2011 FOFC NFL Auction/Keeper League - (DRAFT 8/28, 12 PM PST)

[kingfc22]

Here are the teams from last year. Please post if you are interested in coming back.

We have a few weeks to iron out details. I've copied and pasted the rules from last year.

2010 Season Champs: Party at Moon Tower


1. kingfc22 - Fremont 49ers
2. lathum - Lathums Brew Crew
3. Mckorski - titustron (2010: bed intruders)
4. Julio Riddols - Errors in Judgement (2010: DT's Terrible Team)
5. raiders army - Weedeaters (2010: Violent Nuggets)
6. doug5984 - Louisiana Cyclones
7. Molly Murphy - Mollys Murphys (2010:Stagga Lees MVPs)
8. hifirevival - Moloka'i Warriors
9. arles - Party at Moon Tower
10. NorvTurnerOverdrive - NorvTurnerOverdrive (2010: #TeamNoopGIFs)
11. Juve - End Zone Gladiators (2010: NorvTurnerOverdrive)
12. spleen1015 - Touchdown Mafia (2010:Panerds Poltergeists)
13. scoobz - TheGiantsSuck
14.danny - Roadkill Cafe

*bold indicates coming back


Draft: 8/28 @12pm PST


Scoring
Passing
- 1 pt. per 20 yds.
- 6 pts. per TD
- (-2) pts. per INT
- 2 pts. @300 yds
- 4 pts. @350 yds
- 6 pts. @400 yds

Rushing
- 1 pt. per 10 yds.
- 6 pts. per TD
- 2 pts. @100 yds
- 4 pts. @150 yds
- 6 pts. @200 yds

Receiving
- 1 pt. per 10 yds.
- 6 pts. per TD
- 2 pts. @100 yds
- 4 pts. @150 yds
- 6 pts. @200 yds

Misc
- 2 pts. per 2 pt conversion
- (-2) pts. per fumbles lost
- 6 pts. per offensive fumble return TD

Kicking
- 3 pts. per FG (0-19 yd)
- 3 pts. per FG (20-29 yd)
- 3 pts. per FG (30-39 yd)
- 4 pts. per FG (40-49 yd)
- 6 pts. per FG (50+ yd)
- (-2) pts. per missed FG (0-19 yd)
- (-1) pts. per missed FG (20-39 yd)
- 1 pt. per PAT
- (-1) pt. per PAT missed

Defense
- 1 pt. per sack
- 2 pts. per INT
- 2 pts. per fumble recovery
- 6 pts. per TD
- 2 pts. per safety
- 2 pts. per blocked kick
- 6 pts. per KO or Punt Ret. TD
- 10 pts. per 0 pts. allowed
- 7 pts. per 1-6 pts. allowed
- 4 pts. per 7-13 pts. allowed
- 1 pt. per 14-20 pts. allowed
- 0 pts. per 21-27 pts. allowed
- (-1) pt. per 28-34 pts. allowed
- (-4) pts. per 35+ pts. allowed

Roster Info:

1 QB
2 RB
3 WR
1 TE
1 K
1 DEF/ST

With 6 on the bench and 1 spot for injured reserve.


Each team will be given $200 for the auction. This money does not carry over to the season so you should spend it all.

Each team will be given $50 for waivers. This dollar amount can be utilized in trades. Waivers will work like this:

In a Free Agents Acquisition Budgets (FAAB) waivers system, each manager receives a dollar amount to place blind bids on waived players. The manager with the highest bid at the end of the waiver period claims that player and that bid amount is deducted from the team's acquisition budget. If multiple managers place an equal bid on a player waiver claims will be processed in reverse order of standings and each successful claim moves a manager to the end of the waiver priority list. Waiver period will last Sunday-Tuesday with final bids in by 11:59 PM EST.


Prior to next season each team will be able to keep up to 3 players (QB, RB, WR/TE). If a player is kept their salary will increase by $10 per year. (For example, you bid $50 for Chris Johnson and win the auction for him. If you keep him next year, his price would be $60. If he is kept for a second season in a row, his salary would be $70, etc.) A FA pickup can be used as a keeper for $11. If a player is kept for 3 seasons, that player will become a FA in year 4.

[Lathum]

In

[Scoobz0202]

In

[kingfc22]

Please post if you have any rule changes that you would like discussed.

I'd like to look into tweaking QB scoring to the following:

Scoring
Passing
- 1 pt. per 25 yds.
- 5 pts. per TD
- (-2) pts. per INT
- 1 pts. @300 yds
- 3 pts. @350 yds
- 5 pts. @400 yds

I'll work on getting rosters up with salaries from last year soon.

