OT: CM4 Has gone Gold

CAsterling · 03-17-2003, 01:17 PM

Just seen the news on the website and looks like it will be released on time.

Just awaiting the new demo to appear (article mentions news about it on friday)

cm4 gold

Havok · 03-17-2003, 01:21 PM

Is CM really that good? I've never played any of them but they seem to have a HUGE following.

MrBug708 · 03-17-2003, 01:25 PM

Whoa....Havok. Soon after it hits the US market, all these Hattrick posts will turn into CM posts times 2!

Mostly because of people's love for soccer here, but also because Hattrick isnt that great of a game

bbor · 03-17-2003, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by MrBug708
Mostly because of people's love for soccer here, but also because Hattrick isnt that great of a game

So..lemme get this straight...you did'nt like Hattrick so it is not a good game?

If that's the case...TCY is a horrid game.

Katon · 03-17-2003, 02:46 PM

However good Hattrick is, it isn't in the same league as CM. CM is the defining game in the genre. It's the biggest, the most refined, the most complex, and generally the best.

Havok · 03-17-2003, 02:48 PM

Is there online play in CM4 like there is for OOTP series??

andy m · 03-17-2003, 03:01 PM

CM has online play but it is nothing like OOTP in that regard.

Havok · 03-17-2003, 03:03 PM

hmmm i might try it out. But probally wont be released is the U.S. for awhile.

bbor · 03-17-2003, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Katon
However good Hattrick is, it isn't in the same league as CM. CM is the defining game in the genre. It's the biggest, the most refined, the most complex, and generally the best.

Agreed....but does that make Hattrick "not a great game"?

3ric · 03-17-2003, 03:54 PM

Marc, if you are reading: congratulations! You guys have done it! Be sure to get some sleep now...

Bee · 03-17-2003, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Havok
hmmm i might try it out. But probally wont be released is the U.S. for awhile.

You can order it from the UK. There are several threads that discuss different places to order it from and prices.

HornedFrog Purple · 03-17-2003, 04:53 PM

Cool beans, when I get it in I will be gone for a week.

Hattrick and CM are two different games. Hattrick is much more simplistic and serves its purpose. At least with CM3, online or network play was quite trying, hopefully CM 4 will be better in this regard but I will not shed a tear if it is not.

QuikSand · 03-17-2003, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBug708
Whoa....Havok. Soon after it hits the US market, all these Hattrick posts will turn into CM posts times 2!

Mostly because of people's love for soccer here, but also because Hattrick isnt that great of a game

I disagree with your reasoning. Many, if not most, of the CM fans on this site did not come to CM because we love soccer... we came to it because we love text sports sims, and CM is the best there is. Many, if not most, of us love CM not because it's a soccer sim, but despite that fact. Big difference.

sabotai · 03-17-2003, 04:58 PM

As far as I know, CM is not a multi-player game. It supports "hot seat" multiplaying and LAN. But not liek OOTP where you host online leagues

CAsterling · 03-17-2003, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by QuikSand
I disagree with your reasoning. Many, if not most, of the CM fans on this site did not come to CM because we love soccer... we came to it because we love text sports sims, and CM is the best there is. Many, if not most, of us love CM not because it's a soccer sim, but despite that fact. Big difference.

Can't argue with that logic...thats why I got Hollywood mogul all those years ago, and have tried various text sims on subjects I know very little about (wresting/Hockey/F1) - I'm one of the fortunate ones who love Football and American Football (ok - as I'm currently living in your country, Soccer and Football) so it adds to my enjoyment of playing CM and FOF.

moriarty · 03-17-2003, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Havok
Is there online play in CM4 like there is for OOTP series??

Havok, unless they've greatly increased online play capabilities, I would continue to look to Hattrick. But they're really not comparable games (other than they both are focused on soccer).

Hattrick is a simple, yet enjoyable online game that is geared completely towards online, casual (for most people) enjoyment.

