Little Girls are Sluts these days

[Easy Mac]

Have you guys seen what pre-teen to teenage girls are wearing these days? I work at a movie theater (teenage haven), and these little girls are walking around in skin-tight clothing with insanes amount of make up on. They look like little whores. And they're on dates? These girls can't be older than 12, and their on dates w/o their parents. They're talking on cellphones all the time. Who the hell are you talking to, your nursery school teacher?

And don't even get me started on the highschool girls (not that I'm always complaining). If you're going to wear a black thong, don't wear white fucking pants. And why even wear a top, I can see the bottom and tops of your breasts (which are much bigger these days than even 7 years ago when I got into high school).

Do parents even give a damn anymore? If my girlfriend wore that shit in public and I wasn't around, she'd be dropped in a heartbeat.

God I hope I never have a girl.

[Easy Mac]

dola, and I was working the other night, checking theaters before we close. I walk into Charlie's Angels 2, and this girl and her boyfriend are leaving. She can't be older than 15. They were the only 2 in the theater. The girl has on a see through skirt, knee high boots and a halter top. She's walking down the isle as I walk in, and she's pulling her skirt down. Evidently she wasn't wearing underwear, because I saw a cleanly shaven girl, WTF? Grow the fuck up later, live your childhood.

[Craptacular]

Are you sure they're that young, or are you just old? It happens. :(

By the way, I agree ... where were these girls when I was that age?

[Easy Mac]

Trust me, unless all girls are under 5 foot in high school, these girls are young.

[NoMyths]

Isn't it fun repeating the same speech that the generation before you gave, and the generation before that, and the generation before that...

[Easy Mac]

I'm still technically in their generation though, its just things seemd to have changed far more rapidly amongst my generation.

[panerd]

Originally posted by NoMyths
Isn't it fun repeating the same speech that the generation before you gave, and the generation before that, and the generation before that...

Agree 100%. Look at the way that Elvis Presley jirates his hips. LOL.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
dola, and I was working the other night, checking theaters before we close. I walk into Charlie's Angels 2, and this girl and her boyfriend are leaving. She can't be older than 15. They were the only 2 in the theater. The girl has on a see through skirt, knee high boots and a halter top. She's walking down the isle as I walk in, and she's pulling her skirt down. Evidently she wasn't wearing underwear, because I saw a cleanly shaven girl, WTF? Grow the fuck up later, live your childhood.

Um, when I was 15 people were fooling around. Of course, this was before AIDS was on the radar, but I doubt much has changed.

[mckerney]

Agreed, but it's not just the pre-teen to mid-teen age, it's just more gross when they do it. It's never cool when some nasty skank is hitting on you.

What was it that the song said? 'Some girls try to hard to impress with the way that they dress, with those things on their chest and those things they suggest to me'

[Front Office Midget]

Originally posted by mckerney
What was it that the song said? 'Some girls try to hard to impress with the way that they dress, with those things on their chest and those things they suggest to me'

Someone been listening to Blink 182? I didn't think people older than 16 were supposed to do that.

ANYHOW, in a rare appearance, I decide to comment in this thread. As a resident 15-year-old high schooler on the board, I really don't see all this slutty dress. Probably because I live in rural Wisconsin, where stomach isn't even allowed to be showed at my school. Every now and then I'll notice something and be like "Does she really need to dress like that" but most girls around here are on the MORE modest side, though modesty certainly probably isn't where it should be. Still, it's not too bad here.

[sabotai]

MIDGET'S BACK...again!

Also, what Blink 182 song is that?

I find that girls who live in rural areas who are sluts tend not to dress like it. Those in suburbs and and the city do. Case in point, my sister has a few friends who are total whores and they definatly dress like it. (I live in the suburbs)

[Front Office Midget]

The song would be "The Party Song" off of Enema of the State... it's the one song off the CD I really don't like, but after singing those lyrics that were posted I recognized it.

And I probably agree with your rural/city opinion.

[Darkiller]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
Have you guys seen what pre-teen to teenage girls are wearing these days? I work at a movie theater (teenage haven), and these little girls are walking around in skin-tight clothing with insanes amount of make up on. They look like little whores. And they're on dates? These girls can't be older than 12, and their on dates w/o their parents. They're talking on cellphones all the time. Who the hell are you talking to, your nursery school teacher?

And don't even get me started on the highschool girls (not that I'm always complaining). If you're going to wear a black thong, don't wear white fucking pants. And why even wear a top, I can see the bottom and tops of your breasts (which are much bigger these days than even 7 years ago when I got into high school).

Do parents even give a damn anymore? If my girlfriend wore that shit in public and I wasn't around, she'd be dropped in a heartbeat.

God I hope I never have a girl.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
(you're so very right btw..)

[Ksyrup]

I can't wait to see what my daughter will want to wear in 10 years or so.

Lord help me...

[SirFozzie]

Hate to use a line one of my old cow-orkers said to me, but it fits.

"If they're too young, you're too old"

[cmp]

Originally posted by Front Office Midget
Someone been listening to Blink 182? I didn't think people older than 16 were supposed to do that.

ANYHOW, in a rare appearance, I decide to comment in this thread. As a resident 15-year-old high schooler on the board, I really don't see all this slutty dress. Probably because I live in rural Wisconsin, where stomach isn't even allowed to be showed at my school. Every now and then I'll notice something and be like "Does she really need to dress like that" but most girls around here are on the MORE modest side, though modesty certainly probably isn't where it should be. Still, it's not too bad here.

I'd have to agree with Midget. I really don't see too many dressed like that either in my high school. There's always a couple that will but most every other girl doesn't dress like that.

[tucker342]

Originally posted by Front Office Midget
Someone been listening to Blink 182? I didn't think people older than 16 were supposed to do that.

ANYHOW, in a rare appearance, I decide to comment in this thread. As a resident 15-year-old high schooler on the board, I really don't see all this slutty dress. Probably because I live in rural Wisconsin, where stomach isn't even allowed to be showed at my school. Every now and then I'll notice something and be like "Does she really need to dress like that" but most girls around here are on the MORE modest side, though modesty certainly probably isn't where it should be. Still, it's not too bad here.

It's the complete opposite at my school.

[vtbub]

Ask noop, they are just after his money.

[Anrhydeddu]

Originally posted by NoMyths
Isn't it fun repeating the same speech that the generation before you gave, and the generation before that, and the generation before that...

Nevermind. You must think that this is a constant.

[BFleming]

Especially living close to the Jersey Shore, I can attest to what Easy says. Every shape, size, whatever, doesn't matter...just as long as you put on your makeup with a paint sprayer and wear clothes that leave nothing to the imagination...But hey!! Enjoy it now, because you'll be pregnant by the time you turn 16...

Good thing I'm not a bitter individual ;)

[Noop]

Originally posted by vtbub
Ask noop, they are just after his money.

Man dont speak my name..I won't comment becuz i dont have life exp.

:)

noop

[lynchjm24]

Originally posted by BFleming
But hey!! Enjoy it now, because you'll be pregnant by the time you turn 16...



Of course declining rates in teenage pregnancy don't depict your argument. :)

As someone in their late 20's, all I can say is that I wish girls were like this when I was in highschool.

[SnowMan]

In order to make a proper remark on this subject, I'll need pictures.

:P

[bigdawg2003]

I went to blockbuster earlier and saw the girl who I thought was pretty cute, but upon closer inspection, probably is around 12-13 years old. I'm only 19, but damn it made me feel old & dirty.

[JonInMiddleGA]

FWIW EasyMac, I made almost that exact same speech 15 or so years ago (I'm 36 now).

[Coffee Warlord]

Ah, generations repeating themselves...over and over.

The thing is...given the current rate, naked will be the normal form of 'slutwear' in a couple generations. Really, they don't have much further they can go and still be in clothing.

[Vince]

Yes, it's definitely scary. I live in Santa Barbara, and I am now running 'Slice Night' at a local dorm. Over the summer, high school cheerleading camps are held there, and boy is it a scary thing. I've got a little sister who is 11 (I'm 22), and I am horrified to think of what she will be exposed to now that she's in Middle School (6th-8th grade) next year. Ugh...

[NoMyths]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Nevermind. You must think that this is a constant.
Yes, yes.

[Swaggs]

I just saw a Bill Maher skit on HBO and he was talking about this.

He said something along the lines of, "Here...there is only one inch of clothing between you and my vagina. And we haven't even met yet. It is like giving you the ball on the one-yard line before the game starts." :)

[JeeberD]

Originally posted by bigdawg2003
I went to blockbuster earlier and saw the girl who I thought was pretty cute, but upon closer inspection, probably is around 12-13 years old. I'm only 19, but damn it made me feel old & dirty.

No kidding. At work we have to do the stupid birthday song when we find out there's a birthday at the table. Well, it seems that at least once a week I'll go to a table to sing and start checking out the hot birthday girl. Then the server asks her how old she is today, with me expecting her to answer 18 or 19, but she answers 13 or 14. Really scary shit. Makes me feel really old and really dirty...

[Julio Riddols]

Originally posted by SirFozzie
Hate to use a line one of my old cow-orkers said to me, but it fits.

Man, not only are the girls dressing like pre-teen whores, but what is the deal with these cow orkers?

Last time I saw someone orking a cow, I nearly threw up.

All odd-behavior aside, I too agree that many girls are dressing in a way which tempts the inner pedophile in me.. and I don't think that is a good thing.

I guess blaming hollywood may actually be a feasible excuse in this case, considering the ever rising frequency of nudity or suggested nudity on network and basic cable television, and the celebrated "trendiness" of risque outfits.

