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Stadium Announcer
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Burke, VA
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Acute School Phobia
I can't believe this story.
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-...45,print.story Quote:
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New Jersey
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Terrible. All the experts agree that the optimal treatment for School Phobia is to have the child return to school ASAP, doing half days at first if necessary (while also teaching the child a variety of coping mechanisms.) Home schooling is not an option for this as it gives into the fear and as Yadin said in the article, it reinforces the fear. I've had several parents whose kids had Social Phobia ask me to sign papers so their kids could be home schooled, and I always refuse.
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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my parents would have kicked my ass and told me to get on the bus.
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo
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Cowboy up.
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Feb 2006
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I have three students, this year alone, who have whatever the heck this garbage is. They have a phobia because they miss a week at a time and then come back and have a boatload of stuff to makeup, feel pressure, and then can't manage so they stay home again. It's garbage. The one girl is constantly seen by other kids parents out at the mall, etc during school hours.
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Lynchburg, VA
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Why couldn't this scam have been around when I was a kid? I was stuck having to fake stomach aches to get out of school.
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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I feel bad for this girl who has a legitimate problem and doesn't have a mother who knows how to help her and who instead coddles her and swindles the tax payers of her school district.
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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I don't. She is 17 for fucks sake! you don't think she knows what she is doing? |
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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dola- BK, I know you are an educater and care greatly for your kids.
That being said it is total bullshit. How come I never heard about anyone having this 20 years ago when I was in school? It's just another sad reflection of where we have gotten to as a society. We are so soft on our children it is absurd. When I was a kid the only way I missed school was to go to the doctor. |
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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I kept thinking I'd see where this story came from The Onion or something.
Then EF posts & rowech posts and I realize ... OMG, this actually exists?!?!? Look, I teeter close enough to being full blown batshit crazy that I think I'm pretty liberal when it comes to accepting that there's a lot of things psychological and/or emotional that can screw with someone in horrible ways. But a school-specific phobia? Not just generalized anxiety but something triggered specifically by school, complete with a catchy name? And at additional expense to the taxpayer? For the love of ... Mama needed to get her Peg Bundy bon-bon munching ass up off the couch, put her foot up Precious' rump & provide some motivation.
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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I agree with JIMG.
She can go to the mall but can't bring herself to go to school? Maybe it's because the mall opens at 11:00 ![]() |
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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No disputing that her mother is, and has been for a while, working this to her advantage. And you could be right that the daughter is working this to her advantage. But just like the 17 year olds from that Mormon group who claimed to be adults when the police raided their compound, this girl could very well just not know better because it's been this way for the majority of her cognitive life.
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New Jersey
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FWIW, if a child had a school phobia without a generalized anxiety disorder or a more general social anxiety disorder, I personally would be very suspicious of the diagnosis. |
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
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Understanding my so far undiagnosed social phobia, I can see where school situations could mess with a social-phobic person. I can also see where going to the mall wouldn't cause any anxiety at all. Even with this being the case though, I can see where medications and/or therapy should be able to help. If this really is a social-phobia strong enough to make school impossible, getting and keeping a job after school should be just as impossible. Some sort of treatment will be necessary to allow a normal life, and homeschooling is just delaying the fix.
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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I think you're stretching a bit here. |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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Thanks for making a point that I probably should have expanded on in my own post. I can buy a distinction between the mall & school triggering different reactions but modeling school vs regular school? Or school vs work? I can't quite make those distinctions make much sense.
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
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Using myself as a very limited and not well understood model, the trouble areas would be social situations with a large group of people who may or may not be strangers. Being around the group might not be so bad, but knowing that you are going to have to interact with them is very bad. Homeschooling avoids that situation. The work part is going to be a bitch though. Sitting through a job interview with multiple people should be as tough as going to school. Having to deal with people on the job will be tough as well. If she doesn't get this taken care of, her job choices are going to be very limited. |
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Satellite of Love
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I can see how kids could suffer from something that is given the nickname "School Phobia". If a kid has a form of social and/or seperation anxiety, the symptoms of it may not come out until the kid is forced to be away from home for extended periods of time, every day of the week. The first time that happens in 99% of kids is when they are forced to go to school, so it makes perfect sense that their condition wouldn't surface until they went to school. Hence it gets the nickname "School Phobia".
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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.. Last edited by Lathum : 05-21-2008 at 02:38 PM. |
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Satellite of Love
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ef27, the closest thing to an expert in this field on this board, says it is a real thing, talked about the diagnosis for it in his first post and also said he'd be suspicious if the kid didn't have a general anxiety disorder as well.
You say it's complete bullshit and your best arguments have been "I didn't hear about it 20 years ago." and a quote from Chris Rock. Gonna have to go with ef27 on this one. |
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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lighten up Francis |
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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dola- I never said it doesn't exist.
