Who deserves the most blame for the Patriots loss?

[Kodos]

Poll to come.

[MJ4H]

The Giants.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

The Giants.

+1

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

The Giants.

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[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

The Giants.

rizon beat me

edit: the jews (i blame them for everything)

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

/thread

Jinx

[cartman]

I blame:

Navin R. Johnson
235 1/8 Elm Street

[BillJasper]

Brady. Gave the Giants two points and the ball which became seven points then killed a potential drive with a 'WTF?' interception.

[Autumn]

Other than the Giants, I think the next pile of blame comes on Tom Brady. He made several huge mental mistakes and threw poorly. The defense as a unit is right up there with him, but I can't see blaming the receivers. Brady was missing them a lot. I still wonder if his shoulder was bothering him. Even so he made bad choices, including of course that intentional grounding.

[stevew]

Dowling/Vareen/Ridley/Mallet all seem like really horrible choices when you could really use a few more impact bodies on defense.

[RendeR]

Honestly the real culprit here was Brady. He pulled a few WTF moments out of his ass in this game in ways he's never done in the past. I voted Belichek because he didn't seem to adjust for shit at any time during the game.

Either way it was the best result in a poor selection of options

[gstelmack]

I think it goes:

- Giants, for not making very many mistakes and playing a generally clean game. They didn't beat themselves and were there to take advantage of the Patriots mistakes.
- Brady, for some questionable decision making: not doing a better throw away on the safety, throwing deep to Gronk on the pick when they needed to burn clock and didn't need a deep ball that had little chance of working anyway, much like the pick on the conference championship game. All year long, whenever that shoulder got hurt, he turned into a very average quarterback.
- Branch, for bringing back bad memories of the Colts comeback win in the conference championship game a few years back where a bad drop killed a Pats drive and gave Manning the ball back, by dropping an in-his-hands 25 yard completion to start the final drive.
- Whoever screwed up and caused the 12th man to be on the field on the early fumble.
- The football gods, who prevented the Patriots from recovering at least one of the other two fumbles, and put Gronkowski within a foot but no closer of grabbing the Hail Mary, and thus kept the Patriots from getting that one lucky bounce that would have overcome pretty much everything else above.
- Hernandez, for dropping the pass right after Branch's and not picking the team back up when they needed it.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Gronk's ankle

(which, would be an OK, but not great, name for a band)

[spleen1015]

Giselle since she is sucking the man out of Tom?

[JPhillips]

Bernard Pollard

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by cartman

I blame:

Navin R. Johnson
235 1/8 Elm Street

Die, you random son of a bitch.

[molson]

Tough to assign "blame" where you had a less than 50/50 shot going in, but if I had to vote, then Welker as most blameworthy. If he catches a pass he usually makes then they win the super bowl. Brady and Bellichick and just about everyone else could have done better earlier and overcome that drop, but the Welker drop is so direct and clear and had a higher % of success than many things Brady/Bellichick tried and failed to do earlier.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by molson

Tough to assign "blame" where you had a less than 50/50 shot going in, but if I had to vote, then Welker as most blameworthy. If he catches a pass he usually makes then they win the super bowl. Brady and Bellichick and just about everyone else could have done better earlier and overcome that drop, but the Welker drop is so direct and clear and had a higher % of success than many things Brady/Bellichick tried and failed to do earlier.

I'm amazed that anyone blames Welker. Brady floated that ball...it was high, away, and behind the guy it was intended for.

[Fidatelo]

I don't like the idea of assigning blame at all. Why blame anyone? Did someone not prepare hard enough or take it seriously? Did someone do something egregiously dumb/selfish?

A bunch of super athletes went and played their hearts out against another bunch of equally motivated super athletes. One team had to win.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by molson

Tough to assign "blame" where you had a less than 50/50 shot going in, but if I had to vote, then Welker as most blameworthy. If he catches a pass he usually makes then they win the super bowl. Brady and Bellichick and just about everyone else could have done better earlier and overcome that drop, but the Welker drop is so direct and clear and had a higher % of success than many things Brady/Bellichick tried and failed to do earlier.

He doesn't just usually catch it. He catches it 100 out of 100 times. Right, CC?

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm amazed that anyone blames Welker. Brady floated that ball...it was high, away, and behind the guy it was intended for.

