Support the War

[JeffNights]

"Ok let's just say for a moment you bunch of pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children had your way and the U.S.A. didn't go into Iraq.

Let's say that you really get your way and we destroy all our nuclear weapons and stick daisies in our gun barrels and sit around with some white wine and cheese and pat ourselves on the back, so proud of what we've done for world peace.

Let's say that we cut the military budget to just enough to keep the National Guard on hand to help out with floods and fires.

Let's say that we close down our military bases all over the world and bring the troops home, increase our foreign aid and drop all the trade sanctions against everybody.

I suppose that in your fantasy world this would create a utopian world where everybody would live in peace. After all, the great monster, the United States of America, the cause of all the world's trouble would have disbanded it's horrible military and certainly all the other countries of the world would follow suit.

After all, they only arm themselves to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A.

Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps. Get your head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning. Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage a wanton murderer to think that the people of the U.S.A. didn't have the nerve or the guts to fight him?

Barbra Streisand's fanatical and hateful rankings about George Bush makes about as much sense as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing.

You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into the real world. You'd be surprised at the hostility you would find out here. Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long-distance truck driver that you don't think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong.

Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military that you think the United States has no right to defend itself.

Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally and see what the folks down there think about you.

You people are some of the most disgusting examples of a waste of protoplasm I've ever had the displeasure to hear about.

Sean Penn, you're a traitor to the United States of America. You gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How many American lives will your little, "fact finding trip" to Iraq cost? You encouraged Saddam to think that we didn't have the stomach for war.

You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth and won't lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby. Freedom of choice you say?

Well I'm going to exercise some freedom of choice of my own. If I see any of your names on a marquee, I'm going to boycott the movie. I will completely stop going to movies if I have to. In most cases it certainly wouldn't be much of a loss.

You scoff at our military who's boots you're not even worthy to shine. They go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in luxury. The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the undeniable truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on terrorism.

America is in imminent danger. You're either for her or against her. There is no middle ground.

I think we all know where you stand.

What do you think?



This was by some country music guy named Charlie Danils, who is officially my new hero.

[Havok]

hehe yeah... i read that last week. Freaking great article

And written with such grace and attention to logic.

[JeffNights]

Oh my Gosh! a post of mine has brought a WIG to the surface!!!!

I'm like a bad penny, I always turn up.

[Buddy Grant]

I never liked Charlie Danils none but I may have to DL some of his music off Kazaa now. Couldn't have said it better.

[Fonzie]

Thank heavens we finally know where Charlie Daniels stands on the most important foreign policy issue of our generation! I was getting worried by his absence in this debate - but when he finally broke his silence he sure showed them fancy Hollywood types!

I'd really like more washed-up celebrity input. I wonder how Ted Nugent feels about Iraq and their Hollywood ties? And has anybody heard if Kenny Rogers has weighed in on this yet? I'll bet the original "Gambler" could provide some intriguing insights. Or was he the "Coward of the County?" Or both? I can never remember.

I'd recommend getting Tom Wopat's opinion, but he's been a bit busy lately at the carwash.

It'd sure be nice if we could hear from Lonnie Anderson on this one - she's always been a font of foreign policy wisdom. And Hal Linden's advice would be most welcome right now - he should write an op-ed piece, perhaps coauthored with old pal Abe Vigoda, outlining a long-term strategy for foreign policy within the context of a war on terrorism. Yes, that's what we need.

[NoMyths]

It's good to know there are only two ways about this thing. Heck, if it were a complicated issue I hate to think what might happen.

[AgPete]

Originally posted by JeffNights
Sean Penn, you're a traitor to the United States of America. You gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How many American lives will your little, "fact finding trip" to Iraq cost?

Doesn't that contradict what he just said? He basically told us that Hussein and other enemies of the United States were ready to fight no matter how much we disarmed. So Penn's trip to Iraq shouldn't make much of a difference, right? Penn convinced Hussein that we're lazy peace lovers that won't fight so therefore he holds out on weapons inspections thinking we won't fight? But I thought the first three paragraphs said he would do that no matter what?

