limit opinion on Iraq to those with real expertise the debate would be between a few dozen very academic types.

GrantDawg · 03-15-2003, 12:09 PM

Toby Keith has lost gigs and television time because of that "boot" song. It cuts both ways.

Maple Leafs · 03-15-2003, 12:12 PM

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. It means you can speak you mind. It does not mean that people have to agree with you, or that there won't be consequences. I don't have a problem with them saying what they believe, just I like I won't be bothered if it turns out to be career suicide.

mrskippy · 03-15-2003, 12:29 PM

It's not right to bash a president. Not many evangelical Christians supported Clinton. But I was against his impeachment and the whole investigation into his private life. Instead I respected him as a leader who did a good job for our nation.

What the Chicks did was also wrong in that it happened outside the US. It looks bad.

Add to that they ripped into a fellow Texan, in a Republican state, that typically falls to the right and you ruin yourself.

BishopMVP · 03-15-2003, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Senator
We used to rent these girls... I think it cost around 500 for the night if I remember.

We get Clinton out of office for this?

Buddy Grant · 03-15-2003, 12:40 PM

If they are not with us they are traitors - it's really that simple. We are all free to make our choices, as long as it is the right choice - they have obviously not chosen wisely.

KWhit · 03-15-2003, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by Buddy Grant
If they are not with us they are traitors - it's really that simple. We are all free to make our choices, as long as it is the right choice - they have obviously not chosen wisely.

This is a totally ridiculous statement. If people disagree with the choices the president is making they're traitors?

Oh and I love this - we are free to make choices as long as they are the RIGHT choices?

Give me a break.

Radii · 03-15-2003, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Buddy Grant
If they are not with us they are traitors - it's really that simple. We are all free to make our choices, as long as it is the right choice - they have obviously not chosen wisely.

That's a joke right?

03-15-2003, 01:10 PM

Follow up articles

Some Texas Stations Stop Playing Dixie Chicks Songs After Bush Remarks

Have The Dixie Chicks Gone Too Far?

samifan24 · 03-15-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by JPhillips
My problem with this is the way some are bashing them for being just celebrities. Why is someone's opinion less worthy because they are famous?

When they use the fact that they're famous to grant "credibility" to their political statements in a completely inappropriate forum.

In my opinion, she can say whatever she wants to say, but like Radii said, to have something like that thrown in your face at a concert of all places seems out of place.

JPhillips · 03-15-2003, 02:03 PM

But the crowd cheered when she said it. That doesn't seem like it was "thrown in their faces". How did Natalie(btw I too like her trashy hotness) use her fame to grant credibility to what she said? I have seen no reports that she said she disagreed with Bush and because she is a singer everyone else should too.

As much as I am against political correctness, I am equally opposed to this new patriotic correctness.

kcchief19 · 03-15-2003, 02:08 PM

Frankly, this is yet another example of the following two things:

(1) Americans giving a HUGE rat's ass about the wrong things. We are all following the Dixie Chicks Controversey closely, while I'd bet even money that more than half of the people who think this is important or are angry about what Natalie Maines said couldn't pick freakin' Iraq out on a map, much less identify more than three members of NATO

(2) Right-wing PC thugery gone mad. All these wakos like Limbaugh love to accuse the left of taking part in policital correctness gone astray, yet so many of them want to tar and feather any way who doesn't think like them and relish in casting as un-American anyone who has the gall to question their boy. If you think that loving Bush and loving America are the same thing, then you are confused. It is possible to love your country and yet disagree with the policies and decisions of its leaders. You would have thought we had learn this lesson already.

Let's keep our on the ball, shall we?

andy m · 03-15-2003, 02:31 PM

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It is possible to love your country

i've never gotten this part at all. why love a piece of land? it's all about people. people are worth caring about, a piece of mud with pre-determined borders and all that jazz is not worth even one smooch of your love and hugs.

KWhit · 03-15-2003, 02:45 PM

When people from the US say they love their country, it means they love the life they can live here because of the freedoms and opportunities they are given. It has nothing to do with mud.

I can't believe I just had to explain that.