This is how I feel. The guy jumped and was stretched out as much as possible for him. The guy has made many great catches of poor throws. Hit him in the chest and he catches it.

[molson]

But if you agree that Welker "usually" catches that pass, then wouldn't that be easier, in the theory, than Brady throwing a perfect or excellent pass in that situation? If Welker (or a great WR generally) makes that catch, let's say 80% of the time, and Brady (or a great QB generally) makes the perfect throw there 50% of the time, isn't Welker more at fault? (Obviously the numbers are made up, but that's just my thinking on that....either could have completed the play with a better execution, but Welker had a better chance to, and didn't.)

If you disagree that Welker had such a high probability to catch the past, or maybe think that 80+% of QBs make that perfect or excellent throw, than that's a different story.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Gronk's ankle

(which, would be an OK, but not great, name for a band)

Random fact. He and teammates went out dancing after the game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...HRlc3QD;_ylv=3

[molson]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Random fact. He and teammates went out dancing after the game.

Only dance can heal the wounded souls of Matt Light and Rob Gronkowski | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports

A lot of Pats fans are upset that they weren't, I guess, sadly and quietly reflecting on their defeat in the solitude of their hotel rooms, but whatever, a long season is finally over, they have the right to enjoy themselves and booze and dance away the stress and sorrows of a lost game and long season. I bet Brady banged his wife a few times too.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by molson

A lot of Pats fans are upset that they weren't, I guess, sadly and quietly reflecting on their defeat in the solitude of their hotel rooms, but whatever, a long season is finally over, they have the right to enjoy themselves and booze and dance away the stress and sorrows of a lost game and long season.

I think the issue here is a bad ankle and dancing. I understand releasing stress, but dancing on a bad ankle seems odd.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by molson

I bet Brady banged his wife a few times too.

You sure she didn't pull out the strap-on and bang him?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by molson

But if you agree that Welker "usually" catches that pass, then wouldn't that be easier, in the theory, than Brady throwing a perfect or excellent pass in that situation? If Welker (or a great WR generally) makes that catch, let's say 80% of the time, and Brady (or a great QB generally) makes the perfect throw there 50% of the time, isn't Welker more at fault? (Obviously the numbers are made up, but that's just my thinking on that....either could have completed the play with a better execution, but Welker had a better chance to, and didn't.)

If you disagree that Welker had such a high probability to catch the past, or maybe think that 80+% of QBs make that perfect or excellent throw, than that's a different story.

I know you said your numbers are made up but IMO you're looking at it way wrong. Welker was wide open because of a terrible defensive assignment. Brady didn't need to make an excellent or perfect throw. He just needed to put some zip on the ball instead of floating it to the outside shoulder when Welker was running inside the numbers.

[Matthean]

Bad pass or not, Welker had the ball between both hands.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

I don't like the idea of assigning blame at all. Why blame anyone? Did someone not prepare hard enough or take it seriously? Did someone do something egregiously dumb/selfish?

A bunch of super athletes went and played their hearts out against another bunch of equally motivated super athletes. One team had to win.

+1.

Hard to blame Brady for having an unlike Brady like game when he is one of the best of all time and certainly wanted to win that game.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

+1.

Hard to blame Brady for having an unlike Brady like game when he is one of the best of all time and certainly wanted to win that game.

And many QBs would like to have that bad of a game in the Super Bowl.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Random fact. He and teammates went out dancing after the game.

Only dance can heal the wounded souls of Matt Light and Rob Gronkowski | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports

Originally Posted by molson

A lot of Pats fans are upset that they weren't, I guess, sadly and quietly reflecting on their defeat in the solitude of their hotel rooms, but whatever, a long season is finally over, they have the right to enjoy themselves and booze and dance away the stress and sorrows of a lost game and long season. I bet Brady banged his wife a few times too.

Originally Posted by Matthean

I think the issue here is a bad ankle and dancing. I understand releasing stress, but dancing on a bad ankle seems odd.

Proof that the players let go of these things way quicker than fans do.

I can understand if they were out the night before the game, but after? Would them sulking and sitting in their rooms drinking straight from the bottle before passing out change the outcome of anything? No.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Bad pass or not, Welker had the ball between both hands.

So did Brady, then he threw a shitty pass.

Could it have been caught? Of course. But a good throw and Welker possibly scores. Just like on the last drive with the throw to Branch over the middle that was also late and behind him.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Bad pass or not, Welker had the ball between both hands.

