Historical seasons

Bigdummie · 12-13-2013, 10:57 AM

Its been a number of years but looking forward to rediscovering this sim. Does the game come with historical seasons or just the current one. Thanks for any advice.

digamma · 12-13-2013, 11:26 AM

Just the current one. You can find user created historical player/draft files, but it will still be a simulation of current league structure.

Bigdummie · 12-13-2013, 12:32 PM

Thanks for the info, I will check around to see maybe there is a historical league that has an opening. Thanks again

SFL Cat · 12-13-2013, 02:25 PM

That's the one thing that is kinda disappointing. It would be nice to be able to run historic seasons with real-life expansions... oh well.

nilodor · 12-13-2013, 05:16 PM

I hope one day Jim will have expandable league size. It would be a huge deal. Apparently the playerfile structure has changed in this version of FOF. I'll have to recreate the historical files which I hope to do this weekend.

Senator · 12-13-2013, 06:11 PM

Nilidor is in my FOFC Hall of Fame.

RomaGoth · 12-13-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator

Nilidor is in my FOFC Hall of Fame.

I guess there isn't much to do in Calgary during the winter when the Flames suck.

Bigdummie · 12-13-2013, 06:31 PM

That would be good news. Thank You for your reply

nilodor · 12-13-2013, 10:37 PM

If you don't ski, not a ton to do in the winter, lol. I'm hoping that all Jim did was add a column or two, which wouldn't be much of an issue because I have all the data in one master spreadsheet and I'd just have to change a line in a macro. The whole thing would take about half an hour to get ready. The big time suck is adding players or extras to the database. If pro-football-reference ever gets customizable tables I'd be the happiest guy ever and I might actually update the historical project past 2010 or wherever it stopped.

nilodor · 12-14-2013, 09:42 AM

For anyone having issues with their own player files the changes are as follows:
Columns T & U used to be games played and games started in the previous season, this has been replaced by one column (T) that is the % of snaps played in the previous season.
Also Column X has been removed, which was the % of fulfilled potential. Not sure how the game determines how much potential players have fulfilled but it may require some playing around. I'm taking a look for my most recent database. If I don't find it in the next hour it'll be monday before I can get to generating the files.

Also is anyone interested in hosting the files? That would be super awesome.

Ben E Lou · 12-14-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nilodor

Also is anyone interested in hosting the files? That would be super awesome.

I can host. I try to grab everything and host it so that we don't have dead links in the reference thread.

nilodor · 12-14-2013, 10:40 AM

Thanks Ben.

I also noticed that the contract portion of the files have changed. The max length is now 5 years instead of 7 and players have roster bonuses in addition to their traditional bonuses. Since it only affects the starting player file I'm going to split the bonuses I previously assigned 50/50 to roster and normal.

PS. I also wish that I wasn't learning how to code when I wrote all these macros. It's like looking at homework from grade 5. Bleh.

nilodor · 12-14-2013, 11:09 AM

Dola: Can you pm me your email address. I imagine I'll send the files later today.

Thanks

rockmedic109 · 12-14-2013, 11:11 AM

I tried to edit the Players.csv file and tried to use PlayerFile to create a new players file. Everything worked until I used PlayerFile to create a new file.

It told me that one of the areas {it was supposed to be Overall Rating in the new system} had a value other than 0-9. And this was on the first player on the list....that I did nothing to.

I don't know if I goofed something up {probably} or if maybe the PlayerFile creator is the previous version.

rockmedic109 · 12-14-2013, 11:59 AM

I confirmed that I screwed up. Normal situation if you ask my wife.

nilodor · 12-14-2013, 01:36 PM

Ok I've sent the files to Ben. I ran a couple of random seasons and drafts to see if they worked. I was quite encouraged by the results, from a really rough first glance it looked like the improvements in the game work well with the historic files. The files span 1960 to 2008. Maybe one day I'll bring it into the future. Let me know if there are any files that aren't working and I can see if I can fix them.

Thanks

nilodor · 12-14-2013, 01:39 PM

I also noticed that there is an option to import coaches. I may have some new files to work on!

Ronde Barber · 12-14-2013, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nilodor

Ok I've sent the files to Ben. I ran a couple of random seasons and drafts to see if they worked. I was quite encouraged by the results, from a really rough first glance it looked like the improvements in the game work well with the historic files. The files span 1960 to 2008. Maybe one day I'll bring it into the future. Let me know if there are any files that aren't working and I can see if I can fix them.