[Bee]

Originally posted by Fonzie
Thank heavens we finally know where Charlie Daniels stands on the most important foreign policy issue of our generation! I was getting worried by his absence in this debate - but when he finally broke his silence he sure showed them fancy Hollywood types!

I'd really like more washed-up celebrity input. I wonder how Ted Nugent feels about Iraq and their Hollywood ties? And has anybody heard if Kenny Rogers has weighed in on this yet? I'll bet the original "Gambler" could provide some intriguing insights. Or was he the "Coward of the County?" Or both? I can never remember.

I'd recommend getting Tom Wopat's opinion, but he's been a bit busy lately at the carwash.

It'd sure be nice if we could hear from Lonnie Anderson on this one - she's always been a font of foreign policy wisdom. And Hal Linden's advice would be most welcome right now - he should write an op-ed piece, perhaps coauthored with old pal Abe Vigoda, outlining a long-term strategy for foreign policy within the context of a war on terrorism. Yes, that's what we need.

I completely agree with your satirical comment. I mean c'mon...everyone knows that washed up celebrity opinions mean much less than popular celebrity opinions! I wanna hear what Brittany Spears thinks or Justin Timberlake! Who cares what these old guys think!

[RendeR]

Something about the fact that people would rather think about "who" is saying something, rather than "what" the person is saying.

shows me where your priorities are.

sad.

I don't claim to agree with everything he said. But his focus is correct. Hollywood celebrities, and for that matter almost any celebrities, have no real touch with the real world. They just don't get it. Its easy to get on that high horse and scream at the top of your lungs for peace at any cost. Its just not that simple to get what they want. and some day they'll figure that out.

"The only lasting Peace is that which is found on the other side of War." -I don't know who said this, but its a damn appropriate statement.


Ren

[Honolulu_Blue]

Celebrities have opinions just like everyone else. Are they anymore "out of touch" with society because they don't work at McDonalds, in a law firm, in an cubicle? On some issues, maybe. But on something as big as this? No. Not at all. They most likely read the same papers we read. Watch the same new channels we watch. Listen to the same speeches we listen to.

The only thing that separates celebrities and everyone else with an opinion is that, because of their celebrity status (large or small), they have the means to get what they say broadcast on TV, the radio, or put in print (as opposed to simply posting it on the FOFC message board). That's all. There are stupid celebrities (i.e., Sean Penn and Charlie Danils) and smart celebrities. That's all.

Also, RendeR, I mean no offense, but your statement is a bit hypocritical. You seem to imply that people who think about "who" is saying something, rather than "what" the person is say are somewhat flawed or wrong. Then you go on to say that "celebrties" have "no touch with the real world" and "just don't get it." Isn't that the same thing as you're preaching against? Paying attention to the "who" rather than the "what"?

[Marmel]

Just an interesting note, I heard on the radio this morning that there was a list released with the names of all the major celebs who are protesting the war, and the names of Bush and his cronies.

Next to each name was there level of education. Obviously, the politians all have BA and MA degrees from mostly prestigious institutions, and a few of them have Armed Forces Training.

Next to the celebrities, each and every one was dropped out of high school, graduated high school.....I think 2 said dropped out of college, and 1 said graduated college with a Drama Degree.

This doesn't mean they are not smart. It does mean that some people just might have a bit more expertise on the subject.

I know this doesn't say much, but I thought it was entertaining.

[Vaj]

I doubt Charlie Daniels even smelled the smoldering World Trade Center. It's funny how support for Operation Deserter Storm seems to be inversely proportional to the distance from Ground Zero.

[CamEdwards]

Originally posted by Vaj
I doubt Charlie Daniels even smelled the smoldering World Trade Center. It's funny how support for Operation Deserter Storm seems to be inversely proportional to the distance from Ground Zero.

