President of Spokane NAACP Misrepresenting her Race?

[CraigSca]

Is Rachel Dolezal, head of Spokane NAACP, white? - CNN.com

Interesting.

[digamma]

I've always said that racial preference is a choice.

[Ben E Lou]

Last 50-55 seconds of this interview:

Raw interview with Rachel Dolezal | Spokane - KXLY.com

[Ben E Lou]

Ok. Better link. Start at 7:52.

[bhlloy]

I don't want to seem insensitive or make light of any of the issues involved - but that's clearly a white person with too much fake tan right? How did nobody notice this before?

[JonInMiddleGA]

WaPo seems to have just about dotted all the i's on this one

‘Are you an African American?’ Why an NAACP official isn’t saying. - The Washington Post

[Ben E Lou]

The #AskRachel hashtag has been pretty awesome. Two of my faves...

early childhood photos of #RachelDolezal found pic.twitter.com/6MNiUn8ltb

— Ofay Mayo (@blunted215) June 12, 2015

How many books is this? #AskRachel pic.twitter.com/MF2Vsjwxvq

— PyramidWorker #1 (@PhlyyPhree) June 12, 2015

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

WaPo seems to have just about dotted all the i's on this one

‘Are you an African American?’ Why an NAACP official isn’t saying. - The Washington Post

Joking aside, I'd say it's fully possible that this chick was in so deep that she actually believed she was black.

Interesting article about her hair (and the lecture she once gave on black hair.)

Rachel Dolezal Definitely Nailed The Hair, I'll Give Her That

[Logan]

Serious question that I'm scared to Google at work...are "white" people born in South Africa, who now live here, or have family from there, considered African American?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Logan

Serious question that I'm scared to Google at work...are "white" people born in South Africa, who now live here, or have family from there, considered African American?

Hehehehe. It might not be easy to find, but somewhere out there is a recorded interview or something with an overly PC person who was trying to make some sort of contrast between black and white South Africans, and somewhere in there she said something along the lines of "white South Africans versus African-American South Africans."

[Edward64]

FWIW, I had a co-worker that was blonde, looked white etc. but actually a natural daughter from a black family. She explained it as some funny gene way back when.

That's obviously not the case here.

[Jukeman]

Its not out of the norm for a "black" family to have a "white" child.

[stevew]

99% sure I know her brother from college. I think he was pretty cool.


Edit-nobody would say he's anything other than white

[finkenst]

if Bruce-caitlin Jenner can choose to be a women, why can't she choose to be Black?

Or, is the NAACP so racist that they can't have any white people in leadership?

[Suicane75]

And why can't I have someone book me into a kennel? I'm a dog, a damn dog.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I don't want to seem insensitive or make light of any of the issues involved - but that's clearly a white person with too much fake tan right? How did nobody notice this before?

Spokane isn't exactly teeming with black folks.

[nol]

Originally Posted by finkenst

if Bruce-caitlin Jenner can choose to be a women, why can't she choose to be Black?

Or, is the NAACP so racist that they can't have any white people in leadership?

Do a little reading and you'll see that the weirdness of this story is not coming from her position in the NAACP or as an African studies professor, but the lengths to which she has gone to create some alternate history for herself.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by finkenst

if Bruce-caitlin Jenner can choose to be a women, why can't she choose to be Black?

Or, is the NAACP so racist that they can't have any white people in leadership?

Race isn't gender. Just like apples aren't tomatoes. Just like the moon isn't lollipops. Just like you aren't informed.

— BGD (@BlackGirlDanger) June 12, 2015

Because these white people and DuBois founded the NAACP. The NAACP has white members. Its okay to just join. pic.twitter.com/4VqsiKMisY

— Blair LM Kelley (@profblmkelley) June 12, 2015

things transracial actually means: -an adoption across racial groups -that's it -pretty much

— merritt death kill (@merrittkopas) June 12, 2015

[Jukeman]

How can NCAAP be racist when its ran and funded by "whites"?


Also "black" is not a race nor is "African American"

[Young Drachma]

Oh FOFC.

[cartman]

NAACP Statement on Rachel Dolezal | Press Room | NAACP

For 106 years, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has held a long and proud tradition of receiving support from people of all faiths, races, colors and creeds. NAACP Spokane Washington Branch President Rachel Dolezal is enduring a legal issue with her family, and we respect her privacy in this matter. One’s racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership. The NAACP Alaska-Oregon-Washington State Conference stands behind Ms. Dolezal’s advocacy record. In every corner of this country, the NAACP remains committed to securing political, educational, and economic justice for all people, and we encourage Americans of all stripes to become members and serve as leaders in our organization.

