Survivor: Cagayan (Spoilers ahead!)

[General Mike]

And we're back! 2 hour premiere tonight. Special celebrity contestants this season are former NBA star Cliff Robinson and Miami Marlins president David Samson.

[Neon_Chaos]

This is the 3rd (4th)? Consecutive Survivor the've done here in the Philippines. They've picked nice locations too... Siargao, Surigao, Cagayan.

[General Mike]

Spoiler

Nuclear engineer and can't even do a puzzle.

Worthless.

[Maple Leafs]

So Garrett has to go down in the "worst players of all-time" discussion, no?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

So Garrett has to go down in the "worst players of all-time" discussion, no?

He was an idiot and a bitch, but if I was him I would have thought I was safe as well. How do you keep someone who has cost you a challange, then dumps all your food onto the fire.

[ntndeacon]

Does it seem like all the brains are too busy scheming for the future to realize that the short game has merit as well. If you go into the merge with low numbers...odss are you are out.

[Alan T]

The brains team seem to be lacking two very important aspects of Survivor..

1) The coordination (strength?) to do well in any sort of physical challenge..
2) The social aspect of the game that is needed

I don't honestly know what they are trying to accomplish but that tribe is one huge train wreck.

[larrymcg421]

To me, the big flaw was Garrett and Spencer trading a 4 person alliance for a 3 person alliance.

[Suicane75]

I think this season has some real good potential. I'm sure some of the louder personalities will veer into the annoying category but the cast from top to bottom looks real strong.

And dear god the boobies on that lady. That dumb, dumb, dumb lady.

[EagleFan]

The smart tribe is rather stupid.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

So Garrett has to go down in the "worst players of all-time" discussion, no?

absolutely. and you could still make this argument even if you ignore him leaving the idol in his pocket (actually, back at camp). I cannot believe this guy makes a living playing poker, as he exhibited none of the skills a good poker player should have. Amazingly, as historically bad a he was, he wasn't even the worst player on the team.

Seems like every season we see people make the same mistake - playing the game too hard out of the box. IMO your first week on the island should be spent cautiously. you can't win the game with a bold move early, but you can certainly lose it. Garret and David both learned that. Well, David did. I'm not sure Garret has the capacity to learn anything

[Draft Dodger]

Dola,
I couldn't remember the name of the dude cop, but I told myself it had to be Tony or Vinny or Joey or something. Nailed that one

[Draft Dodger]

Double Dola,
It can't be a coincidence that "Morgan" and "mammary" start with the same letter. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[FBPro]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

Double Dola,
It can't be a coincidence that "Morgan" and "mammary" start with the same letter. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

+1

[B & B]

This is the only 'reality' show I watch. Pretty good track record of picking winners and my horse in this season is gonna be Sarah, the female cop.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

absolutely. and you could still make this argument even if you ignore him leaving the idol in his pocket (actually, back at camp). I cannot believe this guy makes a living playing poker, as he exhibited none of the skills a good poker player should have. Amazingly, as historically bad a he was, he wasn't even the worst player on the team.

Seems like every season we see people make the same mistake - playing the game too hard out of the box. IMO your first week on the island should be spent cautiously. you can't win the game with a bold move early, but you can certainly lose it. Garret and David both learned that. Well, David did. I'm not sure Garret has the capacity to learn anything

I think a better question is can David take what he learned in 3 days of Survivor to the Miami Marlins.

[Alan T]

No comments about last night's great episode?

The Brawn tribe tried to throw a challenge to get rid of an asset so they wouldn't have to deal with him later down the road (and meanwhile would remove the numbers advantage they had over the other tribes).. yet they failed to throw the challenge..

The Brains couldn't even win the challenge even when another team was purposefully trying to throw it. And when going to tribal council, seemed to be considering getting rid of their only member that had any chance of getting them anywhere near being able to compete in anything in favor of keeping the worst Survivor player in history, who also had thrown out most of their rice in a fit of rage.

Meanwhile the beauty tribe had a stimulating conversation on how Hen Eggs are made...

So many funny moments last night, I feel ashamed for watching it

[Lathum]

yeah, was an entertaining episode. The brains tribe has to go down as the worst in history. I think they are even worse than the tribe that lost every challange.

