TCY Thought....

[MylesKnight]

I'm wondering if Jim will be making an update here shortly for the '03 Season..

South Florida is entering C-USA this season and Utah State is moving to the Sun Belt Conference..

As for '04, we already know about Miami and VT being ACC Bound, but don't forget about another less publicized move, Troy State moving to the Sun Belt. This could be just the tip of the iceberg for '04, and I think we all expect to see all hell break loose in '05 as far as Conference Reaffliations are concerned.

Hopefully a TCY2 will be out by '04 but who knows.. For now, all I'm looking for is an update of USF and Utah State to their respective Conferences.

[Celeval]

After the FOF4 update, and since Jim did a schedule/conference update last season, I'm expecting a similar mini-tweak for TCY. Or hoping for, at least.

[Bee]

He is doing an update that includes conference changes (I think it will be out at the end of the month). I wouldn't expect anything major though.

I really hope he does TCY2 in '04 as well. I played around with TCY a little last night and had trouble adjusting back to the interface. That really needs adjusting IMO.

Edit: He posted in a thread not too long ago that he was updating TCY. Do a search and you can see exactly what he said, but I vaguely remember him classifying it as a minor update with fixes to the conferences and updated schedules.

[panerd]

Is he planning on resetting prestige values for the teams? I actually never updated TCY at all. I found the hardest level challenging enough for me and wasn't a big fan of not being able to see your recruit's preferences. (What was it called, fog of war?) Would I be able to add the '04 schedules without the other updates?

[Bee]

I'd guess the update would probably include the previous update as well, so my guess is you'd be stuck with what you got or a complete update.

I have no idea if he plans on adjusting the default prestige values, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

[Godzilla Blitz]

It would be really nice if the update made it so the playoff game stats did not get added into the career and season records for players. I would think that would be easy to do.

[MylesKnight]

I'm right with you on that one G.B...

How many times have I had guys lose out on Player Awards due to guys on other teams getting 1, 2, 3 even 4 extra games under their belts. I'm sure Jim is aware of this one..

[primelord]

Originally posted by Godzilla Blitz
It would be really nice if the update made it so the playoff game stats did not get added into the career and season records for players. I would think that would be easy to do.

See I don't think that should be changed. The way college football is setup now all post season games are included in the players total stats. So conferences with a championship game and teams who normally schedule extra games like Nebraska will always have more games to accumlate stats then others. And if college were to switch to a playoff system they would most likely keep it the way it is now and just lump all the stats together.

I think rather than not counting the playoff stats in the totals maybe year end awards should be more weighted towards per game averages than just total yards etc.

[MylesKnight]

That would work as well PL..

I know when I Vote for the Heisman Winner at the end of each season, I definitely take Per Game Averages into account. I also think it's important to take a look at the strategies of each team. Of course the Starting QB for Florida year in and year out with end up throwing for 4-5,000 Yards for the season, but only because they throw the ball 60-70% of the time.

[Godzilla Blitz]

Originally posted by primelord
See I don't think that should be changed. The way college football is setup now all post season games are included in the players total stats.

Agreed. But they only play one or two more games (as you also mention).

Originally posted by primelord
And if college were to switch to a playoff system they would most likely keep it the way it is now and just lump all the stats together.

I think you could make a case that if the NCAA switched to a 24-team elimination tournament (like that of TCY), they would separate the playoff stats from the regular season stats, just like in professional sports that have extended seasons.

But I don't think the real question is what the NCAA would do, but rather what makes for a better computer game. Currently, in TCY, if you use a playoff system, the better teams in the league are getting 3-4 extra games a year. Over the course of a four-year career, players on the top teams are getting 10-15 more games in their careers, basically adding a season to their totals.

The result of this is that the season-total record and career-total record screens are dominated by players who play for top teams that consistenly drive deep in the playoffs. And the result of this is that the career totals and season totals leader boards basically become meaningless for the 90% of the teams that aren't in the top ten each year.

Ideally, it would be nice to be given the choice ("Include postseason games in records?") at the beginning of a game. Then everyone could be happy.

[Leonidas]

As it stands now post season games do not count in the NCAA record book. Sure, you may see them included for stat purposed on draft day or in a school's PR guide, but the numbers they get in bowl games do not count towards official NCAA statistics. I'd guess they would do the same with playoff games. Although the numbers from conference championship games do count in official stats.

[Craptacular]

Originally posted by Leonidas
but the numbers they get in bowl games do not count towards official NCAA statistics.

I may be wrong, but didn't they recently change this?? I thought I remember hearing they were changing the policy, but not grandfathering in old bowl stats.

edit: I found the story:
Statistics policy change puts postseason in play (http://www.ncaa.org/news/2002/20020902/active/3918n02.html)

[Craptacular]

Also, Army is leaving Conference USA to become an independent after 2004.

[Wolfpack]

They did change the post-season rule this past season to include bowl games. It's part of the reason that there were an absurd number of individual team season records broken nation-wide. (Everyone except a small handful of teams playing 12 and in some cases 13 games during the regular season also had something to do with it)