CM4 is a very detailed, highly immersive text (and dot) based sim that is geared toward single person play and realism. But, at least up until now, I've never had much luck w/ online leagues - there's almost too much detail for that.

(Edit - Sorry Horns, didn't see your response when I posted).

HornedFrog Purple · 03-17-2003, 05:04 PM

I am guilty of that. After I played the first CM3, I found myself watching Fox Sports World and paying attention to soccer here and abroad. In this case, the sim got me interested in the sport itself, if for anything just to place a face on the name.

I even went to a Dallas Burn game last year and had a good time.

ColtCrazy · 03-17-2003, 05:16 PM

I can't wait. I'll be picking mine up with the next couple of weeks. This is great news.

I agree with Quik. I liked soccer before, but playing the game has definitely heightened my awareness of it. For others, I would agree that they didn't know, or didn't like, soccer beforehand but the quality of the game has made them enjoy it more, and perhaps even follow it.

McSweeny · 03-17-2003, 05:18 PM

droooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Ragone · 03-17-2003, 05:20 PM

The Cm Series is what addicted My friends and me to European Soccer(err football)

I don't think there will be another game like that in my lifetime that will make me want to follow another sport quite like The Cm series did. And for that reason i would like to thank Mark Vaughn and his staff..

Easy Mac · 03-17-2003, 05:28 PM

I'd have to say CM had the opposite effect on me that it had on quicksand.

I found out about FOF through the CM boards. I had tried a couple of American sport sims before and found them lacking. W/o CM, I never would have found FOF and this board.

Bee · 03-17-2003, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
I disagree with your reasoning. Many, if not most, of the CM fans on this site did not come to CM because we love soccer... we came to it because we love text sports sims, and CM is the best there is. Many, if not most, of us love CM not because it's a soccer sim, but despite that fact. Big difference.

ditto for me. I still don't like soccer, but CM is by far the best text sports sim available. That's the reason I pre-ordered it a month ago.

Flame Eater · 03-17-2003, 07:30 PM

Thank God!

Now I can stop smoking crack, and go back to CM.

Yeah, it's that addictive.

MrBug708 · 03-17-2003, 08:38 PM

I've always loved soccer. CM is, like people have said, the standard for text sports sims

Hattrick does nothing to satisfy my attention. I don't like it. I didnt say for anyone not to play it but its no where near CM. Its about the same level as Simcountry.

bbor, if I cant talk it down, you shouldnt talk it up though

GoldenEagle · 03-17-2003, 08:42 PM

As the resident soccer advocate, I can say that most people in FOFC have leanred about soccer though CM.

Easy Mac · 03-17-2003, 08:47 PM

I hope the impending war doesn't fuck up my shipping. I remember the anthrax attack occuring right before the release of the last CM version... hmmmm, first that, now a war... does CM know something we dont?

bbor · 03-17-2003, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBug708
bbor, if I cant talk it down, you shouldnt talk it up though

I can live with that

TroyF · 03-17-2003, 09:30 PM

QS nailed it. Before last year, I may have watched 10 soccer games in my entire life.

Now it isn't shocking for me to watch 10-15 games a month if I have the time.

CM made me a fan of soccer. I agree with the person who said that there will never be another game which will have that sort of impact on me.

TroyF

rexalllsc · 03-17-2003, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TroyF
QS nailed it. Before last year, I may have watched 10 soccer games in my entire life.

Now it isn't shocking for me to watch 10-15 games a month if I have the time.

CM made me a fan of soccer. I agree with the person who said that there will never be another game which will have that sort of impact on me.

TroyF

Concur.

BucDawg40 · 03-17-2003, 10:34 PM

Add my name to the list of those who became soccer fans after playing CM.

bbor · 03-17-2003, 10:43 PM

I was a so-so soccer watcher...i had no choice when i was younger,due to the fact i am German

...but i now watch it much more...

daedalus · 03-18-2003, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBug708
Mostly because of people's love for soccer here, but also because Hattrick isnt that great of a game

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBug708
Hattrick does nothing to satisfy my attention. I don't like it. I didnt say for anyone not to play it but its no where near CM. Its about the same level as Simcountry.