You know what they say about assumptions...

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by finkenst

if Bruce-caitlin Jenner can choose to be a women, why can't she choose to be Black?

Or, is the NAACP so racist that they can't have any white people in leadership?

Black Democrats are like...."oooookay, Caitlin's enough cracker liberalism support for one day..."

[molson]

How did this become a huge news story? Is this just her parents trying to shame her back to caucasian-town and the local and national media cooperating?

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by molson

How did this become a huge news story? Is this just her parents trying to shame her back to caucasian-town and the local and national media cooperating?

The parents actually have adopted 4 black kids...so I wouldn't rush to "Oh they white? Oh they racist" judgment. I mean, you should, it's popular, but if you want to live on the edge and in reality, you maybe shouldn't.

[Edward64]

There's probably a story why she did this and for so long.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Edward64

There's probably a story why she did this and for so long.

Yeah, and it appears to be another very public failure of our mental health system.

Race is secondary to this afaic. This is into "tell a lie long enough & you can convince yourself it's true" territory.

Or, you know, is it?

I mean, she seems to have been conscious of reality & truth enough to concoct a phony parental story complete with pics to enhance her fraud. And conscious enough of reality to try to make sure her siblings didn't mention her actual parents anywhere.

The issue that the NAACP has to deal with here isn't a matter of race in leadership, it's whether they're willing to run out a discredited & pretty much caught out habitual liar once they've learned the truth.

How they respond here ultimately reflects on the organization far more than whether they were fooled.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Hehehehe. It might not be easy to find, but somewhere out there is a recorded interview or something with an overly PC person who was trying to make some sort of contrast between black and white South Africans, and somewhere in there she said something along the lines of "white South Africans versus African-American South Africans."

Reminds me of my first roommate in college. I certainly understand the whole context of "black" v. "African-American," but I was relieved to find out that he was from Barbados, so I could save 6 syllables if ever I needed to refer to his race (when would that have been? ).

[molson]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The parents actually have adopted 4 black kids...so I wouldn't rush to "Oh they white? Oh they racist" judgment. I mean, you should, it's popular, but if you want to live on the edge and in reality, you maybe shouldn't.

That's why I asked. If the NAACP doesn't have a problem with this why is it on CNN? Who is calling her out? The CNN article is all about the parents sharing birth certificates and other proof with the media. That doesn't make them racist, but they do seem to have a problem with it - and they want everyone to know about it.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Edward64

There's probably a story why she did this and for so long.

White Americans fully embracing other cultures is definitely a thing, it just doesn't usually go this far. But I've heard of a few instances of white Americans getting so wrapped up in Japanese culture that they basically present themselves to others as Japanese. It probably has something to do with how white American "culture" is a default and doesn't really exist as a distinct thing. So it can be appealing to feel like you're part of something more special and distinct, something worth valuing. (You can't really be proud to be white, and even being proud to be an American has connotations with a conservative militaristic American sub-group that you might not really associate yourself with, or in other words, its not cool to be proud you're American.) We've made up all these sub-cultures like southerners, liberals, fans of sports teams, or tried to re-connect with cultures of European ancestors, but it's not quite the same.

[stevew]

The Easterner : A Life to be Heard

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by molson

That's why I asked. If the NAACP doesn't have a problem with this why is it on CNN? Who is calling her out? The CNN article is all about the parents sharing birth certificates and other proof with the media. That doesn't make them racist, but they do seem to have a problem with it - and they want everyone to know about it.

The context of the story seems to be questions that were raised about unsubstantiated (bordering on debunked given her lack of credibility at this point) claims about "hate crimes".

Now you can add potentially false swearing (in her attempts to be added to various local governmental advisory boards).

She's skirting the edge of criminal charges here, at some point that becomes news.

All of this stuff predates her family speaking up, it seems to have been what prompted it in the first place.

[stevew]

Yeah, reading some links off that first page. Seems to be a target for hate crime

[RainMaker]

Weird story. I do have to say that if you had told me she was black, I wouldn't have thought twice.

[stevew]

for the rest of my life - YouTube

[nol]

Originally Posted by molson

That's why I asked. If the NAACP doesn't have a problem with this why is it on CNN? Who is calling her out? The CNN article is all about the parents sharing birth certificates and other proof with the media. That doesn't make them racist, but they do seem to have a problem with it - and they want everyone to know about it.

As far as her personally, it's mostly people making jokes along the lines of "okay the hair stuff was pretty convincing, but there could have been other ways to tell she was faking it." My personal favorite was "You just know she was some person's black friend and now they're panicking."

