Financial Genius needed for major cap debt.

sawblade300 · 09-17-2012, 12:47 PM

I have recently put myself, not in a hole, but the grand canyon of salary cap debt.

Somehow,over the last few seasons, I have managed to put myself $5 million OVER the cap. This is a cap reduced league. So it's tough enough without this happening.

I'm generally a stingy GM.I don't like paying out big bonuses. I pay attention to current year salaries. I really try to manage the future as well. Which makes this even more shocking to me that I've gotten here.

Does anyone have any tips or ideas how I can get out of this? I know I can cap guys out for this season, but then I'm doomed next.

PLEASE HELP!!!

Prinzar · 09-17-2012, 01:06 PM

Which league? If its one of Bens I will look at your team page and figure it out

Also which stage sim are you in? I've seen people get out of 90% lost cap space and still make a 53 man roster (it sucked though)

Ben E Lou · 09-17-2012, 01:32 PM

Just posted at BFL. The major issue I see is that you have too many mediocre players making big bucks.

Major league cap hell...need help

sawblade300 · 09-17-2012, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prinzar

Which league? If its one of Bens I will look at your team page and figure it out

Also which stage sim are you in? I've seen people get out of 90% lost cap space and still make a 53 man roster (it sucked though)

It's BFL. If you have any thoughts, I'll certainly listen. As Ben said, there are many average players making too much...I guess. I'm not sure how to gauge what's too much. Apparently....Duh!

But these guy, unfortunately, are better players at those positions. On my team anyway.

sawblade300 · 09-17-2012, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Just posted at BFL. The major issue I see is that you have too many mediocre players making big bucks.

Major league cap hell...need help

Saw that and replied. I don't know why. It's probably rather obvious what I should do. But You can see what I've got there.

Pyser · 09-17-2012, 02:39 PM

um, $5m over is just about the smallest hole you could be in

sawblade300 · 09-17-2012, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prinzar

Which league? If its one of Bens I will look at your team page and figure it out

Also which stage sim are you in? I've seen people get out of 90% lost cap space and still make a 53 man roster (it sucked though)

Forgot. Just ended FA1. Draft starting Tuesday next week. SO very early in the off season

sawblade300 · 09-17-2012, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyser

um, $5m over is just about the smallest hole you could be in

I'd love to only be $5 mil over. That would be EASY to fix. lol. But I have to clear another $40 mil on top of that.

Prinzar · 09-17-2012, 02:57 PM

Cool, this is an easy fix. BFL: Tennessee Titans Roster looks like you have a full roster so unless the page is wrong you only need to shave off 5m.

The FB is being way overpaid! Just cut or trade him. Bonus is low enough that it won't hurt much next year. Then you will wanna renegotiate with a older guy who is highly paid, but is dropping nowadays. Lister? He should be about to die, but if he will go on a 2 year deal you might save some money on him and that may be enough

I guess you need room for rookies too. Choices here are trade out of all your picks this year, or cut/release a few more players.

I look on contract view, sort by If Released and then start getting rid of some expensive players. See how much money you can save in this stage, and work out a plan for the next rounds sim

Ben E Lou · 09-17-2012, 02:59 PM

His "max for new player" number is -$50.96M and he is $45.06M over the cap.

sawblade300 · 09-17-2012, 03:08 PM

Holy crap.I just realized my typing error. I'm not $5 mil over...I'm $45 mil over.

Sheesh. I guess that changes things a little, huh Prinzar? lol

Prinzar · 09-17-2012, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sawblade300

Holy crap.I just realized my typing error. I'm not $5 mil over...I'm $45 mil over.

Sheesh. I guess that changes things a little, huh Prinzar? lol

Oh yeah!

On the plus side, did anybody come and see your home games?

sawblade300 · 09-17-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Prinzar

Oh yeah!

On the plus side, did anybody come and see your home games?

Nope. 2000 Attendance in AUFL----ZERO

Prinzar · 09-17-2012, 04:00 PM

It's gotta be a whole rebuild I think. Just checked your cap for 2008, with only 28 players you would still be $26m over the cap.

Without having the file to try it myself, all I would suggest would be releasing/trading your whole roster and building it back up with minimum salary players.
Definately trade out of ALL your picks this year. Just ask for the same next year from a middle of the pack team.

It's gonna take 2-3 seasons before you get a solid team again but there's not much choice unfortunately

sawblade300 · 09-17-2012, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prinzar

It's gotta be a whole rebuild I think. Just checked your cap for 2008, with only 28 players you would still be $26m over the cap.

Without having the file to try it myself, all I would suggest would be releasing/trading your whole roster and building it back up with minimum salary players.
Definately trade out of ALL your picks this year. Just ask for the same next year from a middle of the pack team.

It's gonna take 2-3 seasons before you get a solid team again but there's not much choice unfortunately

That's kinda what I thought.