But of course, you also have to wonder where the hell these younger girls get their clothes.. And who is paying for them.
THAT is what scares me.

[Suicane]

Children (15-16 year olds) who havn't learned anything are having Children.
Repeat
Repeat
Repeat

Pretty soon you have 3 or 4 generations of lessened Morals, Education, Responsibility etc...


Society is crumbling.

[SteelerFan448]

It's so hard to tell how old they are now. Then the way they dress is really bad. Most of that stems back to the parents though, it's time for their parents to step up and bring them back to a little dignity.

[Superman=#54]

Originally posted by Suicane
Children (15-16 year olds) who havn't learned anything are having Children.
Repeat
Repeat
Repeat

Pretty soon you have 3 or 4 generations of lessened Morals, Education, Responsibility etc...


Society is crumbling.

That is so fricken true. Society is so bad these days I shudder to think how it will look ten years from now.

I go to a private high school and we all have to wear uniforms. So you would think that this school would be pretty conservative dress wise. WRONG, very short skirts, thongs and pantiless girls are very common on a day to day basis. When we have days when the school lets us where our own clothes you can not believe what some of the girls wear.

I am not complaing. Most of the kids that go to this private shool have a decent amount of money. Lots of nice cars that the parents gave them and everyone has a cell phone. Most parents could care less what their children are doing or are working to hard. Also there are a lot of weed use at this school.

I can't imagine what drugs kids will be using ten years from now that are my age. While dressing is one of the problems of kids these days it is not the only problem. The only way I see to cure it is better parents.

[lynchjm24]

Originally posted by Superman=#54
Also there are a lot of weed use at this school.

I can't imagine what drugs kids will be using ten years from now that are my age.

Oh no - high school kids who smoke weed. What is the world coming to?

[McSweeny]

Originally posted by lynchjm24
Oh no - high school kids who smoke weed. What is the world coming to?

and not just high school kids! everyone seems to smoke weed!

:D

[NoMyths]

Originally posted by Suicane
Children (15-16 year olds) who havn't learned anything are having Children.
Repeat
Repeat
Repeat

Pretty soon you have 3 or 4 generations of lessened Morals, Education, Responsibility etc...


Society is crumbling.
Yeah, it's such a change from when people used to wait until 20 to get married and have kids, huh? ;)

[TLK]

Originally posted by McSweeny
and not just high school kids! everyone seems to smoke weed!

:D

Would be an interesting poll on here......

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Julio Riddols

I guess blaming hollywood may actually be a feasible excuse in this case, considering the ever rising frequency of nudity or suggested nudity on network and basic cable television, and the celebrated "trendiness" of risque outfits.


Hmm, interesting statement, considering as far as movies go, I would say there is a lot less nudity then there was 10, 15 years ago (just ask Mr. Skin ;) ). Studios want to avoid getting an R rating a lot of the time to up the teen audience.

[Samdari]

Originally posted by cuervo72
Hmm, interesting statement, considering as far as movies go, I would say there is a lot less nudity then there was 10, 15 years ago (just ask Mr. Skin ;) ). Studios want to avoid getting an R rating a lot of the time to up the teen audience.
Its a shame too isn't it? Its really hard to find a good softcore porn movie like porky's, or the shameless, needless gratuitous nudity of a movie like Stripes. That damn PG-13 rating has almost ruined nudity in film. And yes, I'm bitter about it. I remember the good old days, when some writer even proposed a new JLCN rating (Jamie Lee Curtis Nude).

[Cards4ever]

First, what does what you wear have to do with your sexual behavior? It reminds me of the argument of why a guy rapes a woman, cause she was dressed slutty and she was asking for it. If it was your daughter, would you think she was asking for it? Fashion trends come and go, it's just the way it works, we've all seen it. Prohibiting your kid from wearing the popular trends is suicide. Compromising and allowing some of it, and educating them about where and when to wear that stuff is alot more reasonable. Instead of bitching about what girls wear, here's a better idea, teach males that because a girl is wearing something skimpy or sexy, she just might not be a slut, and if you touch her, you just might get your balls kicked.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Samdari
Its a shame too isn't it? Its really hard to find a good softcore porn movie like porky's, or the shameless, needless gratuitous nudity of a movie like Stripes. That damn PG-13 rating has almost ruined nudity in film. And yes, I'm bitter about it. I remember the good old days, when some writer even proposed a new JLCN rating (Jamie Lee Curtis Nude).

There are rumors that Howard Stern is going to remake Porky's.

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808471022



This is a remake of the 1981 surprise blockbuster comedy hit, Porky's (making $105 million on a budget of just $4 million), which pushed the limits and definitions of racy teen sex comedies (nearly creating the genre, actually), and spawned dozens of similar movies which followed it throughout the 1980s, which included Porky's II: The Next Day in 1983 and Porky's Revenge in 1985. Heck, there was even a "Porky's" game for the Atari 2600. If this remake is a success, it's very likely that the sequels will be remade with the new cast and the "Howard Stern Presents" logo as well.


There was an Atari Porky's game????? :eek:

[cuervo72]

Dola -

Oh, and back on-topic; Cards, what are the underlying reasons for these fashion trends? There may be reasons that are appropriate for girls who are "of age", but when it comes to 12 and 13 year-olds, I think there needs to be a different standard. These girls don't need to be emulating everything older girls/women are doing.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by cuervo72
Dola -

Oh, and back on-topic; Cards, what are the underlying reasons for these fashion trends? There may be reasons that are appropriate for girls who are "of age", but when it comes to 12 and 13 year-olds, I think there needs to be a different standard. These girls don't need to be emulating everything older girls/women are doing.

So, when you were 12 and 13, there weren't kids smoking?

[VPI97]

Originally posted by cuervo72
There was an Atari Porky's game????? :eek:
http://www.atariguide.com/c2/266.jpg

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
So, when you were 12 and 13, there weren't kids smoking?

I'm sure there were, but they seemed to be the ones that were held back a couple of years, wore dungaree jackets with Iron Maiden patches on them, etc. They certainly didn't wear thongs or wear skirts with no underwear.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by cuervo72
I'm sure there were, but they seemed to be the ones that were held back a couple of years, wore dungaree jackets with Iron Maiden patches on them, etc. They certainly didn't wear thongs or wear skirts with no underwear.

Ah yes, more stereotyping! So, do all black guys that wear beepers sell drugs too?

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
Ah yes, more stereotyping! So, do all black guys that wear beepers sell drugs too?

What, the Iron Maiden comment? I'm sorry, but that's what the guys who were smoking in the bathroom outside the lunchroom during lunchtime in Jr. High were wearing (contributed to some later "shy bladder" problems - it was a small bathroom).

And I apologize for living a somewhat sheltered childhood, where I had friends who didn't smoke or do drugs, and I was never invited to many parties with drinking/drugs/wild sex involved.

There, in my last two posts I've apologized to you and Anxiety. Anyone else need a personal apology?

[Anrhydeddu]

cuervo, you have to excuse those that wants to live without much moral standards. They think it's okay to not discourage such behavior and styles. Afterall, there are no consequences, right?

[cuervo72]

No, no consequenses whatsoever.

[Cards4ever]

I'm not looking for a apology, I was hoping that maybe we could shift people's thinking about what a person wears and what their true makeup is. I've known lots of suit types that snort coke, people see them coming down the street and they think he's Mr Clean Cut, and I've known plenty of rocker types that don't drink or don't smoke, but yet, they have the stereotype of being wild and crazy.

I have a daughter, and I hate to think that because she might wear a short skirt when she is a teen, that, some wacko thinks it's ok to touch or grope her, cause somebody thinks she is a slut.

[Anrhydeddu]

cards, the issue is that perception is reality and that's usually all we have to go by. If a boy or girl wants to avoid sexual situations, then don't send the message that they are open to sex (as in the case of the original post) or be in situations where there is the temptation to do so. It seems that many want it both ways - to project a sexual appearance (as much of society pushes) but not the consequences that comes with it.

[CamEdwards]

Cards,

I'll agree. A teenager wearing a short skirt isn't necessarily a slut. However, your statement about forcing your kids to not wear "trendy" clothes being suicide is dead wrong, in my opinion.

I'm the stepfather of a 16 year old (17 in November. And stay away, Easy Mac!). I have, on several instances, told her to return items she purchased at the mall. She dresses fashionably, but I don't think she has any outfit that could be considered "sexy".

She still has plenty of friends, and if she wanted to date, she'd certainly have no shortage of potential boyfriends.

If you honestly have no problem with your daughter dressing in a way that is designed to turn guys on, more power to you. I'm more protective than that.

[cuervo72]

Oh, I know that looks can be deceiving. But there has to be some common sense along the line somewhere. A "suit" dresses as such to make positive impressions in the professional world. "Rockers" wear what they do to put on a certain image - whether they fit it or not - and to identify with a band, others that follow the band, etc. Kids/teens/young adults (and heck, older adults too) will modify their wardrobe to keep up with trends, that won't change. But some trends aren't good ones. Thongs, belly shirts, short skirts, makeup - all of these were created to make women more alluring, more sexy. Young girls don't need to be sexy, if it's fashionable or not.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by CamEdwards


If you honestly have no problem with your daughter dressing in a way that is designed to turn guys on, more power to you. I'm more protective than that.


This is the thinking that needs to change. Is she wearing it to turn guys on, or is she wearing it because it's comfortable or "in"?

I think you are misreading me too, I said there is some compromise there too. It's not hard to get your kid to have some stuff that is in, and look fashionable at the same time.