KWhit · 03-15-2003, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by kcchief19
Frankly, this is yet another example of the following two things:

(1) Americans giving a HUGE rat's ass about the wrong things. We are all following the Dixie Chicks Controversey closely, while I'd bet even money that more than half of the people who think this is important or are angry about what Natalie Maines said couldn't pick freakin' Iraq out on a map, much less identify more than three members of NATO

(2) Right-wing PC thugery gone mad. All these wakos like Limbaugh love to accuse the left of taking part in policital correctness gone astray, yet so many of them want to tar and feather any way who doesn't think like them and relish in casting as un-American anyone who has the gall to question their boy. If you think that loving Bush and loving America are the same thing, then you are confused. It is possible to love your country and yet disagree with the policies and decisions of its leaders. You would have thought we had learn this lesson already.

Let's keep our on the ball, shall we?

I couldn't have said it any better. I agree completely. Excellent points, KC.

03-15-2003, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by KWhit
I can't believe I just had to explain that.

Maple Leafs · 03-15-2003, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by kcchief19
... yet so many of them want to tar and feather any way who doesn't think like them...

For what it's worth, my impression as a non-American is that this is disturbingly true on both sides of the debate right now. Nobody is listening to the other side. It's simply a screaming match between those that are anti-war (i.e. the freedom-hating hippy communists) and those that support Bush (i.e. the baby-killing oil slaves). Both sides seem so comfortable in the moral high-ground that no actual debate is happening.

ISiddiqui · 03-15-2003, 03:27 PM

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I think what bothers most about it and to some extent me about her comments was it seemed to be made to suck up to the crowd. She admitted it as much when she said they saw all the anti-american sentiment going on.

Same thoughts by me. I think, however, it was very, very, very stupid. Their fan base isn't really happy with this at all. Economically it was dumb for them.

rexalllsc · 03-15-2003, 03:31 PM

Man it sure is raining hard today!

CAsterling · 03-15-2003, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by rexalllsc
Man it sure is raining hard today!

First statement in this thread that actually makes sense to me

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 03-15-2003, 03:42 PM

I dont know what the bru ha ha is about but it all better stop or the rath of my butt will be unleashed .

JonInMiddleGA · 03-15-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by kcchief19 It is possible to love your country and yet disagree with the policies and decisions of its leaders.

That's quite possibly true but I think it misses the real point here.

What's at issue is what the responding fans think of Maines comments. I for one would never put another dime in her pocket, not because she disagrees with certain policies of certain people per se but rather because I couldn't stomach knowingly putting a dime in the pocket of someone I think is this wrong on something this clear-cut.

Dang, it's tough to get this to come out right minus vocal inflection.

What I'm trying to say is this -- It's because I think she's wrong that I don't want to support her, not because she disagrees with Bush, U.S. gov't policy or anything else.

AgPete · 03-15-2003, 04:37 PM

Even I who have little knowledge of the music business could have told the Dixie Chicks that making a remark like that that would insult country music fans (and especially Texans!) and would be a disaster for their careers. It's one thing if Pearl Jam says it and it's another thing if the Dixie Chicks say it. Different audiences.

Why does it seem like every singer and actor is against an Iraq war but every Joe Schmoe is for it?

ACStrider · 03-15-2003, 04:40 PM

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, and it works both ways. Sure, you can go overseas and say critical/idiotic/disrespectful comments about the President, but in the same light people are free to call them morons and/or insist to the market that measures be taken against them. In addition, one way we express our speech is through money (can we say campain finance). When we buy a product, we aren't just buying a product but supporting where the product is coming from. For the sake of argument, lets say that there were a Bin Ladin family construction (which is in fact how the Bin Ladin family came to wealth) company based here in the US. If they offered services at half the price as the other construction companies, there is still no way in hades that I would consider using their services. In the same light, if a company were a known communist front, or even if they were depreciating the sitting president (Republican or Democrat) in a foreign country. Go ahead and say what you want. Just don't expect my support here on out and don't be surprised if your comments have consequences.

Radii · 03-15-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by AgPete

Why does it seem like every singer and actor is against an Iraq war but every Joe Schmoe is for it?

Pretty sure nowhere close to every joe schmoe is for an iraq war. Anyone got any recent polls? (looking myself now!). It has been very very polarizing. Some communities I go to are very very anti-war and some are very pro war. Of the random places I go, this is the most pro-war forum I have seen. This is the first thread remotely about iraq i've dared posted in for fear of getting stoned

Radii · 03-15-2003, 04:47 PM

Dola.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...031109453.html

Very odd. Presidential approval dropping in general, the number of people who will definitely vote for bush next time is way down, and then number who will definitely vote against him way up... but amongst all that, support for a war in iraq is above 50% and rising.