That's odd. I wonder what a poll of firefighters and policemen who were involved would show if they were asked about supporting the war. I wonder if the level of support would drop if you included spouses and children of people killed in the 9/11 attacks.

I will theorize that you wouldn't see a drop in approval of a war until you asked New Yorkers who didn't lose a close friend or relative in the attacks.

You know, you can be close to something without it making a lasting impact. I live two miles from where the Murrah building used to stand. It's been less than ten years since that bombing happened, and I'll tell you, unless you drive by the memorial, you wouldn't even know that it had taken place. There are people who were working in downtown on April 19th, 1995 who saw the smoke, saw the flames, maybe even saw the bodies being removed and had no long lasting political, spiritual, or philosophical change as a result.

I guess this is long winded way of saying that having smelled the smoldering remains of the WTC doesn't make you any more or less right. It doesn't even make you wiser than others.

[Fritz]

Vaj, this is how your ellected reps voted:

Senators: Clinton (D) Yes; Schumer (D) Yes.

Representatives:

Democrats - Ackerman, Yes; Crowley, Yes; Engel, Yes; Hinchey, No; Israel, Yes; LaFalce, No; Lowey, Yes; Maloney, Yes; McCarthy, Yes; McNulty, Yes; Meeks, No; Nadler, No; Owens, No; Rangel, No; Serrano, No; Slaughter, No; Towns, No; Velazquez, No; Weiner, Yes.

Republicans - Boehlert, Yes; Fossella, Yes; Gilman, Yes; Grucci, Yes; Houghton, No; Kelly, Yes; King, Yes; McHugh, Yes; Quinn, Yes; Reynolds, Yes; Sweeney, Yes; Walsh, Yes.

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NY was one of the best places to find Dems to support the Authorization of Force.

[Subby]

Ted Nugent could kick Charlie Daniels' Pinko ass...

[GoldenEagle]

Oprah is now against the war. Who cares about that fat heffer?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
Oprah is now against the war. Who cares about that fat heffer?

You'd be surprised. She puts talks about a book on her show and all of a sudden sales go through the roof. Same with that doctor guy, whoever the hell he is. Oprah has a lot of clout with the middle-aged woman. A lot.

[SaukeeWrestler112]

There is a huge difference between disarment and conquest. I am really against this war. There is something very fishy about it.
Im not buying into the Iraq has weapons of mass destruction thing.

I really think if defending ourselves was the only motive. Countries such as Korea would me much higher on the priority list.
Korea doesnt have Oil though. I'm scared that we are being put in danger by this war, rather than helping ourselves.

That said I do hope our troops stay safe and come back home.

[Bee]

If you do the research, the oil argument doesn't hold up. If it was about oil, we'd have been much better off trying to lift the sanctions against Iraq to allow for the free trade of oil than invading them and risking massive destruction of the oil fields and a cessation of oil exports during the war and repair of the damage that the Iraqi's cause to their oil industry. I'd be more inclined to believe the "theory" that we are invading Iraq to set up a base to move against Iran if I were going to buy into any of the wild theories out there.

[ACStrider]

At first I was kind of skeptical of Bush's approach towards NK. I recognized the fact that you can realistically recognize only one state at a time in order to minimize casulties and such, and that Iraq was considered a greater threat from intelligence sources, but I was hoping to hear stronger statements and assurance that the situation would be properly addressed. But in retrospect, I think he's got a good strategy here. The big thing about NK is that they're an economically devistated country with a big talking leader. Kim Jung Il is the equivalent of the pouty baby that wants attention, and so he gets it by ruffling feathers. Bush's strategy...ignore him and let Russia and China step up to the plate. Without a source, a fire doesn't grow.

[CAsterling]

You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth and won't lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby.

Please - since when is Saddam one of the most evil men on earth - was he one of them when he was supported by america, or did he change once America stopping supporting him against Iraq. So what happen to Gaddaffi, current leaders of China, Iraq, Syria, etc is there a rating scale for these people on the most evil list.

