FOF7 and custom draft files

stretch · 01-12-2014, 07:34 AM

Has anyone been able to successfully import a custom draft file into FOF7?

Here is what I did:

Read the help file about the changed format of draft CSV files.
Edited a previous save file to make sure it was compatible.
Used the Player File Creator utility from FOF7 and used the custom CSV file as input.
The utility successfully created a .fdt file for the draft.
In FOF7, clicked the "Improt Draft" button in the Pre-Free Agency stage.
FOF7 was looking for a .faf file. I tried to force it to use the .fdt file

The error message I am getting is "The draft file you've chosen is not compatible with this version of Front Office Football."

I double-checked and I'm running the Player File Creator utility in the "Front Office Football Seven" directory.

What am I doing wrong?

3ric · 01-12-2014, 09:02 AM

.fdt files are roster files, meant to be used when starting a new game. They cannot be used when importing a draft, which requires a .faf file, as you noticed... they are of a different format

stretch · 01-12-2014, 04:50 PM

How do I create a .FAF file instead of a .FDT file?

The heck of it is that I did it in 2k7 but darned if I can remember how.

nilodor · 01-12-2014, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stretch

How do I create a .FAF file instead of a .FDT file?

The heck of it is that I did it in 2k7 but darned if I can remember how.

You need to be using the draftfile.exe creator. It came with FOF 2K4.

3ric · 01-13-2014, 11:49 AM

The FOF2k4 file is available on solecismic.com, under "Product support" and "Front office football 2004". You don't need to buy a license to install it and get the draftfile.exe file.

stretch · 01-13-2014, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3ric

The FOF2k4 file is available on solecismic.com, under "Product support" and "Front office football 2004". You don't need to buy a license to install it and get the draftfile.exe file.

I found it. After work I'm going to see if draftees exported from that version will import into FOF Seven. I am dubious but we'll see.

stretch · 01-14-2014, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stretch

I found it. After work I'm going to see if draftees exported from that version will import into FOF Seven. I am dubious but we'll see.

Confirmed. FOF files exported from the 2004 draft utility can be loaded into FOF Seven.

Over time I'll be testing the various positions and see if the rookie distribution is similar to FOF 2007.

Here is some quick work I'm doing for QBs. It's not done yet but this is a preview:

Code:

QB Dash	625	600	575	550	525	500	475	450	425	400	375		Expected Value
0	50	42	34	37	45	54	41	43	41	34	40		502.8742
440	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		
441	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		
442	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		
443	5	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		612.5
444	16	18	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		606.25
445	15	11	12	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		601.9736842
446	14	16	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		599.4444444
447	20	26	13	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		602.9661017
448	45	46	8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		609.3434343
449	41	53	41	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		600
450	97	82	69	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		602.8225806
451	83	78	61	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		602.4774775
452	66	69	86	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		597.7375566
453	91	111	62	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		602.7462121
454	74	90	88	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		598.6111111
455	74	62	95	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		597.7272727
456	112	104	97	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		601.1980831
457	49	44	68	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		597.0496894
458	47	46	55	17	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		593.6363636
459	31	34	52	20	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		588.8686131
460	10	10	59	8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		581.3218391
461	27	22	32	19	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		589.25
462	18	15	14	31	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		581.4102564
463	15	16	15	49	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		574.2105263
464	0	0	13	38	4	0	0	0	0	0	0		554.0909091
465	0	0	5	82	10	0	0	0	0	0	0		548.7113402
466	0	0	0	70	8	0	0	0	0	0	0		547.4358974
467	0	0	0	127	20	9	0	0	0	0	0		543.9102564
468	0	0	0	100	13	14	0	0	0	0	0		541.9291339
469	0	0	0	58	43	13	0	0	0	0	0		534.8684211
470	0	0	0	85	35	19	0	0	0	0	0		536.8705036
471	0	0	0	60	60	20	0	0	0	0	0		532.1428571
472	0	0	0	45	72	34	0	0	0	0	0		526.8211921
473	0	0	0	70	109	82	0	0	0	0	0		523.8505747
474	0	0	0	26	100	83	12	0	0	0	0		515.8371041
475	0	0	0	15	94	72	18	0	0	0	0		513.3165829
476	0	0	0	15	75	87	15	0	0	0	0		511.71875
477	0	0	0	14	83	114	13	0	0	0	0		510.9375
478	0	0	0	14	62	55	12	0	0	0	0		513.6363636
479	0	0	0	0	65	117	67	0	0	0	0		499.7991968
480	0	0	0	0	25	70	57	0	0	0	0		494.7368421
481	0	0	0	0	19	39	59	0	0	0	0		491.4529915
482	0	0	0	0	18	49	74	0	0	0	0		490.070922
483	0	0	0	0	16	16	75	0	0	0	0		486.2149533
484	0	0	0	0	24	53	557	106	0	0	0		474.8310811
485	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	74	0	0	0		450
486	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	109	0	0	0		450
487	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	92	0	0	0		450
488	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	130	28	0	0		445.5696203
489	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	164	22	0	0		447.0430108
490	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	111	24	0	0		445.5555556
491	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	63	80	0	0		436.013986
492	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	52	78	0	0		435
493	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	22	159	0	0		428.038674
494	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	23	145	0	0		428.422619
495	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	11	102	0	0		427.4336283
496	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	99	0	0		425
497	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	98	10	0		422.6851852
498	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	71	21	0		419.2934783
499	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	17	22	0		410.8974359
500	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	56	0		404.7101449
501	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	23	85	0		405.3240741
502	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	134	0		400
503	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	116	0		400
504	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	134	0		400
505	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	109	0		400
506	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	111	0		400
507	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	97	0		400
508	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	20	0		400
509	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	26	21		388.8297872
510	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	22	24		386.9565217
511	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	20		378.2608696
512	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	64		375
513	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	103		375
514	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	87		375
515	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	641		375