Hell, it's hot in the summer, so, a girl should have to wear long pants and a button down shirt buttoned to top, or get labeled a slut? That is total BS.

Cam, your daughter will soon turn 18, and then what happens when she wants to wear something that you disagree with? You tell her not to, not in your house, then she says F you and moves out, then what? Isn't it better to have some conversation and reason with your kids about things?

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Cards4ever

Hell, it's hot in the summer, so, a girl should have to wear long pants and a button down shirt buttoned to top, or get labeled a slut? That is total BS.


I'm not looking to pile on here...and yes, boys/men should be careful with their thought processes. But I'd like to point out the trend of low-cut jeans; not exacly a summer item, but a popular one that I think was designed with a specific purpose (and I don't think it was comfort :rolleyes: ).

I also don't know if girls have real problems with their mid-sections overheating :)

[oykib]

I think that to a certain extent, Cards, you're right. But slutty clothes mean sex. They don't mean fashion. Those that thinkl that they do are kidding themselves.

That doesn't give someone the right to sexually assault these girls. No one here is saying that it does.

The girl wearing the slutty get up is more likely to have sex with you. We all know that. It's 'PC' nonsense to pretend this isn't the case. Men behave accordingly when confronted by a girl like that. If the guy doesn't disrepect or molest people, then he won't disrespect or molest the girl who is dressed like a slut. If the reverse is true, then the guy will do it without the encouragement.

My point is that the slutty get-ups have nothing to do with crimes against women. But I don't respect women that I think I can nail five minutes after knowing them. You probably don't either. These girls cannot be taken seriously when they are dressed like the opening scene of a porno flick.

If I had a daughter, I wouldn't let her dress that way. It wouldn't come to her running out of the house at eighteen. She would respect herself enough to not want to do that.

As a personal example, I'm a guy. I like chasing tail and all that. But I was raised to have enough respect for myself not to degrade myself doing it. Hre in Japan there are plenty of opportunities to use and be used by others for physical gratification.

There are many black men that play up the whole thug movie image to pick up the girls that are into that. The kinds of places that you go to do this, I refuse to enter. That's even putting aside the whole strutting asshole behavior that some of these guys exhibit.

Peer pressure and personal gratification would have me do that in order to gain as many sexual partners as possible. But, like I said, I respect myself and I don't respect others who don't respect themselves.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
This is the thinking that needs to change. Is she wearing it to turn guys on, or is she wearing it because it's comfortable or "in"?


I won't claim this is a 100% truism but I've yet to encounter any of the 9 to 15 year old Brittany Spears wannabes who

a) don't know what the implication of the clothes are

b) don't choose those clothes with at least some measure of that effect being exactly what they're looking for. And in the majority of cases, the outfits are described as being "what guys think looks hot", not "what my (girl) friends consider cool".

[Subby]

Exploring your sexuality and wanting to have your brains fucked out are two completely different things.

This would be one of those threads where it would be helpful if this board wasn't made up of all males...

[oykib]

Originally posted by Subby
Exploring your sexuality and wanting to have your brains fucked out are two completely different things.

This would be one of those threads where it would be helpful if this board wasn't made up of all males...

The point is that exploring your sexuality is different from dressing like a streetwalker. There are plenty of sexy women that normal guys still respect. You don't have to show everything to be sexy. That's what parents have to do for these girls who don't realize the difference.

The thirteen year-olds that we're discussing in this thread are going to far. Their clothing is not sending the signal, "I'm sexy." Thier clothing is sending the signal, "Hey, I wan't my brains..."

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Subby
Exploring your sexuality and wanting to have your brains fucked out are two completely different things.


They are? When I was a teenager, exploring my sexuality meant exactly that. ;)


This would be one of those threads where it would be helpful if this board wasn't made up of all males...

I disagree... every thread on this board would be improved if we had more females. ;)

[Franklinnoble]

Dola...

That said... I'd never let any daughter of mine out of the house wearing anything provocative... precisely because I know exactly what was on my mind when I was a teenaged boy.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by cuervo72
I also don't know if girls have real problems with their mid-sections overheating :)

So, I guess all those bikini wearing sluts at beach should wear those swimsuits they had in the 20's.

[korme]

One one of my best girlfriends only wears skirts (long or short) in the summer because they are most comfortable for her she says.. and she really doesn't do stuff with guys.

So you never know.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
So, I guess all those bikini wearing sluts at beach should wear those swimsuits they had in the 20's.

Beaches go by a different set of rules....

Ok, here's an example of what I mean. On '8 Simple Rules', the blonde teenage daughter just about always wears some tight shirt which exposes her mid-section, and skin-tight jeans that ride quite low. I do not believe her character does this for comfort, or because her belly-button is too warm (the character is just a tad boy crazy).

edit: I knew the bikini/swimsuit angle would be explored here...it all has to do with context. Besides Sue Ellen Mishke, you wouldn't see women parading around on the street wearing just a bra, even though it is essentially the same as a bikini top.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by cuervo72
Beaches go by a different set of rules....

Ok, here's an example of what I mean. On '8 Simple Rules', the blonde teenage daughter just about always wears some tight shirt which exposes her mid-section, and skin-tight jeans that ride quite low. I do not believe her character does this for comfort, or because her belly-button is too warm (the character is just a tad boy crazy).

I know, we need to get some Little House on The Prairie dresses for these hussies!

I'll go home tonight and tell my 4yo slut she can't wear shorts and tank top, cause she is sending the wrong message at daycare.

Personally, I blame Elvis, if he hadn't started swiveling his hips many years ago, this never would have got started.

[Abe Sargent]

Does anyone else wish he was a kid again? Damn!

-Anxiety

[Anrhydeddu]

cards = overreacting

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
cards = overreacting

No, overreacting is thinking that because a girl/woman is dressed in a short skirt and a top that shows some cleavage is a slut. Get out of the cave, it's the 21st Century!

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
I know, we need to get some Little House on The Prairie dresses for these hussies!

I'll go home tonight and tell my 4yo slut she can't wear shorts and tank top, cause she is sending the wrong message at daycare.

Personally, I blame Elvis, if he hadn't started swiveling his hips many years ago, this never would have got started.

Ugh. Regarding the belly shirt - I wasn't saying that that in and of itself makes one a "hussy". I was arguing against the original point that girls may be wearing things like that because it is "hot in the summer". I think they're wearing it to a) fit in/emulate others and b) get boys' attention . For girls that are doing b) that are aware of it and are ready to parry advances, so be it. But when girls who are younger and are wearing it for a) get attention and don't expect it or are too young that they shouldn't be looking for that attention, that's where you start to get in trouble.

I don't believe any of your 4yo's classmates are going to be looking that way at your daughter. However, in about 8 or 9 years from now, they may be (or boys a couple of years older than she will be).

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
No, overreacting is thinking that because a girl/woman is dressed in a short skirt and a top that shows some cleavage is a slut. Get out of the cave, it's the 21st Century!

Just to restate parts of Easy Mac's original post:

Have you guys seen what pre-teen to teenage girls are wearing these days? I work at a movie theater (teenage haven), and these little girls are walking around in skin-tight clothing with insanes amount of make up on. They look like little whores. And they're on dates? These girls can't be older than 12, and their on dates w/o their parents. They're talking on cellphones all the time. Who the hell are you talking to, your nursery school teacher?

And don't even get me started on the highschool girls (not that I'm always complaining). If you're going to wear a black thong, don't wear white fucking pants. And why even wear a top, I can see the bottom and tops of your breasts (which are much bigger these days than even 7 years ago when I got into high school).


I certainly don't think he was referring to "women". Ok, I got sidetracked with the whole belly-shirt thing, that's not nearly that bad. But thongs, shirts that show off breasts etc....is there any reason for a HS girl to be showing off cleavage? Or a 12 year old to be wearing make-up and hot pants?

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by cuervo72
Ugh. Regarding the belly shirt - I wasn't saying that that in and of itself makes one a "hussy". I was arguing against the original point that girls may be wearing things like that because it is "hot in the summer". I think they're wearing it to a) fit in/emulate others and b) get boys' attention . For girls that are doing b) that are aware of it and are ready to parry advances, so be it. But when girls who are younger and are wearing it for a) get attention and don't expect it or are too young that they shouldn't be looking for that attention, that's where you start to get in trouble.

I don't believe any of your 4yo's classmates are going to be looking that way at your daughter. However, in about 8 or 9 years from now, they may be (or boys a couple of years older than she will be).

What I'm arguing about is calling someone a slut strictly because of what they wear. It's time to move away from that thinking. Don't you want to be judged on who you are, not what you wear?

[RendeR]

Its not what you wear, Its what you do.

People can wear anything they want, but when they cross the line and start BEING little sluts, they need to be reigned in and taught some self respect.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by cuervo72
Just to restate parts of Easy Mac's original post:



I certainly don't think he was referring to "women". Ok, I got sidetracked with the whole belly-shirt thing, that's not nearly that bad. But thongs, shirts that show off breasts etc....is there any reason for a HS girl to be showing off cleavage? Or a 12 year old to be wearing make-up and hot pants?

Girls have been wearing those spandex like shorts for the last 20 years! Maybe they haven't been showing cleavage, but tight jeans, tight sweaters, mini skirts, it's been going on for years. I realize that most of the guys on this board are younger, but, would he like it if someone called his daughter or even his date a "whore" or a "slut"?

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by RendeR
Its not what you wear, Its what you do.

People can wear anything they want, but when they cross the line and start BEING little sluts, they need to be reigned in and taught some self respect.


