Name Something Solecismic Could Do...

Dutch · 11-20-2009, 10:22 AM

...that would be beneficial for FOF2K7 MP leagues/commissioners.

RedKingGold · 11-20-2009, 10:31 AM

Come out with a new and improved version of the game.

bwyant32 · 11-20-2009, 10:37 AM

Tell me how to get this MP allocation league up and running

ShaneTheMaster · 11-20-2009, 10:39 AM

communicate

Epi_862 · 11-20-2009, 10:48 AM

Work on the game.

BYU 14 · 11-20-2009, 10:51 AM

Publish TCY 2

Kodos · 11-20-2009, 11:19 AM

More American Idol commentary.

gstelmack · 11-20-2009, 11:30 AM

1. Automate turn execution. Monitor folder for files / time expiring, import, run sim, export.
2. Allow the commish to edit EVERYTHING, including contracts, moving players without needing a trade, etc.
3. Allow users to change passwords. Single password means as folks come and go, someone else has the password for your team.
4. Allow users to open and browse the league without actually having a team.
5. City editor.

beargrowlz · 11-20-2009, 01:27 PM

Integrate the capacity for multiple leagues into the game to do away with batch files. Many of the younger players stare at me blankly (metaphorically) when given instructions on batch files because they've never even heard of DOS.

Cheers,
-Bear

RedKingGold · 11-20-2009, 01:41 PM

Seriously though, it's time to create some kind of web-based version.

Nogram · 11-20-2009, 01:52 PM

I am not even going to start...just walking away this time.

TheMeat · 11-20-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Seriously though, it's time to create some kind of web-based version.

Yup.

But haven't I already started the rumour that Ben is working on this for Solecismic? Or maybe it's that Sole has been working on a game engine for Ben's web-game for the last 10 years...

sidthelid · 11-20-2009, 07:30 PM

involve us, communicate, release the patch he has promised, sort the bugs out, etc etc etc etc etc

Yoda · 11-20-2009, 08:17 PM

2nd everything Greg and Bear said.

stevew · 11-20-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Seriously though, it's time to create some kind of web-based version.

with all the data extraction stuff and automators out there, I'm kind of surprised nobody has figured out how to reverse engineer an export. That way you could do most of your work outside of the game. And at work.

And as far as piracy goes, it could probably be checked that a user has a legit version of the game.
I'd still play MP if I could do a quick export from my mobile phone.

gstelmack · 11-21-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Seriously though, it's time to create some kind of web-based version.

When someone can show me a decent, reliable, FAST interface for doing all the crap that goes into managing a pro football team on the web, I may jump on this bandwagon. I just think the UI requirements blow away what the web can provide.

MizzouRah · 11-21-2009, 11:01 AM

Alex: What is update the rosters and release a patch?

gstelmack · 11-21-2009, 11:37 AM

Answer: Something Solecismic has done pretty much every year around football time, although he's a bit later than normal maybe this year.

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Alex: What is update the rosters and release a patch?

MacroGuru · 11-21-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

When someone can show me a decent, reliable, FAST interface for doing all the crap that goes into managing a pro football team on the web, I may jump on this bandwagon. I just think the UI requirements blow away what the web can provide.

I think the interface would have to be FL or SL based in order to accomplish it.

Izulde · 11-21-2009, 03:07 PM

Eliminate the batch files requirement as bear said.

MizzouRah · 11-21-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Answer: Something Solecismic has done pretty much every year around football time, although he's a bit later than normal maybe this year.

I'm just being sarcastic.. I know he's been good about doing this.

I figured by mid-season we would see something though.. I hope Jim still has the itch to program the FOF series.

To me, it's one of those games where I feel totally satisfied with the outcomes of games and the way the AI does things. I never find myself saying, this needs patched.. what I do mean by patching is I would love to see Jim add some additional goodies!

Swaggs · 11-21-2009, 06:53 PM

TCY patch that includes:
--updated conference affiliations.
--the ability for conferences to increase/decrease in prestige
--updated bowl setup, with the new BCS arrangement and where bowls are set up to renegotiate with conferences every four years, based on the conferences' prestige.
--allow teams to sign up to 25 scholarship players per year/85 total.
--if he wanted to totally blow my mind, I'd love to see periodic conference expansion/realignment (dissolution of the SWAC, Big 8 to Big 12, ACC/Big 10 adding one team, etc.).

