Rate my sell

Alf · 05-26-2003, 04:11 PM

OK, I was trying to clean up my squad and decided to put Olvier Astoul on sell. He usually manages to get 2.5 stars while playing inner midfield for me.

Olivier Astoul - 24 years old (just edited)
passable form
excellent stamina (was part of my stamina training program when I arrived at the club)
passable playmaking (just poped Friday)
weak passing & scoring + poor everything else

He sold for 51 000 € (same as $)

What do you think about the price ?

1 - Too high. I got a steal
2 - Expected
3 - Too low. You could have made more (which would be good news since I have 2 similar players)

FrogMan · 05-26-2003, 04:25 PM

Not knowing how old he is and what his other skils are, I'd say you got pretty much what is expected at this time of the season.

2 and 3 weeks ago, I sold two very similar players (18yo, passable playmaking, solid/excellent stamina), one for 75k and the other for 105k (WOOHOO!!). However, it looks like the market is softening up a little as I had another of my passable playamker (only passable stamina though) go without a bid and I started him only at 47,500. That was just this afternoon...

I'd say that at 51k, you got a not bad/not good deal, just about what you'd expect...

FM

Alf · 05-26-2003, 04:26 PM

dola - he is 24 (going back to edit first post)

FrogMan · 05-26-2003, 04:34 PM

then I'd say that for a 24yo, you got close to a steal. That's comparing it to my sales I've made lately...

FM

BishopMVP · 05-26-2003, 04:52 PM

Just looking at his stats you got a steal, but the fact he puts up **~ at Inner Mid means it wasn't a steal.

daedalus · 05-26-2003, 04:56 PM

I'd say you got a steal.

Masked · 05-26-2003, 05:35 PM

I would say a bit of a steal, but only because we know he just popped in playmaking. I would have expected 30-40K.

edit: Maybe I over-estimated Astoul's value. I just bought a 17yo pass PM (poor stamina, inad def) for 37K. You got a great price for your guy.

vex · 05-26-2003, 11:19 PM

I can usually get an 18 year old for that price, so I'd say it was a steal.

Alf · 05-27-2003, 02:08 AM

Thanks. Looking to get a young trainable playmaker with that money now.

FrogMan · 05-27-2003, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alf
Thanks. Looking to get a young trainable playmaker with that money now.

Hey, I got a 19yo passable playmaker/passable stamina dude up for sale on the Canadian market! Only 25,000 Euros too!!!

FM

Bee · 05-27-2003, 08:49 AM

At 24 years old I think you got more than he was worth... (I wonder if I bought him...

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Alf · 05-27-2003, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FrogMan
Hey, I got a 19yo passable playmaker/passable stamina dude up for sale on the Canadian market! Only 25,000 Euros too!!!
FM

19yo - not trainable material at only passable

I already have 2 18 passable playmakers

vex · 05-27-2003, 11:33 AM

I have 3 18 yo passable playmakers, 1 at inad who will bump next week (also has passable passing and inad defense) and a 20 yo excellent middie who is 4 weeks from formidable.

EDIT: And in the process of picking up a 17 yo passable.

FrogMan · 05-27-2003, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alf
19yo - not trainable material at only passable

I already have 2 18 passable playmakers

Alf, I know he's not really trainable, but other newbies don't.

I honestly didn't expect anybody around here to jump on him, as we have a pretty good bunch of HT owners

Good luck!

FM

Alf · 05-28-2003, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vexroid
I have 3 18 yo passable playmakers, 1 at inad who will bump next week (also has passable passing and inad defense) and a 20 yo excellent middie who is 4 weeks from formidable.

EDIT: And in the process of picking up a 17 yo passable.

vex : I saw your 17 yo target

Bee · 05-28-2003, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FrogMan
Alf, I know he's not really trainable, but other newbies don't.

I honestly didn't expect anybody around here to jump on him, as we have a pretty good bunch of HT owners

Good luck!

FM

(start newbie question)

Why isn't a 19 y.o. not trainable?

(/end newbie question)

FrogMan · 05-28-2003, 11:58 AM

a 17 y.o will take 7 weeks to pop from a level to another (say passable to solid) with 8 assistants, training set at 100%, and a solid coach.

Then it's one extra week per extra year over 17, and an extra week per level under solid for your coach. Take a 19yo (still with a solid coach) and it will take him 9 weeks to pop.

Take a 17 y.o that just popped to passable compared to a 19yo who just popped to passable. The 17 yo could be formidable by the end of next season, and he would only be 18 then. The 19yo would still be halfway between excellent and formidable and then would be 20 by that time... It's not that he's not trainable for hte short term, but he's not the kind of dude you want to pay the price I'm asking for for your long term training program.