[Scoobz0202]

I was actually going to suggest maybe 4 pts per td for Qb's, but I could be on board for 5.

Did we ever have a discussion on the flex position instead of the 3rd WR?

[Lathum]

If there are any open teams my wife would like to play

[kingfc22]

Roadkill Cafe (10-3, 3rd):

Aaron Rodgers - 51
Calvin Johnson - 38
Andre Johnson - 52
Miles Austin - 35
Nick Folk - 1
Chicago - 1
Chris Cooley - 2
Jabar Gaffney - 1
Peyton Hillis - 1
Jason Campbell - 1
Fred Jackson - 1
Todd Heap - 1
Joe Webb - 1
Oakland - 1

Touchdown Mafia (9-4, 2nd):
Chris Johnson - 73
Philip Rivers - 24
Anquan Boldin - 22
Braylan Edwards - 8
Antonio Gates - 23
Marques Colston - 27
Darren McFadden - 7
San Francisco - 4
Mario Manningham - 1
Matt Hasselback - 1
Jordan Shipley - 1
Jermaine Gresham - 1
Greg Olson - 1
Dan Carpenter - 1
San Diego - 1

Errors in Judgement(6-7, 10th)
David Gerrard - 1
Ben Rothlisberger - 7
Donovan McNabb - 7
Steven Jackson - 48
Reggie Wayne - 33
Stevie Johnson - 1
Jason Witten - 12
Thomas Jones - 5
Wes Welker - 17
Santonio Holmes - 7
Hines Ward - 12
Beanie Wells - 36
Leon Washington
Nate Keading - 7
Minnesota - 5

[kingfc22]

Bed Intruders (6-7, 12th)
Sam Bradford - 1
Adrian Peterson - 78
Larry Fitzgerald - 38
Vince Young - 3
Rob Gronkowski - 1
Shonn Greene - 40
Brandon Pettigrew - 1
Danny Amendola - 1
Darren Sproles - 1
Brandon Tate - 1
Matt Moore - 1
Vincent Jackson - 1
Joshua Cribbs - 1
Ryan Longwell - 1
Carolina - 1

Fremont 49ers (6-7, 8th)
Matt Schaub - 28
Maurice Jones-Drew - 65
Nate Washington - 1
Christopher Ivory - 1
Nate Burelson - 1
Aaron Hernandez - 1
Carnell Williams - 1
Joseph Addai - 24
Anthony Fasano - 1
Louis Murphy - 2
Randy Moss - 45
Jason Avant - 1
Neil Rackers - 1
New England - 1
Tennessee - 1

Molly Murphys (4-9, 11th)
Matt Ryan - 7
Jamaal Charles - 41
LaDanian Tomlinson - 3
Kenny Britt - 5
Brandon Jacobs - 1
Derrick Mason - 9
Davone Bess - 1
Jonathan Stewart - 20
Zach Miller - 9
Roy Williams - 1
Donald Driver - 13
Matthew Stafford - 4
Darrius Heyward-Bey - 1
Garrett Hartley - 10
Pittsburgh - 5

[kingfc22]

Lathums Brew Crew (7-6, 7th)
Tom Brady - 33
Dwayne Bowe
Ray Rice - 66
Hakeem Nicks - 12
LeGarrette Blount - 1
Steve Breaston - 4
Brent Celek - 13
Patrick Crayton - 1
T.J. Houshmandzadeh - 1
C.J. Spiller - 15
John Carlson - 1
Mason Crosby - 5
Lawrence Tynes - 1
Dallas - 2
Baltimore - 4

NorvTurnerOverdrive (9-4, 6th)
Joe Flacco- 20
Cedric Benson - 44
Terrell Owens - 9
Brett Favre - 1
Percy Harvin - 11
Vernon Davis - 21
Danny Woodhead
Dez Bryant - 5
Lee Evans - 8
Brian Westbrook - 1
Sidney Rice - 1
James Starks - 1
Sebastion Janikowski - 1
New Orleans - 1

Louisiana Cyclones (5-8, 9th)
Peyton Manning - 36
Brandon Lloyd - 1
Mike Wallace - 8
Jahvid Best - 35
Michael Bush - 8
Michael Crabtree - 18
Tim Hightower - 1
Dustin Keller - 1
Eddie Royal - 2
Jeremy Shockey - 1
Devery Henderson - 1
DeAngelo Williams - 41
Reggie Bush - 8
Rob Bironas - 2
New York Jets - 9

