Tony Stewart ran over, killed a guy

BishopMVP · 08-10-2014, 01:09 AM

Reports are still sketchy at this point, but it sounds like Stewart intentionally hit a fellow driver who was out of his car after a wreck and yelling at Stewart, possibly dragging him for a couple of seconds, then throwing him 25+ feet in the air. Even if the kid survives I hope Stewart goes to jail for a few years.

RainMaker · 08-10-2014, 01:35 AM

Video of the incident. Not for the squeamish.

Tony Stewart Hits Driver at Canandaigua Motorsports Park 8/9/14 - YouTube

Eaglesfan27 · 08-10-2014, 01:39 AM

Wow. The fellow driver was Kevin Ward. Some reports say he is in critical condition. One report says he has passed away. That video is tough to watch.

MrBug708 · 08-10-2014, 01:43 AM

I doubt they can prove intent based on that video

TroyF · 08-10-2014, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I doubt they can prove intent based on that video

Based on the video, I doubt it. But this is where the "Smoke" moniker could come back to bite him in the ass heavily. At the very least, it was reckless going that fast and hitting the gas. Stewart knows damned well what happens when you hit the gas in a dirt car. (and from my one look at the video, it looks like he hit the gas)

I pray the kid is ok, but I kind of doubt it based on reports from witnesses. I don't see any way in hell Stewart will win the civil suit on this, regardless of the kid living or not.

Just a brutal situation.

RainMaker · 08-10-2014, 02:07 AM

Sheriff reporting the individual was dead on arrival at the hospital.

RainMaker · 08-10-2014, 02:18 AM

Video was removed. If you still have the morbid curiosity, Deadspin has it up.

Video: Tony Stewart Runs Over Driver Confronting Him On Foot [UPDATE]

JonInMiddleGA · 08-10-2014, 02:56 AM

Sheriff says no charges.

Dark suit, poorly lit track, sounds very plausible that he never saw the driver.
Or at least that's consistent with the quotes from a witness.

SirFozzie · 08-10-2014, 04:34 AM

No charges period? That sounds very fishy... maybe no charges right now, but I don't think they'd rule anything out this quickly.

JediKooter · 08-10-2014, 04:38 AM

I can't see how charges could be filed when the dude got out of his car and then ran into traffic, pointing at someone like he's pissed. Maybe there's more video than what I saw that shows something different, but, I can't see what Stewart did wrong.

frnk55 · 08-10-2014, 04:42 AM

Holy shit. Getting out of the car is whats going to save Tony on this.

Logan · 08-10-2014, 05:58 AM

I think it's going to be interesting to see how the reaction to this breaks down between racing fans and non fans.

SirFozzie · 08-10-2014, 06:03 AM

Looks like he may race today, he's in the starting list.

Lathum · 08-10-2014, 06:06 AM

Ware shouldn't have gotten out of his car and weaved his way into traffic. It is obviously a tragedy but one that could have been easily prevented. If someone wrecked you on the freeway and their car ended up in the opposite side of the road would you dance through traffic to point and yell at them?

We will never know Stewarts intent but i doubt he hit him on purpose. Ware did something very immature and stupid and it unfortunately cost him his life.

Lathum · 08-10-2014, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Looks like he may race today, he's in the starting list.

If nothing else this is a bad PR move.

Lathum · 08-10-2014, 06:08 AM

Dola. When will he learn nothing good can come from him screwing around on these small dirt tracks.

Julio Riddols · 08-10-2014, 06:17 AM

That Ward dude was an idiot.

From what I can see, Stewart didn't even hit his car, the dude just slid into the wall.. Then he gets out and basically runs right in front of the car? What the fuck.

I don't even give a damn about NASCAR, but I don't think anything can be said as far as Stewart intentionally hitting the guy. The guy intentionally hit him, with his body. I'm kind of amazed at the level of damage done to the dude, but I am confused on a level I rarely achieve as to why a guy would decide to run directly into traffic at a race, no matter the circumstances. Not saying he deserved to die by any means, but wow.. Incredibly stupid.