I'd be psyched with that and happily pay between $10-20 for it. As the fan of a Big East team, it is hard for me to get immersed in a 7-team Big East that doesn't include 3 of the current teams.

sidthelid · 11-29-2009, 05:21 PM

I have just listened to the POD cast again and i think it's pretty clear nothing is coming in the forseeable future which is a big shame. Jim says he would like to release a maintenace upgrade at the start of the season , well it's week 11 now so i would suggest it's not a delay it's just not coming (hopefully i am very wrong).

What made me laugh was though when Jim said "I like to stay in touch once in a while and i try to do that". Just when was the last post from Jim?!

He also says he is working on something but now is not the time to mention what it is, that says to me it's some time off that's if it has something to do with FOF or TCY's. Ok the interview was a little time ago so maybe there will be some news this decade LOL.

Lastly he says i am not working in another field entirely, that says to me he is working in another area but not totally. That's kind of worrying.

I think we are stuck with what we have for a while yet, hopefully someone else brings out an up to date game as FOF is tired.

sidthelid · 11-30-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Footix

Let's stop trying to figure out what this guy "means" or "seems to reveal" or whatever. Communication is clearly not his forte.
There has been no new game in 3 or 4 years, this is a dead franchise and the only people still interested is that same community that was here 10 years ago.
that's all fine and dandy but please stop worshiping this man. He did good but that was in another life. He's old news now.

Believe me i am not worshipping him, i am as fed up as the next man. I am also of the opinion this game is dying and has more holes in it than Green Bays OL.

dubb93 · 11-30-2009, 02:38 PM

The only game I would buy this christmas that he could make is TCY 2. I would also take either a TCY or FOF free update.

I've really been holding out hope for a good college football game for as long as I can remember and it seems like I'm always disappointed. To me BBCF was a disappointment and TCY is just way too dated for me to get into again.

MizzouRah · 11-30-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Footix

Let's stop trying to figure out what this guy "means" or "seems to reveal" or whatever. Communication is clearly not his forte.
There has been no new game in 3 or 4 years, this is a dead franchise and the only people still interested is that same community that was here 10 years ago.
that's all fine and dandy but please stop worshiping this man. He did good but that was in another life. He's old news now.

Jughead Spock · 11-30-2009, 09:46 PM

Define 'or so'. As in, 'next month or so.'

MalcPow · 12-01-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead Spock

Define 'or so'. As in, 'next month or so.'

Gotta admit, the delay (and silence) on the announced maintenance update is frustrating. I may have to stop worshipping this guy.

Groo · 12-01-2009, 12:40 PM

I think the biggest problem is money. The fact is, MP leagues are desperate for new players. However, they aren't getting them. So, any new stuff coming out from Solecismic is going to be bought right away by a core group of players, then sales are going to dwindle to near nothingness. Is there enough of a following to support a time consuming project? Also, is there enough of a long term draw to keep money flowing in after the initial 200 or so people buy the product?

No matter how great the product is, the fact is that someone needs to make money worthy of the time invested. As far as FOF goes, the core following is fanatical, but is there more out there after this core group?

I think he isn't talking about it because he doesn't want to lose the core group of players, but he can't afford the time to work on it. He is probably working on something that will make him money to live off of.. then, if the time comes available or the money issues aren't pressing (we are, after all, in a bad economic time), he can work on the next installment of FOF.

Finally, consider that there is a lot of time commitment AFTER the release of the product, to fix issues.

So, you aren't hearing from him, in all likelihood, because he has better money making projects that he is working on. He would probably LIKE to work on FOF, but can't see it making the money necessary, so has to go with other things at this time. He probably WANTS to, and PLANS to, work on FOF... he just can't give a timetable as to when the situation will be right for that to happen.

Yoda · 12-01-2009, 01:11 PM

Personally, I don't think the problem is so much the lack of players as it is the over saturation of leagues availible.

Celeval · 12-01-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Groo

I think the biggest problem is money. The fact is, MP leagues are desperate for new players. However, they aren't getting them. So, any new stuff coming out from Solecismic is going to be bought right away by a core group of players, then sales are going to dwindle to near nothingness. Is there enough of a following to support a time consuming project? Also, is there enough of a long term draw to keep money flowing in after the initial 200 or so people buy the product?

It's been stated a number of times by Solecismic that the group of people on FOFC is only a very small percentage of overall customers. Not sure how accurate or what numbers are there, but take that for what you will.