Any better numbers anywhere would be more than welcomed

AgPete · 03-15-2003, 05:14 PM

I usually hang with conservative crowds (even though I'm probably moderate

) but it seems to me most Joe Schmoes are for war against Iraq. The media skews everything but sometimes it seems like actors, singers, and college kids that don't remember the first Persian Gulf War are the only ones against it.

Like someone else mentioned a week ago, Bush's approval ratings may be down but throw in one of the disappointing Democratic candidates for President and his ratings suddenly soar!

Havok · 03-15-2003, 06:13 PM

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I'll say this much. Natalie Maines is either incredibly gutsy or incredibly stupid. THEY DO COUNTRY MUSIC. Their fan base isn't exactly the core of the anti-war crowd. Their U.S. tour opens May 1st in Greenville, South Carolina??? Boy, THAT ought to be an interesting night.

lol your excatly right. It wont surprise me one bit if they get boo'ed off the stage.

Fritz · 03-15-2003, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Buddy Grant
If they are not with us they are traitors, eh. It's really that simple you hosers.

Buddy Grant, American sage.

CamEdwards · 03-15-2003, 06:22 PM

I see a Celebrity Death Match... Toby Keith vs. The Dixie Chicks

GoldenEagle · 03-15-2003, 06:36 PM

The Dixie Chicks are the most overrated band ever.

samifan24 · 03-15-2003, 06:44 PM

I for one am sick of celebrities pushing their own political beliefs on everyone else simply because they are celebrities. You may not agree with me and that's fine. But I personally feel that too many celebrities just shoot their mouths off just because they're celebrities.
The important thing here is that their opinions are important despite the fact that they are celebrities, not because of it. I feel that they use their celebrity status to voice their own opinions or act as though their stance on an issue is more important than the average Joe's because they are celebrities and I do not agree with that at all. Just my own personal opinion though.

astralhaze · 03-15-2003, 07:12 PM

Celebrities have just as much as right to spout their political beliefs as any one of us do. The problem is that the media focuses attention on them just because they are celebrities. This, to me, says more about out culture than it does about the celebrities in question. Our society is full of hero worship and idolization. Celebrities are treated like gods when they are just regular people who happen to have (or not have in some cases) a talent to act, sing, look good in fashion, etc. This is the real problem to me.

Bad-example · 03-15-2003, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by GoldenEagle
The Dixie Chicks are the most overrated band ever.

Cough**U2**Cough

BishopMVP · 03-15-2003, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by GoldenEagle
The Dixie Chicks are the most overrated band ever.

I resent the fact you call them a band. I once had to endure a 10-hour car ride with my 2 sisters down to Maryland with them playing the same Dixie Chicks CD the whole time. It was the worst 10 hours of my life.

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Originally posted by Radii
Anyone got any recent polls?

It seems that it varies from poll to poll, but about 1/3 of the country is pro-war, 1/3 anti-war and 1/3 fluctuates based on the wording. The pro-war side just doesn't have a vocal Communist minority leading marches.

03-15-2003, 09:41 AM	#3
CAsterling High School JV Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Herndon, Va	Just curious - why ? Its only their opinion __________________ The funniest comedy duo I have ever seen - www.magaga.com/

03-15-2003, 09:52 AM	#6
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	While I do not agree with her comment or any celebrity using their celebrity status to throw comments in everyone else's face, she does have the right to her own opinion and I have to respect that. But I totally disagree with her comments. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

03-15-2003, 10:37 AM	#9
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	I'd hit them dixie style __________________ Mile High Hockey

03-15-2003, 11:04 AM	#11
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I'll say this much. Natalie Maines is either incredibly gutsy or incredibly stupid. THEY DO COUNTRY MUSIC. Their fan base isn't exactly the core of the anti-war crowd. Their U.S. tour opens May 1st in Greenville, South Carolina??? Boy, THAT ought to be an interesting night. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

03-15-2003, 11:08 AM	#12
RawIsDan High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	I think what bothers most about it and to some extent me about her comments was it seemed to be made to suck up to the crowd. She admitted it as much when she said they saw all the anti-american sentiment going on. Last edited by RawIsDan : 03-15-2003 at 11:10 AM.

03-15-2003, 09:39 AM	#2
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I think the short fat one is kinda cute.