Ryan S · 08-10-2014, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

That Ward dude was an idiot.

That is exactly my reading of the situation. Why the hell would you walk down towards the racing line on a dirt track?

Matthean · 08-10-2014, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Sheriff says no charges.

Dark suit, poorly lit track, sounds very plausible that he never saw the driver.
Or at least that's consistent with the quotes from a witness.

Another driver swerved to miss him.

EDIT: It appears via some reports that Tony's fishtailing was part of him trying to get out of the way. It was hard to tell based on the video I saw.

RainMaker · 08-10-2014, 06:41 AM

There is a slow-motion video of it. Sort of looks like he tries to avoid him and the back end clips him.

Tony Stewart Hits Sprint Car Driver Kevin Ward Jr (SLOW MOTION) - YouTube

Ryan S · 08-10-2014, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Another driver swerved to miss him.

EDIT: It appears via some reports that Tony's fishtailing was part of him trying to get out of the way. It was hard to tell based on the video I saw.

I think that one of the problems for an observer is understanding exactly how these cars are driven.

From what I can gather these cars are pretty much steered with the throttle on a low grip surface. Hitting the brakes might have just sent the entire body of the car into the other driver.

SteveMax58 · 08-10-2014, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Not saying he deserved to die by any means, but wow.. Incredibly stupid.

Not trying to be an ass when a man dies but I would say if anybody was deserving of dying its somebody that runs into a racetrack yelling at somebody in a car. Especially as this guy should know full well the difficulty in controlling these cars on a dirt track & 1 slight variance will destroy you.

It definitely takes a unique mindset to race at this level as it does with a lot of other "extreme" (for lack of a better word) sports. And not that I'm saying the man was a bad guy or that all people who get angry & emotional should die because they do a stupid thing in the heat of the moment...just that in a Darwinian sense the guy kinda does deserve it. I've said the same thing when I see guys running out there in NASCAR as well...f'n idiots.

rowech · 08-10-2014, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan S

I think that one of the problems for an observer is understanding exactly how these cars are driven.

From what I can gather these cars are pretty much steered with the throttle on a low grip surface. Hitting the brakes might have just sent the entire body of the car into the other driver.

Only Stewart knows, and will ever know, what happened. Somebody on the video I saw revved their engine. It's pretty easy in my opinion to hear it. Assuming it was Stewart, my guess is he revved the engine, tried to scare the guy, car fishtailed, and the rest is tragedy. Involuntary manslaughter at the most but I am guessing no criminal charges, civil lawsuit for wrongful death from the family, settled out of court.

Dutch · 08-10-2014, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMax58

Not trying to be an ass when a man dies but I would say if anybody was deserving of dying its somebody that runs into a racetrack yelling at somebody in a car. Especially as this guy should know full well the difficulty in controlling these cars on a dirt track & 1 slight variance will destroy you.

It definitely takes a unique mindset to race at this level as it does with a lot of other "extreme" (for lack of a better word) sports. And not that I'm saying the man was a bad guy or that all people who get angry & emotional should die because they do a stupid thing in the heat of the moment...just that in a Darwinian sense the guy kinda does deserve it. I've said the same thing when I see guys running out there in NASCAR as well...f'n idiots.

Hmmmm, if Tony Stewart has this mentality, maybe he did kill him on purpose in the heat of the moment...

Dutch · 08-10-2014, 08:56 AM

In any event, crazy shit to see a high profile race driver get caught up in something like this.

path12 · 08-10-2014, 09:37 AM

Stupid to get out of the car but how is that not at least manslaughter? Amazes me how many people just blame the dead guy. Tony Stewart has been racing sprint cars most of his life.

jeff061 · 08-10-2014, 09:42 AM

After watching that video, it's amazing to me how anyone could blame Stewart.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-10-2014, 09:50 AM

Ridiculous that anyone blames Stewart. You don't want to die, don't walk in front of moving cars on a dirt track (or any track for that matter).