Yoda · 12-01-2009, 01:14 PM

As for the roster update, I tend to look more at it like maybe he's found the drive again and is looking at some of the issues with the current release.

If there isn't something by the middle of Jan or so, then I'll start to wonder.

Nogram · 12-01-2009, 01:49 PM

So we get the roster update patch just before the superbowl???

Also, about the sales comment above, I think that the landscape could be ripe for a very successful launch. With Steam and Impulse there is a whole new audience that could be reached.

Nogram

beargrowlz · 12-01-2009, 02:34 PM

I'm not holding my breath, after all it's a business and he may have better options than making another product I like. So he'll do what's best for him, as he should,

FWIW, I've gotten far, far, far more than my money's worth out of the FOF and TCY series, so I'm a satisfied customer. If he produced another football or sports game I'd likely buy it - his track record provides good value for the money.

Cheers,
-Bear

Illinihopefull · 12-01-2009, 04:48 PM

I am in as much frustration as the next guy that there has not been anything. Would you think if he is not working on some sort of update that he would put something on his website. Why mislead? Why make the statement in the podcast? I would assume,( make ass of you or me) if he would cancel the series or not do any more updates that Jim would state something.. at least most companies do.. Football text simming is not going to last long.. Jim was our only hope for the future.. Greydog = dead, wolverines = dead. Action pc football = not good... I hate to say it, but pc football is dead... Anyone else want to attend the funeral?

sidthelid · 12-01-2009, 05:11 PM

If he was going to release something then surely it was best for his business to do so at the start of the season when more people want to play a football game, not at Superbowl time. Also why would he update FOF 2007 to a web based game if most of his customers are SP Players, that makes no sense either, maybe a completely new game. Why would he tell us if FOF is not to be continued, that would make any potential new buyer stop and think before buying it if the game is not going to be supported etc moving forward. Seriously when was the last time he posted, updated his web site etc. Wolverine have just posted that they will not release there game before April 2010 as well.

Fonzie · 12-01-2009, 09:45 PM

If Jim truly is not going to keep working on FOF (and what behavior can we point to and say "yeah, he looks like he's going to keep up with this game"?) then the best thing he could do for MP leagues is to release the source code. Let the community develop the game from here on out, if he won't be doing so.

Not going to happen, but that's my answer to the question posed in this thread.

MizzouRah · 12-01-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by beargrowlz

I'm not holding my breath, after all it's a business and he may have better options than making another product I like. So he'll do what's best for him, as he should,

FWIW, I've gotten far, far, far more than my money's worth out of the FOF and TCY series, so I'm a satisfied customer. If he produced another football or sports game I'd likely buy it - his track record provides good value for the money.

Cheers,
-Bear

I don't think anyone would say they haven't had the game pay for itself many times over, we are all fans of his games and it's just frustrating not to hear anything for so long - I know that's the way Jim does things..

I'm a seasonal gamer, so I've set Puresim aside and have been playing FOF - I just like that push that an update does for the game.

I honestly believe he's working on TCY 2... just a gut feeling.

MalcPow · 12-01-2009, 10:37 PM

As a somewhat serious suggestion, the ability to customize league size would be enormously beneficial to MP leagues and commissioners. It's just really hard to form a social/competitive circle of 32 people in my mind. I know some leagues were able to sustain that for a period of time, but I think it's an unnatural number for these sorts of things. A smaller league with, say, 16 teams might be able to push through with little turnover and more engaged ownership. It is so rare to see an MP draft without a handful of inexperienced or unrepenting owners that hold things up inexplicably that it's not even enjoyable when things run smoothly. It ends up being disorienting and you regret not having enjoyed the actual decision making process because you were building lists to not be another asshole.

I know this is basically an impossible request at this point, just putting it out there as something that might be a very real benefit to league enjoyment.

RedKingGold · 12-01-2009, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fonzie

If Jim truly is not going to keep working on FOF (and what behavior can we point to and say "yeah, he looks like he's going to keep up with this game"?) then the best thing he could do for MP leagues is to release the source code. Let the community develop the game from here on out, if he won't be doing so.

Not going to happen, but that's my answer to the question posed in this thread.

I like it. It'll never happen, but it's the best answer to this thread yet.

EDIT: Especially tied with MP's post above.

stevew · 12-01-2009, 11:14 PM

I'm more depressed that the genre of games seems to be dead.

