Another Team Spirit Question

[TheTrainisComming]

Hey just curious if I PIC the next 2-3 games will I hit POE right now I am at content.

or betterasked does anyone know how long it will take me to get to POE?

[RPI-Fan]

2 games won't get you there - 3 probably would have you at a low POE.

[TheTrainisComming]

Originally posted by RPI-Fan
2 games won't get you there - 3 probably would have you at a low POE.

ok and from ther will I slowly move back to content?
or if I stay normal will I hover there?

[HeavyReign]

It will fall if you use normal. At this point the best you could do is hit POE right after the league match but then it would still fall back to delirious before you played the next league match. It is much easier to hit and stay at POE when you are still in the cup because then you have the midweek match to help raise team spirit. Right now it falls too much during the week.

[TheTrainisComming]

Originally posted by HeavyReign
It will fall if you use normal. At this point the best you could do is hit POE right after the league match but then it would still fall back to delirious before you played the next league match. It is much easier to hit and stay at POE when you are still in the cup because then you have the midweek match to help raise team spirit. Right now it falls too much during the week.

ok then to recap it will take 3 weeks to hit POE, but the best I can expect come game tile is delerious.

would it even matter if I PICed 4 weeks in a row? ( I'm at the cakewalk part of my scheduel)

[RPI-Fan]

Here's what I think will happen.

You'll go from 6, to 8 after the first PIC. During the week you'll drop to 7. Then after the next PIC you'll be at 9. It'll drop to 8 or so. The third week will put you at around 10 (POE). After that you'll drop back.

It's pretty much a two steps forward, one step back thing.

[thesloppy]

This is interesting stuff. TS is one of the aspects of HT I've pretty much ignored throughout my time w/Hattrick. I finished 4th in my D.V series in my first season last year, and as things are pretty tight in my series, I've never felt confident enough in my team against a lesser competitor, while also always hoping for that miracle upset against my league leaders, meaning I've never PiC'ed a game. Not surprisingly, my TS has rarely strayed from composed (hey, I lose a lot, and for awhile my team leader was controversial)

A question to go along with the above is: How do wins/losses effect TS? I know they effect confidence, but is there a similar effect to TS?

I assume from the above that TS reacts like form, and content is the midpoint that it always fluctuates towards (if no action is taken to alter it), correct?

Oh! another: What effect does a clown have on the formulas outlined above? Slow the decrease rate, and raise the increase rate? If so, is it a noticible increase, like, could he cause you to plateau, rather than decrease midweek?

Thanks in advance.

[Havok]

well, I think TS is a sewrious pain in the ass this year. Now that im out of the cup, i can't even seem to play a game with Delirous TS. I hit POE then drop all the way to Satisfied before my next league game.

I have a sympathetic/solid team leader and a coach with inadequate leadership. Its starting to piss me off, im not sure what they changed this year but its really really hard to keep your TS at a high level.

[Vince]

thesloppy - TS is in no way like form...form has a general direction it is heading, and it is random whether or not it moves towards that direction from week to week. TS is constantly moving towards Content. It doesn't move at a constant speed, but a ... (I can't think of the word right now...damn it being 3 AM and me just getting off a 7 hour shift) variable speed that depends upon how far from Content you are. The further you are away from Content, the faster you move back.

There are two different effects on TS, all dependent upon your match settings. 'PIC' moves your TS up approximately 2 levels. 'MOTS' makes your players play at one level higher TS (affecting only your Midfield match rating) for that game, and then halves your TS (rounding down). 'Normal' match orders has no effect whatsoever upon your TS.

During the course of the week, your TS moves towards content based upon two things.

1) Coach leadership/agreeability. If your coach is a good leader, and has good agreeability, he will slow the decrease of a better than Content TS, and speed up the increase of a worse than Content TS. **If he is not a good leader, then he has no positive effect on TS.** - This last point is something I'm not sure of.

2) Team Leader. The person with the highest leadership on your team is your team leader. The term 'Clown' refers to a player that doesn't play yet is your team leader. People have colloquialized this term to mean 'team leader.' Ratings for leadership ('Solid,' 'Passable,' etc) are not integer values, and they are similar to player ratings like 'Passing,' 'Scoring,' etc. Therefore not all 'Solid' leadership players have the same leadership. There is no way to tell which 'Solid' leadership player is your team leader unless you can extrapolate this from the effect on your team spirit from week to week. Similar to coaches, a leader with good agreeability (Popular, Sympathetic) will help TS, while a poor agreeability (Nasty, Controversial) will hurt TS.

So when people like RPI make a comment like 2 steps forward for 1 step back, it just shows that the 2 steps forward is the affect of the PIC, and the 1 step back is a result of TS moving back towards content. This 1 step back is what is influenced by the Team Leader and Coach.

And that's my thoughts on the matter :)


EDIT: There is a very high likelihood that some or all of my statements are wrong...if so I would appreciate if someone calls me on it, so I am not only not hurting my own perceptions, but not affecting others perceptions as well.

[Nyarlahotep]

Originally posted by Vince
[B1) Coach leadership/agreeability. If your coach is a good leader, and has good agreeability, he will slow the decrease of a better than Content TS, and speed up the increase of a worse than Content TS. **If he is not a good leader, then he has no positive effect on TS.** - This last point is something I'm not sure of.[/B]


A coach with strong leadership helps maintain TS regardless of agreeability.

[-Panther]

Originally posted by Vince
TS is constantly moving towards Content.

TS defaults to composed ;)

[RPI-Fan]

No, it's calm, I believe.

[FrogMan]

Originally posted by RPI-Fan
No, it's calm, I believe.

Nope, it's definitely composed, and its numerical value is 4... Calm is one step above composed.

POE is 9 or above...

FM

[Vince]

Thanks for cleaning those things up guys...it was 3AM and I decided that I had needed a beer or three after work.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally posted by Vince
thesloppy - TS is in no way like form...form has a general direction it is heading, and it is random whether or not it moves towards that direction from week to week.Not to go off on a tangent (OK, I'm going off on a tangent), but that's not exactly how form works, according to the rules. Everybody has a target, everybody who's not at the target moves toward it. It's random whether a given player's target changes each week, with 1/3 of the squad selected for a change.

In a sense, TS is a little like form -- both are moving toward a target each week. The contrast is, TS has a fixed target and form has a variable target. TS seems to move in fixed steps, too, where form moves on a curve.