Autumn · 09-17-2012, 08:08 PM

Yeah, I nearly had to do that three or four seasons ago. I kept a few core us but had about thirty undrafted rookies. It hurt but I won the championship only two years later, I think. So best this league where you can build a good team quick.

Rizon · 09-19-2012, 06:36 PM

Just think of it like the move The Replacements. You might end up with a Falco or something.

aston217 · 09-20-2012, 11:21 AM

I work hard at staying out of cap hell myself, but if you accumulate enough talent, even in a non-cap crunch league, it can get difficult.

Resigning Practices

I always resign to even cap costs / year if I can. That way I take on a big hit in Year 1 of the reneg, where I am well aware of my cap situation, in order to save in each of the future years, where cap situation is unknown. This maximizes flexibility.
Timing is important. Last year reneg is ideal, because you only take the overlapping bonus hit for one year.
More timing stuff: Break the above rule if you have to. Think young creepers who are about to make big offseason or TC jumps, or guys who are stepping into their starting role for the first time. Contract demands don't really change in-season. If you see a guy who just started his first 16 games for you at the end of the year, you can save with a reneg before the offseason hits.
More timing stuff: don't reneg older fully developed guys (year 6 or so or above) or guys who are droppers, before TC of their current deal's final year. They stand to drop, and you stand to benefit from that.
Capouts: bite the poison pill if you have to, if you're talking about a guy who has way outperformed a cheapish deal and would ask for THE BANK on a holdout. It may be that holdouts can only occur with two or one years left on a deal, so maybe don't cap out further in advance of that.
Free Agency: sometimes, you just gotta let a guy who wants to be overpaid, go into unrestricted free agency. Of course, you might lose him this way. But if he's a fringe 40-something mediocre player, and some other team wants to offer him $5mil/year, then it's their loss. You don't have to literally re-sign every possible player.
Wait to re-neg: this runs the risk of you forgetting. But sometimes, this pays dividends. That aging player you are having to extend might just get a Week 9 25-week ACL tear. You just never know.
I use this spreadsheet for most of my major renegotiations now. Not that it really helps me save money, but it helps keep me organized, so I can progressively lowball my players in a calculated and deliberate way

Making extra space

Identify the guys who have high salary. These are guys who will save you $$ if you cut or trade them early on in a season, or during the offseason.
You could also reneg older players with high salary to reduce their current year salary, clearing some space, while backloading their deals. This is sorta a desperation move, though. I hate adding to future year $$.

Be Organized!

This is very important. Each offseason, be aware of what your draft picks are going to cost you. Most importantly, be aware of what extensions you are going to have to get done in the following year, and maybe the following two years. You can get a rough estimate of how much that might cost - use this to adjust your FA budget.
If I really need to get down to it, I keep a spreadsheet. Helps me keep a running list of major renegs, and sums up estimated cost of those renegs to add to my current cap space.
As an example -- we're about to start the offseason in one of my leagues, and my book-keeping tells me this: with a projected cap of $198 million, I'm going to have approximately 181.6 million tied up in 56 players. That's really high, but I don't plan on spending in free agency, have no major renegotiations to do, and the 181.6 number factors in a franchise tag and my only RFA of significance. I've also identified three high-salary veterans who could save me a combined $12.5 million if I really needed it, so I actually end up in decently safe territory. I'm also factoring in four renegotiations I still have to do for this year - one of which I may not have the cap space to pull off. If that happens, I'll likely save money re-signing him as a UFA - or lose him and get saved the trouble of overpaying significantly for an 8th year 3-4 nose tackle.

sawblade300 · 09-21-2012, 01:45 PM

Thanks aston. That's all good advise.

In the first stage of FA, between some cuts and reneg's, I was able to take that $45 million cap hell and turn it into $3.3 million under. So I have a little wiggle room right now and I can still create a little more before FA is over.

09-17-2012, 01:32 PM	#3
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Just posted at BFL. The major issue I see is that you have too many mediocre players making big bucks. Major league cap hell...need help __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

09-17-2012, 02:59 PM	#10
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	His "max for new player" number is -$50.96M and he is $45.06M over the cap. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