I figure that Jim will pop in and thank everyone when he is finally done coding games. Until that day comes I will assume he is working on things when the mood hits him.

sidthelid · 12-02-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I will assume he is working on things when the mood hits him.

Assumption is the mother of all f-ck ups

RedKingGold · 12-02-2009, 06:35 PM

I hope someone talks you into coming down from the rim, there, sid.

sidthelid · 12-02-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

I hope someone talks you into coming down from the rim, there, sid.

sorry did i almost type a rude word

Illinihopefull · 12-10-2009, 06:48 PM

this game has died... pretty sad no update of any kind this season.. I purchased every version.. I really like the first version on how you could bet on the games... With no response, pretty sad from Jim, I guess he does not care on future installments or future updates.. You would at least think he would post something to his followers... Just like all things, good things must come to an end... Football text sims are dying, or dead.... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!!!

headtrauma · 12-10-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MalcPow

As a somewhat serious suggestion, the ability to customize league size would be enormously beneficial to MP leagues and commissioners.

How dare you ask for something that OOTP has offered since the late 1990's!

RedKingGold · 12-10-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Illinihopefull

this game has died... pretty sad no update of any kind this season.. I purchased every version.. I really like the first version on how you could bet on the games... With no response, pretty sad from Jim, I guess he does not care on future installments or future updates.. You would at least think he would post something to his followers... Just like all things, good things must come to an end... Football text sims are dying, or dead.... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!!!

Well....which is it? Dying or dead?

beeznik · 12-13-2009, 05:32 AM

I think everyone is overreacting. We had a version in 2004 and a version in 2007, yes? Before that, 2001, I think. Seems like a pattern there.

Maybe he's waiting until 2010??

Flasch186 · 12-13-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by beeznik

I think everyone is overreacting. We had a version in 2004 and a version in 2007, yes? Before that, 2001, I think. Seems like a pattern there.

Maybe he's waiting until 2010??

+1

and being mean to boot.

Jughead Spock · 12-13-2009, 11:01 AM

The worship is back ON!

11-20-2009, 10:31 AM	#2
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Come out with a new and improved version of the game. Last edited by RedKingGold : 11-20-2009 at 10:32 AM.

11-20-2009, 10:39 AM	#4
ShaneTheMaster High School JV Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tampa, FL	communicate __________________ ShaneTheMaster GM, Savannah Kings (WOOF2) Ex-GM, Austin Rage (USFL) Ex-GM, Cincinatti Bengals, (Replicated NFL) Ex-GM, Tampa Bay Surge, (WLAF)

11-20-2009, 11:19 AM	#7
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	More American Idol commentary. __________________ Indiana Hoosiers Football - 2025-26 National Champs The FOFC Ladder History thread

11-20-2009, 11:30 AM	#8
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	1. Automate turn execution. Monitor folder for files / time expiring, import, run sim, export. 2. Allow the commish to edit EVERYTHING, including contracts, moving players without needing a trade, etc. 3. Allow users to change passwords. Single password means as folks come and go, someone else has the password for your team. 4. Allow users to open and browse the league without actually having a team. 5. City editor. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

11-20-2009, 01:27 PM	#9
beargrowlz High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia	Integrate the capacity for multiple leagues into the game to do away with batch files. Many of the younger players stare at me blankly (metaphorically) when given instructions on batch files because they've never even heard of DOS. Cheers, -Bear __________________ -Beargrowlz [email protected] TCY Golden Scribe Winner - Bear Goes Home "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out." --Thomas B. Macaulay

11-20-2009, 10:37 AM	#3
bwyant32 n00b Join Date: Jan 2007	Tell me how to get this MP allocation league up and running

11-20-2009, 10:48 AM	#5
Epi_862 Mascot Join Date: Mar 2008	Work on the game.

11-20-2009, 10:51 AM	#6
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	Publish TCY 2

11-20-2009, 01:41 PM	#10
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Seriously though, it's time to create some kind of web-based version.

11-20-2009, 01:52 PM	#11
Nogram Mascot Join Date: Nov 2006	I am not even going to start...just walking away this time.

11-20-2009, 07:30 PM	#13
sidthelid Mascot Join Date: Dec 2007	involve us, communicate, release the patch he has promised, sort the bugs out, etc etc etc etc etc

11-20-2009, 08:17 PM	#14
Yoda High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Woodstock, GA	2nd everything Greg and Bear said. __________________ Championships Won CCFL 2040 PFL 2015 2022 2026 2046 FFL 2013 2014 2015 RNFL 2014 2029 GMFL 2009 HFL 1983 1987 1990 TFL 1983 vNFL 2024 GML 2011 WOOF 2018

11-21-2009, 11:01 AM	#17
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Alex: What is update the rosters and release a patch?