Lets see He has Weapons of mass destruction, so does China, Russia, N Korea, Uk, USA, Germany, France and others.
He has financed terrorists - see above list for countries that have done the same.

He is a current threat to the National security of America and others - so feel free to attack him, but why must people think this is a campagain about morality - it isn't, it never was and it never will be.

Let these movies stars and singers speak their minds - lets face it, for most of them if they emptied their minds of every thought they ever had, it should take maybe 10 minutes max - its the right of every American to do so, and just because the media broadcasts it as news, doesn't make it so. You are intelligent, well educated people and can make your own decisions about what is crap and what is news. Or for a real taste of actual world news try listening to the BBC to see the contrast.

I find this ranting hypocritical, and will whilst a fan of his music I have no time for people who spout this type of stupidity to complain about other equally stupid people.

Ever remember this phrase from your youth - 2 wrongs do not make a right.

[Buddy Grant]

I think Country singer Charlie Danils put it best when he was recently quoted saying: "America is in imminent danger. You're either for her or against her. There is no middle ground. I think we all know where you stand. What do you think? "
Truer words are (and will be) rarely spoken.

[JPhillips]

"Hollywood celebrities, and for that matter almost any celebrities, have no real touch with the real world."

RendeR: So I assume this means you think Daniels' ravings are moronic?

[Vaj]

Originally posted by CamEdwards
That's odd. I wonder what a poll of firefighters and policemen who were involved would show if they were asked about supporting the war. I wonder if the level of support would drop if you included spouses and children of people killed in the 9/11 attacks.

How exactly is the Saddam linked to the atrocities of 9/11? Us dumb New Yorkers think that educated, middle-class Egyptians and Saudi Arabians were most of the hijackers, financed by an exiled wealthy Saudi Arabian.

Fritz, the New York congressional contingent certainly wasn't speaking for the hundreds of thousands that were protesting on Feb. 15.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by JPhillips
"Hollywood celebrities, and for that matter almost any celebrities, have no real touch with the real world."

RendeR: So I assume this means you think Daniels' ravings are moronic?

Somehow I doubt that Charlie Daniels lives in Hollywood....

[Bee]

Originally posted by Vaj

Fritz, the New York congressional contingent certainly wasn't speaking for the hundreds of thousands that were protesting on Feb. 15.

And the hundreds of thousands protesting certainly weren't speaking for the majority of Americans who support military action.

[Vaj]

Sorry for not being clearer, Bee. I meant to refer to the NYC demonstration only. I don't doubt that a majority of Americans would support military action if it had explicit United Nations authorization.

And Cam, the last paragraph of your post addressed to me is very true. I don't claim to be wiser than most -- exposure to the rantings of Charlie Daniels makes me temporarily insane on occasion.

[Bee]

All the recent polls indicate the majority of Americans support military action without UN "authorization".

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally posted by Bee
All the recent polls indicate the majority of Americans support military action without UN "authorization".

The majority of Americans support a lot of stupid crap. Take a look the "Top 10" songs or the most popular television programs. A sad, sad sight indeed.

[Bee]

Originally posted by Honolulu_Blue
The majority of Americans support a lot of stupid crap. Take a look the "Top 10" songs or the most popular television programs. A sad, sad sight indeed.

I don't think you can compare the quality of tv shows or music to the support for military action. They are two completely different subjects.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally posted by Bee
I don't think you can compare the quality of tv shows or music to the support for military action. They are two completely different subjects.

Just shows an all around lack of judgment and is also an example of just because a majority thinks something is right or good doesn't necessarily make it so.

[Bee]

The majority of Americans watch the most popular tv shows and listen to the top 10 music?

The lack of quality indicates a lack of judgement?

[Fritz]

Originally posted by Honolulu_Blue
Just shows an all around lack of judgment and is also an example of just because a majority thinks something is right or good doesn't necessarily make it so.

I think you are mixing taste with judgement here.