So, for example, I wouldn't draft a QB with a Dash of 4.85 or higher.

Anyway, work calls. I'll start a new thread once I finish analysis of all combine values for QBs.

Ben E Lou · 01-14-2014, 08:28 AM

Do you have TCY installed and licensed? If not, importing draft files doesn't give you a fully accurate picture.

stretch · 01-14-2014, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Do you have TCY installed and licensed? If not, importing draft files doesn't give you a fully accurate picture.

I do not have TCY. So, how does importing a draft file that wasn't generated from TCY result in less accurate results?

Ben E Lou · 01-14-2014, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stretch

I do not have TCY. So, how does importing a draft file that wasn't generated from TCY result in less accurate results?

Because that's how the game is coded? (Not sure what you're trying to ask there...)

Ben E Lou · 01-14-2014, 12:37 PM

Follow-up for clarity:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The import function actually looks for and uses a piece of TCY. It works better when TCY is installed on your computer.

I had disabled the import function when TCY isn't present at one point, but reinstated it in one of the patches because that didn't seem fair to everyone. The estimates it makes when TCY is not present may not be ideal.

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Yoda · 01-14-2014, 01:07 PM

hmmm, I am thinking I need to buy TCY.

stretch · 01-14-2014, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Follow-up for clarity:

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - The College Years?

Thank you for the posts, quotes, and information.

I still think there is value in looking at rookie combine values and the ratings they may indicate. I'll start a new thread by the weekend.

In looking at the data from 2007 vs 7, there's no appreciable differences in the combine values produced vs. the rating of the player. One could argue it's because they were both generated using the same draft file generator.

Given what was quoted above, there is no guarantee that these combine values are reflective of what is accurate when the game generates in either a single player or multiplayer league.

Ben E Lou · 01-14-2014, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stretch

Thank you for the posts and quotes all.

I still think there is value in looking at rookie combine values and the ratings they may indicate. I'll start a new thread by the weekend.

In the meantime I'm going to be comparing these numbers to my QB numbers from 2007 to see if they are appreciably different.

The problem is that without TCY installed and licensed, the numbers you get will be incorrect. This was discussed in a thread in which you posted earlier:

Some Combine Benchmarks (and Drafting Thoughts) - Page 3 - Front Office Football Central

(Check the posts near that one as well for context.)

w24olfpack · 01-14-2014, 03:14 PM

Good stuff Strech.

It's worth the investment in TCY. The import game import LOOKS for files from the licensed TCY implementation.

With the, while directional, the numbers get a does of a bias. Exactly what that bias is, not sure but they come out much more consistent with TCY.

This is good work and does a great job showing the cuts and the outliers. I've done similar looking at mean and stddev but this is a really good example of some of the hard cuts.

True it up with TCY and I think you have a great way of displaying the data.

stretch · 01-14-2014, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w24olfpack

Good stuff Strech.

It's worth the investment in TCY. The import game import LOOKS for files from the licensed TCY implementation.