Thanks

Thanks a lot for all your work....can't wait for the file to be uploaded and to try them!!!

NawlinsFan · 12-14-2013, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nilodor

I also noticed that there is an option to import coaches. I may have some new files to work on!

Hell yeah!

Senator · 12-14-2013, 03:45 PM

This is roster and draft files?

Ben E Lou · 12-14-2013, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nilodor

Ok I've sent the files to Ben. I ran a couple of random seasons and drafts to see if they worked. I was quite encouraged by the results, from a really rough first glance it looked like the improvements in the game work well with the historic files. The files span 1960 to 2008. Maybe one day I'll bring it into the future. Let me know if there are any files that aren't working and I can see if I can fix them.

Thanks

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armyofone · 12-14-2013, 04:50 PM

thank you!

Bigdummie · 12-14-2013, 09:25 PM

I need some help as how to install the roster and the draft files. I just can't figure it out. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

nilodor · 12-15-2013, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigdummie

I need some help as how to install the roster and the draft files. I just can't figure it out. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

For the player files you need to select use alternate file when you start a new game. Just use the player file for the year you want to start with. Say1983. Then when the offseason comes make sure you hit the import draft button before you goto free agency. If you use the 83 player file the first draft file will be the 84 file. Good luck!

Yoda · 12-15-2013, 02:01 AM

Thanks nildor, just saved me from some work from doing the file to restart the GEFL.

Bigdummie · 12-15-2013, 07:15 AM

Thank You for the info, but where do I put the alternative file so when I begin a season, the info is there when the game asks for it when creating a new game. Hope this makes sense. Also, what file does the draft file go in. I just don't want to mess anything up. Thanks for any advice

nilodor · 12-15-2013, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigdummie

Thank You for the info, but where do I put the alternative file so when I begin a season, the info is there when the game asks for it when creating a new game. Hope this makes sense. Also, what file does the draft file go in. I just don't want to mess anything up. Thanks for any advice

You can put them wherever you can find them. It asks you to pick the file through explorer. So you can navigate to wherever you have them. I think it starts in the fof7 root directory. But like I said it doesn't matter where.

APC · 12-17-2013, 01:57 PM

Probably a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway: Is there a difference in how the game operates when using modded historical draft files instead of game-generated fictional player drafts?

For example, will the AI do weird things or not operate as effectively as it should if using modded player/draft files instead of what the game generates?

Thanks.

korme · 12-19-2013, 10:20 AM

How do we modify draft files to .faf?

nilodor · 12-19-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by korme

How do we modify draft files to .faf?

You need to have FOF2004 installed. There is a draft file converter in there. It would be nice for Jim to re-release the draft file converter with the new version.

rockmedic109 · 12-19-2013, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nilodor

You need to have FOF2004 installed. There is a draft file converter in there. It would be nice for Jim to re-release the draft file converter with the new version.

And I tossed my FOF4 out when I got used to fof2007! Ooops.

korme · 12-19-2013, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nilodor

You need to have FOF2004 installed. There is a draft file converter in there. It would be nice for Jim to re-release the draft file converter with the new version.

I need to have a 10 year old game installed. Great.

nilodor · 12-19-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

I need to have a 10 year old game installed. Great.

I sent a note to solecismic support. I'll update if I hear anything.

Yoda · 12-19-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

I need to have a 10 year old game installed. Great.

actually you don't, you just need the draft.exe, iirc.

nilodor · 12-19-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

actually you don't, you just need the draft.exe, iirc.

You're right. I just don't know if it's an acceptable solution for those who haven't purchased the game.

APC · 12-20-2013, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by APC

Probably a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway: Is there a difference in how the game operates when using modded historical draft files instead of game-generated fictional player drafts?

For example, will the AI do weird things or not operate as effectively as it should if using modded player/draft files instead of what the game generates?

Thanks.

Bumping this in case someone may have an answer

nilodor · 12-20-2013, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by APC

Probably a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway: Is there a difference in how the game operates when using modded historical draft files instead of game-generated fictional player drafts?

For example, will the AI do weird things or not operate as effectively as it should if using modded player/draft files instead of what the game generates?

Thanks.

