Renegotiations question

scorp · 06-10-2012, 04:51 PM

If you try to renegotiate with a player and get no numbers, meaning they really aren't interested in staying.

Is there a way to get an offer in, if it's a 1st year guy no big deal he's a RFA but for a player say in year 5-7 any tricks to get something started?

aston217 · 06-10-2012, 05:09 PM

Get no numbers? What does that mean?

Every player gives you numbers -- do you mean no extra years? If that's the case, you can easily tack on more years to it, but expect to pay a premium for that (although you can always try to land a bargain).

However, a player may only sign one deal of any kind (excluding a franchise tender). So, players in year 1 may never be renegotiated (unless you traded for them, possibly) nor players you signed or re-signed already this FA season.

scorp · 06-10-2012, 10:46 PM

While in season for a player in the last year of his deal, you can go to the negotiation screen and see salary/bonus for the current season, but anything on the offer side is just blank. if you try and put in an offer you won't see it everything is blank.

I take this as they do not want to deal and want to be FAs.
Even if the player is content and has high loyalty you can see this happen, I do notice that the agent is usually a stubborn negotiator.

is there some way to make an offer to these guys

aston217 · 06-10-2012, 10:58 PM

In the last year of a multi-year deal, the "offer side" will never be blank. I've had guys "demanding trade" and even then it wasn't blank (of course, if I tried to offer, they wouldn't accept. I think "angry" is the boundary line there).

The only way it's blank in the last year is if you signed the guy this season. That is, it's the first *and* last year of his deal. Or if you already renegotiated him once this year. In that case, the button to pull up the contract screen will read "view contract" and not "renegotiate".

You can't sign a guy from UFA or RFA and then renegotiate in the same year. Could you pull up a screenshot with that contract screen side by side with his transaction history? I am betting he's already signed a contract with you the same year.

Jughead Spock · 06-11-2012, 06:38 AM

He means something like this, happens all the time (last year of his rookie contract) -

They will take multi-year deals. Don't know the 'secret', just a decent contract. It does not mean they will turn down the contract automatically.

QuikSand · 06-11-2012, 06:44 AM

I don't know if there's a secret recipe at work there (assuming Jughead's interpretation is correct) but I often submit deals that amount to the same salary-per-year and bonus-per-year as the demand, which works at least some of the time.

Firefly · 06-11-2012, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I don't know if there's a secret recipe at work there (assuming Jughead's interpretation is correct) but I often submit deals that amount to the same salary-per-year and bonus-per-year as the demand, which works at least some of the time.

As far as I know it works all the time, but not for all contract lengths. If the bonus per year doesn't reach a certain level, the player likely won't accept more than a two-year contract.

Ben E Lou · 06-11-2012, 02:21 PM

So he doesn't mean "blank" but "just one year?"

Ben E Lou · 06-11-2012, 02:22 PM

Dola:

And yeah, those guys usually don't want much. I just triple the bonus and give 'em three years typically.

Kozure · 06-12-2012, 08:17 AM

Those odd one year contracts occur when a player is in his last year of his deal, hasnt player a great deal (started) the previous season and his base salary is above (usually well above) the amount of money he would receive in a renegotiation. That's why that one year deal is exactly the same cap cost as the season he has remaining. Simply multiplying the bonus by the number of years (3 is usually the limit since money sometimes dramatically increases with contracts 4 or more seasons in length) will get the player resigned long term.

I've run situations where a player has one year left with, say, 5 mil in base salary and since he is lower rated and received little playing time, he asked for a one year deal with 4 mil bonus and 1 mil base. So to give him an two or three year extension you had to give him 8 or 12 mil in bonus.

Ok, I'll shut up now.

scorp · 06-12-2012, 02:12 PM

This is what I am talking about, you can't put any # in for an offer the up arrow for $ amount also does not work in this case either.

Not that I want to resign this guy, but since I looked at him the last few games of the regular season this is what I get.

Jughead Spock · 06-12-2012, 02:17 PM

Oh, hell. Never seen that, unless it's someone you signed to a one-year deal, like aston said. Does the button say 'View Contract' or 'Negotiate Contract'?

scorp · 06-12-2012, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aston217

In the last year of a multi-year deal, the "offer side" will never be blank. I've had guys "demanding trade" and even then it wasn't blank (of course, if I tried to offer, they wouldn't accept. I think "angry" is the boundary line there).

The only way it's blank in the last year is if you signed the guy this season. That is, it's the first *and* last year of his deal. Or if you already renegotiated him once this year. In that case, the button to pull up the contract screen will read "view contract" and not "renegotiate".

You can't sign a guy from UFA or RFA and then renegotiate in the same year. Could you pull up a screenshot with that contract screen side by side with his transaction history? I am betting he's already signed a contract with you the same year.