#TeamNoopGifs (9-4, 4th)
Matt Cassel - 1
Michael Turner - 65
Jon Kitna - 1
Greg Jennings - 33
Ahmad Bradshaw - 9
Knowshon Moreno - 26
Jeremy Maclin - 11
Austin Collie - 5
Marshawn Lynch - 1
Mike Williams - 1
Earl Bennett - 1
Brandon Gibson - 1
Owen Daniels - 1
David Akers - 1
Cleveland - 1

[kingfc22]

Party at Moon Tower (8-5, 1st)
Drew Brees - 45
Carson Palmer - 1
Matt Forte - 21
Rashard Mendenhall - 51
Roddy White - 34
BenJarvus Green-Ellis - 1
Frank Gore - 1
Santana Moss - 6
Ryan Torian - 1
Lance Moore - 1
Chad Ochocinco - 15
Anthony Armstrong - 1
Jacob Tamme- 1
Andre Caldwell - 1
Matt Bryant - 1
Philadelphia - 4

The Giants Suck (7-6, 5th)
Arian Foster - 35
Eli Manning - 8
Shaun Hill - 1
Chad Henne - 3
Mike Williams - 4
Felix Jones - 20
Brandon Marshall - 31
Johnny Knox - 12
Marcedes Lewis - 1
Ryan Mathews - 49
Mike Sims-Walker - 15
Tony Gonzalez - 10
Willis McGahee - 4
Billy Cundiff - 1
Denver - 1

Violent Nuggets (1-12, 14th)
Josh Freeman - 1
Jay Cutler - 15
LeSean McCoy - 27
Mike Tolbert - 1
Deion Branch - 1
Mike Thomas - 1
Kellen Winslow - 10
Kevin Walter - 1
Devin Hester - 3
Pierre Thomas - 32
Legedu Naanee - 1
Demaryius Thomas - 1
Matt Prater - 1
Green Bay - 1
New York Giants - 1

Moloka'i Warriors (4-9, 13th)
Michael Vick - 1
Kyle Orton - 2
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 1
DeSean Jackson - 35
Ronnie Brown - 26
Pierre Garcon - 13
Robert Meachem - 16
Benjamin Watson - 1
Keiland Williams - 1
Steve Smith (CAR) - 28
Brian Hartline - 1
Marion Barber - 16
Steve Smith (NYG) - 19
Adam Venatieri - 1
Indianapolis - 1

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Did we ever have a discussion on the flex position instead of the 3rd WR?

I don't believe we did, but we can vote on it as a league if the majority wants to get rid of the 3rd WR.

[Lathum]

how are free agents that we want to keep determined?

I picked up LaGarret Blount last year and want to keep him

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Lathum

how are free agents that we want to keep determined?

I picked up LaGarret Blount last year and want to keep him

We decided to go $11 if you wanted to keep a FA ($1 +$10).

Should we limit teams to 1 FA keeper per team or call it smart GM'ing if the owner was able to pick up 3 studs during the season the prior year?

[Lathum]

I say smart GMing, it certainly wouldn't be fair to introduce now.

[Danny]

Im in again and signed up on yahoo

[Arles]

I'm in again. Gotta repeat the title

[spleen1015]

I'll play if there is an opening.

[Danny]

The problem I have with changing scoring though is our values are set based on last year's scoring.

[Arles]

I agree with Danny. Also, with as many teams, I like having the flexibility of using either a RB or WR for that 3rd spot (2 RB, 2 WR, 1 RB/WR). I can see doing that, but downgrading QB value hurts the keeper aspect of QBs.

[Scoobz0202]

Is there a way to see how the scoring by position was in our league last year?

[Doug5984]

I'll be back

[Doug5984]

and I would be for changing # 3 WR to a flex, keeping the scoring the same, and can keep as many FA's as you want (smart GM-ing)

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Is there a way to see how the scoring by position was in our league last year?

If you log into the league, there is a drop down menu on the right hand side of the screen.

You can review rosters there.

Take Andre Johnson (1216 yds, 8 TD's, 186.6 pts) and Calvin Johnson (1120 yds, 12 TD's, 201.2 pts) as an example and compare them to Jason Campbell (2387 yds, 13 TD's, 8 INT, 211 pts) and Jon Kitna (2365 yds, 16 TD's, 12 INT, 225.25 pts).

I like having QB's weighted a little more heavily to get away from those standard RB dominated leagues, but IMO this setup goes too far in that direction. What if we adjusted the QB scoring and only added $5 this year to their salary if they are a keeper?

[Arles]

QBs are always going to score more. Even if you knock the value from 6-4 for passing TDs, Kitna (195 points) is still more than Andre Johnson (187).

