Anybody play...

[tucker rocky]

WES(World Elite Soccer)? Looked at the waiting list, *shocked* people waiting since 8-3, season should be over soon,maybe some teams will open. Would like some feedback on WES to see if its worth trying out. Figured I post this here since it's soccer related.

[tucker rocky]

Quote by daedalus:"I like the strategic aspect of WES but, again, that leads to there being less people in WES than Hattrick." "Less", this should answer my ? about waiting list. Too many people waiting for teams.

[daedalus]

Season just ended. Next season should be starting soon.

As for the "less" people part . . . think about it: there are 8 regions in WES, each with 4 divisions of 14 teams. Total of 448 teams available. Take a look at some of the waiting lists for Hattrick . . . yeah, there's going to be a wait even though there are less people looking at or playing WES.

It's a very different game than Hattrick. Maybe bbor or Ally can give different perspectives on it.

[Nyarlahotep]

I didn't care for it much. I don't like not having my own youth squad, so I have to enter a lottery with 50+ other people for any decent player that ends up on the market.

[damnMikeBrown]

Well hell. A lottery would at least give me a visible shot at a decent youth, as opposed to the crap HT system.

[bbor]

I enjoy WES.....I like all these different football sims for different reason....The excitment of signing a new FA in WES is great...the ability to make trades is cool too.

[Nyarlahotep]

It's been a while since I logged on, but isn't the transfer market the same way? If it was just the new, young players that were in lotteries I would probably still play. But, my team sucks and every decent player on the market had at least 40 bids, which from what I understood, were all entered into a lottery. It wasn't like I could offer an insane contract and be assured of getting the player, all I could do would adjust the length of the contract, which didn't seem to make a difference in being placed into the lottery.

[bbor]

Transfer market and FA market are run the same way..VIA a lottery...But you can trade players directly to another team which you cannot do in hattie.

[Nyarlahotep]

It's not like my team is stacked with talent at any position. I would have to give up talent to get talent which doesn't help me. The trading feature is nice, but having 40 mil in unused salary and not being able to get one decent player after three weeks on bidding on every single one that came along outweighs that little plus. It would be great if trades were easy in HT, but at least I know that if I have a ton of money on any given day I can go out and buy a player that will help my team.

[TargetPractice6]

Heh, the HT waiting list in Sweden is insane. I'd imagine it's atleast a year :)

[damnMikeBrown]

In a similar vein, I'm interested in other on-line games similar to HT. I like HT for it's vast number of users. I don't like it for it's insane randomness.

I tried ManagerZone and didn't take to it. I tried CSFBL but lost interest as our league disintegrated. I played Franchise Basketball, but there was so much advantage to the paying players, that it just was no fun. There was also little opportunity to improve in that game.

I'm looking for:
1) Large user base
2) some sort of youth development system that's "fair"
3) a workable financial system
4) any sport

Suggestions?

[tucker rocky]

Maybe HT can venture into baseball. They could have a farm system to develop players, not just a random roll like youth pulls. Have spring training, weekly training, and 80 game schedule, yearly contracts, trades(2,3,4 team), free agent players, and a salary cap(to prevent the Yankee Syndrome). Thats all I can think of right now.

[Havok]

Originally posted by damnMikeBrown
2) some sort of youth development system that's "fair"

I second that

[vex]

Originally posted by damnMikeBrown
In a similar vein, I'm interested in other on-line games similar to HT. I like HT for it's vast number of users. I don't like it for it's insane randomness.

I tried ManagerZone and didn't take to it. I tried CSFBL but lost interest as our league disintegrated. I played Franchise Basketball, but there was so much advantage to the paying players, that it just was no fun. There was also little opportunity to improve in that game.

I'm looking for:
1) Large user base
2) some sort of youth development system that's "fair"
3) a workable financial system
4) any sport

Suggestions?


I played the exact same three games and came away still looking as well.

[bbor]

So basically the problem you guys have with WES is that it's not Hattrick.

[daedalus]

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
It's been a while since I logged on, but isn't the transfer market the same way? If it was just the new, young players that were in lotteries I would probably still play. But, my team sucks and every decent player on the market had at least 40 bids, which from what I understood, were all entered into a lottery. It wasn't like I could offer an insane contract and be assured of getting the player, all I could do would adjust the length of the contract, which didn't seem to make a difference in being placed into the lottery.There is not 'transfer market' a la Hattrick, per se. The ONLY way you'll get new players without giving up one is via Free Agency. (The other way of acquiring players is via trades but that requires giving up players.) I agree, length of contract doesn't seem to make a difference in the lottery.

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
It's not like my team is stacked with talent at any position. I would have to give up talent to get talent which doesn't help me. The trading feature is nice, but having 40 mil in unused salary and not being able to get one decent player after three weeks on bidding on every single one that came along outweighs that little plus. It would be great if trades were easy in HT, but at least I know that if I have a ton of money on any given day I can go out and buy a player that will help my team.Unlike Hattrick, "talent" can be deceiving. When I got my team and up until a season ago, my team was ranked last in WES. Yup, last. After the win in my last league game, I'm promoting to D3 next season. I still have a number of the same players to go with a few new players.

