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QuikSand
08-01-2003, 02:42 PM
We've done stuff like this before - since so many people seem to be clock-watching, let's try another round. And we'll make this a little more complicated.

Your goal: use the assigned set of numbers, along with any combination of arithmetic operations, to get to a total as close as possible to the target number(s).

For each set, you must use all these numbers:

6, 7, 19, 21, and 57

You may use these functions:

+, -, x, / = obvious
parentheses or brackets as needed

You may not just press numbers together into one larger numeral (e.g. 6 and 7 into 67)

You may not use exponents (too easy to compress something to zero that way)

You may not use factorials


Let's see... for the puzzle, let's set the target number at 50 to start with. If anyone hits that on the nose, then we'll let that person set a new target number, and we'll go from there. Or, if we agree that we can't hit a number on the button - we'll go with the closest we could find, and that person sets the next target.

50 it is.


(edit - disallow exponents, and factorials)

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 02:45 PM
Hmmm...

57 - (21/6) - (19/7) = ~50.79

We can probably do better...

Franklinnoble
08-01-2003, 02:45 PM
Are you a math teacher or something?

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 02:47 PM
Something.

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 02:47 PM
...or didn't I understand the question properly?

Celeval
08-01-2003, 02:47 PM
Just to set a target:

(57+21+19) - (7*6) = 55


Nevermind, forgot QuickSand was MathGod. :)

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 02:50 PM
This gets us pretty darned close... but also exposes a potential weakness in the game.

(57-7)+(6/(19^21))

This rounds to 50 in Excel... maybe we need to drop the ability to use powers?

EDITED above - no exponents.

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Celeval
Nevermind, forgot QuickSand (sic) was MathGod.

Naw, just got a head start.

panerd
08-01-2003, 02:51 PM
6/19/21 + 57 - 7 = 50.015...

dacman
08-01-2003, 02:53 PM
57 - (7!/6!) + (19^-21) = ~50.0000000000000000000000000001

Yeah, exponents make it too easy.

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 02:54 PM
Hmmmm... maybe we'll need to dump the factorials also... also make it too easy to use fewer of the terms.

Sorry - seems to be a work in progress.

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 02:55 PM
Anyone else ready to concede to panerd on 50?

panerd
08-01-2003, 02:57 PM
57/19 x 21 - 7 - 6 = 50 exactly

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 02:58 PM
Nicely done. Pick the next target number.

dacman
08-01-2003, 02:58 PM
No reason you couldn't do something like:

6/19!/21! + 57 - 7 = ~ 50 + 1*10^-9999999999999999999999

panerd
08-01-2003, 02:58 PM
Same numbers, different target or new numbers?

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by panerd
Same numbers, different target or new numbers?

Same numbers, different target - for now, at least.

(The 57/19 = 3 is unfortunate, I think)

dacman
08-01-2003, 03:00 PM
My rule when I ran something similar is that the answer must be an integer -- it prevents a lot of the silliness above.

panerd
08-01-2003, 03:00 PM
Allright, lets go with 100 as the target.

panerd
08-01-2003, 03:03 PM
7 x 6 + 57 + 21 - 19 = 101

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:05 PM
57+(7*6)+(21/19) = 100.1053

Franklinnoble
08-01-2003, 03:06 PM
I have to stop reading this thread... I feel like Forrest Gump in a room full of Einsteins.

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:08 PM
Anyone beating that 100.1053 ?

panerd
08-01-2003, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by QuikSand
57+(7*6)+(21/19) = 100.1053

If you switch the 21/19 to 19/21 you get just a little bit closer. There has got to be a way to get exactly 100 using 10^2 somehow.

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:11 PM
Good catch, panerd:

57+(6*7)+(19/21) = ~99.90476

lurker
08-01-2003, 03:11 PM
6 x 7 + 57 + 7 - 6 = 100

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by lurker
6 x 7 + 57 + 7 - 6 = 100

A couple too many each of 6 and 7, not enough of 19 and 21.

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:14 PM
Well... I'll set the new target, and we'll go from there.

If anyone can hit 100 on the nose - they're welcome to keep working on it. Prize is ... uh... they get to pick a new set of five numbers to work with in bulding.



For now:

Use 6,7,19,21 and 57 to make... 88.

lurker
08-01-2003, 03:15 PM
Whoops, sorry, I knew I didn't read the rules well enough!

digamma
08-01-2003, 03:17 PM
(21-7)*6+(57/19)=87

Radii
08-01-2003, 03:17 PM
57+21+7+(19/6) = ~88.16667

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:18 PM
Radii beat me to mine... best I've got so far.

digamma
08-01-2003, 03:19 PM
(19-6)*7+(57/21)=88.2857

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:22 PM
Weird one:

57+(21*19)/(7+6) = ~87.69231

...not a winner, but strangely close.