What is important is having a difference between top, middle and lower tiers by position. Heck, kickers score a ton but there isn't that much of a delta between them over time.

Under the current system, #1 Tom Brady (3900, 36 Td, 4 INT) is worth 418, compared to #23 Kitna at 225 with 2365/16/15. If you knock down TDs to 4, then Brady is 340 and Kitna is still 195. That difference goes from a 46% scoring advantage to having 1 to 23, down to a 41% advantage. To compare that to HBs, the #1 HB (Foster) scored 355 compared to the #23 HB (Thomas Jones) who had 139. That difference is over 60% in total points at HB. For WR, it's almost 50% between 1 and 23. Knocking QBs down from 46% to 41% makes getting a top QB almost useless - esp if it costs you at RB and WR.

If this year's 23rd best QB is going to be within 60% of the top QB (ie, Brady), it makes a lot more sense to get the top HBs and forget QBs. The #23 HB figures to only be within 39% of the top guy. In other words, Kitna+Foster gives you 550, while Brady+TJones gives you 479. In the current scoring, Kitna+Foster are 580, while Brady+Jones are 557 - a much fairer distribution.

[Lathum]

huh

[spleen1015]

Arles, your post is exactly why I was able to make the playoffs 3 years in a row after drafting Aaron Brooks in the 8th all 3 years when he was the starter for New Orleans.

[kingfc22]

We still have 6 teams yet to respond. Going to send out PM's to each of them and will set a deadline of Thursday 9 PM PST.

At that point I will start adding from the waitlist.

[Arles]

Honestly, I'd be ok with 4, 5 or 6 points for passing TDs. My post sounded a little too "heavy" for the purpose. I just feel the QB position is mitigated in leagues with 4 pt TDs, but I have been in many and it's no biggie.

[panerd]

I won't be returning, have too many fantasy football teams already and feel like I won't put any effort into this league. It was fun though, loved the auction, hope whoever gets my team doesn't get mad about what I left for them. I am a big believer in going for it all in keeper leagues and almost had it.

EDIT: King thanks for running the league!

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Arles

QBs are always going to score more. Even if you knock the value from 6-4 for passing TDs, Kitna (195 points) is still more than Andre Johnson (187).

What is important is having a difference between top, middle and lower tiers by position. Heck, kickers score a ton but there isn't that much of a delta between them over time.

Under the current system, #1 Tom Brady (3900, 36 Td, 4 INT) is worth 418, compared to #23 Kitna at 225 with 2365/16/15. If you knock down TDs to 4, then Brady is 340 and Kitna is still 195. That difference goes from a 46% scoring advantage to having 1 to 23, down to a 41% advantage. To compare that to HBs, the #1 HB (Foster) scored 355 compared to the #23 HB (Thomas Jones) who had 139. That difference is over 60% in total points at HB. For WR, it's almost 50% between 1 and 23. Knocking QBs down from 46% to 41% makes getting a top QB almost useless - esp if it costs you at RB and WR.

If this year's 23rd best QB is going to be within 60% of the top QB (ie, Brady), it makes a lot more sense to get the top HBs and forget QBs. The #23 HB figures to only be within 39% of the top guy. In other words, Kitna+Foster gives you 550, while Brady+TJones gives you 479. In the current scoring, Kitna+Foster are 580, while Brady+Jones are 557 - a much fairer distribution.

Very good post and why I prefer the same scoring for QB's as last season. This is also the basis of value based drafting which I use. Of course I have Aaron Rodgers which you could say biases my opinion, but one of the reasons I signed up for this league (and the fofc hardcore league) is that QB's have more value than a typical league where the best strategy is to load up on RB's and draft a QB or two in the middle rounds. Honestly, I don't care for typical league scoring.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Danny

Very good post and why I prefer the same scoring for QB's as last season. This is also the basis of value based drafting which I use. Of course I have Aaron Rodgers which you could say biases my opinion, but one of the reasons I signed up for this league (and the fofc hardcore league) is that QB's have more value than a typical league where the best strategy is to load up on RB's and draft a QB or two in the middle rounds. Honestly, I don't care for typical league scoring.

Cool. I definitely wanted QB's to have an extra edge in this league, but was just thinking that it was too much last season.

I'm okay with keeping it the same.

[Arles]

Since I added Gore as a FA for $1, does that mean it would cost $11 to keep him? Or would I have to add $10 to the winning draft bid (even though it wasn't by me)?

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Arles

Since I added Gore as a FA for $1, does that mean it would cost $11 to keep him? Or would I have to add $10 to the winning draft bid (even though it wasn't by me)?