I agree, and add, along with the teenage boys that think they need to nail every cheerleader on the squad.

[Subby]

Beware the man who thinks he has any idea what a teenage girl is thinking...

[Mustang]

Dressing sexy doesn't not equal slut to 99.9% percent of the people.

So.. you're daughters are safe. Just as long as you don't run into that .1% of guys that can't make that distinction.

[Vince]

More to play devil's advocate than anything, since I for the most part agree with Cuervo rather than Cards...

But when is it ok for a girl to wear attractive clothing? College? After graduation? Another thing that needs to be explored is how ridiculous the stigma of 'uncool' can be with girls as young as middle school and high scool. Kids that age can be absolutely ruthless, and falling out of popularity can be devastating to a person's self esteem.

Also, do you think there's a difference between a 14 year old freshman wearing these clothes and an 18 year old Senior wearing these types of clothes? Where do you draw the line? At some point, girls are going to want to be attractive to the opposite sex and start dating. When does this become acceptable activity?

[Mustang]

Originally posted by RendeR

People can wear anything they want, but when they cross the line and start BEING little sluts, they need to be reigned in and taught some self respect.

On another note. Would be interesting to poll a group of 13-15 year old girls to get a definition of little slut and what it would take to make them think one of their peers is one.

1 guys, 5 guys, 15 guys...

[Anrhydeddu]

People can wear anything they want, but when they cross the line and start BEING little sluts, they need to be reigned in and taught some self respect.
I agree, that's common sense but it does go further. If clothing do not send messages, why the trend with school uniforms? This not only applies to dressing provactively(sp?) but gang wannabes. Do not underestimate the power of suggestion and peer pressure.

[Anrhydeddu]

Originally posted by Vince
More to play devil's advocate than anything, since I for the most part agree with Cuervo rather than Cards...

But when is it ok for a girl to wear attractive clothing? College? After graduation? Another thing that needs to be explored is how ridiculous the stigma of 'uncool' can be with girls as young as middle school and high scool. Kids that age can be absolutely ruthless, and falling out of popularity can be devastating to a person's self esteem.

Also, do you think there's a difference between a 14 year old freshman wearing these clothes and an 18 year old Senior wearing these types of clothes? Where do you draw the line? At some point, girls are going to want to be attractive to the opposite sex and start dating. When does this become acceptable activity?

Attractive clothing is one thing but that's not what we are discussing here. Assuming more "slutty" attires, it never becomes acceptable in public. Just look at the workplace (for most) where the threats of sexual harrassment is a major issue.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
Girls have been wearing those spandex like shorts for the last 20 years! Maybe they haven't been showing cleavage, but tight jeans, tight sweaters, mini skirts, it's been going on for years. I realize that most of the guys on this board are younger, but, would he like it if someone called his daughter or even his date a "whore" or a "slut"?

Yes, I have fond memories of spandex from high school, and of tight sweaters. But I remember them mainly from high school, girls in JR high wore mainly jeans and t-shirts, and most of them hadn't developed by that point (well, maybe in 9th grade). I don't remember many mini skirts :( But if they tried to wear some of the things they do today, at least in school, they'd find themselves in the principal's or AA's office pretty quickly I'd imagine.

I'll agree with you that we shouldn't label a girl a slut just because she dresses provocitavely. My contention though is that there has to be some common sense on what should be acceptible for girls of certain ages to wear. The closer to 18 one gets, the more freedom she should have. But when younger girls start more and more to dress as older girls do, therein lies the problem.

[Ben E Lou]

I don't know about the 9-11 year olds, but I have a pretty good knowledge of the 12-18-year-old set I'd say. ;) When we're at camp with kids, we live in the same cabins with them. My wife tells me that it is a VERY conscience decision of the girls, and it has little/nothing to do with fashion. Typically, one makes the statement, "want to dress slutty tonight?" or "want to dress hoochie tonight?" The older teen girls know EXACTLY what they are portraying.

And of course, I'm in the cabin with the guys, and I hear what they say about the girls and theteenaged daughter showing cleavage, skin or midriff. The guys make assumptions about what they can get out of the girls, and if the girls don't deliver willingly, the guys end up getting it anyway, usually by simply continuing to insist until the girl gives in, and they won't insist nearly as much (or at all) with girls who don't portray "easy-ness" by the way they are dressed.

[Anrhydeddu]

"want to dress hoochie tonight?"

Y'all want to translate for us non-Suthrens?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally posted by SkyDog Typically, one makes the statement, "want to dress slutty tonight?" or "want to dress hoochie tonight?" The older teen girls know EXACTLY what they are portraying.

FWIW, that matches very well with what I've heard from the same age group. Hmm... think maybe it's just a local/area phenomenon ;)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
"want to dress hoochie tonight?"

Y'all want to translate for us non-Suthrens?

from the slang dictionary at
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wrader/slang/h.html

hoochie n 1. a promiscuous female, prostitute. Also hooch and hoochie mama. Often (but not always) used in a teasing manner. ("That girl is such a hoochie!")

[Ksyrup]

Do I think that girls who dress "suggestively" or straight-out like sluts are asking to be raped? No.

Do I think those girls are consciously asking for attention, be it glances or flirting or whatever they are looking for? Absolutely.

You take the good with the bad. If a girl dresses provocatively, then she knows that she is increasing the likelihood that someone will misinterpret the statement she is trying to make with the clothing she wears.

[vtbub]

I don't need to see nipples on a 12 year old girl.

[Easy Mac]

She ain't nothin' but a hoochie mama!
Hoodrat, hoodrat, hoochie mama

[Cards4ever]

Here is a female perspective from a attractive young woman at my work place after I showed her this thread:



k I was a little inspired...you can post this if you want to.


being a woman, I have to completly disagree with the belief that if a girl dresses slutty she must be a slut and must want you to F her brains out. I can honestly say that I don't know any woman that wants you to F her brains out, rather a more intimate approach would be nice that is once we know your name, parents names, dogs name, every address you've ever lived at along with a complete background check.

When a girl dresses "slutty" as you like to say, she is simply dressing to impress, and get noticed. The majority of the girls that dress that way wouldn't even give most you guys a second look, rather they think they are too cute, and cool to date any of the boys and usually are the prudest ones out of the bunch. It's the same concept for the older girls who go out to the clubs, they get all dressed up and go out showing as much skin as legally possible, just to go to the clubs and dance with their girlfriends and brush off any guy who even tries to approach their group- I don't see anything slutty about them.

Sure there are sluts out there, young and old, but you can't judge a person simply by what they wear...it's more about their personality and the way they act. For the girls going to movie theaters with their boyfriends at 12 or 13 dressed a little "slutty", more power to them!! But for the girls who are 12 or 13 dressing slutty and not coming home after the movie and staying out all night long with their boyfriends, then there might be room to critisize, and that's when their parents should step into play and have reason to worry. But until then, let the little woman wear what she wants to

[mckerney]

For the girls going to movie theaters with their boyfriends at 12 or 13 dressed a little "slutty", more power to them!!

The girl has on a see through skirt, knee high boots and a halter top. She's walking down the isle as I walk in, and she's pulling her skirt down. Evidently she wasn't wearing underwear, because I saw a cleanly shaven girl, WTF?

That's the definition of 'a little' slutty?

[JonInMiddleGA]

All I can say is that it sounds like she knows a considerably different set of pre-teens/early teens than I know.

[Easy Mac]

Then don't dress in that manner. In one statement she says women want some kind of emotional attachment. In the other she says women who dress in a provocative manner shun "normal" guys. Well, the thing is, normal guys are the ones who go for the emotional attachment. You dress slutty, you get the guys who look for sex. Don't claim you want one thing and then say fuck you to the people who are willing to provide you what you seek.

You dress like a whore, you get the assholes, deal with it.

Also, you say they dressed like that to get noticed. Obviously they are not the most self-assured girls if they need other people's glances to make them feel important.

[korme]

Originally posted by Mustang
On another note. Would be interesting to poll a group of 13-15 year old girls to get a definition of little slut and what it would take to make them think one of their peers is one.

1 guys, 5 guys, 15 guys...

For me as a 17 year old, if a girl has had sex with 5 guys then she is probably getting slut considerations.

[Easy Mac]

I knew a girl who took a train of 11 guys (I thankfully was not one of them). She lost her virginity at 16 like that. We called her a slut in private.

[korme]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
I knew a girl who took a train of 11 guys (I thankfully was not one of them). She lost her virginity at 16 like that. We called her a slut in private.

A girl was at my house the other night, among other people. After drinking half of her Jack & Coke, she was openly bragging about how she has had two trains ran on her... not something to be very proud of.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
"want to dress hoochie tonight?"

Y'all want to translate for us non-Suthrens? No, but I'll translate for all of you old out-of-touch guys. It isn't a Southern term, it is a term that is mainly derived from hip-hop culture.

[Vince]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Attractive clothing is one thing but that's not what we are discussing here. Assuming more "slutty" attires, it never becomes acceptable in public. Just look at the workplace (for most) where the threats of sexual harrassment is a major issue.

I understand that, but the 'slutty' attires are usually what those who wear them consider attractive. I'm fairly certain that I have the same opinion of what is and is not appropriate for young girls to wear as most of the people involved in this thread; my point is that I don't think the girls we are describing see what they are wearing as slutty. For the most part, I can't imagine why girls would think that wearing 'slutty' clothes is a good thing, and therefore I think that they find what they are wearing to be perfectly acceptable. Perhaps this is me being naive, but that's my thought process.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by Shorty3281
A girl was at my house the other night, among other people. After drinking half of her Jack & Coke, she was openly bragging about how she has had two trains ran on her... not something to be very proud of.