Noop · 08-10-2014, 10:01 AM

It sucks this guy died the way he did but he should have never gotten out of the car. I don't see this as a criminal issue but it could be a negligence issue. If it is a negligence issue the fact that the guy stepped out into oncoming traffic may limit or bar recovery.

RainMaker · 08-10-2014, 10:05 AM

I've seen guys get out of the car to throw a helmet or yell but I've never seen a guy intentionally get that close to the action. It looked like he was trying to get in front of the car to stop it or something. Unfortunate accident but that's a Darwin Award winner if I ever saw one.

Matthean · 08-10-2014, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I've seen guys get out of the car to throw a helmet or yell but I've never seen a guy intentionally get that close to the action. It looked like he was trying to get in front of the car to stop it or something. Unfortunate accident but that's a Darwin Award winner if I ever saw one.

And if you want to throw a helmet, stand further down from your car but still use it as a shield so drivers can dodge an obviously wrecked car. Step into oncoming traffic? Here's your sign.

Sweed · 08-10-2014, 10:31 AM

Well I guess we can all speculate until the cows come home but honestly I have to lay the blame on the guy that got out of the car.

So my speculation, which is as good as anyone's, from seeing the video on deadspin that shows the car hit the wall, ...

Guy hits wall entering the turn. Used to go to a lot of dirt track races years ago and I am not seeing anything to get worked up about here it's a race, shit happens.

Gets out of car and enters traffic in a dark racing suit(stupid if its a white suit with reflective tape). Remember this comes on a spot that is entering a turn, in the dark. The car ahead of Stewart sees the driver and avoids him. It approaches the driver at the 33 second mark and is just passing him at 34 seconds. At 35 seconds Stewart enters the frame and the driver is hit and down before the clock turns to 36 seconds. I wonder if the car ahead of Stewart obstructed his view coming around the corner? A second of obstructed view could reduce his reaction time to almost nothing. I think about the blind spots in my car from the roof supports that are 3-4" wide and the number of times over 40 years of driving that I have been amazed at what can "hide" there. Where is the car ahead of him in relation to his line of sight towards the idiot on the track? Stewart had a car ahead of him going into a turn, in the dark, towards a driver in a dark suit that he had no reason to believe would be there. It's his fault?

I would say he was as surprised as ALL of the drivers ahead of him that saw an idiot out on the track. It could be that he just happened to be in a place where his view was obstructed for a second and that second made a difference.

I just don't see how any charges come from this. Out of court settlement? Yeah but only because it will be the cheapest way for it to be resolved.

ColtCrazy · 08-10-2014, 10:34 AM

It's a horrible tragedy, but I'm in the "what was Ward thinking" camp. He's got a dark suit on and goes out into the middle of the track. It's not clear on the video, but it could be argued Stewart tried to swerve. Stewart has a long standing rep as an asshole, but to intentionally run over a kid?

CU Tiger · 08-10-2014, 10:37 AM

Man I've been reading on this most of the morning never expected it to make a splash on FOFC...this site never ceases to amaze me.

Have to agree the the deceased party put himself in harms way and its hard to fault Stewart fully for what happened. One of the things Ive heard/read over and over is that "intent was clear because you can see Tony's car veer up the track as he tried to run over him"...

This explanation is a bit macabre but I think its being missed by some. These cars run an open differential rear end, that is intentionally loose that allows one tire to spin faster than the other and the right tire is much larger than the left, that causes the cars to "turn"...additionally they run very low air pressures they are like a giant balloon. When he impacts the other driver the drivers body actually caused the right tire to basically stop spinning while the left tire still had traction...in my opinion that is why you see his car veer to the right. It is because of the impact not proof that he was trying to impact him.

