The Rules for the Cup and the official FOFC Cup III website!

HornedFrog Purple · 05-07-2003, 10:53 AM

This is the officialish FOFC Cup III website:

Website of FOFC Cup III

These rules will also be on the website, but just so everyone can see them...

This is tiebreaker within each group:

1- Head-to-head
2- Goal difference
3- Goals scored
4- Higher seed

This is tiebreaker for the 4 3rd place teams to advance:

1- Goal difference
2- Goals scored
3- Higher seed

No-show rule:

If a team challenges another, posts it in the appropriate topic in the forum and the other team does not accept, that team is awarded a 5-0 win.

If a team is still in their country's cup, both teams are awarded a 0-0 draw.

Advancement:

After 5 weeks of group play, the following teams advance into a 32-team single elimination tournament:

14- 1st place teams
14- 2nd place teams
4- 3rd place teams

In the 32-team tournament, the higher total FrogMan ranking as used to determine the seedings will be the home team.

During the group play, cup-rules are not used. In the 32-team elimination rounds, cup-rules will be used.

fantastic flying froggies · 05-07-2003, 11:02 AM

Yahoo, let's start this thing already !!!!!

BTW, great job on setting the cup up, congrats to you 2 somewhat-frog-related-species brothers.

BishopMVP · 05-07-2003, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
This is tiebreaker for the 4 3rd place teams to advance:

1- Goal difference
2- Goals scored
3- Higher seed

Are points going to be the first determinant here?

FrogMan · 05-07-2003, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BishopMVP
Are points going to be the first determinant here?

Yes, when you want to break a tie, it's because the teams are tied in points...

FM

FrogMan · 05-08-2003, 01:30 PM

bump...

HornedFrog,
Maybe you should sticky this and edit your top message to include a link to the Cup website so everyone know where to look for cup information... I'll try to set up the rules on the website tonight or tomorrow...

FM
PS: we also need a deadline as to when it is that we say a team has not accepted a challenge (Monday, Tuesday??)

HornedFrog Purple · 05-08-2003, 01:43 PM

Ok I will fix this and sticky it!

FrogMan · 05-08-2003, 08:55 PM

The rules have been incorporated to the Cup Website and I have also added a Checklist page for week 1 where you can see who has booked their game and who still has to book something.

HornedFrog, please go over the rules and let me know if anything isn't right...

FM.

HornedFrog Purple · 05-09-2003, 10:44 AM

Rules look fine, just one small edit:

No-show rule: If a team challenges another, posts it in the appropriate topic in the forum and the other team does not accept before Monday 5pm EDT, the challenging team is awarded a 5-0 win.

FrogMan · 05-09-2003, 10:46 AM

Oops!

Will be corrected tonight.

FM

FrogMan · 05-13-2003, 09:07 PM

I have just finished updating the Cup website.

Migth be worth it to visit it, as I have also added some better ways to navigate within the site (group pages and or week pages)

Let me know what you think...

FM

Eilim · 05-13-2003, 09:19 PM

The site looks sweet, Frogman. Great job!

fantastic flying froggies · 05-14-2003, 12:54 AM

Great job as always, homme grenouille.

NAIWF · 05-14-2003, 01:49 AM

Excellent work. Looks like the Fantastic Flying Froggies and I have the first game in the Cup, no pressure or anything

Too bad I'll probably miss the whole game with it's 9 AM EST start time (darn trips to France will cost me not 1 but 2 match viewings!)

fantastic flying froggies · 05-14-2003, 07:56 AM

Don't worry, i'm gonna update this thread as the game progresses...

EDIT : actually, i 'm rather gonna start a new thread, otherwise i'll swamp this one...

robbgmaier · 05-14-2003, 02:54 PM

Was there ever any discussion of having the bracket of 32 be a blind draw each week? Just a thought, I like that routine better than a fixed bracket. Anyone else?

DataKing · 05-14-2003, 03:04 PM

A blind draw each week is an interesting idea, worthy of some consideration. I believe we've already established the rules for FOFC Cup III, and probably shouldn't deviate from them now that we've started, but could always change things for FOFC Cup IV.

I think a blind draw, like just about anything else, has some good elements and some bad.

Good: more of a random factor, giving lower-end teams a (better?) chance to make it to the later rounds, depending on the luck of the draw.

Bad: eliminates the advantage of doing well in group play. If we're talking about a purely blind draw, then there's no difference between going 5-0 in group play and doing just enough to advance. Also improves the possibility of a good team going down early, because they have to play another top-end team (what if the #1 and #2 seeds draw each other in the first week?).

