Run and Shoot

[TheTrainisComming]

ok, I'm pretty sure this is the option I want to go with. I'm training scoreing and am looking for some advice on what kind of players I shpuld play inthe Positins as well as formations the best utalizes my players skills and in the future what type of players I should pick up to best fit this High Powered Offence.

Any help, suggestions, and advice is aprecieated.

[Vince]

If you're going run and shoot, you're going to set most of your players to the 'Offensive' individual order. Therefore the Passing secondaries of your players will be important (esp defenders and wingers).

[FrogMan]

Originally posted by Vince
If you're going run and shoot, you're going to set most of your players to the 'Offensive' individual order. Therefore the Passing secondaries of your players will be important (esp defenders and wingers).

Disclaimer: I don't really know what the run and shoot is... :)

However, I do know that if you play your defenders on offensive, it's playmaking that is important for you central defenders and winger that is important for your wingbacks, not necessarily passing...

FM

edit: to add a smilie ;)

[-Panther]

an effective run and shoot has:

wingbacks: better winger skill than defending OR atleast passable+ winger. both set offensively. Playmaking also is beneficial here. Passing is of no importance unless you're playing a tactic such as CA or pressing.

wingers: good winger and passing. passing should be atleast inad+ preferable passable at minimum. Playmaking is valued 3rd behind winger and passing for R-n-S whereas Playmaking is 2nd to winger any other time. all winger(s) set offensive.

midfielders: good passing skill is needed preferably passable+ inad at minimum. defending is ignored as you'll be setting both natural middies offensive.

central defenders: don't really play a role in R-n-S as when set offensive, they give NO boost the your offense but instead add to your midfield. I wouldn't recommend setting CDs offensive as your defense will be shit with both wingbacks offensive.

Stamina is important for every position as playmaking will become usable for almost all players. You can, if you want, ignore winger & wingback playmaking and not worry too much about their stamina.

[sterlingice]

It should also be noted that a huge part of the run and shoot is winning that midfield battle. You've gotta have chances to score so you'll need to make sure you can hold your own on the midfield.

SI

[FrogMan]

thanks for the explanation on the run and shoot guys. I was always wondering what it reall was...

FM

[bigjdotcom01]

......I am a recent convert. My first three games using the run-and-shoot have resulted in a 9-0 win, a 5-4 win and a 5-5 draw. I also pulled my first ever excellent midfield rating in the last match.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by FrogMan
thanks for the explanation on the run and shoot guys. I was always wondering what it reall was...

FM

Well, if you *really* want to know what the run-and-shoot is...

It's the battle for truth, justice, and the American way
It's about the idea that the best defense is a good offense
It's not about keeping the other team from scoring but about them not being able to score because the ball is always down in their end of the field
It's about winning games 5-4, not 2-1
It's Warren Moon to Ernest Givins followed by the electric slide in the end zone--- oops, the Oiler fan in me slipped that in here
It's about having a scorer that leads your series in goals and gets you $10K and that players name etched onto the series page forever
And, most importantly- it's about not letting those mouthbreathing 4-5-1ers ruin the game of soccer with scores like nil-nil. Nil... that's not even an English word! It's Canadian or French or something ;)

EDIT: If Superman played hattrick, he'd play a run and shoot because it's about America and freedom and stuff (ok, now I feel like I'm digressing into "Tick" mode- if you never saw the old cartoon, he'd go off on these long rants about... stuff, nonsensical stuff, and it was funny in a random way... play along with me here). And, in fact, Superman does play hattrick and he does run the run and shoot: Shawshanksters Dynasty (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11363)

SI

[Coffee Warlord]

Master Sterlingice has spoken well.

Let Master Coffee Warlord speaketh on the wonders of the Run and Shoot. But I will not wow you with tales of glory. No, I will speak to you of the darker power, the treacherous defensive teams, and their insidious 4-5-1.

Deception, yes? Those are the ways of the dark side of Hattrick. They trick you into thinking that the True Way will not penetrate their power, and their wall of defense will never break.

Lies, all lies. Deceit, to cloud your mind from the truth. What is your team without its fans? The fans are the balance to the powers, and the fans love attack. We give the fans their love, their enjoyment. The darkness only deceives them, giving them victory through boredom.

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If you are reading this, you do not need glasses.

I like butter.

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May you be mounted by a diseased yak.

Run and Shoot is Good.

Happy happy joy joy.

Steve. Fucking Steve.
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[Desnudo]

Originally posted by sterlingice
Well, if you *really* want to know what the run-and-shoot is...