03-15-2003, 09:50 AM	#5
couriers	They suck because of their contradiction in opinions between their original statement and their apology. Either speak your mind and back up your opinions or keep your mouth shut. They themselves admit that their statement was inappropriate and I am simply agreeing with them.

03-15-2003, 09:57 AM	#8
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	FWIW, I pretty much agree with her comments, though I know I sure as hell don't go to a concert for political commentary and would have been annoyed by it being thrown at me while I was there.

03-15-2003, 10:46 AM	#10
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Love their music, don't agree with their politics. I think it is the height of dis-loyalty to go to another nation and insult the President. Do it home if you want to, but you shouldn't take family squabbles out of the family. I've lost a lot of respect for them.

03-15-2003, 11:45 AM	#14
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	We used to rent these girls - different singer - for all our political fundraisers. I think it cost around 500 for the night if I remember. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

03-15-2003, 11:46 AM	#15
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	It is their freedom to say what they want about the country and leadership (although I'm not sure what could happen if she said she hoped he was shot). It is also the freedom of the radio stations to not play their music on the radio. I don't understand why they would do that, considering their fan base is pro-America, pro-conservative values. Look, Toby Keith had success with "we'll stick a boot up your ass, its the American way". Not good marketing by the Chicks, in my opinion.

03-15-2003, 11:54 AM	#16
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	My problem with this is the way some are bashing them for being just celebrities. Why is someone's opinion less worthy because they are famous? And why is it that the people bashing celebrities aren't saying thesame thing about Toby Keith, Charlie Daniels or Ron Silver? Aren't they just celebrities who don't know what the hell they are talking about? Everyone in America has the right to speak out regardless of what they want to say. It is disturbing how some on both sides of the political spectrum want to limit the ability to speak out. Logically if we limit opinion on Iraq to those with real expertise the debate would be between a few dozen very academic types. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-15-2003, 12:09 PM	#17
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Toby Keith has lost gigs and television time because of that "boot" song. It cuts both ways.

03-15-2003, 12:12 PM	#18
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. It means you can speak you mind. It does not mean that people have to agree with you, or that there won't be consequences. I don't have a problem with them saying what they believe, just I like I won't be bothered if it turns out to be career suicide.

03-15-2003, 12:29 PM	#19
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	It's not right to bash a president. Not many evangelical Christians supported Clinton. But I was against his impeachment and the whole investigation into his private life. Instead I respected him as a leader who did a good job for our nation. What the Chicks did was also wrong in that it happened outside the US. It looks bad. Add to that they ripped into a fellow Texan, in a Republican state, that typically falls to the right and you ruin yourself.

03-15-2003, 12:40 PM	#21
Buddy Grant High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000	If they are not with us they are traitors - it's really that simple. We are all free to make our choices, as long as it is the right choice - they have obviously not chosen wisely. Last edited by Buddy Grant : 03-15-2003 at 12:41 PM.

03-15-2003, 01:10 PM	#24
couriers	Follow up articles Some Texas Stations Stop Playing Dixie Chicks Songs After Bush Remarks Have The Dixie Chicks Gone Too Far?

03-15-2003, 02:03 PM	#26
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	But the crowd cheered when she said it. That doesn't seem like it was "thrown in their faces". How did Natalie(btw I too like her trashy hotness) use her fame to grant credibility to what she said? I have seen no reports that she said she disagreed with Bush and because she is a singer everyone else should too. As much as I am against political correctness, I am equally opposed to this new patriotic correctness. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-15-2003, 02:08 PM	#27
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Frankly, this is yet another example of the following two things: (1) Americans giving a HUGE rat's ass about the wrong things. We are all following the Dixie Chicks Controversey closely, while I'd bet even money that more than half of the people who think this is important or are angry about what Natalie Maines said couldn't pick freakin' Iraq out on a map, much less identify more than three members of NATO (2) Right-wing PC thugery gone mad. All these wakos like Limbaugh love to accuse the left of taking part in policital correctness gone astray, yet so many of them want to tar and feather any way who doesn't think like them and relish in casting as un-American anyone who has the gall to question their boy. If you think that loving Bush and loving America are the same thing, then you are confused. It is possible to love your country and yet disagree with the policies and decisions of its leaders. You would have thought we had learn this lesson already. Let's keep our on the ball, shall we?