An alternative might be a high-low draw. In the round of 32, each of the top 16 teams would be matched up against a random team from the bottom 16. Of course, this would give more of an advantage to the #16 team, who would presumably get an easier draw than they would have normally, and penalize the #1 team (who would not automatically get to play the #32 team).

Just some food for thought.

cthomer5000 · 05-21-2003, 08:23 PM

anyone else willing to bet the 5-0 walkover rule will be the deciding factor for the 3rd place teams that advance?

HornedFrog Purple · 05-22-2003, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cthomer5000
anyone else willing to bet the 5-0 walkover rule will be the deciding factor for the 3rd place teams that advance?

Actually there have not been but 3 or 4 walkover games for 2 weeks of play which is pretty good I think. It might be a factor for the final 3rd place team, but it is too early to tell.

vex · 05-23-2003, 12:10 AM

What happened to the site?

FrogMan · 05-23-2003, 06:47 AM

Should be updated tonight. Had absolutely no time for it on Wednesday or yesterday night. Sorry, real life got in the way

FM

vex · 05-23-2003, 10:02 AM

It's not that it wasn't updated, but it just wasn't working.

Are you serving the site off of your computer?

FrogMan · 05-23-2003, 10:07 AM

nope, it's on my ISP's server. It's free and sometimes it's kind of shaky. I checked it this morning and it was morning.

Right after replying I thought it might what you were implying, that it was not accessible. And before anybody asks, no I'm not using Hattrick's server to host the cup website

FM

vex · 05-23-2003, 10:11 AM

We wouldn't ever get to see it if that was the case.

Alf · 05-24-2003, 02:44 PM

Are we going to have a poll for brackets determination ?

DukeRulesMAB · 05-24-2003, 02:52 PM

FYI, West Fargo in Group C only appears to have gotten "credit" for the first week so far in the latest update.

FrogMan · 05-24-2003, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DukeRulesMAB
FYI, West Fargo in Group C only appears to have gotten "credit" for the first week so far in the latest update.

Thanks for letting me know. This has been corrected and the new "standings" and "group C" pages have been uploaded to the website.

FM

QuikSand · 06-02-2003, 09:35 AM

In retrospect, I wonder if the scheduling of the top and second seeds from each group in the first round was the best way to go. I'm sure that there were a fair number of groups (mine included) where that match had to be a washout, because of continued cup participation.

If most of our group play ends up skipping the match between its top two seeds, then you end up with a weird setup for that system, I think. I suppose it reduces the "penalty" for not being able to play in the cup match (a top seed losing out on a sure win) but in my mind, it oes take away a bit from the group play dynamic.

Alas, as my group's second seed, a 0-0 tie against lytic's side is probably a better outcome than I deserved, so from a selfish perspective, I ought to clam up.

Airhog · 06-02-2003, 08:19 PM

If I remeber correctly only one team missed a match due to cup games. I think that the disparity comes from the A team B team. alot of people that are middle of the pack and worse dont have a B team. And alot of people that play their B team get beat because most people here cant afford a great backup squad.

Vince · 06-10-2003, 02:33 AM

So to determine seedings for the round of 32, it's like so, correct?

1) Points
2) Original Seed

Or are we doing the same tie breakers for seeding that we did for entry into the elimination round?

1) Points
2) Differential
3) Total Goals

Just trying to figure out how I'm seeding the consolation cup.

FrogMan · 07-26-2003, 10:08 PM

bump and unsticky...

FM

05-08-2003, 01:30 PM	#5
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	bump... HornedFrog, Maybe you should sticky this and edit your top message to include a link to the Cup website so everyone know where to look for cup information... I'll try to set up the rules on the website tonight or tomorrow... FM PS: we also need a deadline as to when it is that we say a team has not accepted a challenge (Monday, Tuesday??) __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

05-08-2003, 01:43 PM	#6
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Ok I will fix this and sticky it! __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

05-08-2003, 08:55 PM	#7
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	The rules have been incorporated to the Cup Website and I have also added a Checklist page for week 1 where you can see who has booked their game and who still has to book something. HornedFrog, please go over the rules and let me know if anything isn't right... FM. __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

05-09-2003, 10:44 AM	#8
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Rules look fine, just one small edit: No-show rule: If a team challenges another, posts it in the appropriate topic in the forum and the other team does not accept before Monday 5pm EDT, the challenging team is awarded a 5-0 win. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

05-09-2003, 10:46 AM	#9
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	Oops! Will be corrected tonight. FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

05-07-2003, 11:02 AM	#2
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	Yahoo, let's start this thing already !!!!! BTW, great job on setting the cup up, congrats to you 2 somewhat-frog-related-species brothers. __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink

05-13-2003, 09:07 PM	#10
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	I have just finished updating the Cup website. Migth be worth it to visit it, as I have also added some better ways to navigate within the site (group pages and or week pages) Let me know what you think... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

05-13-2003, 09:19 PM	#11
Eilim High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Foxboro,MA	The site looks sweet, Frogman. Great job!