The other thing I dont understand is I keep reading stuff about Stewart being a hot head. And granted he certainly is/was, I add was because we havent seen much of his hot head stuff in several year. That said, he didnt wreck here, his car was fine and he was in competition after the incident...I just dont see why hee would be in a pissed off mind set to begin with.

Galaxy · 08-10-2014, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan S

I think that one of the problems for an observer is understanding exactly how these cars are driven.

From what I can gather these cars are pretty much steered with the throttle on a low grip surface. Hitting the brakes might have just sent the entire body of the car into the other driver.

Sprint cars don't move or react like a regular car or even a stock car.

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Originally Posted by path12

Stupid to get out of the car but how is that not at least manslaughter? Amazes me how many people just blame the dead guy. Tony Stewart has been racing sprint cars most of his life.

I don't see how this pass. I'm sure the track has waivers and such that you sign that state, "Do not get out of your car until track personel come to your car."

digamma · 08-10-2014, 12:03 PM

Anyone know how big this track was? Would there typically be spotters at a track like this?

Scoobz0202 · 08-10-2014, 12:10 PM

I doubt there were spotters. I don't think many dirt sprint car races have them

Dutch · 08-10-2014, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

Anyone know how big this track was? Would there typically be spotters at a track like this?

Trying to think back to the dirt track near my house, it has one guy in a grandstand over the start/finish line that waves the flags and controls the action, 2 or 4 flag wavers at the corners, and a maintenance crew that hangs out in the infield. I'm pretty sure all the team's people are in the garage or just chillin' and watching, not sure they help out otherwise...but I've been wrong before!

JonInMiddleGA · 08-10-2014, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

Anyone know how big this track was? Would there typically be spotters at a track like this?

I'd be borderline shocked if there were. It's only a 1/8th mile track.

Matthean · 08-10-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Have to agree the the deceased party put himself in harms way and its hard to fault Stewart fully for what happened. One of the things Ive heard/read over and over is that "intent was clear because you can see Tony's car veer up the track as he tried to run over him"...

The most critical response I have seen towards Tony is written by a friend of Ward's so...

Solecismic · 08-10-2014, 01:19 PM

It looks like he tried to avoid him. Those cars slide, and the rear axle is the live axle. The driver is sitting far back in the car. They're not very big, but since you're so far back, the dead axle is in front, and you don't get great traction at any time, the only way you can maneuver around something is to hit the gas and slide. It's going to spin a lot like a rear-wheel drive car on the snow - only much, much more.

Since Stewart would be an expert at controlling the skid, I think he hoped he would skid around the kid. But anything other than what he tried to do would have meant complete loss of mobility, causing another accident. Which probably would have hurt/killed the kid anyway.

BishopMVP · 08-10-2014, 01:23 PM

After seeing the video it definitely does sound like Twitter exaggerated whether you can tell how intentional it was. I definitely do think it's a situation where Stewart's history works against him - I'd be much more inclined to assume the driver was just trying to get out of the way if it wasn't the driver with the longest list of on-track incidents where he lost his temper.

I completely believe Stewart didn't want to hit the guy, but did he try to put a scare into him, or did his temper get the best if him for a split second or two so that when he did swerve to avoid him it was too late?

PilotMan · 08-10-2014, 01:29 PM

He clearly guns the engine right before he gets to Ward. I seriously doubt that he intended to hit him but he clearly intended something. It was a caution flag, I'm not sure why you need to gun it as you are going by the guy otherwise.

cougarfreak · 08-10-2014, 02:17 PM

Looked to me like the car in front of him blocked his view. That car could see Ward, Stewart could not until it was too late.

Lathum · 08-10-2014, 02:18 PM

Stewart wouldn't have even known the kid was on the track until he came around the corner. He literally had a fraction of a second, no one is going to tell me in that time frame he did anything other that react.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-10-2014, 02:22 PM

I'll say this much: credit to FOFC for having a reasonable "what happened" discussion. I've definitely come across one or two sensationalizing rank morons on social media today.