09-20-2012, 11:21 AM	#18
aston217 College Prospect Join Date: Sep 2010	I work hard at staying out of cap hell myself, but if you accumulate enough talent, even in a non-cap crunch league, it can get difficult. Resigning Practices I always resign to even cap costs / year if I can. That way I take on a big hit in Year 1 of the reneg, where I am well aware of my cap situation, in order to save in each of the future years, where cap situation is unknown. This maximizes flexibility. Timing is important. Last year reneg is ideal, because you only take the overlapping bonus hit for one year. More timing stuff: Break the above rule if you have to. Think young creepers who are about to make big offseason or TC jumps, or guys who are stepping into their starting role for the first time. Contract demands don't really change in-season. If you see a guy who just started his first 16 games for you at the end of the year, you can save with a reneg before the offseason hits. More timing stuff: don't reneg older fully developed guys (year 6 or so or above) or guys who are droppers, before TC of their current deal's final year. They stand to drop, and you stand to benefit from that. Capouts: bite the poison pill if you have to, if you're talking about a guy who has way outperformed a cheapish deal and would ask for THE BANK on a holdout. It may be that holdouts can only occur with two or one years left on a deal, so maybe don't cap out further in advance of that. Free Agency: sometimes, you just gotta let a guy who wants to be overpaid, go into unrestricted free agency. Of course, you might lose him this way. But if he's a fringe 40-something mediocre player, and some other team wants to offer him $5mil/year, then it's their loss. You don't have to literally re-sign every possible player. Wait to re-neg: this runs the risk of you forgetting. But sometimes, this pays dividends. That aging player you are having to extend might just get a Week 9 25-week ACL tear. You just never know. I use this spreadsheet for most of my major renegotiations now. Not that it really helps me save money, but it helps keep me organized, so I can progressively lowball my players in a calculated and deliberate way Making extra space Identify the guys who have high salary. These are guys who will save you $$ if you cut or trade them early on in a season, or during the offseason. You could also reneg older players with high salary to reduce their current year salary, clearing some space, while backloading their deals. This is sorta a desperation move, though. I hate adding to future year $$. Be Organized! This is very important. Each offseason, be aware of what your draft picks are going to cost you. Most importantly, be aware of what extensions you are going to have to get done in the following year, and maybe the following two years. You can get a rough estimate of how much that might cost - use this to adjust your FA budget. If I really need to get down to it, I keep a spreadsheet. Helps me keep a running list of major renegs, and sums up estimated cost of those renegs to add to my current cap space. As an example -- we're about to start the offseason in one of my leagues, and my book-keeping tells me this: with a projected cap of $198 million, I'm going to have approximately 181.6 million tied up in 56 players. That's really high, but I don't plan on spending in free agency, have no major renegotiations to do, and the 181.6 number factors in a franchise tag and my only RFA of significance. I've also identified three high-salary veterans who could save me a combined $12.5 million if I really needed it, so I actually end up in decently safe territory. I'm also factoring in four renegotiations I still have to do for this year - one of which I may not have the cap space to pull off. If that happens, I'll likely save money re-signing him as a UFA - or lose him and get saved the trouble of overpaying significantly for an 8th year 3-4 nose tackle. __________________ OSFL (join us!) CFL Float likeabutterflysting likeabee. Last edited by aston217 : 09-20-2012 at 11:33 AM.

09-17-2012, 01:06 PM	#2
Prinzar n00b Join Date: Oct 2011	Which league? If its one of Bens I will look at your team page and figure it out Also which stage sim are you in? I've seen people get out of 90% lost cap space and still make a 53 man roster (it sucked though)

09-17-2012, 02:39 PM	#6
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	um, $5m over is just about the smallest hole you could be in

09-17-2012, 02:57 PM	#9
Prinzar n00b Join Date: Oct 2011	Cool, this is an easy fix. BFL: Tennessee Titans Roster looks like you have a full roster so unless the page is wrong you only need to shave off 5m. The FB is being way overpaid! Just cut or trade him. Bonus is low enough that it won't hurt much next year. Then you will wanna renegotiate with a older guy who is highly paid, but is dropping nowadays. Lister? He should be about to die, but if he will go on a 2 year deal you might save some money on him and that may be enough I guess you need room for rookies too. Choices here are trade out of all your picks this year, or cut/release a few more players. I look on contract view, sort by If Released and then start getting rid of some expensive players. See how much money you can save in this stage, and work out a plan for the next rounds sim

09-17-2012, 03:08 PM	#11
sawblade300 Mascot Join Date: Mar 2012	Holy crap.I just realized my typing error. I'm not $5 mil over...I'm $45 mil over. Sheesh. I guess that changes things a little, huh Prinzar? lol

09-17-2012, 04:00 PM	#14
Prinzar n00b Join Date: Oct 2011	It's gotta be a whole rebuild I think. Just checked your cap for 2008, with only 28 players you would still be $26m over the cap. Without having the file to try it myself, all I would suggest would be releasing/trading your whole roster and building it back up with minimum salary players. Definately trade out of ALL your picks this year. Just ask for the same next year from a middle of the pack team. It's gonna take 2-3 seasons before you get a solid team again but there's not much choice unfortunately

09-17-2012, 08:08 PM	#16
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Yeah, I nearly had to do that three or four seasons ago. I kept a few core us but had about thirty undrafted rookies. It hurt but I won the championship only two years later, I think. So best this league where you can build a good team quick.

09-21-2012, 01:45 PM	#19
sawblade300 Mascot Join Date: Mar 2012	Thanks aston. That's all good advise. In the first stage of FA, between some cuts and reneg's, I was able to take that $45 million cap hell and turn it into $3.3 million under. So I have a little wiggle room right now and I can still create a little more before FA is over.

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