Penalty Declined Fail

MrIllini · 11-09-2009, 11:43 AM

I knew I shouldn't have hired Ron Zook...

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Happy Valley: I formation, strength is right. The defense is in a 43 with nickel personnel and 3-deep zone coverage, expecting the pass.
1-20-HPY50 (4Q: 09:30) Marty Hampton pass completed to WR Sammie Berry for 10 yards. Tackled by OLB Norbert Money. Berry gained 3 yards after the catch. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage. PENALTY: New Jersey was called for Defensive Holding. The penalty was declined.

Methinks this might should be addressed in any forthcoming patches for FOF.

Subby · 11-09-2009, 11:52 AM

MIGHT SHOULD BE?

MrIllini · 11-09-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

MIGHT SHOULD BE?

I was channeling my inner southern dialect.

(and probably still got it wrong)

Subby · 11-09-2009, 12:04 PM

smooch

gstelmack · 11-09-2009, 03:53 PM

There is a 5-yard difference. You're looking at 2nd-and-10 from the 40 or 1st-and-10 from the 45. What's the score of the game? With the former you're that much closer to FG range.

Groo · 11-09-2009, 05:45 PM

I would prefer a 1st and 10 from the OPP45 to a 2nd and 10 from the OPP40.

With 9:30 left in the game, it's not like you are running out of time if it is a close game... and you get 3 plays to move the ball 10 yards, rather than 2 plays. 2nd and 10 forces you to pass more often, thereby making your offense more predictable. Just my opinion on why you'd want to accept the penalty there

bigmouth · 11-09-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

There is a 5-yard difference. You're looking at 2nd-and-10 from the 40 or 1st-and-10 from the 45. What's the score of the game? With the former you're that much closer to FG range.

the key is defensive holding. auto 1st.

stevew · 11-10-2009, 01:25 AM

That play shouldn't be declined. Unless it was like a record breaking throw/reception. And even then, probably still shouldn't be declined.

jdavidbakr · 11-10-2009, 11:53 AM

I think it's close enough that there's not a correct answer. In RL you'll probably see it go both ways, depending on the feel of the coach. I'd be curious what the game engine used to determine to decline it, but it's not necessarily a bad decision either way.

QuikSand · 11-10-2009, 01:53 PM

This thread delivers in ways I would not have thought possible.

digamma · 11-10-2009, 02:19 PM

What am I missing?

Unless there are like less than 10 seconds on the clock and you need a FG to tie or win, under what circumstances would you ever decline this penalty?

Seems like a clear coding oversight.

Ben E Lou · 11-10-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

Seems like a clear coding oversight.

Yeah. Maybe it's checking the yardage gained on the play instead of yards to go, and Jim coded it for "if yardsgained >9 take play, else take penalty," not taking into account instances where the play started with more than 10 yards to go for a first down.

abal1221 · 11-10-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIllini

I knew I shouldn't have hired Ron Zook...

Ron Zook? This sounds more like something Dick Jauron would do

11-09-2009, 11:52 AM	#2
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	MIGHT SHOULD BE? __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

11-09-2009, 12:04 PM	#4
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	smooch __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

11-09-2009, 03:53 PM	#5
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	There is a 5-yard difference. You're looking at 2nd-and-10 from the 40 or 1st-and-10 from the 45. What's the score of the game? With the former you're that much closer to FG range. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

11-10-2009, 11:53 AM	#9
jdavidbakr High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oklahoma	I think it's close enough that there's not a correct answer. In RL you'll probably see it go both ways, depending on the feel of the coach. I'd be curious what the game engine used to determine to decline it, but it's not necessarily a bad decision either way. __________________ ~jon MyFootballNow.com - Professional Football Management Simulator

11-09-2009, 05:45 PM	#6
Groo Mascot Join Date: May 2009	I would prefer a 1st and 10 from the OPP45 to a 2nd and 10 from the OPP40. With 9:30 left in the game, it's not like you are running out of time if it is a close game... and you get 3 plays to move the ball 10 yards, rather than 2 plays. 2nd and 10 forces you to pass more often, thereby making your offense more predictable. Just my opinion on why you'd want to accept the penalty there

11-10-2009, 01:25 AM	#8
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	That play shouldn't be declined. Unless it was like a record breaking throw/reception. And even then, probably still shouldn't be declined.

11-10-2009, 01:53 PM	#10
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	This thread delivers in ways I would not have thought possible.

11-10-2009, 02:19 PM	#11
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	What am I missing? Unless there are like less than 10 seconds on the clock and you need a FG to tie or win, under what circumstances would you ever decline this penalty? Seems like a clear coding oversight.

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