big news regarding coaches

[cthomer5000]

originally posted on hattrick.org
2003-06-02 Upcoming change
We hereby announce that in a month or two there will be a change to how you change coach for your team. The new system will, among many changes, introduce fixed prices for each skill levels of a coach, instead of the current random based system. The new system may be slightly more expensive on average, but offer some other advantages, besides the predictability. More details about the new system will be released later (please do NOT write and ask -we'll inform here when we deem it right).

In my opinion, this probably is one of the most needed changes in the games, and certainly is closer to reality than the random coach selection. On the other hand, this could make it even harder for teams to climb the ladder, right? Maybe that's more realistic too though....

anyone else have thoughts?

[Bee]

Without more detail it's hard to say if the change is for the good, but I do think a system based on pricing vs randomness is more realistic.

[Poli]

Solid coaches will most likely be harder to come by. Start your solid coach search now .

[KevinNU7]

I wonder if somone could buy a solid coach from you if you wanted to sell him. That could make things interesting.

[Havok]

thank god i'll be changing my coach this week

[Rich1033]

That will be a welcome change. Im probably going to change coaches this week anyways. However now I will just have to sacrifice 4 virgins to the hattrick gods instead of 2.

[Vince]

Really makes me contemplate trying for that solid coach now...I've got a Passable defensive coach, but my TS is furious, and who knows how difficult it will be to get a solid coach once the change is made. With the demand for them now, I'd assume it would be ridiculously hard to get one.

[Rich1033]

Vince- Good luck. I just spent $110,000 trying for a new coach and the highest I found was one inadequate on my final try.

[bbor]

Originally posted by Rich1033
Vince- Good luck. I just spent $110,000 trying for a new coach and the highest I found was one inadequate on my final try.

Wow!

That sucks horribly

[Doug5984]

I am about to get $100k for a defender; and this really makes me think if i should try to get a solid coach now. Right now I have a passable / defensive but if it is going to be very hard and expensive to get a new one in a month or so maybe I should start trying to get one now also since my TS irritated so a new coach would help that also. . . . what to do what to do

[sterlingice]

I don't really like my coach with a pissy attitude and bad leadership but he's solid and all out so I'm not at all changing him now.

SI

[NAIWF]

I made a coaching change last night, and naturally the Hat Trick regime decide to make this announcement today. The gaming crew really don't like me, buncha bastards! Looks like I'll be sticking with him because I don't feel like going into debt with just the HOPE of getting a solid coach when I'm sure I can pay through the nose for one in a season or two. As it is I've already pissed away $120,000 looking for that coach.

[cthomer5000]

1. I assume hattrick will give us more information before actually making the changes, so I don't know if everyone should be in a panic to get a new coach today.

2. I would think they will implement some sort of tiered pricing system for coaches, maybe something like this?

level 1 - solid, offensive minded
level 2 - solid, defensive minded
level 3 - passable, offensive minded
etc...

The big question becomes "how expensive will a top coach be?"

I almost wouldn't mind paying a shitload for a great coach, since I'd be guaranteed to get him. Right now the coaching situation is such a gamble that I've held off on trying for a better one - I don't know if it'll cost me 10,000 or 250,000.


3. Any thoughts on what the pricing will be on top coaches? If a super coach is going to cost a million bucks, maybe i'd change my thinking.

4. I wouldn't be too surprised if they overhaul coaches salaries, so that big-time coaches cost more than horrible ones.

[NAIWF]

Just off the top of my head, I'd say probably $300,000 - $500,000 for solids. Half of that for passables, then keep cutting down by halves again. No one in their right mind would pay for a weak, poor or lower coach anyway.

I'm thinking you're right as far as salaries go. It's fairly idiotic that a wretched and solid coach make the same amount of money while similarly ranked players do not.

As far as those of you who have looked for new coaches today, did your guy come with a picture because mine did not and I'm wondering if I'm just unlucky or not

[GoldenEagle]

Wow, I dont have the money to make a change anytime soon. I am sticking with my passable defensive coach. I dont think coaches will be allowed to be sold. It does not make any sense.

[Airhog]

I wouldnt think they would cost that much, but who knows. I actually will enjoy the change, it will keep people from MOTS every other game and just getting a crappy coach too fill in. Of course teams with big bucks would be able to do this, so it will be interesting.

[Airhog]

Dola, but it will be neat to see the randomness, people still may spend 1 mil to find that solid coach that has solid leadership and goes all out.

[NAIWF]

I agree, I don't think people will be able to list coaches for sale, but I'm fairly certain based on what they said it won't be as random and unfair as the current system where some people start with solid coaches and others try 50 times before they get one.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally posted by Airhog
I wouldnt think they would cost that much, but who knows. I actually will enjoy the change, it will keep people from MOTS every other game and just getting a crappy coach too fill in. Of course teams with big bucks would be able to do this, so it will be interesting.

The teams with the big bucks already have solid coaches.

[Ally]

I have a passable defensive...he seems to work well with my system. I think I'll hold off for awhile.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm kinda worried about this myself, notably, what happens to teams that already have that solid coach. Am I going to see this massive increase in my wages all of a sudden, thanks to my solid coach with high experience/leadership/agreeability?

