FOFC Hattrick Rankings

FrogMan · 03-18-2003, 02:29 PM

Okay, I didn't plan on announce this until had something definite, but I have decided to work on some sort of FOFC Hattrick rankings, in which every FOFCer's Hattrick would be ranked, based on their ratings in league games. Since you usually play your "A" team on league game, I think it would be accurate.

I've prepared a "sparser" and now what I'd have to do is go through every FOFC team's last league game and compile their position ratings in order to give their team a global rating. Right now I intent on using NevStar's rating (add up all position rating, counting midfield for three times its value)...

What do you think about this? Any interest? I would guess so.

Going through Hattrick, hunting for game rating should take me about 10-30 seconds a team, so I should be done at some point tomorrow or Thursday.

My main question was: Is there already some sort of rankings like that, or is there anybody already working on one??

I think it could enhance our enjoyment of the game to see where you rank compared to other teams from other countries and other division...

Your comments are welcome!

Later FrogMan.

MikeVic · 03-18-2003, 02:39 PM

Sounds good.

NevStar · 03-18-2003, 02:39 PM

This is an excellent idea.

I know the database at http://www.htscb.tk/ do these kind of ratings for higher division teams in a few countries, but they're based on stars (personally, I like using match ratings better, and not only because you're using my formula

)

FrogMan · 03-18-2003, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NevStar
This is an excellent idea.

I know the database at http://www.htscb.tk/ do these kind of ratings for higher division teams in a few countries, but they're based on stars (personally, I like using match ratings better, and not only because you're using my formula )

My idea came right from that site and the other one I saw where they ranked teams from Canada, where I wasn't rated too high btw...

I also think that match ratings are a better measuring stick. Besides, ain't what they say that "stars are evil" or the devil or something like that...

FrogMan

Doug5984 · 03-18-2003, 02:47 PM

I like this idea.....it will be interesting to see where i stand vs. the other FOFCers

vex · 03-18-2003, 02:53 PM

This sounds great!

daedalus · 03-18-2003, 03:20 PM

Wow. Sounds awesome. Would be much neat to see.

dacman · 03-18-2003, 03:53 PM

Not only is this an interesting idea -- it could be put to very good use seeding the FOFC Cup next season.

Havok · 03-18-2003, 04:06 PM

go for it!

FrogMan · 03-18-2003, 04:19 PM

Hey everyone, thanks for the positive feedback. I got a question though, especially for you long time Hattricker. Should we try to input some value for the keeper's performance into our rating's formula (okay, NevStar's index

)???

The way it is set now, there's only a rating value for the outfielder positions. I'm thinking it might be interesting to add up a value for the keeper's performance, say add up his number of stars to NevStar's index. Maybe double his number of starswould be better. That way a 2.5 stars keeper would be the same as a passable rating (2.5*2=5) or would it be too aggressive? I'm asking for your personnal experience. Is the keeper enough of a factor to be added to the our formula? Maybe if it's not enough of a big factor, we could simply add one time the stars.

Please view this as an informal poll.

I did about 10 of the 72 teams in dacman's list over my coffee break period this afternoon so I'm not too much into it that it would be a pain to do it all over. I'd also like to be able to have the right data from teh start, if we want to reference to it later in the future.

Thanks for any input.

Later, Frogman.

Coffee Warlord · 03-18-2003, 04:29 PM

Killer idea, for starters.

For adding keeper value...should be factored in. How, I don't know. My only line of thinking is to say that I don't think a keeper makes THAT big of difference for a team. IE the difference between, say, a 2 star keeper and a 3 star keeper is not that bigga deal if the team with the 2 star keeper has a stronger presence in the outfield.

NevStar · 03-18-2003, 04:55 PM

Actually, the keeper's ratings are included in figuring the match ratings. It's the most important factor in the 3 defense ratings.

HornedFrog Purple · 03-18-2003, 05:06 PM

This will be easy just use my team as the lowest denominator.

I think using the rankings would be a great idea. I will be using the top 8-16 seeds (depending on what format we have to use and how many teams we have) for next season's cup based on this season's cup performance and ausonny has the #3 seed. Winner and runner-up get the 1 and 2 seeds. Other than that, seedings could easily be used.