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:24 PM
Maybe we should put a time limit on each set? Ten minutes (marked by the board timer) and we move on?

digamma
08-01-2003, 03:25 PM
Time limit would be good.

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:26 PM
Okay - Radii, you're on for the next target number.

Ten minutes apiece from here on out. I'm good for about three more, as I watch the clock...

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:29 PM
Okay, Radii has drifted to the dynasty section.

Here's our new target number: 600

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:32 PM
(57*(19-6))-(21*7) = 594

Doubtful that's a winner, but it's something.

panerd
08-01-2003, 03:32 PM
(21 + 19) x (7 + 6) + 57 = 577

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:39 PM
(57*6)+(21*(19-7)) = 594

Masked
08-01-2003, 03:39 PM
(57-7)*6*(21-19) = 600

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Masked
(57-7)*6*(21-19) = 600

Good heavens that was easy.

You're up.

VPI97
08-01-2003, 03:40 PM
(6 + 7 + 19 - 21) * 57 = 627

Edit - Yeah, 627 was close... :(

Masked
08-01-2003, 03:41 PM
Same numbers: 6, 7, 19, 21, 57

Target: 257

panerd
08-01-2003, 03:41 PM
Here I am trying to find ways to get the other four numbers to equal 28.5 so I can multiply by 21 and there is a way to get exactly 600!

digamma
08-01-2003, 03:44 PM
(57-7)*6-(21+19)=260

panerd
08-01-2003, 03:47 PM
(6 + (7/21)) ^ (57/19) = 254.03

A little closer than 260. :)

Masked
08-01-2003, 03:48 PM
(19-7)*21+57/6 = 261.5

Masked
08-01-2003, 03:49 PM
(19-6)*21-57/7 = 254.8571

better

Masked
08-01-2003, 03:51 PM
better still

(21-7)*19-57/6 = 256.5

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:51 PM
Just FYI - We have amended the original rules - no exponents....

Masked
08-01-2003, 03:53 PM
Any other entries (QS has been quiet)?

QuikSand
08-01-2003, 03:58 PM
I got called away on work stuff... and now am out for the evening. Enjoy.

Masked
08-01-2003, 04:00 PM
Alright I'll put up another and see if they is anyone else around

new numbers!!!! (getting tired of the old ones)

2 5 11 29 43

target: 191

panerd
08-01-2003, 04:03 PM
(43 + 5 - 29 - 2) x 11 = 187

tucker342
08-01-2003, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by Franklinnoble
I have to stop reading this thread... I feel like Forrest Gump in a room full of Einsteins.

same here...

henry296
08-01-2003, 04:15 PM
(43*5)-2+11-29 = 195

lurker
08-01-2003, 04:15 PM
Never mind. Need to learn how to read.

lurker
08-01-2003, 04:20 PM
43 * 5 - (29 / 2) - 11 = 189.5

Masked
08-01-2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by lurker
43 * 5 - (29 / 2) - 11 = 189.5

You may not be able to read but your math seems fine. You get the next one.

lurker
08-01-2003, 04:25 PM
137

Heh, and I'm supposed to be studying now -- doing math.

Masked
08-01-2003, 04:27 PM
First try: (43-29)*11-5*2 = 144

VPI97
08-01-2003, 04:29 PM
Edit - I suck more than I thought

lurker
08-01-2003, 04:30 PM
43 * 5 - 29 - (5*11) + 2 = 133

lurker
08-01-2003, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by VPI97
57 - 19 + 6 * (21/7) = 132

That's as close as I've gotten on any of these numbers



i.e. I suck.

We have new numbers this round (2, 5, 11, 29, 43). That's what I missed too on my earlier post when I said I couldn't read.

lurker
08-01-2003, 04:43 PM
Want to pick another one, Ronnie Dobbs?

Buzzbee
08-01-2003, 04:53 PM
((11 +2)*5) + 29 + 43 = 137

New target = 211

TredWel
08-01-2003, 04:58 PM
(29*5)+(11*2)+43=210 is my first shot.

TredWel
08-01-2003, 05:05 PM
Dola,

(29 + (5 * 11)) * 2 + 43 = 211.

New target: 173

lurker
08-01-2003, 05:07 PM
43 * 5 - 29 - 2 - 11 = 173

New Target : 40

Masked
08-01-2003, 05:18 PM
29+(43/11)+5+2 = 39.909

TredWel
08-01-2003, 05:19 PM
((43 - 29) + (11 - 5)) * 2 = 40

New Target: 201

sterlingice
08-01-2003, 05:52 PM
(43-11+2)*5 + 29 = 199