Now, if this was a guy bragging about banging 3 or 4 women in a night, what would you think?

[illinifan999]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
Now, if this was a guy bragging about banging 3 or 4 women in a night, what would you think?

Very good point.

[mckerney]

I'd feel about the same as I would towards the girl.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
Now, if this was a guy bragging about banging 3 or 4 women in a night, what would you think? Actually, this makes my point if you ask me. For the most part, a guy is considered "cool" and "studly" if he engages in such behavior. I AM NOT SAYING I ENDORSE THE SYSTEM, BUT IT IS THE WAY THINGS ARE! It is denying obvious reality to seriously think that a girl who dresses scantily will get the respect that a girl who dresses just a bit more modestly. Thinking that you can change this system of thought is akin to thinking that an economy based on socialism would ever prosper long-term. It sounds noble, and right and loving to the fellow man, but it won't work, because people are selfish and greedy. It sounds noble and right to that women would be judged by what's on the inside, but it isn't going to happen in our lifetime, so it is wise to work within the system. Growing up, my father always taught me that because I was black and in the Deep South, there were some realities that I just had to deal with. Same thing here.

[Easy Mac]

I think thats even changed. I know in my college, guys who get a rep as a player are generally derided by the guys when they aren't around. Sure they're cool to hang around, but we don't respect them for fucking so many girls. I think the same thing holds true for girls.

If I guy is bragging, sure we're like, "good job man, you rock" or something, but we also think he's a complete dick.

[Vince]

I'm with Easy on that one. First off, the kind of guy that would do something like that isn't my kind of guy. The kind of guy that would brag about something like that (which is more than likely the same person, every time) is even less of my kind of guy.

[andy m]

summing up this thread in 2 sentences:

some people are having sex

AND SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY ANGRY ABOUT IT!

[lurker]

Female perspective -- There is nothing comfortable about dressing in a tank top three sizes too small and a skirt that is riding up your ass. Any girl that does that obviously doesn't respect herself. I always wondered when I'd see these junior high girls wearing pretty much nothing what their parents were thinking, so it's at least educational to see how Cards feels, even if I couldn't disagree more. FWIW, my parents never came right out and forbade me (or my brother -- men can be immodest as well) to wear what I wanted. They just made me feel that I should have more respect for my body and my privacy than to be ogled by every sicko you walk by. Let me tell you, there is no more disgusting feeling than walking by a group of guys and having them look you up and down "appraisingly." Any girl that enjoys that and dresses to encourage that has serious problems.

And Shorty, I wear skirts all the time in the summer too because they are more comfortable, but I don't wear the kinds that have been described here. It's probably the same for your friend.

(Weird, but I was just ranting to Passacaglia about this very subject the other day -- I was at a coffee shop and I saw these high school girls wearing thongs and low rider jeans. So disgusting.)

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by andy m
summing up this thread in 2 sentences:

some people are having sex

AND SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY ANGRY ABOUT IT!


In your case, sheep do not count!

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Actually, this makes my point if you ask me. For the most part, a guy is considered "cool" and "studly" if he engages in such behavior. I AM NOT SAYING I ENDORSE THE SYSTEM, BUT IT IS THE WAY THINGS ARE! It is denying obvious reality to seriously think that a girl who dresses scantily will get the respect that a girl who dresses just a bit more modestly. Thinking that you can change this system of thought is akin to thinking that an economy based on socialism would ever prosper long-term. It sounds noble, and right and loving to the fellow man, but it won't work, because people are selfish and greedy. It sounds noble and right to that women would be judged by what's on the inside, but it isn't going to happen in our lifetime, so it is wise to work within the system. Growing up, my father always taught me that because I was black and in the Deep South, there were some realities that I just had to deal with. Same thing here.

So, is that what you told the parents of the girl that decided it would be cool to get on the back of that motorcycle? The reality is, you do stuff like that, you take a chance of dying, you just have to deal with it.

Unreported rapes are very high in this country, lots of girls are afraid to report them, if it's your daughter and she went out the night before wearing a miniskirt and a top that showed some cleavage, are you going to tell her she deserved it, cause that is how the system is?

[Anrhydeddu]

New Study Links Teen Sex and Depression, Suicide Attempts

WASHINGTON, June 5, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A new study shows that sexual activity among high school age boys and girls often has harmful emotional and psychological consequences. Sexually active teens are less likely to be happy, more likely to be depressed and more likely to attempt suicide. The majority of sexually active teens state that they regret their initial sexual activity and wish they had waited until they were older before becoming sexually active.

Family Research Council's Bridget Maher, policy analyst on marriage and family issues, said, "This study is one more reason why abstinence education is a more compassionate policy approach than pushing 'safe sex.'"

The study, conducted by the Heritage Foundation, is based on data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Adolescent Health, a nationwide survey which examined behaviors of adolescents in junior high and high school. Among the findings were:

· Teenage girls who are sexually active are three times more likely to be depressed than are girls who are not active. Those girls who are sexually active are almost three times more likely to attempt suicide than are girls who are not active.
· Teenage boys who are sexually active are more than twice as likely to be depressed than are boys who are not active. Those boys who are sexually active are almost ten times more likely to attempt suicide than are boys who are not active.
· Almost two-thirds of sexually active teenage boys and girls state that they wish they had waited longer before beginning sexual activity. Almost three quarters of sexually active teenage girls state they wish they had waited longer before beginning sexual activity.

To access the study see the Heritage Foundation at:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Family/cda0304.cfm

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But then again, some do not care about the health and well-being of others.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
So, is that what you told the parents of the girl that decided it would be cool to get on the back of that motorcycle? The reality is, you do stuff like that, you take a chance of dying, you just have to deal with it.

Unreported rapes are very high in this country, lots of girls are afraid to report them, if it's your daughter and she went out the night before wearing a miniskirt and a top that showed some cleavage, are you going to tell her she deserved it, cause that is how the system is? Of course not, I'd tell her on the front end not to go out dressing that way. That is my whole point. She wouldn't "deserve" it, but it IS unwise to ignore the way things work.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
But then again, some do not care about the health and well-being of others.

I don't know where I said that. You assume alot of things. I also do not advocate teenage sex, my daughter is already involved in so many activities that I figure she will be pretty busy in sports to cut down on the risk of early sex. I didn't realize I'd be discussing this with the Moral Majority.

[Ben E Lou]

Dola...

And yes, it was VERY unwise of Hannah to get on the back of that motorcycle. No question.

[Easy Mac]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
I don't know where I said that. You assume alot of things. I also do not advocate teenage sex, my daughter is already involved in so many activities that I figure she will be pretty busy in sports to cut down on the risk of early sex. I didn't realize I'd be discussing this with the Moral Majority.

No offense, but at my high school the softball and soccer teams were pretty slutty. I dated a few of them, and they told me stories about 20 girls on those teams.

[Anrhydeddu]

Cards, it was not directed at you at all. Sorry if it was implied as such. But be careful, with you not advocating teen sex (which I assume then you would be advocating abstenince), others would make cracks at your moral stance.

[Noop]

Okay guys let me some this up you guys with daughters in highschool or junior high. If shes into alot of after school things more then likey she might have skipped it once or twice to get her back blow out or give a guy a blow job. School girls want sex as bad as the guys but they want to dick tease the guy so much he just might rape her. In my opinion if you dress that way(I mean over the top) then maybe you want somebody to empty a clip in your mouth, pussy or booty hole(if your into that type stuff)


:)

noop

[Easy Mac]

welcome back HM!

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Cards, it was not directed at you at all. Sorry if it was implied as such. But be careful, with you not advocating teen sex (which I assume then you would be advocating abstenince), others would make cracks at your moral stance.


I'm not advocating abstenince either, I advocate making wise choices. You would say wearing a miniskirt or a belly shirt is not making a wise choice. I would say, maybe in certain places and times that might be true. I just don't get into calling women/girls/females sluts or whores. Til someone says or does something to you, they deserve the respect you want from them.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
welcome back HM!

LOL!

Looks like we need an Unintentional Cocky and Funny Rating now.

[Noop]

hope your not calling me hm...i just call it how i see it...call a spade a spade.

:)

noop

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
Til someone says or does something to you, they deserve the respect you want from them.

I believe that the way one dresses is a method of communication. And a woman who dresses "slutty" is communicating a lower level of respect for the guys she encounters than one dressed less scantily. She's saying, in effect, "I assume you don't want to know anything about me other than how I look, so I'll make it easy for you." That doesn't deserve much respect.

That doesn't excuse sexual assault, of course - there's a lack of respect, and then there's criminal activity. But you can't tell me that, for instance, if someone shows up for a job interview in dirty clothes and flip-flops, they aren't communicating a lack of respect for the interviewer. I don't see much difference here.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by Noop
call a spade a spade.


I think you mean 'a hoe a hoe.'

[Noop]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I think you mean 'a hoe a hoe.'

if you say so

:)

noop

[Anrhydeddu]

Cards, I agree, there is no place for name calling. I would also add to your last sentence, "til someone does something to themself". That's where caring folks like Ben, SWMBO and many other come in and minister, showing a positive lifestyle apart from what popular culture and society encourages.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Cards, I agree, there is no place for name calling. I would also add to your last sentence, "til someone does something to themself". That's where caring folks like Ben, SWMBO and many other come in and minister, showing a positive lifestyle apart from what popular culture and society encourages.