So were you trying to say that it "isnt that great of a game" or were you trying to say that it isn't as deep a game?

I'm still also not quite following what the reasoning was that made Hattrick not that great of a game.

GoldenEagle · 03-18-2003, 12:20 AM

Tell us more about Freddy Adu. Do MLS teams have a shot at sigining him?

MrBug708 · 03-18-2003, 12:37 AM

If a European team is willing to offer him 750K as a 13 year old, I doubt the MLS can afford to pay him what he'll be worth as an 17/18 year old. My guess is we'll be able to do the loan thing ala Donovan at SJ.

As for Hattrick, the game is rather shallow and bumpy. Also, not being able to go at the pace I like, which is rather quick, is a huge negative. The ratings system is rather uninviting. Just a rather unpleasant game to me.

Of course, I dont like this board as much, outside of the fact it loads quicker

Marc Vaughan · 03-18-2003, 03:41 AM

Thanks for the kind words and yes I am trying to get back into a regular sleep pattern now

Airhog · 03-18-2003, 04:01 AM

I would have to say that I have always enjoyed soccer. I have tried to watch as many world cup games as possible in the past. I do find US soccer rather unappealing, maybe because it isnt a great league. If I had digital cable, I could see myself watching the english premier division on a regular basis though.

One thing that CM did for me was open my eyes to how much strategy is involved. I had never really payed much attention to game strategy before, and playing CM took my enjoyment of watching soccer to a whole new level.

Karim · 03-18-2003, 06:07 AM

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Originally posted by GoldenEagle
As the resident soccer advocate, I can say that most people in FOFC have leanred about soccer though CM.

Agreed. Three versions later...

I'm still not a huge soccer fan, although I will watch the major events.

CM is simply the most immersive SMG around.

Blackadar · 03-18-2003, 06:12 AM

I played it for about 15 seasons, but I know a ton more about the world game due to CM.

ColtCrazy · 03-18-2003, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBug708
If a European team is willing to offer him 750K as a 13 year old, I doubt the MLS can afford to pay him what he'll be worth as an 17/18 year old. My guess is we'll be able to do the loan thing ala Donovan at SJ.

If that's the case, the MLS teams will simply be outbid in the long run. They won't be able to compete with a top flight European team that really wants him.

ColtCrazy · 03-18-2003, 08:51 AM

dola

Question to Marc (or anyone else). I've picked up the guide (Primus?) with the game in the past. I wonder if it will it be worth it this year? In the past, I've bought 2...one very useful, one totally worthless.

moriarty · 03-18-2003, 09:01 AM

Anyone have a guess as to when the first pre-order shipments will reach the US?

Havok · 03-18-2003, 09:35 AM

I think the reason i love Hattrick so much is because its geared toward playing against "Human" opponents. As much as i love Sports sims playing against the computer just isnt the same. There's always a way to beat the computer over and over again. But you won't beat a human over and over again with the same tactic (unless he's a moron).

Its like Unreal 2003..... sure playing the AI is fun, but nothing compares to playing online.

3ric · 03-18-2003, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Havok
I think the reason i love Hattrick so much is because its geared toward playing against "Human" opponents. As much as i love Sports sims playing against the computer just isnt the same. There's always a way to beat the computer over and over again. But you won't beat a human over and over again with the same tactic (unless he's a moron).

Its like Unreal 2003..... sure playing the AI is fun, but nothing compares to playing online.

Ah, but you see, CM studies your tactic and adjusts, to beat you the next time if you are foolish enough to try the same thing twice.

Blackadar · 03-18-2003, 07:42 PM

Galactic Civ or CM?

Hmmm...

Galactic Civ or CM?

Hmmm...

Galactic Civ or CM?