Beyond that, it's just the whole NAACP factor where certain people like to imagine the organization as some sacred meeting of the best and brightest black leaders (rather than something like a local PTA or Relay for Life where any random person can join and participate as much as he/she desires) so that any failings can be projected onto whatever one thinks is wrong with 'the black community' as a whole.

Take the Donald Sterling thing last year: before he doubled down on his remarks, there was a pretty sizable contingent of "Oh yeah, well if Donald Sterling's a racist, how come he got an award from the NAACP then?!"

[Schmidty]

All I know is that I just woke up.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

All I know is that I just woke up.

You haven't missed much.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

You haven't missed much.

K

Night.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

How many books is this? #AskRachel pic.twitter.com/MF2Vsjwxvq

— PyramidWorker #1 (@PhlyyPhree) June 12, 2015

Oh it's Spades. We always called them tricks. (I was like, "literal books? Books of the Bible? What "books" are we talking, here?")

[Radii]

My annoyance level with things in that image from lowest to highest:

-- I don't remember playing spades with jokers, do others do that?

-- How could you not have each suit sorted in descending order? The spades NEED to be sorted AQJ82 in his hand.

-- HOW CAN YOU PUT THE TWO RED SUITS NEXT TO EACH OTHER OH MY GOD. Black/Red/Black/Red! Seeing that physically pains me. I need to find this guy and teach him how to sort his hand.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Radii

My annoyance level with things in that image from lowest to highest:

-- I don't remember playing spades with jokers, do others do that?

-- How could you not have each suit sorted in descending order? The spades NEED to be sorted AQJ82 in his hand.

-- HOW CAN YOU PUT THE TWO RED SUITS NEXT TO EACH OTHER OH MY GOD. Black/Red/Black/Red! Seeing that physically pains me. I need to find this guy and teach him how to sort his hand.

The 2 of Spades may be the 3rd highest trump card, pending on which rules they're playing by.

But yeah the colors should be alternated.

[Grover]

[Desnudo]

Gee, hmm hard to figure out...I think the better question that no idiot at CNN seems to have thought of is why does anyone care if a white person is running a NAACP chapter?

[CraigSca]

I think what propagated this was her checking "african american" on a city application to serve on a commission. Pair that with the fact that she's been reporting being a victim of hate crimes through the years, including a packet of mail that she received at her NAACP PO Box (with no postmark) and you have people start scratching their chin.

I guess you can ask Dolezal what she thinks about a white person running an NAACP chapter. Based on her changing appearance, I'm not sure she would be fine with it.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Gee, hmm hard to figure out...I think the better question that no idiot at CNN seems to have thought of is why does anyone care if a white person is running a NAACP chapter?

As has been stated several times now in this thread, that's not the point of interest in this story. I don't see anyone protesting the fact that NAACP is supporting her. No, amongst other things, this women posted a picture of a old black man on Facebook with the caption that her father was visiting. That's an amusing read.

It's not a story because she's white, it's entertaining because of the batshit crazy things she did to propagate the perception of her being black.

I really see people reading this and chuckling, there doesn't seem to be much outrage.

[stevew]

Rachel Dolezal: Parents Outed Her Because Of Brother’s Sex Charge | News One

I def knew the dude at center of this. Seems kinda weird

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Grover

Okay, you owe me a keyboard

[Dutch]

Haha

[Grover]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Okay, you owe me a keyboard

Hahah! It was trending on Imgur and I could not resist.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Oh it's Spades. We always called them tricks. (I was like, "literal books? Books of the Bible? What "books" are we talking, here?")

Originally Posted by Radii

My annoyance level with things in that image from lowest to highest:

-- I don't remember playing spades with jokers, do others do that?

-- How could you not have each suit sorted in descending order? The spades NEED to be sorted AQJ82 in his hand.

-- HOW CAN YOU PUT THE TWO RED SUITS NEXT TO EACH OTHER OH MY GOD. Black/Red/Black/Red! Seeing that physically pains me. I need to find this guy and teach him how to sort his hand.

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

The 2 of Spades may be the 3rd highest trump card, pending on which rules they're playing by.

But yeah the colors should be alternated.

in order asked...

1. Everywhere I've played spades, in all/predominately black settings, they're called "books," but in all/predominately white settings, they're called "tricks." One exception: white high school athletes who learned spades from black guys tended to call them "books."

2. Using the jokers is also mostly a black thing.

3. In mostly black settings, the order is High Joker, Low Joker, Deuce of Diamonds, Deuce Of Spades, Ace of Spades, King, etc. (Sometimes the deuces are reversed in order.)

4. I agree on the black/red/black/red sorting. i don't know what 'hood that pic is from, but that foolishness would have been unacceptable in East Urban Heights.