He was signed to a 1 year deal to start the season that is why Thanks!

scorp · 06-12-2012, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jughead Spock

Oh, hell. Never seen that, unless it's someone you signed to a one-year deal, like aston said. Does the button say 'View Contract' or 'Negotiate Contract'?

View it's a 1 year deal, forgot about that.

06-10-2012, 05:09 PM	#2
aston217 College Prospect Join Date: Sep 2010	Get no numbers? What does that mean? Every player gives you numbers -- do you mean no extra years? If that's the case, you can easily tack on more years to it, but expect to pay a premium for that (although you can always try to land a bargain). However, a player may only sign one deal of any kind (excluding a franchise tender). So, players in year 1 may never be renegotiated (unless you traded for them, possibly) nor players you signed or re-signed already this FA season. __________________ OSFL (join us!) CFL Float likeabutterflysting likeabee.

06-10-2012, 10:46 PM	#3
scorp Mascot Join Date: Mar 2011	While in season for a player in the last year of his deal, you can go to the negotiation screen and see salary/bonus for the current season, but anything on the offer side is just blank. if you try and put in an offer you won't see it everything is blank. I take this as they do not want to deal and want to be FAs. Even if the player is content and has high loyalty you can see this happen, I do notice that the agent is usually a stubborn negotiator. is there some way to make an offer to these guys __________________ Thank you Nawlins fan and Shanethemaster for the helmet/logo work for the Richmond Rhinos of the WOOF.

06-10-2012, 10:58 PM	#4
aston217 College Prospect Join Date: Sep 2010	In the last year of a multi-year deal, the "offer side" will never be blank. I've had guys "demanding trade" and even then it wasn't blank (of course, if I tried to offer, they wouldn't accept. I think "angry" is the boundary line there). The only way it's blank in the last year is if you signed the guy this season. That is, it's the first and last year of his deal. Or if you already renegotiated him once this year. In that case, the button to pull up the contract screen will read "view contract" and not "renegotiate". You can't sign a guy from UFA or RFA and then renegotiate in the same year. Could you pull up a screenshot with that contract screen side by side with his transaction history? I am betting he's already signed a contract with you the same year. __________________ OSFL (join us!) CFL Float likeabutterflysting likeabee. Last edited by aston217 : 06-10-2012 at 10:59 PM.

06-11-2012, 06:38 AM	#5
Jughead Spock High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lowcountry, SC	He means something like this, happens all the time (last year of his rookie contract) - They will take multi-year deals. Don't know the 'secret', just a decent contract. It does not mean they will turn down the contract automatically. Last edited by Jughead Spock : 06-11-2012 at 06:39 AM.

06-11-2012, 02:21 PM	#8
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	So he doesn't mean "blank" but "just one year?" __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

06-11-2012, 06:44 AM	#6
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I don't know if there's a secret recipe at work there (assuming Jughead's interpretation is correct) but I often submit deals that amount to the same salary-per-year and bonus-per-year as the demand, which works at least some of the time.

06-11-2012, 02:22 PM	#9
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Dola: And yeah, those guys usually don't want much. I just triple the bonus and give 'em three years typically. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

06-12-2012, 08:17 AM	#10
Kozure High School JV Join Date: Apr 2004	Those odd one year contracts occur when a player is in his last year of his deal, hasnt player a great deal (started) the previous season and his base salary is above (usually well above) the amount of money he would receive in a renegotiation. That's why that one year deal is exactly the same cap cost as the season he has remaining. Simply multiplying the bonus by the number of years (3 is usually the limit since money sometimes dramatically increases with contracts 4 or more seasons in length) will get the player resigned long term. I've run situations where a player has one year left with, say, 5 mil in base salary and since he is lower rated and received little playing time, he asked for a one year deal with 4 mil bonus and 1 mil base. So to give him an two or three year extension you had to give him 8 or 12 mil in bonus. Ok, I'll shut up now. __________________ RNFL Pittsburgh Steelers USFL Denver Death IHOF Vicksburg Vipers

06-12-2012, 02:12 PM	#11
scorp Mascot Join Date: Mar 2011	This is what I am talking about, you can't put any # in for an offer the up arrow for $ amount also does not work in this case either. Not that I want to resign this guy, but since I looked at him the last few games of the regular season this is what I get. __________________ Thank you Nawlins fan and Shanethemaster for the helmet/logo work for the Richmond Rhinos of the WOOF. Last edited by scorp : 06-12-2012 at 02:14 PM.

06-12-2012, 02:17 PM	#12
Jughead Spock High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lowcountry, SC	Oh, hell. Never seen that, unless it's someone you signed to a one-year deal, like aston said. Does the button say 'View Contract' or 'Negotiate Contract'?

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