It's the battle for truth, justice, and the American way
It's about the idea that the best defense is a good offense
It's not about keeping the other team from scoring but about them not being able to score because the ball is always down in their end of the field
It's about winning games 5-4, not 2-1
It's Warren Moon to Ernest Givins followed by the electric slide in the end zone--- oops, the Oiler fan in me slipped that in here
It's about having a scorer that leads your series in goals and gets you $10K and that players name etched onto the series page forever
And, most importantly- it's about not letting those mouthbreathing 4-5-1ers ruin the game of soccer with scores like nil-nil. Nil... that's not even an English word! It's Canadian or French or something ;)

EDIT: If Superman played hattrick, he'd play a run and shoot because it's about America and freedom and stuff (ok, now I feel like I'm digressing into "Tick" mode- if you never saw the old cartoon, he'd go off on these long rants about... stuff, nonsensical stuff, and it was funny in a random way... play along with me here). And, in fact, Superman does play hattrick and he does run the run and shoot: Shawshanksters Dynasty (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11363)

SI


Says the man with the outstanding midfield :P. It all depends on the midfield. I'm much more comfortable now going all offense than I was last season when I was on the other side of the possesion battle. Last season (my first) I would play the 4-5-1 to avoid getting my doors blown off. I actually got some suprising results (3-3 at Galesburg *cough*).

Having high stamina is enormous also, because you want to be able to grab the lead early and then sit on the ball in the second half after you get that pull back message.

So basically, the longer you've had your team, the easier it is to pull off. Early on, you'll have crap stam and will lose the midfield battle, so you'll need to hold back some.

[MacroGuru]

All I can say is....



"SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!"

[TheTrainisComming]

Hey thanks all for the Suggestions!! what do you think to Should I bother training Forwards and run the 352 or stick with forwards and hold to the guns in a 343?

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Desnudo
Says the man with the outstanding midfield :P. It all depends on the midfield. I'm much more comfortable now going all offense than I was last season when I was on the other side of the possesion battle. Last season (my first) I would play the 4-5-1 to avoid getting my doors blown off. I actually got some suprising results (3-3 at Galesburg *cough*).

Having high stamina is enormous also, because you want to be able to grab the lead early and then sit on the ball in the second half after you get that pull back message.

So basically, the longer you've had your team, the easier it is to pull off. Early on, you'll have crap stam and will lose the midfield battle, so you'll need to hold back some.

Actually, those insults are best hurled CW's way. I'm envious of that midfield ;) Best I've had is an excellent but I'm working on that.

Also, I greatly agree on the counts about high stamina- that really helps your midfield and allows for quite a few extra chances late in halves in that 35-45 minute time. Those wind sprints definitely pay off.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by indoorsoccersim
All I can say is....



"SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!"

"Wait a second - something smells fishy here. I don't think you guys are villains!"
"Oh no, We're - we're bad."
"Oh yeah, the worst!"
"OK, if you guys are so evil, then... why don't you just... EAT THIS KITTEN!"
"WHOA! I knew evil was bad but eating kittens is just plain wrong and no one should do it, ever!"
http://www.theinsaneasylum.com/pictures/tick/tick.gif

SI

[Desnudo]

Oops, I thought I was replying to CW.

[Poli]

Originally posted by sterlingice
"Wait a second - something smells fishy here. I don't think you guys are villains!"
"Oh no, We're - we're bad."
"Oh yeah, the worst!"
"OK, if you guys are so evil, then... why don't you just... EAT THIS KITTEN!"
"WHOA! I knew evil was bad but eating kittens is just plain wrong and no one should do it, ever!"
http://www.theinsaneasylum.com/pictures/tick/tick.gif

SI

Originally posted by sterlingice
Well, if you *really* want to know what the run-and-shoot is...

It's the battle for truth, justice, and the American way
It's about the idea that the best defense is a good offense
It's not about keeping the other team from scoring but about them not being able to score because the ball is always down in their end of the field
It's about winning games 5-4, not 2-1
It's Warren Moon to Ernest Givins followed by the electric slide in the end zone--- oops, the Oiler fan in me slipped that in here
It's about having a scorer that leads your series in goals and gets you $10K and that players name etched onto the series page forever
And, most importantly- it's about not letting those mouthbreathing 4-5-1ers ruin the game of soccer with scores like nil-nil. Nil... that's not even an English word! It's Canadian or French or something ;)

EDIT: If Superman played hattrick, he'd play a run and shoot because it's about America and freedom and stuff (ok, now I feel like I'm digressing into "Tick" mode- if you never saw the old cartoon, he'd go off on these long rants about... stuff, nonsensical stuff, and it was funny in a random way... play along with me here). And, in fact, Superman does play hattrick and he does run the run and shoot: Shawshanksters Dynasty (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11363)

SI

I'm fairly certain that I could not possibly state what the run and shoot is better than my "master" proteges.

I'm certainly fond of playing anyone and everyone offensive. And while I was new to the game, I did actually find it beneficial. My midfield perhaps suffered some, but in D5 (and now D6) who has a superb midfield, anyway?

Actually, I'm quite impressed with SI's and C-Dub's midfield. I can't hang with them, that's for sure. But I might take my forwards (Jerome Bettis and company) over theirs :).