Hmmm...

Galactic Civ, CM or sleep?

Ah-ha!

The Afoci · 03-18-2003, 07:49 PM

sleep for the next few weeks and come out refreshed and ready to play for months... that is what yoda does...

Blackadar · 03-18-2003, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Afoci
sleep for the next few weeks and come out refreshed and ready to play for months... that is what yoda does...

Well, there is that little thing called work too.

The Afoci · 03-18-2003, 07:54 PM

hmmmm... coming from the man of "going to work to quit...." fame. come on, be a man, quit work for what you believe in... CM.

03-17-2003, 01:21 PM	#2
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	Is CM really that good? I've never played any of them but they seem to have a HUGE following. __________________ Maniacal Misfitz - We're better than you and we know it!

03-17-2003, 02:48 PM	#6
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	Is there online play in CM4 like there is for OOTP series?? __________________ Maniacal Misfitz - We're better than you and we know it!

03-17-2003, 03:01 PM	#7
andy m High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: norwich, UK	CM has online play but it is nothing like OOTP in that regard. __________________ mostly harmless FOFL 2009 champs - Norwich Quagmire

03-17-2003, 03:03 PM	#8
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	hmmm i might try it out. But probally wont be released is the U.S. for awhile. __________________ Maniacal Misfitz - We're better than you and we know it!

03-17-2003, 03:54 PM	#10
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	Marc, if you are reading: congratulations! You guys have done it! Be sure to get some sleep now... __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

03-17-2003, 01:25 PM	#3
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Whoa....Havok. Soon after it hits the US market, all these Hattrick posts will turn into CM posts times 2! Mostly because of people's love for soccer here, but also because Hattrick isnt that great of a game

03-17-2003, 02:46 PM	#5
Katon College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Providence, RI	However good Hattrick is, it isn't in the same league as CM. CM is the defining game in the genre. It's the biggest, the most refined, the most complex, and generally the best.

03-17-2003, 04:53 PM	#12
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Cool beans, when I get it in I will be gone for a week. Hattrick and CM are two different games. Hattrick is much more simplistic and serves its purpose. At least with CM3, online or network play was quite trying, hopefully CM 4 will be better in this regard but I will not shed a tear if it is not. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

03-17-2003, 04:58 PM	#14
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	As far as I know, CM is not a multi-player game. It supports "hot seat" multiplaying and LAN. But not liek OOTP where you host online leagues

03-17-2003, 05:04 PM	#17
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	I am guilty of that. After I played the first CM3, I found myself watching Fox Sports World and paying attention to soccer here and abroad. In this case, the sim got me interested in the sport itself, if for anything just to place a face on the name. I even went to a Dallas Burn game last year and had a good time. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

03-17-2003, 05:16 PM	#18
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	I can't wait. I'll be picking mine up with the next couple of weeks. This is great news. I agree with Quik. I liked soccer before, but playing the game has definitely heightened my awareness of it. For others, I would agree that they didn't know, or didn't like, soccer beforehand but the quality of the game has made them enjoy it more, and perhaps even follow it. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

03-17-2003, 05:18 PM	#19
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	droooooooooooooooooooooooooool

03-17-2003, 05:20 PM	#20
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	The Cm Series is what addicted My friends and me to European Soccer(err football) I don't think there will be another game like that in my lifetime that will make me want to follow another sport quite like The Cm series did. And for that reason i would like to thank Mark Vaughn and his staff..

03-17-2003, 05:28 PM	#21
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I'd have to say CM had the opposite effect on me that it had on quicksand. I found out about FOF through the CM boards. I had tried a couple of American sport sims before and found them lacking. W/o CM, I never would have found FOF and this board.

03-17-2003, 07:30 PM	#23
Flame Eater H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Albany, NY	Thank God! Now I can stop smoking crack, and go back to CM. Yeah, it's that addictive.