PilotMan · 08-10-2014, 02:23 PM

I really find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have had someone with a radio talking to him. I mean, I don't know at all, he might not have but it would seem logical that he would have though.

It would be very hard to convince a jury I think and very costly to prosecute. Still you have to think that Tony knows and that's a lot to bear. I have to think that fan's are going to react to this pretty aggressively as well. Maybe sponsors too?

Lathum · 08-10-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

I really find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have had someone with a radio talking to him. I mean, I don't know at all, he might not have but it would seem logical that he would have though.

You are acting too much like this is professional racing. Its like comparing a high school race to an NBA game. Very doubtful Stewart had a radio hooked in.

ISiddiqui · 08-10-2014, 02:56 PM

I'll echo others - watching it, I don't see what Stewart could have done. It seemed as if the car shift to the right as Stewart was trying to accelerate away. It's a horrible shame, but its not Stewart's fault.

nol · 08-10-2014, 03:17 PM

No matter if it was intentional or not, they better not use this to try to make tougher car laws out of this.

Just because a car was used to accidentally kill this person shouldn't ruin it for all the other Americans who use cars responsibly. You can kill somebody by punching them too! If Obama tries to tell me I have to register my car or sign up for mandatory car insurance it's going to be over my cold, dead body.

08-10-2014, 01:39 AM	#3
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08-10-2014, 02:56 AM	#8
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08-10-2014, 04:34 AM	#9
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08-10-2014, 04:38 AM	#10
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	I can't see how charges could be filed when the dude got out of his car and then ran into traffic, pointing at someone like he's pissed. Maybe there's more video than what I saw that shows something different, but, I can't see what Stewart did wrong. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

08-10-2014, 06:03 AM	#13
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08-10-2014, 01:35 AM	#2
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Video of the incident. Not for the squeamish. Tony Stewart Hits Driver at Canandaigua Motorsports Park 8/9/14 - YouTube

08-10-2014, 01:43 AM	#4
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I doubt they can prove intent based on that video

08-10-2014, 02:07 AM	#6
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Sheriff reporting the individual was dead on arrival at the hospital.

08-10-2014, 02:18 AM	#7
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Video was removed. If you still have the morbid curiosity, Deadspin has it up. Video: Tony Stewart Runs Over Driver Confronting Him On Foot [UPDATE]

08-10-2014, 04:42 AM	#11
frnk55 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2006	Holy shit. Getting out of the car is whats going to save Tony on this.

08-10-2014, 05:58 AM	#12
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I think it's going to be interesting to see how the reaction to this breaks down between racing fans and non fans.

08-10-2014, 06:06 AM	#14
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Ware shouldn't have gotten out of his car and weaved his way into traffic. It is obviously a tragedy but one that could have been easily prevented. If someone wrecked you on the freeway and their car ended up in the opposite side of the road would you dance through traffic to point and yell at them? We will never know Stewarts intent but i doubt he hit him on purpose. Ware did something very immature and stupid and it unfortunately cost him his life.

08-10-2014, 06:08 AM	#16
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Dola. When will he learn nothing good can come from him screwing around on these small dirt tracks.

08-10-2014, 06:17 AM	#17
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	That Ward dude was an idiot. From what I can see, Stewart didn't even hit his car, the dude just slid into the wall.. Then he gets out and basically runs right in front of the car? What the fuck. I don't even give a damn about NASCAR, but I don't think anything can be said as far as Stewart intentionally hitting the guy. The guy intentionally hit him, with his body. I'm kind of amazed at the level of damage done to the dude, but I am confused on a level I rarely achieve as to why a guy would decide to run directly into traffic at a race, no matter the circumstances. Not saying he deserved to die by any means, but wow.. Incredibly stupid. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

08-10-2014, 06:41 AM	#20
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	There is a slow-motion video of it. Sort of looks like he tries to avoid him and the back end clips him. Tony Stewart Hits Sprint Car Driver Kevin Ward Jr (SLOW MOTION) - YouTube

08-10-2014, 08:56 AM	#25
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	In any event, crazy shit to see a high profile race driver get caught up in something like this.