From my experience so far with the game the imported seasons work much better than in 2K7. There seems to be less talent in the regular, game generated, draft files, which was always the issue with the historic files due to having way more teams than actually existed. I don't think the game plays that differently using the files or not. That is to say I'm finding it a lot damn harder this go around than last.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot · 12-31-2013, 03:43 AM

I just reloaded FOF2007 on my new computer today, reinstalled the license then came here to grab some logo files and nearly peed myself when I saw Jim had released a new version! Bought it straight away.
I then downloaded the historical files via Ben's link but the game seems to crash when I have them loaded. I click on a player and it crashes. Anyone else getting this too?
Do I need to do anything else with them to get them to work?

**** update****
It seems all is okay. I was clicking on a player's draft year before I had started the pre-season and it caused it to crash. Once the season finished and I clicked the same button it works okay.

nilodor · 01-02-2014, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

I just reloaded FOF2007 on my new computer today, reinstalled the license then came here to grab some logo files and nearly peed myself when I saw Jim had released a new version! Bought it straight away.
I then downloaded the historical files via Ben's link but the game seems to crash when I have them loaded. I click on a player and it crashes. Anyone else getting this too?
Do I need to do anything else with them to get them to work?

**** update****
It seems all is okay. I was clicking on a player's draft year before I had started the pre-season and it caused it to crash. Once the season finished and I clicked the same button it works okay.

The issue is if you click on the draft year for players before the year you start in. For example if you start in 1975 and click on Walter Payton's draft year (75) you will get a crash. However, any subsequent years will work.

I think the issue is that not all of the draft slots are filled in the draft history for all the years, or it doesn't like going to years prior to the year you start in. Maybe someone can confirm if in the default player file if you click on say the draft year for a player drafted in 01 if it causes an error or not.

You can still check the draft history for players drafted prior to the year you start in though through the amateur draft history link, just most of the rounds will be incomplete.

beatle · 01-04-2014, 09:40 PM

Where do you get the draft.exe, iirc?

Danny · 01-04-2014, 10:27 PM

So there is no current way to starter say a year 2000 league and have real players imported every year?

nilodor · 01-05-2014, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

So there is no current way to starter say a year 2000 league and have real players imported every year?

To have the new players from the draft automatically assigned to their proper teams? No. To have the players enter the draft, certainly. All you need to do is use the import draft button before proceeding through free agency (after the staff portion) and select the corresponding year.

Danny · 01-06-2014, 12:00 AM

Ah cool thanks

GuySmiley316 · 01-10-2014, 01:18 PM

Hi,

Haven't played FOF in about 5 years but stumbled upon this site and found a new version had been released.

Put me in the "historical season" camp. In the past, I had used the Nilodor draft files and simmed about 30 years before starting my career.

This is a begging type request for someone (Nilodor?) to create the remaining draft files for 2009-2013.

Please, please, please! Thank you!

nilodor · 01-11-2014, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuySmiley316

Hi,

Haven't played FOF in about 5 years but stumbled upon this site and found a new version had been released.

Put me in the "historical season" camp. In the past, I had used the Nilodor draft files and simmed about 30 years before starting my career.

This is a begging type request for someone (Nilodor?) to create the remaining draft files for 2009-2013.

Please, please, please! Thank you!

It will happen, eventually. I'd really like to get it done before the next season starts. It's probably 20-30 hours of work to update the database.

jzicc · 01-11-2014, 11:50 AM

BTW -- what needs changed (columns added?) in a FOF2007 CSV to make it work in FOF7 ?

Senator · 01-11-2014, 11:51 AM

nilodor's #1 fan

nilodor · 01-23-2014, 08:52 AM

Two things:
1. The latest patch includes support to add LS to the draft files. The major effect here is star centers and tight ends will no longer be converted to LS, once I've had a chance to fix the draft files. I'm making this my top priority for fixing and hope to have new draft files out soon. (Again only to 2008)
2. I'm about 10% of the way to updating the historic files to the 2013 season.

GuySmiley316 · 01-24-2014, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nilodor

Two things:
1. The latest patch includes support to add LS to the draft files. The major effect here is star centers and tight ends will no longer be converted to LS, once I've had a chance to fix the draft files. I'm making this my top priority for fixing and hope to have new draft files out soon. (Again only to 2008)
2. I'm about 10% of the way to updating the historic files to the 2013 season.

Great!