With the, while directional, the numbers get a does of a bias. Exactly what that bias is, not sure but they come out much more consistent with TCY.

This is good work and does a great job showing the cuts and the outliers. I've done similar looking at mean and stddev but this is a really good example of some of the hard cuts.

True it up with TCY and I think you have a great way of displaying the data.

I'll have to see what I can do about buying TCY then.

Question: from the TCY exports, can you see whether a player is a 625 vs 600 vs. 575, etc?

It will probably be a few weeks before I buy it and start producing new data.

LaStarza61 · 01-16-2014, 01:40 AM

I want to make sure I understand this discussion. I started an FOF 7 game starting in 2002 using Nilodor's roster files and then at the end of the first season, I imported his 2003 draft file. Are you saying that the ratings and combine numbers for the players in that draft file will not be accurate unless TCY is installed on my computer? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something. Wouldn't be the first time.

Thanks

Solecismic · 01-16-2014, 02:14 AM

It is no longer necessary. FOF 2007 read some of the data from an installed TCY data file. I copied that data over during FOF Seven development.

LaStarza61 · 01-16-2014, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

It is no longer necessary. FOF 2007 read some of the data from an installed TCY data file. I copied that data over during FOF Seven development.

Whew! Thank you!

Solecismic · 01-16-2014, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaStarza61

Whew! Thank you!

It is a little old and you're stuck with 2004-era conferences, but I hope it rates more than a Whew!

Anyway, it still sells OK at the reduced price, despite its age. But space really isn't a concern in executables any more, so there was no reason not to copy that data over when I was working on that area of the FOF7 code.

LaStarza61 · 01-16-2014, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

It is a little old and you're stuck with 2004-era conferences, but I hope it rates more than a Whew!

Anyway, it still sells OK at the reduced price, despite its age. But space really isn't a concern in executables any more, so there was no reason not to copy that data over when I was working on that area of the FOF7 code.

Oh, don't get me wrong... I purchased TCY a long time ago and got many, many hours of enjoyment with it. I just lost it with a computer crash a couple of computers ago and don't have it on this computer because I don't know my activation code. The only reason I said "Whew!" is because I spent a lot of time setting up my current FOF 7 game, changing some divisional alignments, etc... and I didn't want to have to start over. But TCY is a great game and I still may purchase it again at some point.

Thanks again.

stretch · 01-16-2014, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

It is a little old and you're stuck with 2004-era conferences, but I hope it rates more than a Whew!

Anyway, it still sells OK at the reduced price, despite its age. But space really isn't a concern in executables any more, so there was no reason not to copy that data over when I was working on that area of the FOF7 code.

God bless you Jim. I'll get back to my black box testing now.

Oh and curse you for making such an enjoyable game. I have stuff to do around the house on the weekend, not agonize over a 1st round QB choice in the 2015 draft.

wthomp · 03-24-2014, 07:24 AM

Does CapOlogist's custom draft generator in the FOF2K7 reference thread work with FOF7, or do the files have to be tweaked?

Can a single player career from 2K7 be imported into FOF7?

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w24olfpack Mascot Join Date: Mar 2009	Good stuff Strech. It's worth the investment in TCY. The import game import LOOKS for files from the licensed TCY implementation. With the, while directional, the numbers get a does of a bias. Exactly what that bias is, not sure but they come out much more consistent with TCY. This is good work and does a great job showing the cuts and the outliers. I've done similar looking at mean and stddev but this is a really good example of some of the hard cuts. True it up with TCY and I think you have a great way of displaying the data.

01-16-2014, 01:40 AM	#17
LaStarza61 n00b Join Date: Nov 2011	I want to make sure I understand this discussion. I started an FOF 7 game starting in 2002 using Nilodor's roster files and then at the end of the first season, I imported his 2003 draft file. Are you saying that the ratings and combine numbers for the players in that draft file will not be accurate unless TCY is installed on my computer? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something. Wouldn't be the first time. Thanks Last edited by LaStarza61 : 01-16-2014 at 01:50 AM.

01-16-2014, 02:14 AM	#18
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	It is no longer necessary. FOF 2007 read some of the data from an installed TCY data file. I copied that data over during FOF Seven development.

03-24-2014, 07:24 AM	#23
wthomp n00b Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lewisberry, PA	Does CapOlogist's custom draft generator in the FOF2K7 reference thread work with FOF7, or do the files have to be tweaked? Can a single player career from 2K7 be imported into FOF7?

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