What's my line?

[GrantDawg]

A person that has been in preaching for 10 years, with a BA in Bible, and only Dominoe's pizza managment experience outside of that. What job field could he get into paying $40-50,000 a year?

[Fritz]

hired killer

[mrskippy]

college degree
food service experience
management experience
$40,000 to $50,000 a year

McDonald's Manager???

Actually you need only a college degree. I looked into it, but never followed up. I'd eat through my paycheck.

[thealmighty]

Fledgling porn star, perhaps.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by thealmighty
Fledgling porn star, perhaps.


thealmighty has called me to be a porn star. Do you think my wife would buy it? Naaaaa...I'd hate the hours. :)

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by Fritz
hired killer

I like people too much to kill them. Well, there are some exceptions.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by mrskippy
college degree
food service experience
management experience
$40,000 to $50,000 a year

McDonald's Manager???

Actually you need only a college degree. I looked into it, but never followed up. I'd eat through my paycheck.

Yeah, I hoped for something a little better. Preferably 9-5 or so with no teenagers involved.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by GrantDawg
I like people too much to kill them. Well, there are some exceptions.

start with those people and see if you have a taste* for the job.

*by taste I mean a liking. However, if you chose to eat your assignments there might be bonus pay involved. You could probably come up with a creative alias based on "oral" with the eating/preacher thing.

[bbor]

Originally posted by GrantDawg
[B What job field could he get into paying $40-50,000 a year? [/B]

If you find one of these lemme know...i want in :D

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by Fritz
start with those people and see if you have a taste* for the job.

*by taste I mean a liking. However, if you chose to eat your assignments there might be bonus pay involved. You could probably come up with a creative alias based on "oral" with the eating/preacher thing.

Hey, Fritz, why don't you come over for dinner some night. I'm having a special dish with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by GrantDawg
Hey, Fritz, why don't you come over for dinner some night. I'm having a special dish with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

you are going to need to develop your own identity if you want to get into the $40k range.

[mrskippy]

Actually GrantDawg, if you come to California, you might be able to land an In-N-Out management job. They make twice as much as McDonald's. I believe starting wage is $90,000, with some into six figures. And if you become a district manager, than it's 9-5.

And with the BA in Bible, you'd fit right into the In-N-Out culture.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by mrskippy
Actually GrantDawg, if you come to California, you might be able to land an In-N-Out management job. They make twice as much as McDonald's. I believe starting wage is $90,000, with some into six figures. And if you become a district manager, than it's 9-5.

And with the BA in Bible, you'd fit right into the In-N-Out culture.

What's a In-N-Out? Sounds like one of the other suggestions. :)

If I were going to do food service, it would probably be Chick-fil-a.

[mrskippy]

In-N-Out is only the best hamburger chain in California. And unlike the competition they don't fill the menu with other crap. Burgers, fries, cokes, and shakes. :D

It's also the highest paying fast food chain in the country. Rank-and-file starts at $9 and goes up from there. Plus benefits. The employees are not your ordinary fast food workers. Many people strive to climb the corporate ladder. There are people who started at the company minimum for rank-and-file and have worked into management, making over $100K a year. People stick with the company.

[bbor]

Originally posted by mrskippy
In-N-Out is only the best hamburger chain in California. And unlike the competition they don't fill the menu with other crap. Burgers, fries, cokes, and shakes. :D

It's also the highest paying fast food chain in the country. Rank-and-file starts at $9 and goes up from there. Plus benefits. The employees are not your ordinary fast food workers. Many people strive to climb the corporate ladder. There are people who started at the company minimum for rank-and-file and have worked into management, making over $100K a year. People stick with the company.

This sounds like an intersting concept on Fast food...anyone have a link for these guys...or some articles based on the company?

[mrskippy]

Well, now that you ask.

Hold on and I'll dig it up for you.

:D

[mrskippy]

Fresh wrinkle

In-N-Out thrives without freezers

By Brian McClimans

MORE THAN a hundred people streamed through the doors and cars packed the drive-thru during lunch hour Thursday at In-N-Out Burger in Pleasanton.

It's a common scene at most of the hamburger chain's 149 restaurants -- and the crowds are usually there from open to close.

Why all the madness for a fast-food hamburger?