Looking forward to these.

nilodor · 01-24-2014, 02:36 PM

Ok, so I'm pretty much done updated the files. I just need to convert them from csv to the appropriate types and send them to Ben. This should happen later today. It should handle all of the LS stuff. There probably won't be enough in the initial roster file. I'm not sure if FOF7 will just add some extra LS to cover this or not. The draft files should hopefully have enough, 18-20 ish, to prevent players from being converted to LS.

One issue I discovered is that I screwed up handling my special modifiers. For example Randall Cunningham is rated 6 in the file, however I give him a 9 at running ability, so his scramble freq plus hidden rushing attributes are all maxed out. How I handled this in the macro was all screwed up and none of these cases were actually used. So the updated set of files should have much more personality and a Deion Sanders that hates to tackle.

12-13-2013, 06:11 PM	#6
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	Nilidor is in my FOFC Hall of Fame. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

12-14-2013, 11:59 AM	#15
rockmedic109 n00b Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sacramento	I confirmed that I screwed up. Normal situation if you ask my wife. Last edited by rockmedic109 : 12-15-2013 at 01:00 PM.

12-14-2013, 03:45 PM	#20
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	This is roster and draft files? __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

12-15-2013, 02:01 AM	#25
Yoda High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Woodstock, GA	Thanks nildor, just saved me from some work from doing the file to restart the GEFL. __________________ Championships Won CCFL 2040 PFL 2015 2022 2026 2046 FFL 2013 2014 2015 RNFL 2014 2029 GMFL 2009 HFL 1983 1987 1990 TFL 1983 vNFL 2024 GML 2011 WOOF 2018

12-31-2013, 03:43 AM	#38
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot n00b Join Date: Jan 2007	I just reloaded FOF2007 on my new computer today, reinstalled the license then came here to grab some logo files and nearly peed myself when I saw Jim had released a new version! Bought it straight away. I then downloaded the historical files via Ben's link but the game seems to crash when I have them loaded. I click on a player and it crashes. Anyone else getting this too? Do I need to do anything else with them to get them to work? ** update** It seems all is okay. I was clicking on a player's draft year before I had started the pre-season and it caused it to crash. Once the season finished and I clicked the same button it works okay. Last edited by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot : 12-31-2013 at 05:19 AM.

12-13-2013, 11:26 AM	#2
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Just the current one. You can find user created historical player/draft files, but it will still be a simulation of current league structure.

12-13-2013, 12:32 PM	#3
Bigdummie n00b Join Date: Oct 2006	Thanks for the info, I will check around to see maybe there is a historical league that has an opening. Thanks again

12-13-2013, 02:25 PM	#4
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	That's the one thing that is kinda disappointing. It would be nice to be able to run historic seasons with real-life expansions... oh well.

12-13-2013, 05:16 PM	#5
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	I hope one day Jim will have expandable league size. It would be a huge deal. Apparently the playerfile structure has changed in this version of FOF. I'll have to recreate the historical files which I hope to do this weekend.

12-13-2013, 06:31 PM	#8
Bigdummie n00b Join Date: Oct 2006	That would be good news. Thank You for your reply

12-13-2013, 10:37 PM	#9
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	If you don't ski, not a ton to do in the winter, lol. I'm hoping that all Jim did was add a column or two, which wouldn't be much of an issue because I have all the data in one master spreadsheet and I'd just have to change a line in a macro. The whole thing would take about half an hour to get ready. The big time suck is adding players or extras to the database. If pro-football-reference ever gets customizable tables I'd be the happiest guy ever and I might actually update the historical project past 2010 or wherever it stopped.

12-14-2013, 09:42 AM	#10
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	For anyone having issues with their own player files the changes are as follows: Columns T & U used to be games played and games started in the previous season, this has been replaced by one column (T) that is the % of snaps played in the previous season. Also Column X has been removed, which was the % of fulfilled potential. Not sure how the game determines how much potential players have fulfilled but it may require some playing around. I'm taking a look for my most recent database. If I don't find it in the next hour it'll be monday before I can get to generating the files. Also is anyone interested in hosting the files? That would be super awesome.

12-14-2013, 10:40 AM	#12
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	Thanks Ben. I also noticed that the contract portion of the files have changed. The max length is now 5 years instead of 7 and players have roster bonuses in addition to their traditional bonuses. Since it only affects the starting player file I'm going to split the bonuses I previously assigned 50/50 to roster and normal. PS. I also wish that I wasn't learning how to code when I wrote all these macros. It's like looking at homework from grade 5. Bleh.