So, when is it ok for a woman to feel sexy? She can't wear that short skirt to go out on a date? And hey, to some the short skirt isn't so bad, to others she's ready to walk the streets cause it's 3 inches off the knee. She has to wait til she's married? Or only in the house?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
I didn't realize I'd be discussing this with the Moral Majority. I don't think you're hearing me if that comment was directed partially at me. My opinion on this one has little/nothing to do with morality, but everything to do with practicality.

[Karim]

· Teenage boys who are sexually active are more than twice as likely to be depressed than are boys who are not active. Those boys who are sexually active are almost ten times more likely to attempt suicide than are boys who are not active.

Of course no one bothers to ask or investigate the opposite question but everything is obviously fine.

[Anrhydeddu]

Cards, I don't know really. But I do think it probably comes down to semantics. "Sexy" by definition means sexually suggestive or stimulating. "Attractive", "feminine" could be more appropriate words, esp. being in public. If one believes in abstinence, esp. among teens (and pre-teens, yikes!), then why encourage "sexy" dress and behavior when feeling attractive, beautiful or feminine (for girls) would be more appropriate?

[CAsterling]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
In your case, sheep do not count!

Wrong - Sheep always count, as every Aussie/Welshman the world over will tell you, so many sheep so little time :D :D

[korme]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
Now, if this was a guy bragging about banging 3 or 4 women in a night, what would you think?

pimpin'

[korme]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
No offense, but at my high school the softball and soccer teams were pretty slutty. I dated a few of them, and they told me stories about 20 girls on those teams.

Well, that's the opposite here. Most of the girls on the softball and soccer teams are pretty 'good' girls, I assume, and you know what, I just assumed this by the way they dress and present themselves.

Go figure.

[Craptacular]

Wow, this thread has really taken off.

Others (lurker, Ksyrup, etc) have said similar things, but here is my basic view on the subject: Like it or not, the way we dress conveys a message to the people we see. It may not be the message you want to send, as people are going to read it in different ways. I'm usually dressed in either khakis and a polo shirt for work, or jeans or shorts and a T-shirt at most other times. I buy most of my clothes at Kohls. I honestly don't really give a shit what people think about my clothes, other than at least presenting a semi-professional image at work. When I'm out and about, if people think I'm a style-less bum who doesn't want to waste money on spiffy clothes, I don't really care.

Obviously, in the case of many young girls and women, they don't share my apathy towards "style". However, I think it's safe to say they know what image they're trying to present. If they want to wear slutty clothes, they are likely trying to draw attention to their bodies, and some people are going to view them as sluts. That certainly may not be the case, but their appearance is the first thing anyone is going to notice about them. In regards to the questions about the line between slutty and sexy, and the ages at which this dress is "appropriate", there is no single answer. It's a matter of personal choice, both with the person wearing the clothes and everyone else who sees her. You can't control what other people think, but you can at least control the type of image you want to project.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Vince
More to play devil's advocate than anything, since I for the most part agree with Cuervo rather than Cards...

But when is it ok for a girl to wear attractive clothing? College? After graduation? Another thing that needs to be explored is how ridiculous the stigma of 'uncool' can be with girls as young as middle school and high scool. Kids that age can be absolutely ruthless, and falling out of popularity can be devastating to a person's self esteem.

Also, do you think there's a difference between a 14 year old freshman wearing these clothes and an 18 year old Senior wearing these types of clothes? Where do you draw the line? At some point, girls are going to want to be attractive to the opposite sex and start dating. When does this become acceptable activity?

If she were my daughter, it would be after she escaped the tower and crossed the moat. The expected age for that is between 20 and 30 after being put there when she was 10 ;)

SI

[ahbrady]

I teach at a junior high/high school, and I see these young girls that are scantily clad. I don't think that most of these girls are "sluts", but I still don't think they should wear these kind of clothes. As many others have said, they don't dress this way to be fashionable or comfortable, they do it to catch the boys eye. I don't think most of these girls know what's going on in a boy's mind when they see that though. For the most part a girl sees their clothes as looking "cute". When a boy sees a girl in little clothing they start thinking about what they would like to do with them. There are many girls that are teases and dress to get the boys all fired up, but I think some just think that the shirt or skirt or whatever looks good on them, nothing more than that. That's a big problem, I think, the different mentalities of boys and girls.

A parent of a girl at school was telling me that she told her daughter, "You only have a body like that for a little while, show it off while you can." I don't think that this mom wanted her daughter to look like a slut, I just think the mom thought she looked nice in certain "hoochie" clothes. She did mention, however, that the dad didn't see things that way. He said that he knew what those boys were thinking, so he didn't want her to dress like that. I think that's the way it is a lot of the time. Females underestimate the dirtiness of boys' minds.

[CamEdwards]

Cards,

Hopefully by the time my daughter is 18 she will have absorbed some amount of wisdom from her mother, father, church, and peers who don't dress like sluts.

As has already been pointed out, this is hardly about "dressing comfortable". This is about dressing to catch the eye of teenage guys. That's why I said it's what these clothes are designed to do (I think you missed that part). One problem is, you're also catching the eye of the creepy 35 year old who still lives in his parents' basement. Another problem is, what are you going to do once you've caught the eye of that teenage boy?

I consider myself very lucky, really. We haven't had any problems with my daughter's outfits for quite some time. In fact, she makes comments about girls looking like "hootchie mama's" when she and my wife are at the mall.

You ask the question, when is it okay for a woman to feel sexy? I'd say the answer is, when she's a woman. I don't consider 12 year olds women. I don't think a 13 year old needs to feel "empowered" by going out on a date and not wearing panties. I don't think a 16 year old needs to feel sexy by wearing low rise jeans and thong panties. In my world, there's a difference between feeling good about yourself and feeling "sexy".

[mckerney]

But when is it ok for a girl to wear attractive clothing? College? After graduation? Another thing that needs to be explored is how ridiculous the stigma of 'uncool' can be with girls as young as middle school and high scool. Kids that age can be absolutely ruthless, and falling out of popularity can be devastating to a person's self esteem.

Woah, when did dressing 'attractive' mean skanky? I know plenty of girls who dress attractive but are still covered up.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by ahbrady
I teach at a junior high/high school, and I see these young girls that are scantily clad. I don't think that most of these girls are "sluts", but I still don't think they should wear these kind of clothes. As many others have said, they don't dress this way to be fashionable or comfortable, they do it to catch the boys eye. I don't think most of these girls know what's going on in a boy's mind when they see that though. For the most part a girl sees their clothes as looking "cute". When a boy sees a girl in little clothing they start thinking about what they would like to do with them. There are many girls that are teases and dress to get the boys all fired up, but I think some just think that the shirt or skirt or whatever looks good on them, nothing more than that. That's a big problem, I think, the different mentalities of boys and girls...

Females underestimate the dirtiness of boys' minds.

You. have. got. to. be. kidding. me.

Even at that age, girls know what they are doing. If you think girls don't know the reaction they are getting then you are just naive.

I'm not saying they all might as well paint "screw me" with an arrow pointing down on every shirt, but they realize that wearing those clothes give them powers over lots of guys and I don't think it takes a genius to connect the dots and figure out where that power is derrived from.

SI

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Cards, I agree, there is no place for name calling. I would also add to your last sentence, "til someone does something to themself". That's where caring folks like Ben, SWMBO and many other come in and minister, showing a positive lifestyle apart from what popular culture and society encourages.


Ah yes, caring folks, like priests? I guess there's nothing sexier than a altar boy huh?

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by mckerney
Woah, when did dressing 'attractive' mean skanky? I know plenty of girls who dress attractive but are still covered up.

To many teenage girls, wearing a short skirt, and I'm not talking about a mesh micro mini is attractive. Tight jeans have been around for ages, does that mean you deserve it if a gay guy gropes you cause you are wearing tight jeans? Are you asking for it? That is the mentality that has to stop.

[CamEdwards]

The best you can do is insult Skydog and others by comparing them to pedophiles? Wow, you've certainly swayed me.

Here's the real question. What harm is done by not letting your daughter dress like a skank? Again, we're not talking tight jeans. We're talking micro minis, low rise jeans with thongs sticking out, see thru shirts and the like. What's so bad about not wanting your daughter to dress like this?

[mckerney]

Cam, you don't want your daughter to dress like that, so you must obviously want to go back to the Puritain days when women would be stoned to death for showing their ankles!


As you can see, there's no middle ground, it's one extreme or the other. :rolleyes:

[Easy Mac]

mmmmm stoned women in ankle socks.

[CamEdwards]

Originally posted by mckerney
Cam, you don't want your daughter to dress like that, so you must obviously want to go back to the Puritain days when women would be stoned to death for showing their ankles!


As you can see, there's no middle ground, it's one extreme or the other. :rolleyes:

He should be a talk show host!

[Easy Mac]

A tangent, since I started the damn thread.

Quiksand will get to 10,000 posts on August 12, 2003 at 1:16:42 PM.

Just keeping my running tally going.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by CamEdwards
The best you can do is insult Skydog and others by comparing them to pedophiles? Wow, you've certainly swayed me.

Here's the real question. What harm is done by not letting your daughter dress like a skank? Again, we're not talking tight jeans. We're talking micro minis, low rise jeans with thongs sticking out, see thru shirts and the like. What's so bad about not wanting your daughter to dress like this?


I'm not insulting anybody, but, I'm surely not going to put anyone up on a pedestal either. Were priests not once considered youth leaders also? Look what happened there. Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell, all once considered high moral fiber people, how did that all turn out?