11-21-2009, 03:07 PM	#20
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Eliminate the batch files requirement as bear said. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

11-21-2009, 06:53 PM	#22
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	TCY patch that includes: --updated conference affiliations. --the ability for conferences to increase/decrease in prestige --updated bowl setup, with the new BCS arrangement and where bowls are set up to renegotiate with conferences every four years, based on the conferences' prestige. --allow teams to sign up to 25 scholarship players per year/85 total. --if he wanted to totally blow my mind, I'd love to see periodic conference expansion/realignment (dissolution of the SWAC, Big 8 to Big 12, ACC/Big 10 adding one team, etc.). I'd be psyched with that and happily pay between $10-20 for it. As the fan of a Big East team, it is hard for me to get immersed in a 7-team Big East that doesn't include 3 of the current teams. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers? Last edited by Swaggs : 11-21-2009 at 06:56 PM.

11-29-2009, 05:21 PM	#23
sidthelid Mascot Join Date: Dec 2007	I have just listened to the POD cast again and i think it's pretty clear nothing is coming in the forseeable future which is a big shame. Jim says he would like to release a maintenace upgrade at the start of the season , well it's week 11 now so i would suggest it's not a delay it's just not coming (hopefully i am very wrong). What made me laugh was though when Jim said "I like to stay in touch once in a while and i try to do that". Just when was the last post from Jim?! He also says he is working on something but now is not the time to mention what it is, that says to me it's some time off that's if it has something to do with FOF or TCY's. Ok the interview was a little time ago so maybe there will be some news this decade LOL. Lastly he says i am not working in another field entirely, that says to me he is working in another area but not totally. That's kind of worrying. I think we are stuck with what we have for a while yet, hopefully someone else brings out an up to date game as FOF is tired. Last edited by sidthelid : 11-29-2009 at 05:23 PM.

11-30-2009, 09:46 PM	#27
Jughead Spock High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lowcountry, SC	Define 'or so'. As in, 'next month or so.'

12-01-2009, 12:40 PM	#29
Groo Mascot Join Date: May 2009	I think the biggest problem is money. The fact is, MP leagues are desperate for new players. However, they aren't getting them. So, any new stuff coming out from Solecismic is going to be bought right away by a core group of players, then sales are going to dwindle to near nothingness. Is there enough of a following to support a time consuming project? Also, is there enough of a long term draw to keep money flowing in after the initial 200 or so people buy the product? No matter how great the product is, the fact is that someone needs to make money worthy of the time invested. As far as FOF goes, the core following is fanatical, but is there more out there after this core group? I think he isn't talking about it because he doesn't want to lose the core group of players, but he can't afford the time to work on it. He is probably working on something that will make him money to live off of.. then, if the time comes available or the money issues aren't pressing (we are, after all, in a bad economic time), he can work on the next installment of FOF. Finally, consider that there is a lot of time commitment AFTER the release of the product, to fix issues. So, you aren't hearing from him, in all likelihood, because he has better money making projects that he is working on. He would probably LIKE to work on FOF, but can't see it making the money necessary, so has to go with other things at this time. He probably WANTS to, and PLANS to, work on FOF... he just can't give a timetable as to when the situation will be right for that to happen.

12-01-2009, 01:11 PM	#30
Yoda High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Woodstock, GA	Personally, I don't think the problem is so much the lack of players as it is the over saturation of leagues availible. __________________ Championships Won CCFL 2040 PFL 2015 2022 2026 2046 FFL 2013 2014 2015 RNFL 2014 2029 GMFL 2009 HFL 1983 1987 1990 TFL 1983 vNFL 2024 GML 2011 WOOF 2018

12-01-2009, 01:14 PM	#32
Yoda High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Woodstock, GA	As for the roster update, I tend to look more at it like maybe he's found the drive again and is looking at some of the issues with the current release. If there isn't something by the middle of Jan or so, then I'll start to wonder. __________________ Championships Won CCFL 2040 PFL 2015 2022 2026 2046 FFL 2013 2014 2015 RNFL 2014 2029 GMFL 2009 HFL 1983 1987 1990 TFL 1983 vNFL 2024 GML 2011 WOOF 2018