08-10-2014, 09:37 AM	#26
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Stupid to get out of the car but how is that not at least manslaughter? Amazes me how many people just blame the dead guy. Tony Stewart has been racing sprint cars most of his life. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-10-2014, 09:42 AM	#27
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	After watching that video, it's amazing to me how anyone could blame Stewart. __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 08-10-2014 at 09:42 AM.

08-10-2014, 09:50 AM	#28
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Ridiculous that anyone blames Stewart. You don't want to die, don't walk in front of moving cars on a dirt track (or any track for that matter).

08-10-2014, 10:01 AM	#29
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	It sucks this guy died the way he did but he should have never gotten out of the car. I don't see this as a criminal issue but it could be a negligence issue. If it is a negligence issue the fact that the guy stepped out into oncoming traffic may limit or bar recovery. __________________ Living in an Oligarchy. Last edited by Noop : 08-10-2014 at 10:01 AM.

08-10-2014, 10:05 AM	#30
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I've seen guys get out of the car to throw a helmet or yell but I've never seen a guy intentionally get that close to the action. It looked like he was trying to get in front of the car to stop it or something. Unfortunate accident but that's a Darwin Award winner if I ever saw one.

08-10-2014, 10:31 AM	#32
Sweed College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	Well I guess we can all speculate until the cows come home but honestly I have to lay the blame on the guy that got out of the car. So my speculation, which is as good as anyone's, from seeing the video on deadspin that shows the car hit the wall, ... Guy hits wall entering the turn. Used to go to a lot of dirt track races years ago and I am not seeing anything to get worked up about here it's a race, shit happens. Gets out of car and enters traffic in a dark racing suit(stupid if its a white suit with reflective tape). Remember this comes on a spot that is entering a turn, in the dark. The car ahead of Stewart sees the driver and avoids him. It approaches the driver at the 33 second mark and is just passing him at 34 seconds. At 35 seconds Stewart enters the frame and the driver is hit and down before the clock turns to 36 seconds. I wonder if the car ahead of Stewart obstructed his view coming around the corner? A second of obstructed view could reduce his reaction time to almost nothing. I think about the blind spots in my car from the roof supports that are 3-4" wide and the number of times over 40 years of driving that I have been amazed at what can "hide" there. Where is the car ahead of him in relation to his line of sight towards the idiot on the track? Stewart had a car ahead of him going into a turn, in the dark, towards a driver in a dark suit that he had no reason to believe would be there. It's his fault? I would say he was as surprised as ALL of the drivers ahead of him that saw an idiot out on the track. It could be that he just happened to be in a place where his view was obstructed for a second and that second made a difference. I just don't see how any charges come from this. Out of court settlement? Yeah but only because it will be the cheapest way for it to be resolved.

08-10-2014, 10:34 AM	#33
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	It's a horrible tragedy, but I'm in the "what was Ward thinking" camp. He's got a dark suit on and goes out into the middle of the track. It's not clear on the video, but it could be argued Stewart tried to swerve. Stewart has a long standing rep as an asshole, but to intentionally run over a kid? __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League Last edited by ColtCrazy : 08-10-2014 at 10:36 AM.