[Kodos]

I thought the "Rack Themselves" challenge was a little sad though.

[Mota]

I don't know how they are the brains tribe. Just from listening to them talk for 30 seconds, you often know if a person is smart or not. These people for the most part sound like morons. They must be book smart.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by Mota

They must be book smart.

Bingo - I know several "book smart" people that have ZERO social/common sense skills.

On the other spectrum - my father-in-law isn't very book smart but has done very well for himself (owns two businesses).

I still think the guy on the Brains side (forget his name) is a pretty good player. I can see him doing pretty well once the merger hits next week.

[Kodos]

Wish they'd do a Survivor: Extinction season with no mergers.

[Draft Dodger]

I said above that Garrett was one of the worst players in Survivor history, but wasn't even the worst on his team. I do not know what is more amazing - that J'Tia was completely inept at ALL aspects of the game or that they were seriously considering keeping her. Stunning.

[EagleFan]

I am seriously getting sick of watching tribes that start picking off the strong members at the start of the game. If there is no one left on your tribe at the time of the merge you are screwed. You need the strong members early.

[EagleFan]

That Tony guy is annoying the hell out of me. Another thing that I hate is people who immediately believe lies, like the girl he aligned with all because of one lie.

[Draft Dodger]

agree with all points EagleFan.

wish I could put my finger on who Tony reminds me of. It's really bugging me.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

agree with all points EagleFan.

wish I could put my finger on who Tony reminds me of. It's really bugging me.

Glad I am not the only one. I keep thinking that I swear I have seen him, or someone EXACTLY like him before.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I am seriously getting sick of watching tribes that start picking off the strong members at the start of the game. If there is no one left on your tribe at the time of the merge you are screwed. You need the strong members early.

Yes, they'd need to do at least 2 seasons in a row with no merger to break that. It would make for some awkward moments with 1 on 1 competitions and having to sit 7 people, but I think it would help encourage keeping the stronger players rather than voting them out every time.

[21C]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Glad I am not the only one. I keep thinking that I swear I have seen him, or someone EXACTLY like him before.

He reminds me of Max Perlich (I had to look him up) who had recently been in Justified as Sammy Tonin.

I couldn't find a good pic of him.

[Draft Dodger]

Sammy Tonin. That is exactly it!

[larrymcg421]

Keeping the strong players makes sense if you're a strong player, but not if you're a weak player. I actually hate how Jeff always gets livid at tribes for getting rid of strong players. I also hate when the weak players just assume they'll be voted out and then start targeting each other instead of getting together to form a counter alliance.

The "extinction" scenario you guys are talking about sounds incredibly boring. The three tribal councils for the Brains were very exciting and made for great television. I have no idea why anyone would want to change that to a format where it wouldve been a predictable series of boots - J'Tia, Tasha, Kass.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I am seriously getting sick of watching tribes that start picking off the strong members at the start of the game.

I think players have figured out that no matter how contrived the initial setup it, they'll merge and/or shakeup the tribes within a few days. Might as well get rid of the strong guy by the third or fourth tribal, since there's a good chance you'll be up against him next time.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

I think players have figured out that no matter how contrived the initial setup it, they'll merge and/or shakeup the tribes within a few days. Might as well get rid of the strong guy by the third or fourth tribal, since there's a good chance you'll be up against him next time.

I don't disagree with that, but you never know what the producers of this show are going to do. The Palau season is the main example of that as they let the one tribe to completely die. I think them wanting to vote out Cliff early had more to do with other issues (not doing anything around camp) then him being an individual immunity threat down the line.

[saldana]

so this is not related to this season at all, but i was just watching an old, stupid movie on Netflix for background noise while i am working...Down Periscope with Kelsey Grammer

the whole time i was watching it, it was killing while i was trying to figure out who the helmsman was (his name in the movie was Spots).

it was driving me crazy that i couldnt figure out what else i had seen him in so when the credits came on, i actually read them.

Jonathan Penner.

i dont recall them ever saying anything during his season about him being a professional actor

Jonathan Penner - IMDb

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by saldana

Jonathan Penner.

i dont recall them ever saying anything during his season about him being a professional actor

Really? Because I felt like he brought that up a LOT - especially when he was trying to bond with Lisa Welchel.