12-01-2009, 01:49 PM	#33
Nogram Mascot Join Date: Nov 2006	So we get the roster update patch just before the superbowl??? Also, about the sales comment above, I think that the landscape could be ripe for a very successful launch. With Steam and Impulse there is a whole new audience that could be reached. Nogram

12-01-2009, 02:34 PM	#34
beargrowlz High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia	I'm not holding my breath, after all it's a business and he may have better options than making another product I like. So he'll do what's best for him, as he should, FWIW, I've gotten far, far, far more than my money's worth out of the FOF and TCY series, so I'm a satisfied customer. If he produced another football or sports game I'd likely buy it - his track record provides good value for the money. Cheers, -Bear __________________ -Beargrowlz [email protected] TCY Golden Scribe Winner - Bear Goes Home "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out." --Thomas B. Macaulay Last edited by beargrowlz : 12-01-2009 at 02:35 PM.

12-01-2009, 04:48 PM	#35
Illinihopefull n00b Join Date: Dec 2007	I am in as much frustration as the next guy that there has not been anything. Would you think if he is not working on some sort of update that he would put something on his website. Why mislead? Why make the statement in the podcast? I would assume,( make ass of you or me) if he would cancel the series or not do any more updates that Jim would state something.. at least most companies do.. Football text simming is not going to last long.. Jim was our only hope for the future.. Greydog = dead, wolverines = dead. Action pc football = not good... I hate to say it, but pc football is dead... Anyone else want to attend the funeral?

12-01-2009, 05:11 PM	#36
sidthelid Mascot Join Date: Dec 2007	If he was going to release something then surely it was best for his business to do so at the start of the season when more people want to play a football game, not at Superbowl time. Also why would he update FOF 2007 to a web based game if most of his customers are SP Players, that makes no sense either, maybe a completely new game. Why would he tell us if FOF is not to be continued, that would make any potential new buyer stop and think before buying it if the game is not going to be supported etc moving forward. Seriously when was the last time he posted, updated his web site etc. Wolverine have just posted that they will not release there game before April 2010 as well.

12-01-2009, 09:45 PM	#37
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	If Jim truly is not going to keep working on FOF (and what behavior can we point to and say "yeah, he looks like he's going to keep up with this game"?) then the best thing he could do for MP leagues is to release the source code. Let the community develop the game from here on out, if he won't be doing so. Not going to happen, but that's my answer to the question posed in this thread.

12-01-2009, 10:37 PM	#39
MalcPow College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego	As a somewhat serious suggestion, the ability to customize league size would be enormously beneficial to MP leagues and commissioners. It's just really hard to form a social/competitive circle of 32 people in my mind. I know some leagues were able to sustain that for a period of time, but I think it's an unnatural number for these sorts of things. A smaller league with, say, 16 teams might be able to push through with little turnover and more engaged ownership. It is so rare to see an MP draft without a handful of inexperienced or unrepenting owners that hold things up inexplicably that it's not even enjoyable when things run smoothly. It ends up being disorienting and you regret not having enjoyed the actual decision making process because you were building lists to not be another asshole. I know this is basically an impossible request at this point, just putting it out there as something that might be a very real benefit to league enjoyment. Last edited by MalcPow : 12-01-2009 at 10:38 PM.

12-01-2009, 11:14 PM	#41
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'm more depressed that the genre of games seems to be dead. I figure that Jim will pop in and thank everyone when he is finally done coding games. Until that day comes I will assume he is working on things when the mood hits him.

12-02-2009, 06:35 PM	#43
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	I hope someone talks you into coming down from the rim, there, sid.

12-10-2009, 06:48 PM	#45
Illinihopefull n00b Join Date: Dec 2007	this game has died... pretty sad no update of any kind this season.. I purchased every version.. I really like the first version on how you could bet on the games... With no response, pretty sad from Jim, I guess he does not care on future installments or future updates.. You would at least think he would post something to his followers... Just like all things, good things must come to an end... Football text sims are dying, or dead.... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!!!

12-13-2009, 05:32 AM	#48
beeznik n00b Join Date: Feb 2006	I think everyone is overreacting. We had a version in 2004 and a version in 2007, yes? Before that, 2001, I think. Seems like a pattern there. Maybe he's waiting until 2010??

12-13-2009, 11:01 AM	#50
Jughead Spock High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lowcountry, SC	The worship is back ON!

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