Also, where did I mention any of those clothing items? Not once, I mentioned short skirts, cause we are talking about semantics, and that is why labeling someone cause of what they wear dangerous. Some would say a woman wearing tight jeans looks like a "skank", others wouldn't. How about a leather skirt? Same thing, some people would think you are a slut for wearing that, others don't. What does a guy do in the summer when he's hot? He takes off his shirt, so, wearing a belly shirt is any different? Low rise jeans with a thong? How about if she's wearing regular underwear, is she still a "skank"? I guess that makes every plumber in the free universe a "skank". The extreme you are talking about, do you honestly believe that the whole theatre was wearing that stuff? It might have been one or two girls going to that extreme.

[Aesyrqwe]

Originally posted by Superman=#54
That is so fricken true. Society is so bad these days I shudder to think how it will look ten years from now.

I go to a private high school and we all have to wear uniforms. So you would think that this school would be pretty conservative dress wise. WRONG, very short skirts, thongs and pantiless girls are very common on a day to day basis. When we have days when the school lets us where our own clothes you can not believe what some of the girls wear.

I am not complaing. Most of the kids that go to this private shool have a decent amount of money. Lots of nice cars that the parents gave them and everyone has a cell phone. Most parents could care less what their children are doing or are working to hard. Also there are a lot of weed use at this school.

I can't imagine what drugs kids will be using ten years from now that are my age. While dressing is one of the problems of kids these days it is not the only problem. The only way I see to cure it is better parents.

I go to this school... :)

[korme]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
How about if she's wearing regular underwear, is she still a "skank"? I guess that makes every plumber in the free universe a "skank".

Ok, I know this is a serious thread but..

hhaahahaha.. it's 3 AM, I haven't used my voice in a few hours and this just made me chuckle. LOL

[CamEdwards]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
I'm not insulting anybody, but, I'm surely not going to put anyone up on a pedestal either. Were priests not once considered youth leaders also? Look what happened there. Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell, all once considered high moral fiber people, how did that all turn out?

Also, where did I mention any of those clothing items? Not once, I mentioned short skirts, cause we are talking about semantics, and that is why labeling someone cause of what they wear dangerous. Some would say a woman wearing tight jeans looks like a "skank", others wouldn't. How about a leather skirt? Same thing, some people would think you are a slut for wearing that, others don't. What does a guy do in the summer when he's hot? He takes off his shirt, so, wearing a belly shirt is any different? Low rise jeans with a thong? How about if she's wearing regular underwear, is she still a "skank"? I guess that makes every plumber in the free universe a "skank". The extreme you are talking about, do you honestly believe that the whole theatre was wearing that stuff? It might have been one or two girls going to that extreme.

I would say if a plumber is wearing a thong, he's a skank. I would say if your outfit is designed to show off your underwear, you shouldn't be wearing it.

I don't even know why I'm arguing this with you. Everyone knows Minnesotans have no taste in clothes. Look at Garrison Keillor and Bob Dylan. And after all, if a couple of Minnesotans can't dress for shit, the same must hold true for everyone.

Yes, I realize you weren't talking about those specific items, but since the person who started this topic WAS discussing those items, I thought I'd go ahead and try and steer the conversation back to the original topic.

I'll continue to repeat what I've been saying all along. If you have no problem with your daughter intentionally showing off her ass crack, chest, or crotch, that's your right as a parent. I really don't understand your hostility towards people who might believe differently. Based on your arguments, however, you seem to be saying it's a bad thing to teach your child to resist peer pressure, because that can make them social outcasts.

In my opinion, parenting has very little to do with helping your kids become popular.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
A tangent, since I started the damn thread.

Quiksand will get to 10,000 posts on August 12, 2003 at 1:16:42 PM.

Just keeping my running tally going.

And this relates to the panty-less teenage girls how?

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
(Link to article: "New Study Links Teen Sex and Depression, Suicide Attempts")

But then again, some do not care about the health and well-being of others.

Does this study demonstrate that youngsters are depressed because they are having sex? Do we know that the cause-effect relationship, if any, works in that direction?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by QuikSand
And this relates to the panty-less teenage girls how? I don't know about anyone else, but when I think of QuikSand, the first thing that comes to mind is panty-less teenage girls... :p

[Samdari]

Most of you here are really underestimating how important it is for teens to appear 'cool'. Part of that is wearing the 'right' clothing. Teen pregnancy and sexual activity is down from 10 years ago. I would venture a guess that most of the girls wearing low riding pants and thongs and microskirts do so not because they are 'sluts' but because of the paralyzing fear that they will get laughed at for wearing clothes that look like their mothers'.

Don't get me wrong - I hate it, and despite my attempts to see teens naked on the internet, when I see it in person it disgusts me. But, I think the assumption that all girls who dress like that are sluts is a bit overreaching.

And for those of you bashing the parents, go try to buy clothing for girls that age/size that is not low cut. It is extremely difficult to find - everyone has their racks filled with the slutty looking stuff.

Its kind of funny, when I was in high school, the 'slutty' girls were the ones who wore tight designer jeans. After numerous dates, I found out this was not true in most cases.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Samdari
Most of you here are really underestimating how important it is for teens to appear 'cool'. Part of that is wearing the 'right' clothing. Teen pregnancy and sexual activity is down from 10 years ago. I would venture a guess that most of the girls wearing low riding pants and thongs and microskirts do so not because they are 'sluts' but because of the paralyzing fear that they will get laughed at for wearing clothes that look like their mothers'.Well, I'm well aware of that importance in their mind. However, at least where I am, there are plenty of "cool" and popular teenage girls who don't wear the low riding pants, thongs and microskirts. They don't *have* to dress that over-the-top to be cool.

I'm also fairly certain that there are plenty of girls who do dress that way who aren't easy, and probably some that are virgins. However, the guys I know perceive that *all* of them who dress that way are easy.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by CamEdwards

I'll continue to repeat what I've been saying all along. If you have no problem with your daughter intentionally showing off her ass crack, chest, or crotch, that's your right as a parent. I really don't understand your hostility towards people who might believe differently. Based on your arguments, however, you seem to be saying it's a bad thing to teach your child to resist peer pressure, because that can make them social outcasts.

In my opinion, parenting has very little to do with helping your kids become popular.


My "hostility" is towards the thinking of someone being a slut, just by the clothes they wear. That veers dangerously towards the thinking of a girl deserving to be raped, cause, hey, look at what she was wearing.

I'm also not talking about making your kid popular, I'm talking about helping your kid fit in. Because my kid always seems to be taking gymnastics, swimming or dance at the local HS, I don't see the extreme that is being talked about in the first post. I also haven't seen it at the many HS hockey games I attend in the winter. Low rise jeans are just the trend of the moment, I hardly think that makes the girls look like sluts, but to each their own I guess.

I'm trying to just let this topic go, I would suggest that those of you who haven't seen the movie, "The Accused" watch it and put yourself in her shoes or think of your wife/gf/sister in that spot and what you would do.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by SkyDog
I don't know about anyone else, but when I think of QuikSand, the first thing that comes to mind is panty-less teenage girls... :p

Is it because the logical opposite of "panty-less teenage girls" is "lecherous old men"? :D

SI

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by sterlingice
Is it because the logical opposite of "panty-less teenage girls" is "lecherous old men"? :D

SI

I thought KickStand was a computer - how can a computer be lecherous? ;)

[Anrhydeddu]

Cards, you are out of line. You bring up pedophiles and for each one, I will counter with thousands of selfless folks who have given their time, their resources and for some, their lives to make a difference in people's lives throughout the world. I will also counter with responsible parents and friends who can intelligently encourage positive values and behaviors instead of promoting self-centered and degrading values and behaviors.

QS: In all cases? I don't know but I do personally know of anecdotal evidence that there is a connection. It's about a destructive cycle of sin. If a teen's self-esteem (which is fragile enough already) starts in a downward cycle where he/she doesn't care about his/her body, what is put in it or how it is abused, then it could reach a point of not caring about life. It takes effort by those that care to turn that around and make a positive difference. That is why I keep emphasizing that. It is too easy to succumb to destructive behaviors, esp. from value-less peers and parents that either do nothing or even encourages that. It takes strength and courage to be different, not to do or go along with others, but the results will be more positive and fulfilling.

[Cards4ever]

Can we all sing Cumbaya now? That is before we go into the house behind the white picket fence and mom is there in her apron and I can smell the apple pie she made that day! I'm still blaming Elvis and those swiveling hips!

[CamEdwards]

Originally posted by Cards4ever
Can we all sing Cumbaya now? That is before we go into the house behind the white picket fence and mom is there in her apron and I can smell the apple pie she made that day! I'm still blaming Elvis and those swiveling hips!

This is what passes for intelligent debate when you're wrong. :)

[bigjdotcom01]

This a pretty interesting thread. In fact, I had almost the exact same convesation at a picnic on Sunday.

[QuikSand]

In response to my semi-rhetorical question...
Does this study demonstrate that youngsters are depressed because they are having sex? Do we know that the cause-effect relationship, if any, works in that direction?

Anrhydeddu responded thusly:
Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
QS: In all cases? I don't know but I do personally know of anecdotal evidence that there is a connection. It's about a destructive cycle of sin. If a teen's self-esteem (which is fragile enough already) starts in a downward cycle where he/she doesn't care about his/her body, what is put in it or how it is abused, then it could reach a point of not caring about life. It takes effort by those that care to turn that around and make a positive difference. That is why I keep emphasizing that. It is too easy to succumb to destructive behaviors, esp. from value-less peers and parents that either do nothing or even encourages that. It takes strength and courage to be different, not to do or go along with others, but the results will be more positive and fulfilling.