Well, I think there's a difference between "blame" for a bad game, and who could have most easily changed the outcome of the game. Sure, Welker making that catch would make a huge difference in the game. But the "blame", by which I mean who is most responsible for how the game turned out, lies more on Brady who made a large number of gaffes that led to their loss. As far as I know, Welker otherwise played well.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

I can understand if they were out the night before the game, but after? Would them sulking and sitting in their rooms drinking straight from the bottle before passing out change the outcome of anything? No.

So you completely missed my point about the ankle and went for something I had no issue with.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well, I think there's a difference between "blame" for a bad game, and who could have most easily changed the outcome of the game. Sure, Welker making that catch would make a huge difference in the game. But the "blame", by which I mean who is most responsible for how the game turned out, lies more on Brady who made a large number of gaffes that led to their loss. As far as I know, Welker otherwise played well.

I'm with you..I'm only picking on Brady for that throw because I don't think Welker should be blamed on that particular play. For him to earn the overall title of goat is absurd.

[DanGarion]

It's the FANS fault of course.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm amazed that anyone blames Welker. Brady floated that ball...it was high, away, and behind the guy it was intended for.

agreed. that was an extreamly hard pass to catch. much higher degree of difuculty than the manningham catch was that he got praise for. you rarely see a reciever catch a pass thrown over the wrong shoulder when hes backpedling. that was a bad pass to an open reciever. if Tebow threw that it would be made case 1 as to why he cant play qb

[Bad-example]

I shouted out who lost the Super Bowl
When after all it was you and me

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Matthean

So you completely missed my point about the ankle and went for something I had no issue with.

I agree dancing on the ankle is odd...and can understand fans reaction if it was the night prior to the game, and then being unable to perform. After the game...people just want something to complain about, and want to see the players to sulk at home, just like they are.

Maybe he got another shot in the locker room after the game so he'd be able to bust a move on the dance floor?

[jbergey22]

Ochocinco for not being able to figure out the Pats offense and Gronk for getting hurt and Bellicheks defense for getting old so he had to rebuild. That is where my blame would go.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Ochocinco for not being able to figure out the Pats offense and Gronk for getting hurt and Bellicheks defense for getting old so he had to rebuild. That is where my blame would go.

Ochocinco is something I can't figure out. This guys was supposed to be a top 10 WR in the NFL. Has he lost a step? Is the Patriots offense complicated and he couldn't figure it out? I find that hard to believe. Did he just not fit in with the Patriots?

[PilotMan]

The Giants

[bhlloy]

Brady missed too many throws down the stretch including the Welker one and the interception was something Rex Grossman would do on a bad day. If we have to blame someone it's not a hard choice IMO.

Ochocinco hasn't just lost one step he's lost three. At least Underwood would have given them some speed out there. Strange decision.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Giselle since she is sucking the man out of Tom?

that poor poor bastard. nothing worse that one of the Giselle sisters sucking the "life" out of a man to make you appreciate a battle axe of a woman that makes a man never to want to leave work and come home

[DougW]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

The Giants.

Originally Posted by Rizon

/thread

Pow.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by molson

Tough to assign "blame" where you had a less than 50/50 shot going in

Weren't the Patriots favored to win?

[EagleFan]

I blame Obama... Brady hasn't won since he started campaigning for President.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by molson

Tough to assign "blame" where you had a less than 50/50 shot going in, but if I had to vote, then Welker as most blameworthy. If he catches a pass he usually makes then they win the super bowl. Brady and Bellichick and just about everyone else could have done better earlier and overcome that drop, but the Welker drop is so direct and clear and had a higher % of success than many things Brady/Bellichick tried and failed to do earlier.

Originally Posted by Kodos

Weren't the Patriots favored to win?

Yes...and outside of that, how did they have a less than 50% chance of winning?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Yes...and outside of that, how did they have a less than 50% chance of winning?

Always a chance of a nuclear disaster.

[Lathum]

I would obviously say the Gians. Aside from that I go with Welker. There were some bad drops in there and Welkers was the most critical. Would it have been a tough catch, yes, but it hit him in the hands and I am a believer that as an NFL receiver if it hits you in the hands you have to make the catch. The Manningham catch was equally as difficule, if not harder since Manningham knew he was going to get blasted and he still made the play. You can look at those 2 plays as the difference in the game.