12-14-2013, 11:09 AM	#13
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	Dola: Can you pm me your email address. I imagine I'll send the files later today. Thanks

12-14-2013, 11:11 AM	#14
rockmedic109 n00b Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sacramento	I tried to edit the Players.csv file and tried to use PlayerFile to create a new players file. Everything worked until I used PlayerFile to create a new file. It told me that one of the areas {it was supposed to be Overall Rating in the new system} had a value other than 0-9. And this was on the first player on the list....that I did nothing to. I don't know if I goofed something up {probably} or if maybe the PlayerFile creator is the previous version.

12-14-2013, 01:36 PM	#16
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	Ok I've sent the files to Ben. I ran a couple of random seasons and drafts to see if they worked. I was quite encouraged by the results, from a really rough first glance it looked like the improvements in the game work well with the historic files. The files span 1960 to 2008. Maybe one day I'll bring it into the future. Let me know if there are any files that aren't working and I can see if I can fix them. Thanks

12-14-2013, 01:39 PM	#17
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	I also noticed that there is an option to import coaches. I may have some new files to work on!

12-14-2013, 04:50 PM	#22
armyofone n00b Join Date: Dec 2007	thank you!

12-14-2013, 09:25 PM	#23
Bigdummie n00b Join Date: Oct 2006	I need some help as how to install the roster and the draft files. I just can't figure it out. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

12-15-2013, 07:15 AM	#26
Bigdummie n00b Join Date: Oct 2006	Thank You for the info, but where do I put the alternative file so when I begin a season, the info is there when the game asks for it when creating a new game. Hope this makes sense. Also, what file does the draft file go in. I just don't want to mess anything up. Thanks for any advice

12-17-2013, 01:57 PM	#28
APC Mascot Join Date: Dec 2003	Probably a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway: Is there a difference in how the game operates when using modded historical draft files instead of game-generated fictional player drafts? For example, will the AI do weird things or not operate as effectively as it should if using modded player/draft files instead of what the game generates? Thanks.

12-19-2013, 10:20 AM	#29
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	How do we modify draft files to .faf?

01-04-2014, 09:40 PM	#40
beatle H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jan 2003	Where do you get the draft.exe, iirc?

01-04-2014, 10:27 PM	#41
Danny General Manager Join Date: Jul 2001	So there is no current way to starter say a year 2000 league and have real players imported every year?

01-06-2014, 12:00 AM	#43
Danny General Manager Join Date: Jul 2001	Ah cool thanks

01-10-2014, 01:18 PM	#44
GuySmiley316 n00b Join Date: Jan 2014	Hi, Haven't played FOF in about 5 years but stumbled upon this site and found a new version had been released. Put me in the "historical season" camp. In the past, I had used the Nilodor draft files and simmed about 30 years before starting my career. This is a begging type request for someone (Nilodor?) to create the remaining draft files for 2009-2013. Please, please, please! Thank you!

01-11-2014, 11:50 AM	#46
jzicc H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Dec 2006	BTW -- what needs changed (columns added?) in a FOF2007 CSV to make it work in FOF7 ?

01-11-2014, 11:51 AM	#47
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	nilodor's #1 fan __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand Last edited by Senator : 01-11-2014 at 11:51 AM.

01-23-2014, 08:52 AM	#48
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	Two things: 1. The latest patch includes support to add LS to the draft files. The major effect here is star centers and tight ends will no longer be converted to LS, once I've had a chance to fix the draft files. I'm making this my top priority for fixing and hope to have new draft files out soon. (Again only to 2008) 2. I'm about 10% of the way to updating the historic files to the 2013 season.

01-24-2014, 02:36 PM	#50
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	Ok, so I'm pretty much done updated the files. I just need to convert them from csv to the appropriate types and send them to Ben. This should happen later today. It should handle all of the LS stuff. There probably won't be enough in the initial roster file. I'm not sure if FOF7 will just add some extra LS to cover this or not. The draft files should hopefully have enough, 18-20 ish, to prevent players from being converted to LS. One issue I discovered is that I screwed up handling my special modifiers. For example Randall Cunningham is rated 6 in the file, however I give him a 9 at running ability, so his scramble freq plus hidden rushing attributes are all maxed out. How I handled this in the macro was all screwed up and none of these cases were actually used. So the updated set of files should have much more personality and a Deion Sanders that hates to tackle.

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