I don't find any fault with the assertion that there may well be a link between depression and sexual activity - but I'm not so sure that there's evidence that it's predominantly the sexual activity that leads to the depression. It may well be that the cause-and-effect relationship is happening in the other direction (the inference I hoped would be received from my original question).

When you say, as part of your argument, "If a teen's self-esteem starts in a downward cycle where he/she doesn't care about his/her body" - it seems to me that you are committing the logical fallacy of assuming your conclusion. You assume that the downward cycle begins with a lack of care about one's body and/or sex as part of defending that very position.

I think it might well be that in many cases, the downward cycle of self-esteem might start in completely other places-- the parental relationship, peer pressures, substance abuse, or any of the range of topics being discussed throughout this thread. Then, after the person is lacking in self-esteem, she may reach out to sex as an attempt to remedy these life problems. A young person, specifically a young girl, who decides to become sexually active under these circumstances might find a sense of "value" in that-- boys start to appreciate her, pay more attention to her-- and she might be likely to confuse that level of "attention" with the more desirable level of "appreciation" or "respect" or (most likely) 'love" that she might really seek. It's a very common malady, and premature sexual activity can certanly be a symptom, rather than a cause.

(I'd also note that much of the same can be said about dressing provocatively - it, too, generates a level of "attention" that might be confused for more genuine and benevolent emotions. I agree that there is a slipperly slope argument here.)

I'm not suggesting that I'm a fan of young girls making bad life decisions in this way. I'm just suggesting that when we see a "link" between two things, it's tempting to define the relationshuip the way that supports our beliefs. Often, it's not necessarily so, and I thnk this is such a case.

[Cards4ever]

Originally posted by CamEdwards
This is what passes for intelligent debate when you're wrong. :)

Well of course, cause we all know that you guys are always right. :)

[Ben E Lou]

Quik:

In my experience working with teenagers, you're spot-on. Sexual activity (and other reckless teenage behavior) is nearly always the result of something deeper going on. In most cases, an experienced youth worker can tell which kids are going to be partiers/drinkers/sexually active/etc. before they begin such acting out. (I'd imagine that this is also true for elementary and middle school teachers as well.)

[Anrhydeddu]

I guess I was not clear. There is a connection to any destructive behaviors (more than just teen sex but drug abuse, crime, etc.) and suicide. The behaviors are symptoms to the real problem but one would not readily engage in such behaviors if there was not a root, as Ben mentioned. I was only speaking from reverse engineering, which for some, is all we have to go on and what the study implies. I don't think I said that teen sex is the cause of suicide (nor do I think the study said that either), but it is evidence of something that could lead to suicide - much like a symptom is an indicator of a disease.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by QuikSand

(I'd also note that much of the same can be said about dressing provocatively - it, too, generates a level of "attention" that might be confused for more genuine and benevolent emotions. I agree that there is a slipperly slope argument here.)


Good post as usual, QS. The above section reminded me of a girl who was in my computer math class junior year (she was a senior, and was also my "Gym Night" partner). She usually dressed fairly standard, but one day she came in with tight, black pseudo-leather pants and a black leather jacket (not a lot of skin). The teacher (who had always reminded me of Sally Jesse-Rafael - boy, this teacher was a real trip) took this as a desperate plea for help and immediately sought to counsel her (she overreacted just a bit).

I never did figure out what the deal was with the outfit though. I had a mild crush on this girl as it was (cute/adorable/hot all rolled together), but for me, the outfit was jaw-dropping. She may have had confidence issues, I don't know. But it sure was curious.

[Anrhydeddu]

cuervo, think Grease. :)

[cuervo72]

Um, I have never actually seen Grease :rolleyes: . But it was that kind of outfit, now that you mention it.

Oh, for "Gym Night" (which was the HS extension of "Field Day") we were the "cheerleaders" (all grades could be partners on the cheerleading team), and were outfitted like genies. Talk about another fantasy :D

Ok, everyone can resume arguing again!

[Anrhydeddu]

Ok, everyone can resume arguing again!

Nah, sometimes I get too philosophical.

Back when I was in HS :rolleyes: , there was something called Slave Day (iirc) where girls (usually the popular ones like the cheerleaders) were put on an auction block (they volunteered) and anyone could bid on them and be a slave for the day. Me, being a nerd, just watched this from afar but I do recall some of the girls coming off crying because they didn't get won by a popular jock. There just seems to be many things that a teen went through, at least the more sociable ones (which wasn't me), but I can't imagine nowadays with its increased pressures, exposures (no pun intended) and interest in starting early.

[cuervo72]

Slave day...that's funny. I could imagine some of the girls being upset. I wonder what their thoughts were after the slave day...probably none of them changed much.

My problem was that I should have been popular, or was in some regards, but was too insecure to feel like I fit in. I think my shyness often was mistaken for aloofness. Oh, and the very few times I took any interest in a girl, it was the "secret admirer" route, which made me look like a complete idiot, damaging my confidence further.

Looking back, I should have had many more opportunities to date. The above example being one. Well, actually two. The girl who initially asked me to be her gym night partner might have had some interest in me, after all she did ask me to do that. For a while she mentioned not having a date for the senior prom (she was a year older than me), but I didn't know exactly how to ask/offer to go to her prom with her. This was also complicated (in my mind) by the fact that another of the "genies", one of her friends, asked me to the junior prom (I went with her). That didn't go anywhere either; we had a good time at the prom, but I didn't quite know what to do at the end - she drove me home in her van, and I basically just said, "ok, well, see you tomorrow" through the window. The next day we and a few of her friends went to Great Adventure (Six Flags), but the girls' behavior was strange, so the guys just hung out. I didn't really talk to her much after that.

I was pretty inept in HS.

[korme]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Quik:

In my experience working with teenagers, you're spot-on. Sexual activity (and other reckless teenage behavior)

Sexual behavior is reckless behavior?

[McSweeny]

Originally posted by Shorty3281
Sexual behavior is reckless behavior?

if not practiced safely it can be

[korme]

ok, then that makes sense

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by McSweeny
if not practiced safely it can be

As a reminder:
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9060

[Anrhydeddu]

Originally posted by McSweeny
if not practiced safely it can be

Assuming you would completely ignore the emotional consequences.

Shane, this is an alternative view to the popular "safe sex" culture
http://www.abstinence.net/

[CamEdwards]

Shorty,

Jacking off into your mom's underpants could be considered very reckless, especially if she catches you. :)

[sabotai]

"Jacking off into your mom's underpants could be considered very reckless, especially if she catches you. "

Somethign tells me Cam knows this by first-hand experience....but I seriously don't want to know about it.

[CamEdwards]

first hand experience with Shorty's mom's underpants...

I was making reference to another thread, actually. :)

[ISiddiqui]

Let me join the crowd ;).

Females that dress 'provacatively' know what they are doing. They aren't doing it to be 'cool', they are doing it to catch the eye of a guy. I would say that they probably know what the guys are thinking when they see her in her obviously provacative clothing (they want to screw her). You have to be naive if you don't think that guys look at these women and don't think 'slut'. Maybe it is wrong, but that's the way it is. And those women will attract a certain kind of guy, who doesn't respect her for her mind, but simply treats her as a plaything.

The 'normal' guy, who is into having a relationship and treating a woman with respect isn't going to think about going after a woman dressed provacatively. Usually in his mind, he is also thinking she is a slut, and thus doesn't have anything to offer mentally to a relationship.

Maybe it ain't fair, but that's the way it is.

It's kinda similar to African-Americans who dress like gangsta's. They might be very nice people, but they are looked at in a different way. It may not be fair, but that is the way it is... and I think those that dress and look that way know the stereotype.

edit: That isn't to say they deserve rape at all! What I am saying is that women dressing in these ways usually attract a type of man who isn't interested in them for much other than sex.

[Jersey_Girl]

Um ok thais is a guys web site but who cares...ok not all girls are like that....only the really preppy girls are...I hate the preppy girls...and trust since I'm a 15 year old girl I have rights to say what I want...and plus it's the parents fault for letting them dress like that and buy other stuff like that...it's mostly Hollister and Aeropostal who sell stuff like that because I buy from American Eagle only and I wear jeans no matter how hot it is...and moms who let their daughters wear thongs at the age of like 13 are crazy I mean I stated at 14 but at least I didn't show mine.....and plus guys just think about them selfs not the girls feelings and just want to get laid which is what most guys talk about....and people who smoke are not kool cause I know a couple of 14 year olds who smoke and I don't hang around them

[st.cronin]

Um ok thais is a guys web site but who cares...ok not all girls are like that....only the really preppy girls are...I hate the preppy girls...and trust since I'm a 15 year old girl I have rights to say what I want...and plus it's the parents fault for letting them dress like that and buy other stuff like that...it's mostly Hollister and Aeropostal who sell stuff like that because I buy from American Eagle only and I wear jeans no matter how hot it is...and moms who let their daughters wear thongs at the age of like 13 are crazy I mean I stated at 14 but at least I didn't show mine.....and plus guys just think about them selfs not the girls feelings and just want to get laid which is what most guys talk about....and people who smoke are not kool cause I know a couple of 14 year olds who smoke and I don't hang around them

qft, or something

[MrBigglesworth]

I wonder what term she put into google in order to find this three and a half year old thread?

[dj_morton]

I wonder what term she put into google in order to find this three and a half year old thread?


Haha

[CU Tiger]

Did anyone else just read that and immediately go back to the Pauly Shore valley girl impression....

Twirling hair around a finger and blowing a bubble...Like D'uh Okay?