One big reason for this has to do with my defensive crew. 2 of my holdovers joined with a spare that bbor didn't need allowed my team to play a 3-5-2 and generate more offense. Of my 3 defenders, Max Gale, a holdover, is the best rated and the "star" of the group. He's rated 3 in air challenges, 1 in ground challenges, 4 for creative, 0 for discipline, 3 in each speed and strength and 2 for range. Akira Yoshida, the defender bbor sent over, is rated 5 for air, 1 for ground, 3 for creative, 0 for discipline (apparently, I have an undiscipline lot) and 3 and 4 for speed and strength, respectively, with a range rating of 1. Another holdover, Akinori Yonai, completes the trio, and his ratings are 2 for air, 1 for ground, 4 for creative, 2 for discipline (someone with discipline!), 2 for speed, 3 for strength to go with 3 for range. Gale looks like the best of the lot with good but not great ratings. Yoshida also looks pretty good in the air but, at best, pedestrian on the ground. Yonai's defensive ratings are pretty meager, except for a high creative rating. Yet they all posted 75%+ in challenge percentage (you want 65+ from your defenders so that you aren't getting killed in your third of the field). So, just because a player isn't rated like a stud, they may still be good players. WES' ratings aren't "absolute".

[PilotMan]

Originally posted by damnMikeBrown
In a similar vein, I'm interested in other on-line games similar to HT. I like HT for it's vast number of users. I don't like it for it's insane randomness.

I tried ManagerZone and didn't take to it. I tried CSFBL but lost interest as our league disintegrated. I played Franchise Basketball, but there was so much advantage to the paying players, that it just was no fun. There was also little opportunity to improve in that game.

I'm looking for:
1) Large user base
2) some sort of youth development system that's "fair"
3) a workable financial system
4) any sport

Suggestions?

I have played the others as well. The only other game that I get remotely the same satisfaction out of if SimSports College Basketball. Sort of a poor man's Hattrick, but has no finacials at all. Recruiting is challenging, as well as , determining what your best lineup might be. Leages of 256 teams, a season is played in about 8 weeks with games M/W/F.

[damnMikeBrown]

I gave up on the college BB game after 2 seasons. The first season, I got my friend involved. He was 100% clueless, and he won the tournament. He never did a thing.

My recruiting that year. . I led on 2 guys, tied for lead on 2 or 3..been a long time, don't remember exactly. I didn't get any of them. Next season, I got like 1 guy I recruited. I wasn't going after super blue-chippers either.

It's been years, literally, since I played it. Perhaps they got their poop together.

[daedalus]

Originally posted by damnMikeBrown
In a similar vein, I'm interested in other on-line games similar to HT. I like HT for it's vast number of users. I don't like it for it's insane randomness.

I tried ManagerZone and didn't take to it. I tried CSFBL but lost interest as our league disintegrated. I played Franchise Basketball, but there was so much advantage to the paying players, that it just was no fun. There was also little opportunity to improve in that game.I have a ManagerZone team. Haven't really taken to it. I can't tell what I'm doing right or wrong. The user interface blows. I can't stand the fact that players have ratings cap but you don't get to know what it is. Really like the stadium upgrade (hee hee) and the graphical tactic, though.

CSFBL has some good ideas but I really can't stand the fact that I can't trade. Really kills the game for me. Their handling of pitchers is also kinda whacked. Really too bad because I dig baseball and baseball games.I'm looking for:
1) Large user base
2) some sort of youth development system that's "fair"
3) a workable financial system
4) any sport

Suggestions?Can't speak for other games but as far as WES goes:

1) Depends on what you mean by 'large'. It certainly doesn't have a Hattrick user base but there's a couple of hundred players there.

2) There's no "youth" squad in WES. Throughout the season (more so at the beginning, obviously), free agents becomes available. You have the same chance to sign them as anybody. Player development is tied to playing time. You choose a particular offensive or defensive ratings to work on. After a time, they improve. Don't expect Hattrick's kind of improvement, though. More like a point or two during the season. Although, your players may "gain" or "lose" more as their scouted ratings become more accurate.

3) Each players are assigned a "value". The contract that player signs is equal to their "value" at the time you sign them or renew their contract. If I'm not mistaken, everybody has a maximum roster budget of 95 000 000.

4) Sadly, it's soccer. :D

Things I like about WES:

1) The strategic aspect is more involved and in depth than Hattrick. Player's positioning changes where your team's strength in number is and you can determine where and how you attack.

2) I really like the fact that the ratings are not "what you see is what it is". For example, I have a striker who's rated 5 at finishing (ratings goes 0-5, 5 being highest). I was just discussing with someone who's a WES-veteran and we pretty much agree that, based on his on-goal results, he's probably closer to a 3 than a 5.

Things I don't like about WES:

1) No youth pull, dammit! :D

2) The financial aspect is fairly thin. I mean, I could be in D1 and I'd have a 95 000 000 roster fund. Or I could be in D4 and I'd still have the same. Meh!