I said it is absurd the way parents deal with it and they onlt make the problem worse. PArents are way to soft with kids these days. 27 said himself he refuses to sign the paperwork when parents want to homeschool their kids because of this. |
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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double dola-
I respect EF27 immensly but this problem didn't exist 20 years ago. The reason IMO this problem and so many other problems exist with kids today is because at the first sign of anything wrong parents assume it is something mental. Rather then be forcefull with the child and have to actualy be a parent they look for a pharmacological cure because something MUST be wrong. God forbid a kid has a tantrum about school because they don't wanna go and they know Mom or Dad will relent, nope, must be mental. Last edited by Lathum : 05-21-2008 at 03:07 PM. |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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The girl should be euthanized
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Satellite of Love
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Haha, I'm not the one going crazy over this. Quote:
Actually, it did. If you go to http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/index.dtl and search their database for school phobia, you'll find articles going back to the 1950s. |
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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I challange anyone who knows someone that suffered this 20 years ago, I can't imagine what my parents would have done to me if I said I was scared to go to school. |
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Unregistered
Join Date: May 2004
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New Jersey
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Thanks for that Sabotai. This problem definitely has a long history and has been written about actually since the early 1900's but it wasn't called that back in those times. I actually had a classmate in elementary school (1984 to be precise) with severe school phobia who I befriended (I think I might have been his only friend at the school until he progressed in treatment and did much better in high school.)
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Imagine that, his parents made him go to school and he made progress. |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New Jersey
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Exactly. That is the treatment of choice. In fact, all of the articles emphasize that as little school as possible should be missed. Coping skills and other types of therapy are the other primary treatment components. Edit: I think what this girl's parent(s) did was wrong and the doctor is even more wrong which is what I said in the first post or at least implied.
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Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
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He got treatment and made progress. Slight difference there. There is probably a combination of things going on here and historically. I'm sure these conditions existed in the past, but since they weren't advertised on TV 20 times a night, people didn't know they had them and pushed their way through. Only the really severe cases probably resulted in people having to stay home. Now that every possible thing has a disorder named for it, people probably recognize it better and look to treat it. Some people (like the mother in this case) probably treat it incorrectly and we get stories like this. I wonder how my life would be different if I had been treated for this back in High School. My college and post-college life may have been much different. |
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College Starter
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Arlington, VA
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Lathum, remember that shy kid you and your buddy beat up behind the gym in third grade? He had this
![]() Seriously, though, I imagine that when you and I were in school, kids that had this or other things that get diagnosed today simply dropped out and just disappeared. Ignorance all around. The SD didn't want to really address the problem, so they signed the checks and swept the receipts under the rug. The mom didn't really know what to do either, and it was so easy to just pluck the fruit off the money tree and let things go. The kid then gets dropped through the cracks. Way to go, guys! |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Snopes me if you want, it's probably an urban legend.
Local news/weather guy(if anyone is familiar w/ Tri Cities it's the guy with the bad blonde toupee) was at a school for career day. Asks kid what he wants to do when he grows up. Kid said he wanted to draw. Like an artist? No. Like his dad who draws a check every month. Must have Acute Work Phobia. |
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Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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Bonafide Seminole Fan
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Florida
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I call BS. Suck it up and go to school. Or have her parents foot the bill for her "problems"
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Mascot
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 6721 Foxpointe Road Fort Worth, TX 76132
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Barbara Maykish, you are a f-ing genius. Any new clothes for you?
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Death Herald
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas
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Actually, it was a little over 25 years ago when I was diagnosed with this. I was in the 3rd grade. Up to that point, I loved going to school. But then the principal pulled really stupid crap (mental abuse) that caused me to not want to go to school. The principal ended up being committed to the State Hospital, and the crap she pulled made me scared to go to school for a while. I was out of school for about 3 months before I transferred schools and it took about a year before I was comfortable that the situation wasn't going to repeat itself.
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General Manager
Join Date: Jul 2001
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I had this (undiagnosed) as well 15 years or so ago when I was really young. While this mother's treatment methods are bad, don't discount issues existing just because you don't remember them being diagnosed or existing when you were a kid. As for the suck it up and go to school approach, as EF27 said, that along with teaching coping mechanisms is the best treatment, but don't assume that "suck it up and deal with it" is the best approach for every situation. You should always have the highest expectations for kids and not label or demand any less than you would from any other child, but sometimes they need some extra help and ignoring an issue for many kids leads to it getting worse.
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Portland, OR
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my cousin had this. She is pretty, bright, and athletic, but she probably missed on average of 1/3 of the school year each year from 4th grade through high school. I never undrstood it.
As for me, my dad probably would have let me go for about 24 hrs before he would have started putting boot to ass. |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: New Jersey
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Glad you posted this. It's not just unpopular, nerdy kids that get this disorder. I treated one kid for this disorder (along with generalized anxiety disorder) who is now starting for a major college football team. He was athletic, very popular, and had lots of girls interested in him, but he also had significant generalized anxiety with a focused school phobia. He is also one of my favorite success stories that I remember on days where I'm having a crappy work day. ![]()
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College Starter
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Wow.. this really hit me. What would my life have been like if my mom had actually gotten me help when I was 9 years old and asking to see a psychiatrist? Instead of two more decades passing before I finally found the help I needed. Really makes you wonder. |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2001
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Researcher have found that fear of work generally follows fear of school.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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Good point. The idea that society has an obligation to educate all of its children is actually a relatively new one in this country. Used to be that if you could not afford school, then you didn't go. |
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