03-17-2003, 08:38 PM	#24
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I've always loved soccer. CM is, like people have said, the standard for text sports sims Hattrick does nothing to satisfy my attention. I don't like it. I didnt say for anyone not to play it but its no where near CM. Its about the same level as Simcountry. bbor, if I cant talk it down, you shouldnt talk it up though

03-17-2003, 08:42 PM	#25
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	As the resident soccer advocate, I can say that most people in FOFC have leanred about soccer though CM. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

03-17-2003, 08:47 PM	#26
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I hope the impending war doesn't fuck up my shipping. I remember the anthrax attack occuring right before the release of the last CM version... hmmmm, first that, now a war... does CM know something we dont?

03-17-2003, 09:30 PM	#28
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	QS nailed it. Before last year, I may have watched 10 soccer games in my entire life. Now it isn't shocking for me to watch 10-15 games a month if I have the time. CM made me a fan of soccer. I agree with the person who said that there will never be another game which will have that sort of impact on me. TroyF

03-17-2003, 10:34 PM	#30
BucDawg40 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Add my name to the list of those who became soccer fans after playing CM.

03-17-2003, 10:43 PM	#31
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	I was a so-so soccer watcher...i had no choice when i was younger,due to the fact i am German...but i now watch it much more... __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-18-2003, 12:20 AM	#33
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Tell us more about Freddy Adu. Do MLS teams have a shot at sigining him? __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

03-18-2003, 12:37 AM	#34
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	If a European team is willing to offer him 750K as a 13 year old, I doubt the MLS can afford to pay him what he'll be worth as an 17/18 year old. My guess is we'll be able to do the loan thing ala Donovan at SJ. As for Hattrick, the game is rather shallow and bumpy. Also, not being able to go at the pace I like, which is rather quick, is a huge negative. The ratings system is rather uninviting. Just a rather unpleasant game to me. Of course, I dont like this board as much, outside of the fact it loads quicker

03-18-2003, 03:41 AM	#35
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	Thanks for the kind words and yes I am trying to get back into a regular sleep pattern now

03-18-2003, 04:01 AM	#36
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	I would have to say that I have always enjoyed soccer. I have tried to watch as many world cup games as possible in the past. I do find US soccer rather unappealing, maybe because it isnt a great league. If I had digital cable, I could see myself watching the english premier division on a regular basis though. One thing that CM did for me was open my eyes to how much strategy is involved. I had never really payed much attention to game strategy before, and playing CM took my enjoyment of watching soccer to a whole new level. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

03-18-2003, 06:12 AM	#38
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	I played it for about 15 seasons, but I know a ton more about the world game due to CM.

03-18-2003, 08:51 AM	#40
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	dola Question to Marc (or anyone else). I've picked up the guide (Primus?) with the game in the past. I wonder if it will it be worth it this year? In the past, I've bought 2...one very useful, one totally worthless. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

03-18-2003, 09:01 AM	#41
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	Anyone have a guess as to when the first pre-order shipments will reach the US?

03-18-2003, 09:35 AM	#42
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	I think the reason i love Hattrick so much is because its geared toward playing against "Human" opponents. As much as i love Sports sims playing against the computer just isnt the same. There's always a way to beat the computer over and over again. But you won't beat a human over and over again with the same tactic (unless he's a moron). Its like Unreal 2003..... sure playing the AI is fun, but nothing compares to playing online. __________________ Maniacal Misfitz - We're better than you and we know it!

03-18-2003, 07:42 PM	#44
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Galactic Civ or CM? Hmmm... Galactic Civ or CM? Hmmm... Galactic Civ or CM? Hmmm... Galactic Civ, CM or sleep? Ah-ha!

03-18-2003, 07:49 PM	#45
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	sleep for the next few weeks and come out refreshed and ready to play for months... that is what yoda does... __________________ I had something.

03-18-2003, 07:54 PM	#47
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	hmmmm... coming from the man of "going to work to quit...." fame. come on, be a man, quit work for what you believe in... CM. __________________ I had something.

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