I bought a whole bunch of 19yo inadequate at the beginning of the season, because they were really cheap (talking no more than 6-8k U$) and I had no money. I trained most of them to passable with two weeks of stamina training and I'm now selling them for about 30-40k and even sold 2 about two weeks ago for 75, and 100k... With the money I made, I've now bought 17yo passable that I will keep for the long run (think at least a season) and will train them to at least formidable playmaking before I either decided to sell them or keep them to train thema little longer... A 18yo formidable can sell for 1 or 2 million... cha-ching!!!

Hope the longwinded answer is what you were looking for

FM

Bee · 05-28-2003, 12:08 PM

Exactly what I was looking for FM. Thanks.

daedalus · 05-28-2003, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FrogMan
Hope the longwinded answer is what you were looking for

'Cuz the short version was "ribbit, ribbit. ribbit, bud-weis-er." And that's damn hard to translate.

FrogMan · 05-28-2003, 07:20 PM

daedalus, that one's got me laughing so hard right now. I'm happy I'm at home, at least I only got my wife and kid asking me if everything's alright

FM

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05-26-2003, 04:25 PM	#2
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	Not knowing how old he is and what his other skils are, I'd say you got pretty much what is expected at this time of the season. 2 and 3 weeks ago, I sold two very similar players (18yo, passable playmaking, solid/excellent stamina), one for 75k and the other for 105k (WOOHOO!!). However, it looks like the market is softening up a little as I had another of my passable playamker (only passable stamina though) go without a bid and I started him only at 47,500. That was just this afternoon... I'd say that at 51k, you got a not bad/not good deal, just about what you'd expect... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

05-26-2003, 04:26 PM	#3
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	dola - he is 24 (going back to edit first post) __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats

05-26-2003, 04:34 PM	#4
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	then I'd say that for a 24yo, you got close to a steal. That's comparing it to my sales I've made lately... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

05-26-2003, 05:35 PM	#7
Masked College Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bay Area	I would say a bit of a steal, but only because we know he just popped in playmaking. I would have expected 30-40K. edit: Maybe I over-estimated Astoul's value. I just bought a 17yo pass PM (poor stamina, inad def) for 37K. You got a great price for your guy. Last edited by Masked : 05-26-2003 at 07:50 PM.

05-26-2003, 04:52 PM	#5
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Just looking at his stats you got a steal, but the fact he puts up **~ at Inner Mid means it wasn't a steal.

05-26-2003, 04:56 PM	#6
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	I'd say you got a steal.

05-26-2003, 11:19 PM	#8
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	I can usually get an 18 year old for that price, so I'd say it was a steal.

05-27-2003, 02:08 AM	#9
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	Thanks. Looking to get a young trainable playmaker with that money now. __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats

05-27-2003, 08:49 AM	#11
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	At 24 years old I think you got more than he was worth... (I wonder if I bought him...)

05-27-2003, 11:33 AM	#13
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	I have 3 18 yo passable playmakers, 1 at inad who will bump next week (also has passable passing and inad defense) and a 20 yo excellent middie who is 4 weeks from formidable. EDIT: And in the process of picking up a 17 yo passable. Last edited by vex : 05-27-2003 at 11:35 AM.

05-28-2003, 11:58 AM	#17
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	a 17 y.o will take 7 weeks to pop from a level to another (say passable to solid) with 8 assistants, training set at 100%, and a solid coach. Then it's one extra week per extra year over 17, and an extra week per level under solid for your coach. Take a 19yo (still with a solid coach) and it will take him 9 weeks to pop. Take a 17 y.o that just popped to passable compared to a 19yo who just popped to passable. The 17 yo could be formidable by the end of next season, and he would only be 18 then. The 19yo would still be halfway between excellent and formidable and then would be 20 by that time... It's not that he's not trainable for hte short term, but he's not the kind of dude you want to pay the price I'm asking for for your long term training program. I bought a whole bunch of 19yo inadequate at the beginning of the season, because they were really cheap (talking no more than 6-8k U$) and I had no money. I trained most of them to passable with two weeks of stamina training and I'm now selling them for about 30-40k and even sold 2 about two weeks ago for 75, and 100k... With the money I made, I've now bought 17yo passable that I will keep for the long run (think at least a season) and will train them to at least formidable playmaking before I either decided to sell them or keep them to train thema little longer... A 18yo formidable can sell for 1 or 2 million... cha-ching!!! Hope the longwinded answer is what you were looking for FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

05-28-2003, 12:08 PM	#18
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Exactly what I was looking for FM. Thanks.

05-28-2003, 07:20 PM	#20
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	daedalus, that one's got me laughing so hard right now. I'm happy I'm at home, at least I only got my wife and kid asking me if everything's alright FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

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