05-14-2003, 12:54 AM	#12
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	Great job as always, homme grenouille. __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink

05-14-2003, 01:49 AM	#13
NAIWF College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York, NY	Excellent work. Looks like the Fantastic Flying Froggies and I have the first game in the Cup, no pressure or anything Too bad I'll probably miss the whole game with it's 9 AM EST start time (darn trips to France will cost me not 1 but 2 match viewings!)

05-14-2003, 07:56 AM	#14
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	Don't worry, i'm gonna update this thread as the game progresses... EDIT : actually, i 'm rather gonna start a new thread, otherwise i'll swamp this one... __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink Last edited by fantastic flying froggies : 05-14-2003 at 07:57 AM.

05-14-2003, 02:54 PM	#15
robbgmaier College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2001	Was there ever any discussion of having the bracket of 32 be a blind draw each week? Just a thought, I like that routine better than a fixed bracket. Anyone else?

05-14-2003, 03:04 PM	#16
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	A blind draw each week is an interesting idea, worthy of some consideration. I believe we've already established the rules for FOFC Cup III, and probably shouldn't deviate from them now that we've started, but could always change things for FOFC Cup IV. I think a blind draw, like just about anything else, has some good elements and some bad. Good: more of a random factor, giving lower-end teams a (better?) chance to make it to the later rounds, depending on the luck of the draw. Bad: eliminates the advantage of doing well in group play. If we're talking about a purely blind draw, then there's no difference between going 5-0 in group play and doing just enough to advance. Also improves the possibility of a good team going down early, because they have to play another top-end team (what if the #1 and #2 seeds draw each other in the first week?). An alternative might be a high-low draw. In the round of 32, each of the top 16 teams would be matched up against a random team from the bottom 16. Of course, this would give more of an advantage to the #16 team, who would presumably get an easier draw than they would have normally, and penalize the #1 team (who would not automatically get to play the #32 team). Just some food for thought. __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

05-23-2003, 12:10 AM	#19
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	What happened to the site?

05-23-2003, 06:47 AM	#20
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	Should be updated tonight. Had absolutely no time for it on Wednesday or yesterday night. Sorry, real life got in the way FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

05-23-2003, 10:02 AM	#21
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	It's not that it wasn't updated, but it just wasn't working. Are you serving the site off of your computer?

05-23-2003, 10:07 AM	#22
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	nope, it's on my ISP's server. It's free and sometimes it's kind of shaky. I checked it this morning and it was morning. Right after replying I thought it might what you were implying, that it was not accessible. And before anybody asks, no I'm not using Hattrick's server to host the cup website FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

05-23-2003, 10:11 AM	#23
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	We wouldn't ever get to see it if that was the case.

05-24-2003, 02:44 PM	#24
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	Are we going to have a poll for brackets determination ? __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats

05-24-2003, 02:52 PM	#25
DukeRulesMAB College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alexandria, VA	FYI, West Fargo in Group C only appears to have gotten "credit" for the first week so far in the latest update. __________________ FOBL: Where anyone not in IAP FOFL: I may be the commish, but it's still pretty good.

06-02-2003, 09:35 AM	#27
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	In retrospect, I wonder if the scheduling of the top and second seeds from each group in the first round was the best way to go. I'm sure that there were a fair number of groups (mine included) where that match had to be a washout, because of continued cup participation. If most of our group play ends up skipping the match between its top two seeds, then you end up with a weird setup for that system, I think. I suppose it reduces the "penalty" for not being able to play in the cup match (a top seed losing out on a sure win) but in my mind, it oes take away a bit from the group play dynamic. Alas, as my group's second seed, a 0-0 tie against lytic's side is probably a better outcome than I deserved, so from a selfish perspective, I ought to clam up.

06-02-2003, 08:19 PM	#28
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	If I remeber correctly only one team missed a match due to cup games. I think that the disparity comes from the A team B team. alot of people that are middle of the pack and worse dont have a B team. And alot of people that play their B team get beat because most people here cant afford a great backup squad. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

06-10-2003, 02:33 AM	#29
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	So to determine seedings for the round of 32, it's like so, correct? 1) Points 2) Original Seed Or are we doing the same tie breakers for seeding that we did for entry into the elimination round? 1) Points 2) Differential 3) Total Goals Just trying to figure out how I'm seeding the consolation cup. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

07-26-2003, 10:08 PM	#30
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	bump and unsticky... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

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