When you hit the reccomend but who makes the decisions

[lastcat3]

When you hit the recommend button who makes the decisions. Head coach, assistant coach, and scout.

For depth chart moves and also for game planning. Are the assistant coaches the ones that bring players in as well as create the depth chart or does the scout do both of them.

Who makes the decisions in regards to game planning?

[aston217]

Rex makes the decisions.

I don't believe these are coach, etc, dependent. Just game logic.

[lastcat3]

Ahh, just found it on the Front office football player guide (page 45). The scout is the one who gives the depth chart selections. That is surprising to me. Would have figured they would have one of the coaches do the depth chart.

[mventres]

Originally Posted by lastcat3

Ahh, just found it on the Front office football player guide (page 45). The scout is the one who gives the depth chart selections. That is surprising to me. Would have figured they would have one of the coaches do the depth chart.

Indeed. I would extend this as well to draft picks, trades and FA signings. The coordinators should have a say in who fits their system and needs best...coach/gm can override that, but such information is necessary. Perhaps they can suggest "best pick/FA available", "best pick/FA for need" with ratings in both cases on potential fit in the system. Can also be useful as a "should we make this trade" or "this player may blossom in our system", etc.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by mventres

Indeed. I would extend this as well to draft picks, trades and FA signings. The coordinators should have a say in who fits their system and needs best...coach/gm can override that, but such information is necessary. Perhaps they can suggest "best pick/FA available", "best pick/FA for need" with ratings in both cases on potential fit in the system. Can also be useful as a "should we make this trade" or "this player may blossom in our system", etc.

Originally Posted by lastcat3

Ahh, just found it on the Front office football player guide (page 45). The scout is the one who gives the depth chart selections. That is surprising to me. Would have figured they would have one of the coaches do the depth chart.

Y'all are over-thinking this tremendously.

[mventres]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Y'all are over-thinking this tremendously.

Why is that?

[mventres]

Originally Posted by mventres

Why is that?

Note, I don't actually care where the decision is made (coordinator, scout, etc), but the information provided.

[Ben E Lou]

"Scout"--VERY minor modifier to how you see a player...best scout in the league seems him as 90/90..worst scout sees him as maybe 85/85. Big flippin' deal. Unless you carry two starter-quality players at the same position or you care deeply whether your 42/42 or 44/44 guy starts (in which case you should probably be setting your depth chart yourself,) then they don't make a meaningful difference in setting the depth chart. You are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more important as the "scout" than the guy you hire.

"Coordinators"--player development modifiers. Again, very minor role because the huge majority of solid players are fully developed after 2 seasons or less of starting regardless of how good or bad the coordinators are. You getting a mentor for your young players is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more important than the delta in player development talent between the various coordinators available to you.

[mventres]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

"Scout"--VERY minor modifier to how you see a player...best scout in the league seems him as 90/90..worst scout sees him as maybe 85/85. Big flippin' deal. Unless you carry two starter-quality players at the same position or you care deeply whether your 42/42 or 44/44 guy starts (in which case you should probably be setting your depth chart yourself,) then they don't make a meaningful difference in setting the depth chart. You are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more important as the "scout" than the guy you hire.

"Coordinators"--player development modifiers. Again, very minor role because the huge majority of solid players are fully developed after 2 seasons or less of starting regardless of how good or bad the coordinators are. You getting a mentor for your young players is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more important than the delta in player development talent between the various coordinators available to you.

Thanks for the reply. I've noticed these as well when playing...I guess what I'm really getting at is that perhaps the game shouldn't minimize these roles so much - otherwise, what's the point of even wasting time with them (just remove them from the game!)?

Personally, I'd like to see a big range in scout ratings on players, obviously top-end talent should be more or less accurate across the board, but for <70ish players, and especially the 30-60 guys, I think it should vary a lot. Moreover, player relation to O/D scheme is tough to evaluate in real-life (nor non-top end talent), etc.

[aston217]

The coaches and scouts aren't real people with personalities. I think all "scout makes the decisions" means is that depth chart decisions are based on the ratings your scout sees, which varies from scout to scout.

15% is a semi big range, I suppose, but the real ratings puzzle lies in unmasking -- players start out with a certain visible rating that might be pretty accurate, up to extremely inaccurate in either direction, and anywhere in between. Over the years the layers are slowly peeled away and they inch towards their true ratings all along.

If you're not paying close enough attention to these trends, you are probably regularly playing guys who are 10 points better or worse than how you think they are. Which is a pretty big swing.