03-15-2003, 02:45 PM	#29
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	When people from the US say they love their country, it means they love the life they can live here because of the freedoms and opportunities they are given. It has nothing to do with mud. I can't believe I just had to explain that.

03-15-2003, 03:31 PM	#34
rexalllsc Banned Join Date: Feb 2003	Man it sure is raining hard today!

03-15-2003, 03:42 PM	#36
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	I dont know what the bru ha ha is about but it all better stop or the rath of my butt will be unleashed . __________________ Toujour Pret

03-15-2003, 04:37 PM	#38
AgPete College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2001	Even I who have little knowledge of the music business could have told the Dixie Chicks that making a remark like that that would insult country music fans (and especially Texans!) and would be a disaster for their careers. It's one thing if Pearl Jam says it and it's another thing if the Dixie Chicks say it. Different audiences. Why does it seem like every singer and actor is against an Iraq war but every Joe Schmoe is for it? __________________ Click here for the FOF2004 World Football League Dynasty (WFL) - Football Goes Global! OOTP5 Psychology Experiment (Incomplete but fun read for MLB fans.) The FOFC All-Time NFL Team - Voted on by FOFC members.

03-15-2003, 04:40 PM	#39
ACStrider High School JV Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Austin, TX	Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, and it works both ways. Sure, you can go overseas and say critical/idiotic/disrespectful comments about the President, but in the same light people are free to call them morons and/or insist to the market that measures be taken against them. In addition, one way we express our speech is through money (can we say campain finance). When we buy a product, we aren't just buying a product but supporting where the product is coming from. For the sake of argument, lets say that there were a Bin Ladin family construction (which is in fact how the Bin Ladin family came to wealth) company based here in the US. If they offered services at half the price as the other construction companies, there is still no way in hades that I would consider using their services. In the same light, if a company were a known communist front, or even if they were depreciating the sitting president (Republican or Democrat) in a foreign country. Go ahead and say what you want. Just don't expect my support here on out and don't be surprised if your comments have consequences. __________________ "I'm evil." "Oh you are not!" "Oh I am too." -- Brak

03-15-2003, 04:47 PM	#41
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Dola. http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...031109453.html Very odd. Presidential approval dropping in general, the number of people who will definitely vote for bush next time is way down, and then number who will definitely vote against him way up... but amongst all that, support for a war in iraq is above 50% and rising. Any better numbers anywhere would be more than welcomed

03-15-2003, 05:14 PM	#42
AgPete College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2001	I usually hang with conservative crowds (even though I'm probably moderate ) but it seems to me most Joe Schmoes are for war against Iraq. The media skews everything but sometimes it seems like actors, singers, and college kids that don't remember the first Persian Gulf War are the only ones against it. Like someone else mentioned a week ago, Bush's approval ratings may be down but throw in one of the disappointing Democratic candidates for President and his ratings suddenly soar! __________________ Click here for the FOF2004 World Football League Dynasty (WFL) - Football Goes Global! OOTP5 Psychology Experiment (Incomplete but fun read for MLB fans.) The FOFC All-Time NFL Team - Voted on by FOFC members.

03-15-2003, 06:22 PM	#45
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	I see a Celebrity Death Match... Toby Keith vs. The Dixie Chicks __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

03-15-2003, 06:36 PM	#46
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	The Dixie Chicks are the most overrated band ever. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

03-15-2003, 06:44 PM	#47
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	I for one am sick of celebrities pushing their own political beliefs on everyone else simply because they are celebrities. You may not agree with me and that's fine. But I personally feel that too many celebrities just shoot their mouths off just because they're celebrities. The important thing here is that their opinions are important despite the fact that they are celebrities, not because of it. I feel that they use their celebrity status to voice their own opinions or act as though their stance on an issue is more important than the average Joe's because they are celebrities and I do not agree with that at all. Just my own personal opinion though. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton Last edited by samifan24 : 03-15-2003 at 06:45 PM.

03-15-2003, 07:12 PM	#48
astralhaze College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	Celebrities have just as much as right to spout their political beliefs as any one of us do. The problem is that the media focuses attention on them just because they are celebrities. This, to me, says more about out culture than it does about the celebrities in question. Our society is full of hero worship and idolization. Celebrities are treated like gods when they are just regular people who happen to have (or not have in some cases) a talent to act, sing, look good in fashion, etc. This is the real problem to me. __________________ I can understand Brutus at every meaning, but that parahraphy threw me for a loop.

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