Past Injustice

[Pyser]

Does the past injustice tag ever go away?

Or is it that once a player gives you that in a renegotiation offer, he's as good as gone?

[ozias]

I've never seen it go away, but if you keep slapping the franchise tag on him, he gets signed, but can still holdout on you.

If you let him hit free agency, you won't get to sign him because he won't sign with you.

[aston217]

I've seen guys I've released, been signed for over a season by another team, then hitting the FA pool, who still are mad at me.

On the other hand I CAN think of one case where I wasn't able to sign a guy I had released, but by the next offseason or so he had simmered down, and I got him back.

[NawlinsFan]

Agree with everyone else..... I even had one that hit FA and no one made an offer, I was the only one that did and he still told me to F off.

[TheFoosballWizard]

Originally Posted by NawlinsFan

Agree with everyone else..... I even had one that hit FA and no one made an offer, I was the only one that did and he still told me to F off.

I had a creeping tackle that was unfortunately AI released a couple times.

He refused to sign with me and no one else signed him. He retired after 2 seasons.

[Julio Riddols]

This is probably the only unrealistic part of Jim's game. Players are frequently released and re-signed in the same season by teams in the NFL. I think if a change was to be made, players who are fringe players would understand that they are fringe players and would be immune to the "past injustices" label.

[NawlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

This is probably the only unrealistic part of Jim's game. Players are frequently released and re-signed in the same season by teams in the NFL. I think if a change was to be made, players who are fringe players would understand that they are fringe players and would be immune to the "past injustices" label.

Amen!

[Pyser]

i guess i should specify i am talking specifically about a holdout who returned to the team despite me not giving him a new deal, and now that ive offered a new deal, i get the past injustice tag. this is still mid-season

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

This is probably the only unrealistic part of Jim's game. Players are frequently released and re-signed in the same season by teams in the NFL. I think if a change was to be made, players who are fringe players would understand that they are fringe players and would be immune to the "past injustices" label.

Or at least make it shorter term with the occasional lifer who will just never resign with you.

[aston217]

Originally Posted by Pyser

i guess i should specify i am talking specifically about a holdout who returned to the team despite me not giving him a new deal, and now that ive offered a new deal, i get the past injustice tag. this is still mid-season

I think those grudges tend to be, if anything, even stronger.

In SP I managed to get a holdout back on my team and re-signed. After letting him gone and trading back for him, or some bizarre set of leaping through hoops that is probably very unlikely to occur in MP.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

This is probably the only unrealistic part of Jim's game. Players are frequently released and re-signed in the same season by teams in the NFL. I think if a change was to be made, players who are fringe players would understand that they are fringe players and would be immune to the "past injustices" label.

I thought that one of the patches basically changed it so that the scrubby fringe guys would resign and so they would ignore past injustices? I'm not sure what you mean here. If you cut a shitty minimum salary guy, I remember them resigning in the same year.

[Firefly]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

This is probably the only unrealistic part of Jim's game. Players are frequently released and re-signed in the same season by teams in the NFL. I think if a change was to be made, players who are fringe players would understand that they are fringe players and would be immune to the "past injustices" label.

Definitely. A player holds out, reports in the TC stage, and if you offer him the contract he wants the very next week he won't take it? Then or ever again? It's ridiculous.

Not being able to release or IR certain injured guys is another absurd quirk of the game.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by stevew

I thought that one of the patches basically changed it so that the scrubby fringe guys would resign and so they would ignore past injustices? I'm not sure what you mean here. If you cut a shitty minimum salary guy, I remember them resigning in the same year.

this is definitely the case - i think it applies to any player who the game judges to not be worthy of requesting a signing bonus (usually filler caliber scrubs)

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

this is definitely the case - i think it applies to any player who the game judges to not be worthy of requesting a signing bonus (usually filler caliber scrubs)

What if it's a creeper who's early in his development and appears to be a scrub? Can the game tell the difference between this player and the ordinary scrub when it comes to this? Or does it treat the player on his face value?

[sooner333]

I just picked the game back up after some time off. I had built the Rams up to a Super Bowl loser the year before and Sam Bradford was coming out of his rookie year. The year before I was getting back into the game and forgot to do things like scouting rookies, and seeing who my expiring contracts were.

In any event, I slap the franchise tag on Bradford (league's best QB). Then I look to resign him and he wants a 60mm bonus and a 5 yr/170mm contract. This seems high so I kind of wait around to see how much he wants. At each stage his demands go up. He then holds out in the preseason and comes back in week two. He then won't re-sign with me. We go on to win the Super Bowl but next off-season I franchise him again and he still won't re-sign. (This apparently was the year of the overdemand at QB. Aaron Rodgers was the best FA out there, was not franchised and nobody signed during FA. He signed before training camp at the minimum for one year.)

I doubt he'll ever leave this stage based on the responses above. This is heightened by the fact that he has 0 loyalty and 3 play for winner. I guess I will franchise him until he gets too expensive. I have a pretty decent backup I drafted in the 6th round who has been willing to re-up for two years (adding a year to his contract) in the offseason for a bit of bonus money. I have him in case of a holdout.

Do I have any hope?

[stevew]

Once you franchise 2X, I think you can't resign him. I think if you release him during the playoffs, you might be able to sign him in FA the next year.