"It's good food, and they're fast," said Danica Bannister, a Tracy resident who has been eating at In-N-Out for two years. "Everything's fresh."

Berkeley resident Evan Hopewell has been eating at In-N-Out for several months because of the restaurant's "simplicity." He'd heard of the restaurant before and knew about its knack for quality.

Word of mouth also has helped the In-N-Out chain. One first-time visitor was amazed at the food and service.

"My daughter was here before and said, 'You've got to go there,'" said Monique Lapierre, who was visiting from Canada.

A recognized name, solid reputation, and strong customer loyalty is what first prompted In-N-Out to expand into Northern California, after more than three decades as a Southern California mainstay.

The Irvine-based company opened its first Northern California restaurant in 1992 with a shop in Modesto. Since that time they've popped up in Tracy, Livermore, Pleasanton, San Ramon, Milpitas and elsewhere around the Bay.

And early indications are that the expansion will continue, said Bob Lang Jr., the Northern California regional manager for In-N-Out. The company's existing restaurants are constantly packed and typically feature long lines at the drive-thru.

"We've really started spreading ourselves all around Northern California," Lang said. "We had a lot of our customers that really wanted us to expand to Northern California. We felt like it would really be a good market for us."

At first the locations were spread out, but that's changing as the company fills in the gaps. Even with the growth, In-N-Out won't build as many restaurants as its competitors, Lang said.

"We're really trying to find the best available sites for us," Lang said.

In-N-Out believes there is plenty of room to expand in the East Bay and in other parts of the Bay Area. It has a second store under construction in Mountain View.

Soon it'll be expanding into San Francisco, when construction begins on a restaurant at Fisherman's Wharf.

"That will be our first venture into the city and we're really looking forward to that," Lang said. "It'll be a different store for us. We won't be able to have a drive-thru."

The location will make use of an existing building. Construction crews are expected to start making renovations soon, Lang said.

"We really prefer to have a drive-thru. The drive-thru was really where it all began," Lang said.

The original In-N-Out, which opened in 1948 in Baldwin Park, only had a drive-thru. It was the first in California to make use of the two-way speaker.

Other locations poised to get an In-N-Out are Union City, Pittsburg and Antioch. The In-N-Out real estate team is looking for the best sites from Sacramento to San Jose. The company opens up to 12 stores a year and around five of those are in Northern California.

"I see us having several more locations in the future," Lang said.

A disclaimer on the In-N-Out Web site says it all: "In-N-Out Burger is not a franchise organization."

And it likely won't be anytime soon. It has been owned by one family since it was founded by Harry and Esther Snyder in 1948. The Snyder family owns all 149 stores.

Harry's son, Guy Snyder is the chairman and chief executive officer and Esther is the president. Harry Snyder died in 1976, but his beliefs have been the cornerstone for the company, Lang said.

"His philosophy was to serve the freshest ingredients he could, along with having great customer service," Lang said.

The family believes the only way to live up to those ideals is to expand slowly and hire the best people possible.

"The philosophy of the Snyders has been to keep growth (limited) in order to have the quality of product maintained, along with the development of people," Lang said.

Managers are usually hired from within the company.

"The managers are treated as if they are owners," Lang said. "(Harry) wanted people who are running his stores to be like partners."

In-N-Out offers profit sharing to its managers and pays more than other fast food restaurants, Lang said. The company has created loyalty among its ranks and some workers have been with the company more than 45 years.

"We've always paid more," Lang said. "In particular, our Bay Area stores are starting at $9.25 an hour."

Hourly pay can reach as high as $12.25 for employees who stay with the company. The pay goes up even more when those longtime employees become manager. Average salary for a manager is $90,000 -- even higher in the Bay Area, Lang said.

"We've got a pretty unique culture," Lang said. "Our average manager has been with us over 10 years."

One reason In-N-Out isn't opening stores faster has to do with how the company serves its food.

In-N-Out delivers fresh food to its restaurants every other day. Produce and dry products are shipped from a distribution center in Tracy, while meat is trucked in every morning from Southern California.

"Its one of the factors of our growth," Lang said. "We want (the food) to be fresh."

French fries are made several times a day from fresh, whole potatoes. Milk shakes are made using real ice cream. Burgers are cooked to order. There are no freezers. Food is kept fresh for two days in a refrigerator.