I think we are going by the last transaction (aka smart gm'ing). But we can vote on it once the league fills up.

[Danny]

While the jealous part of me says you should have to pay the original auction price, I vote for you to pay $11 as that rewards smart GM play.

[Danny]

Though I wonder if going forward, free agent pickups should have the dollar value that was paid for them in waivers as opposed to being $1 automatically.

[Danny]

Also, when are keepers due? I just need to decide which WR to keep.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Danny

Though I wonder if going forward, free agent pickups should have the dollar value that was paid for them in waivers as opposed to being $1 automatically.

I think that's a good idea (of course I also picked up Gore for nothing ). I would say even half the FA money spent is better.

As to the dollar keeper question, I thought that was the logic for having the injured reserve spot. If you draft a Ryan Grant or Gore and they get hurt, the logic is to use the IR spot to ensure no one else can pick him up as a cheap keeper the next year. It adds some strategy to holding on to injured top picks.

Is there a limit for keepers? I know they cost more, but if someone happened to get 4 good $1 guys and a "cheap" draft pick - that could really upset the balance for the next year. I'm really on the fence here, but do we want to set a limit for keepers at 3? Just curious to what people think.

[Danny]

I thought the limit was 3 overall and no more than 1 at a given position?

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Arles

I think that's a good idea (of course I also picked up Gore for nothing ). I would say even half the FA money spent is better.

As to the dollar keeper question, I thought that was the logic for having the injured reserve spot. If you draft a Ryan Grant or Gore and they get hurt, the logic is to use the IR spot to ensure no one else can pick him up as a cheap keeper the next year. It adds some strategy to holding on to injured top picks.

Is there a limit for keepers? I know they cost more, but if someone happened to get 4 good $1 guys and a "cheap" draft pick - that could really upset the balance for the next year. I'm really on the fence here, but do we want to set a limit for keepers at 3? Just curious to what people think.

Yes, the IR spot was there for that reason, but some GM's may have not paid attention. Thus you lucked out.

From the rules:
"Prior to next season each team will be able to keep up to 3 players (QB, RB, WR/TE)."

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Danny

Also, when are keepers due? I just need to decide which WR to keep.

Existing owners have 3 hours left to state their intentions then it is open for anyone to fill in the remaining teams.

I'd say keepers need to be submitted 72 hours prior to the draft which I have currently reserved for the 28th if I recall correctly.

[Arles]

Cool, glad to see the 3-man limit is in. So, I take it I can prepare with the idea of keeping Gore at $11?

Also, are we officially going from 2-HB, 3-WR to 2-HB, 2-WR, 1 HB/WR?

[Doug5984]

For our keepers are we allowed to keep more than 1 RB, or WR- or do we only get 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR?

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Arles

Cool, glad to see the 3-man limit is in. So, I take it I can prepare with the idea of keeping Gore at $11?

Also, are we officially going from 2-HB, 3-WR to 2-HB, 2-WR, 1 HB/WR?

I'm okay with changing it to a Flex position.

Originally Posted by Doug5984

For our keepers are we allowed to keep more than 1 RB, or WR- or do we only get 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR?

I'd like to keep it one at each position, but am open to opinions.

[kingfc22]

7 open teams. Please see the first post for which teams they are.

Posts 7-10 contain all the final rosters.

First come, first served!

[Danny]

Also, for people who are considering signing up remember that you don't have to keep players. If you pick a bad roster, you can just go into the auction completely fresh without any bad values.

On the flex option, I prefer to keep it 3 WR. That's how I would vote, but it's not make or break for me.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Danny

Also, for people who are considering signing up remember that you don't have to keep players. If you pick a bad roster, you can just go into the auction completely fresh without any bad values.

On the flex option, I prefer to keep it 3 WR. That's how I would vote, but it's not make or break for me.

I say once we fill up, we vote on the rosters (Flex or no Flex).

[Danny]

King when listing the rosters, maybe put an (open) next to the team name to help people see the roster of the teams that are open.

[Danny]

Panerd looks great with Mcfadden for $17, even if you only keep him, but Rivers is a nice option as well.

DT has Roethlisberger for $17, and Holmes for $17 as some good values.

[Lathum]

I love Blount for $11 and eithe Nix or Bowe for 22 or 24

[Danny]

Bed Intruders had Vincent Jackson at a real nice $11.

Stagga Lee's has Jammal Charles who despite the $51 price tag should still be a real nice value.

Norv Turner has a nice value on Dez Bryant.

Team noop with some amazing value on Ahmad Bradshaw.

Nuggets with great value on Mccoy and solid value with Freeman.

Overall each team has something to offer.