I happened to catch him on an Arrested Development rerun not too long after his Survivor run. And based on his IMDB listing, that's the only show he's been in that I'd ever watch

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

Really? Because I felt like he brought that up a LOT - especially when he was trying to bond with Lisa Welchel.

I happened to catch him on an Arrested Development rerun not too long after his Survivor run. And based on his IMDB listing, that's the only show he's been in that I'd ever watch

i remember him saying stuff hinting at it, but i didnt remember them ever saying it flat out, or having it at the bottom of the screen when they showed his name

[larrymcg421]

I knew him the first season he was on because I had seen him in The Last Supper, which is a hilarious political satire.

I don't remember if they mentioned it the first two seasons he was on, but in Philippines I remember him bringing it up to Lisa Whelchel as a way of relating to her.

[Draft Dodger]

that was a savvy move by Tony there to put the target on Jeremiah's back. can't say I would have thought of that. I honestly didn't think he'd last this long, but he's been very strong

[EagleFan]

Trish has to go. She is obnoxious. I want to stab an ice pick in my ears every time she talks.

[korme]

"Shame on you, Lindsie"

Really Trish? Why rub salt in the wounds?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Trish has to go. She is obnoxious. I want to stab an ice pick in my ears every time she talks.

i was trying to think if there had ever been a more annoying player than her...i am sure there has been, but they usually dont last this long

[Ragone]

Why eliminate cliff? I mean.. He's a strong player but
He's also rich.. Who is going to vote to give a rich man money
At the end? I'd risk taking him to the end on that premise alone..

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

that was a savvy move by Tony there to put the target on Jeremiah's back. can't say I would have thought of that. I honestly didn't think he'd last this long, but he's been very strong

as good as that move was, the chanting of "top 5 baby" was not as savvy...



FM

[Draft Dodger]

I know they played that up a ton, but I don't know that it was a total disaster. you need to be solid with your tribemates going into the alliance, and they definitely seem to be pretty tight right now.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

I know they played that up a ton, but I don't know that it was a total disaster. you need to be solid with your tribemates going into the alliance, and they definitely seem to be pretty tight right now.

Yeah, they need to be tight, but they also need a majority. They are now down 6-5 unless they can swing Sarah back and they just made that so much harder. If Sarah votes with the Brains, then "Top Five" could be a game changing blunder.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Yeah, they need to be tight, but they also need a majority. They are now down 6-5 unless they can swing Sarah back and they just made that so much harder. If Sarah votes with the Brains, then "Top Five" could be a game changing blunder.

Problem is that she doesn't seem that bright and will probably end up following his next lie to her.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Problem is that she doesn't seem that bright and will probably end up following his next lie to her.

yeah...she kind of exudes stupid...every time she talks, all i can think is.."this is why people think cops are dumb"

[larrymcg421]

Sarah might still jump back to Tony, but I'd say she was 100% to do that before the "Top 5" comment. The comment gained nothing, since it could've been done back at camp if it was for unity purposes. They might survive in spite of that, but that doesn't make it a good decision.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Sarah might still jump back to Tony, but I'd say she was 100% to do that before the "Top 5" comment. The comment gained nothing, since it could've been done back at camp if it was for unity purposes. They might survive in spite of that, but that doesn't make it a good decision.

I don't think the top 5 comment was that bad of a play when thinking about it.

Now the beauty left overs on the other tribe aren't going to trust the ones from the 'Top 5' and he will easily convince Sarah to rejoin him. I hope there will be much more going on around camp as I feel the game could get very boring for a while if she falls in line and they start picking off the others one by one.

[larrymcg421]

Some really bad Survivor play this week, but it made for an entertaining episode.

Kass' performance tonight is dumber than all of J'Tia's combined. She pissed off the swing vote they needed to stay in the majority and didn't seem to understand why Tasha was trying to comfort Sarah. Then, she flipped from an alliance where she had a clear path to the final three to one where she will be 6th out of 6 and pissed off most of the jury even if she somehow does make it to the final three.

Sarah overplayed her role as the swing vote to an obnoxious degree. Also, if she wanted Tony out, she should've made him think she was definitely on his side instead of making him think he needed to scramble.

LJ: Why would you play your idol back on Tony, who they clearly weren't voting for?