"We do have a basic menu -- burger, fries, drinks," Lang said. "Even though its really limited, really every burger we cook is a custom burger because we make them the way the customer wants."

[QuikSand]

As an infrequent visitor to the West Coast...

In-N-Out Burger is unbelievably good fast food.

[sooner333]

Best fast food hamburger on the market...bar none. I just wish they had them here.

[CAsterling]

Originally posted by GrantDawg
A person that has been in preaching for 10 years, with a BA in Bible, and only Dominoe's pizza managment experience outside of that. What job field could he get into paying $40-50,000 a year?

I hate to point this out but you sound over qualified for Management in the Computer Industry - it would pay well, but requires a frontal lobotomy on your first day in the job.

How about Public Relations.

[ctmason]

Grant,

Why has your situation changed, i.e. why are you looking for a new job, if you don't mind me asking?

[Bad-example]

Originally posted by QuikSand
As an infrequent visitor to the West Coast...

In-N-Out Burger is unbelievably good fast food.

Believe it.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by ctmason
Grant,

Why has your situation changed, i.e. why are you looking for a new job, if you don't mind me asking?

I've been preaching for ten years. There has been much that I really enjoyed about the work, but there has been much to dislike. I really came to the point a few years ago that I was going to have to do something else. I was preaching at medium-sized congregation and doing quite well, but my heart wasn't there.

I had started to look for different work when I heard about a congregation in my hometown that was on the brink of closing it doors. They wanted someone to come in and help them build a new building and help with church growth (which I've been very successful with in the past). I figured that it would be perfect to rejuvenate me, and get me back closer to family for my wife and daughters sake. I knew six-months in that I had made a mistake.

I've been here two years, and we still haven't broken ground (which was supposed to happen in 6 months of me getting here). We still don't even have the permits (the ones we put in for in January). The leadership of the congregation had pretty much ignored anything I have suggested, and basically pat my head and say "cute kid."

Example: We still have the old sign that was moved over from the old property. It looks bad. It is sitting where it is hard to see from the road, and it still has the last preachers name on it. Now, I don't care about having my name on the sign, but it is confusing for people who might be looking for the congregation and knows that I'm supposed to be the preacher. I have been begging from day 1 to get a new sign, and all I get is "oh, they are so expensive. Oh, we'll only have to get a new sign when the new building is built," etc. Two years= no new sign

Then suddenly a visitor came in last week. She went to the treasure (who had been holding up the sign) and said "who is this guy you have on the sign? Why isn't the sign visible from the road?" And basically all the things I've been saying since I got here. Guess what the treasurer brought in tonight? A new sign. I beg for two years for something that is basically essential for the church, and it falls on deaf ears. A visitor walks in the door and says two words and "ta-da!" A new sign appears.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. Anyway, I'm in burn-out, and I really need to do something else.

[CamEdwards]

Grant,

Have you considered doing something at a college? Public relations, or even teaching at a smaller bible college somewhere?

[Buccaneer]

Consider:

http://www.injoystewardship.com/templates/default620e.html?id=21383

They are out of Atlanta.

[ctmason]

Second Buccaneer's idea. I had a friend who used to work at InJoy and she loved it. They do a variety of work. Give them a call.

[Buccaneer]

I had known at least 3 folks working at InJoy, coming out of founder John Maxwell's congregation in San Diego. With your emphasis in stewardship (which had always been my ministry focus back when I had time to do stuff like that), this could be a good fit.

[GrantDawg]

Thanks for the ideas.

[FBPro]

Check your PM.

[GrantDawg]

Thanks, FBPro.

Let me ask everyone this, has any of you ever done car sales? Is it real difficult to be succesfull? It seems like it would be a big risk, but pontentially could be a high reward kind of job (and then there is the fact I love cars. I would love a job helping people find cars and negotiating the best deals for them, but I can't find that job).

[condors]

car salesman=bad hours, there is money to be made but not be people just starting out they may tell you a figure, don't expect to make that, you WANT to work all day saturday sunday and weekday evenings as that is when working people look for cars course it ruins any free time you have, expect to start in used cars and check your conscience at the door espcially if your friendly with the mechanics