Raven Hawk · 03-18-2003, 05:10 PM

I believe that your Keeper ratings are part of your Central Defense ratings. I don't think that you need to add it in. Otherwise, this sounds like a wonderful idea. I also like that Horned might use them for seedings.

McSweeny · 03-18-2003, 05:23 PM

i just hope i'm not dead last...

DataKing · 03-18-2003, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NevStar
Actually, the keeper's ratings are included in figuring the match ratings. It's the most important factor in the 3 defense ratings.

What NevStar said.

By the way, this is a great idea, and I am looking forward to seeing it. Good stuff.

FrogMan · 03-18-2003, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DataKing
What NevStar said.

By the way, this is a great idea, and I am looking forward to seeing it. Good stuff.

Thank DK, and thanks to everyone for your positive comments. After thinking about it, it makes sense that the keeper's rating is added inside the defender ratings. I just needed some FOFCer with more Hattrick seniority to confirm it

This is the way I'll do the ratings, with NevStar's index (happy Nev?

). As I said, I had about 10-11 done this afternoon but I should breeze through it all tonight.

I definitely hope to be able to post the official FOFC Hattrick Rankings for week 18-14 later on tonight...

Later, FrogMan

PilotMan · 03-18-2003, 07:14 PM

If it comes out right, I think it would be a good way to seed the tournament as well as setting up challenges.

samifan24 · 03-18-2003, 08:10 PM

For the fortieth time, this is an awesome idea! I think something like this could also be useful for the next FOFC Cup, which is sure to be much larger than the one held last season and may even include regional play in a national tournament. All in all this looks to be not just an awesome tool for measuring all the FOFC Hattrick clubs, but also a practical tool in helping those in charge of the FOFC Cup to come up with the best possible tournament! Thanks FrogMan!

FrogMan · 03-18-2003, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
This will be easy just use my team as the lowest denominator.

Funny you said that because the way my listing is sorted (by Country, then series), your team is the very last one I'll process

Only 12 to go from the original 72 in dacman's list. Then I'll scan for newly added team...

FrogMan

edit: 'cause I can't stand tpyos (that one was an extra)

Masked · 03-18-2003, 08:13 PM

I think I will in the thick of fierce competition for the last spot.

I can't wait to see how close I get.

cthomer5000 · 03-18-2003, 08:15 PM

Great idea! This will really help people get into the game.

FrogMan · 03-18-2003, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Great idea! This will really help people get into the game.

Yeah, just what we need. more FOFCer addicted to Hattrick...

FrogMan

Coffee Warlord · 03-18-2003, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FrogMan
Yeah, just what we need. more FOFCer addicted to Hattrick...

FrogMan

Well duh.

cthomer5000 · 03-18-2003, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FrogMan
Yeah, just what we need. more FOFCer addicted to Hattrick...

FrogMan

it took me approximately 24 hours to go from trying to figure my way around the place to fiending for next season to begin. I jumped in just in time to drop ti division 5 but can't wait!

vex · 03-18-2003, 09:14 PM

Almost done?

FrogMan · 03-18-2003, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vexroid
Almost done?

Yeah, almost. Just need some formatting to make it presentable. I might just post an ugly list and work on it tomorrow... Anxious? Don't worry, your team is in the top 10, but you still got some work to do...

Now back to work

FrogMan

McSweeny · 03-18-2003, 10:24 PM

please tell me i'm not dead last

FrogMan · 04-22-2005, 10:24 AM

nostalgia took a hold of me, had to bump this one

Dang, I started working on these one month after I started playing, what took me so long???

FM

Poli · 04-22-2005, 10:28 AM

FrogMan · 04-22-2005, 10:29 AM

LOL! what is this thread doing in the dynasty reports section???

FM

Poli · 04-22-2005, 10:30 AM

That's what I was thinking.

03-18-2003, 03:53 PM	#8
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	Not only is this an interesting idea -- it could be put to very good use seeding the FOFC Cup next season. __________________ No signatures allowed.

03-18-2003, 04:06 PM	#9
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	go for it! __________________ Maniacal Misfitz - We're better than you and we know it!