08-10-2014, 10:37 AM	#34
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Man I've been reading on this most of the morning never expected it to make a splash on FOFC...this site never ceases to amaze me. Have to agree the the deceased party put himself in harms way and its hard to fault Stewart fully for what happened. One of the things Ive heard/read over and over is that "intent was clear because you can see Tony's car veer up the track as he tried to run over him"... This explanation is a bit macabre but I think its being missed by some. These cars run an open differential rear end, that is intentionally loose that allows one tire to spin faster than the other and the right tire is much larger than the left, that causes the cars to "turn"...additionally they run very low air pressures they are like a giant balloon. When he impacts the other driver the drivers body actually caused the right tire to basically stop spinning while the left tire still had traction...in my opinion that is why you see his car veer to the right. It is because of the impact not proof that he was trying to impact him. The other thing I dont understand is I keep reading stuff about Stewart being a hot head. And granted he certainly is/was, I add was because we havent seen much of his hot head stuff in several year. That said, he didnt wreck here, his car was fine and he was in competition after the incident...I just dont see why hee would be in a pissed off mind set to begin with.

08-10-2014, 12:03 PM	#36
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Anyone know how big this track was? Would there typically be spotters at a track like this?

08-10-2014, 12:10 PM	#37
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	I doubt there were spotters. I don't think many dirt sprint car races have them

08-10-2014, 01:19 PM	#41
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	It looks like he tried to avoid him. Those cars slide, and the rear axle is the live axle. The driver is sitting far back in the car. They're not very big, but since you're so far back, the dead axle is in front, and you don't get great traction at any time, the only way you can maneuver around something is to hit the gas and slide. It's going to spin a lot like a rear-wheel drive car on the snow - only much, much more. Since Stewart would be an expert at controlling the skid, I think he hoped he would skid around the kid. But anything other than what he tried to do would have meant complete loss of mobility, causing another accident. Which probably would have hurt/killed the kid anyway.

08-10-2014, 01:23 PM	#42
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	After seeing the video it definitely does sound like Twitter exaggerated whether you can tell how intentional it was. I definitely do think it's a situation where Stewart's history works against him - I'd be much more inclined to assume the driver was just trying to get out of the way if it wasn't the driver with the longest list of on-track incidents where he lost his temper. I completely believe Stewart didn't want to hit the guy, but did he try to put a scare into him, or did his temper get the best if him for a split second or two so that when he did swerve to avoid him it was too late?

08-10-2014, 01:29 PM	#43
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	He clearly guns the engine right before he gets to Ward. I seriously doubt that he intended to hit him but he clearly intended something. It was a caution flag, I'm not sure why you need to gun it as you are going by the guy otherwise. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

08-10-2014, 02:17 PM	#44
cougarfreak College Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)	Looked to me like the car in front of him blocked his view. That car could see Ward, Stewart could not until it was too late. __________________ “I don’t like the Cubs,” Joey Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back."

08-10-2014, 02:18 PM	#45
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Stewart wouldn't have even known the kid was on the track until he came around the corner. He literally had a fraction of a second, no one is going to tell me in that time frame he did anything other that react.

08-10-2014, 02:22 PM	#46
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I'll say this much: credit to FOFC for having a reasonable "what happened" discussion. I've definitely come across one or two sensationalizing rank morons on social media today. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

08-10-2014, 02:23 PM	#47
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	I really find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have had someone with a radio talking to him. I mean, I don't know at all, he might not have but it would seem logical that he would have though. It would be very hard to convince a jury I think and very costly to prosecute. Still you have to think that Tony knows and that's a lot to bear. I have to think that fan's are going to react to this pretty aggressively as well. Maybe sponsors too? __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

08-10-2014, 02:56 PM	#49
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I'll echo others - watching it, I don't see what Stewart could have done. It seemed as if the car shift to the right as Stewart was trying to accelerate away. It's a horrible shame, but its not Stewart's fault. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

08-10-2014, 03:17 PM	#50
nol Banned Join Date: Oct 2003	No matter if it was intentional or not, they better not use this to try to make tougher car laws out of this. Just because a car was used to accidentally kill this person shouldn't ruin it for all the other Americans who use cars responsibly. You can kill somebody by punching them too! If Obama tries to tell me I have to register my car or sign up for mandatory car insurance it's going to be over my cold, dead body.