That. Will not be good.

[daedalus]

I'll be in the minority on this one . . . I don't like it one bit.

As imperfect as it is, the current system allows the lowly D VI team just as good of a chance to do well as your "average" ML team. [Yes, yes, yes . . . the ML team can probably afford to hunt longer but as for the game of chance goes, they have just good of a chance.] With the new system, all it means is that the rich gets richer. If you're on the bottom, then you're SOL.

Maybe when they give us more details, SOMETHING will change my mind but, for now, I'd have to say I dislike it very much.

[Airhog]

How does a Division VI team have a good chance to do just as well as the average ML team? I dont think coaching has much to do with it. A lowly Division IV team could train divine players, but they just couldnt afford them. Thats the only difference between ML and the lower leagues, they have bigger stadiums, more supporters, and can afford higher salaries. I just dont see how the coaches factor into this.

[sterlingice]

Actually, I'm wondering what will keep MLS teams, for instance, from MotS'ing every game, firing their solid coach, and then hiring a new one.

SI

[Airhog]

Im wondering that too, It seems to me, that probably hiring a new coach in the new system would mean that you wouldnt get your TS reset, or if you did it would still be low.

[bbor]

Thank god i have a Solid/offensive coach....Although offensive with the 4-5-1 is an oxymoron

[NAIWF]

If everyone in MLS MOTS'ed every game it would all be the same in the end. The only thing I could think is that if they were to have to pay a hefty price for a new coach after every game, they might just save that money and spend it on a player.

[Ally]

offensive...that is perfect for you, bbor...it goes well with the taco smell you're always eating

[bbor]

Originally posted by Ally
offensive...that is perfect for you, bbor...it goes well with the taco smell you're always eating

Hrmm...

[BillyNYC]

The ML fire/hire thing...firing coach resets team spirit and such, so would lead to lost supporters. Also, while ML teams have funds, would get costly to drop a few 100k every week on such.

I'm guessing the hire/fire thing will be changed. I mean, since now you (seemingly?) get to handpick your coach (not sure...), you shouldn't even be ALLOWED to fire him more than once a season really.

[daedalus]

Originally posted by Airhog
How does a Division VI team have a good chance to do just as well as the average ML team? I dont think coaching has much to do with it. A lowly Division IV team could train divine players, but they just couldnt afford them. Thats the only difference between ML and the lower leagues, they have bigger stadiums, more supporters, and can afford higher salaries. I just dont see how the coaches factor into this.

Well, y'know, I was thinking my newly started team could just kick the Slasher's and Wizard's asses in the next couple of weeks if they just wouldn't change the system I love so dear!

No disrespect but no duh a D VI team isn't going to do as well as the average ML team. I'm talking about doing as well with regards to chances of catching (teehee) a good coach versus a terrible one since, y'know, this IS a thread about coaching and HOW you get coaches.

How does coaching factor? Let's use Myles' team as an example. As of now, he might get a solid on his third try [like that disgusting sterlingice person] or he could spend 200 000 and end up having to settle for an inadequate because the tax man will be a-cometh [like yours truly]. But it doesn't matter because he has a CHANCE. When the new system goes into place, he'll have zero chance because, well, he has 200 000 in the bank and he's having a tough time breaking even and that's before going crazy on auction like the rest of us. Hooray.

But, wait, that hasn't said how a coach factors yet. Well, let's say that Myles decides he wants to train playmaking and spent some of his money on trainees. With trainees in place and stadium spiffied up, he can only afford a weak coach. The 18 year old inadequate playmaking trainee he just bought will now require roughly 13 weeks to pop. In the meanwhile, TP's most recent 18 year old trainee [interestingly named "Tom Sanders, Jr"] has just popped supercalifragilisticexpialidocious in playmaking [that's 3 levels above divine but he only has inadequate stamina]. That's going to be damn near impossible for a lower level team to improve and get to competitive.

In which case, if you have a new team then you might as well just go ahead and bend over and hope for good lube. Sounds less than fun to me.

[Airhog]

Okay a weak coach would add three weeks traning time to a player, so at 17 years it would take 10 weeks to train one 11 weeks at 18 years, that is definately a loss, but its not such a big thing that you cannot overcome, besides you move up, you make more money, you buy a better coach, that being said, im holding off on buying a new coach, because what if they reset everyones coach? Until I know for sure Im not spending a penny.

[Bee]

I wonder if they will change things so that you can get a coach better than solid? Perhaps modify things a little so a solid coach is only as effective as say a weak coach now and then add in several more levels of coaching skills. Just a thought...

[NAIWF]

I hope they don't make solid coaches weaker, because it will throw off the balance of the game. As it is right now some skills only take 6 or 7 weeks to move up a whole level, meaning a 17 year old can gain 2+ levels in a season. If they make it take even less time than that you'll be seeing an insanely high number of 17/18 year old outstanding+ players within a season or 2. If they make it take longer than it does now, I'm sure a lot of people will be upset as defensiive training already takes more than half of a season.