03-18-2003, 04:19 PM	#10
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	IMPORTANT QUESTION Hey everyone, thanks for the positive feedback. I got a question though, especially for you long time Hattricker. Should we try to input some value for the keeper's performance into our rating's formula (okay, NevStar's index )??? The way it is set now, there's only a rating value for the outfielder positions. I'm thinking it might be interesting to add up a value for the keeper's performance, say add up his number of stars to NevStar's index. Maybe double his number of starswould be better. That way a 2.5 stars keeper would be the same as a passable rating (2.5*2=5) or would it be too aggressive? I'm asking for your personnal experience. Is the keeper enough of a factor to be added to the our formula? Maybe if it's not enough of a big factor, we could simply add one time the stars. Please view this as an informal poll. I did about 10 of the 72 teams in dacman's list over my coffee break period this afternoon so I'm not too much into it that it would be a pain to do it all over. I'd also like to be able to have the right data from teh start, if we want to reference to it later in the future. Thanks for any input. Later, Frogman.

03-18-2003, 04:55 PM	#12
NevStar High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Raleigh, NC	Actually, the keeper's ratings are included in figuring the match ratings. It's the most important factor in the 3 defense ratings. __________________ I can't think of a clever signature. Last edited by NevStar : 03-18-2003 at 04:57 PM.

03-18-2003, 05:06 PM	#13
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	This will be easy just use my team as the lowest denominator. I think using the rankings would be a great idea. I will be using the top 8-16 seeds (depending on what format we have to use and how many teams we have) for next season's cup based on this season's cup performance and ausonny has the #3 seed. Winner and runner-up get the 1 and 2 seeds. Other than that, seedings could easily be used. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

03-18-2003, 02:39 PM	#2
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Sounds good.

03-18-2003, 02:47 PM	#5
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	I like this idea.....it will be interesting to see where i stand vs. the other FOFCers

03-18-2003, 02:53 PM	#6
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	This sounds great!

03-18-2003, 03:20 PM	#7
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Wow. Sounds awesome. Would be much neat to see.

03-18-2003, 04:29 PM	#11
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Killer idea, for starters. For adding keeper value...should be factored in. How, I don't know. My only line of thinking is to say that I don't think a keeper makes THAT big of difference for a team. IE the difference between, say, a 2 star keeper and a 3 star keeper is not that bigga deal if the team with the 2 star keeper has a stronger presence in the outfield.

03-18-2003, 05:10 PM	#14
Raven Hawk College Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Thunderdome	I believe that your Keeper ratings are part of your Central Defense ratings. I don't think that you need to add it in. Otherwise, this sounds like a wonderful idea. I also like that Horned might use them for seedings. __________________ Owner of The Shreveport Pride in The CFL

03-18-2003, 05:23 PM	#15
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	i just hope i'm not dead last...

03-18-2003, 07:14 PM	#18
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	If it comes out right, I think it would be a good way to seed the tournament as well as setting up challenges. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

03-18-2003, 08:10 PM	#19
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	For the fortieth time, this is an awesome idea! I think something like this could also be useful for the next FOFC Cup, which is sure to be much larger than the one held last season and may even include regional play in a national tournament. All in all this looks to be not just an awesome tool for measuring all the FOFC Hattrick clubs, but also a practical tool in helping those in charge of the FOFC Cup to come up with the best possible tournament! Thanks FrogMan! __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

03-18-2003, 08:13 PM	#21
Masked College Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bay Area	I think I will in the thick of fierce competition for the last spot. I can't wait to see how close I get.

03-18-2003, 09:14 PM	#26
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Almost done?

03-18-2003, 10:24 PM	#28
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	please tell me i'm not dead last

04-22-2005, 10:24 AM	#29
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	nostalgia took a hold of me, had to bump this one Dang, I started working on these one month after I started playing, what took me so long??? FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

04-22-2005, 10:28 AM	#30
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	LOL. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

04-22-2005, 10:29 AM	#31
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	LOL! what is this thread doing in the dynasty reports section??? FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

04-22-2005, 10:30 AM	#32
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	That's what I was thinking. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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