As far as training goes, it really depends on what you're shooting from. Is it a 3-4-3? Go scoring. 3-5-2? Go midfield. Lately I've played a 3-5-2 in my competition games, but it's only because a trainee was hurt by the Bees. Haters. Anyway, I've been running a 3-4-3 for almost a year now. It makes a lot more sense since I'm training scoring.

SI, your "rants" make me want to pull out my hitchiker's guide to the galaxy, pick a page, and start typing away. That stuff is absolutely crazy. Douglas Adams would rule if it wasn't for his views of God, which I differ from....but I digress.

Well, maybe not. I'm done. :)

[MacroGuru]

If you remember this, you will get along in life just fine.

The answer is "42"

[Nyarlahotep]

How true that is.

[KevinNU7]

Hey run and shooters!

There's a pretty decent keeper out there that could make the 2-5-3 or 3-5-2 with everyone offensive a very viable formation. Anyone got $15M to spare?

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by KevinNU7
Hey run and shooters!

There's a pretty decent keeper out there that could make the 2-5-3 or 3-5-2 with everyone offensive a very viable formation. Anyone got $15M to spare?

You know what- if I had Jude and his 12 stars from last Sunday, I would just run a 0-5-5

As for his backup on Yuma (the fifteen million dollar man), he and his 10.5 stars can go play elsewhere ;)

See- that's the twisted part, that guy selling for $15M is a backup because that's the same team with almighty Jude.

SI

[Superman=#54]

I'm using a 2-5-3 run and shoot and in my last league game I won 8-0 PIC. Here are the ratings from the match.

Shaw_Shanksters
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: poor
Right Side Defence: inadequate
Central Defence: inadequate
Left Side Defence: weak
Right Side Attack: formidable
Central Attack: formidable
Left Side Attack: formidable

Thanks Sterling for the link to my dynasty. I think you have inspired me to restart the dynasty. I have to practive my typing anyways should be good excercise.

BTW, In my series I am well on my way to scoring 80+ goals although I do not use the run and shoot every week

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by ardent enthusiast
SI, your "rants" make me want to pull out my hitchiker's guide to the galaxy, pick a page, and start typing away. That stuff is absolutely crazy. Douglas Adams would rule if it wasn't for his views of God, which I differ from....but I digress.

I have a nice leatherbound copy of the series. Haven't read them in a couple of years, tho :D



Originally posted by Superman=#54
Thanks Sterling for the link to my dynasty. I think you have inspired me to restart the dynasty. I have to practive my typing anyways should be good excercise.

BTW, In my series I am well on my way to scoring 80+ goals although I do not use the run and shoot every week

How about just updating my always behind dynasty instead (I promise everyone... I might get to it... at some point; Thursday, as I said) ;)

80 goal pace? That's better than that Div VI guy that was bragging about his 0 goals allowed. Then everyone jumped on him because he's a huge daytrader and anyone could kill in Div VI if they daytraded...

SI

[Desnudo]

Originally posted by Superman=#54
I'm using a 2-5-3 run and shoot and in my last league game I won 8-0 PIC. Here are the ratings from the match.

Shaw_Shanksters
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: poor
Right Side Defence: inadequate
Central Defence: inadequate
Left Side Defence: weak
Right Side Attack: formidable
Central Attack: formidable
Left Side Attack: formidable

Thanks Sterling for the link to my dynasty. I think you have inspired me to restart the dynasty. I have to practive my typing anyways should be good excercise.

BTW, In my series I am well on my way to scoring 80+ goals although I do not use the run and shoot every week



Can you still get midfield training with that? If so I'll try it. My defense eats it anyway.

[-Panther]

yes you still get training with 2-5-3, you just won't get formation experience with it and you'll have loads of confusion which unless your average team experience is solid+, will most likely negate your midfield advantage if present unless you're playing bots and braggin ;)

[Poli]

Originally posted by sterlingice
I have a nice leatherbound copy of the series. Haven't read them in a couple of years, tho :D

SI

I read the four book trilogy while at sea in 2001. I saw last year the unfinished work of Mr. Adams, but wasn't intersested in paying twice as much for a half finished book:).

[daedalus]

Originally posted by -Panther
yes you still get training with 2-5-3, you just won't get formation experience with it and you'll have loads of confusion which unless your average team experience is solid+, will most likely negate your midfield advantage if present unless you're playing bots and braggin ;)Out of curiosity, what kind of experience/leadership combination would the captain have to have to negate the confusion for a formation like that? Or would the captain not be enough and you need the whole team experience to be high?

[Nyarlahotep]

Originally posted by ardent enthusiast
I read the four book trilogy while at sea in 2001. I saw last year the unfinished work of Mr. Adams, but wasn't intersested in paying twice as much for a half finished book:).


It is actually a five book trilogy. It would have been six if his unfinished book was switched from the Dirk Gently series to the Hitchhiker's series.

[Poli]

Ah, I didn't count that.

[-Panther]

Originally posted by daedalus
Out of curiosity, what kind of experience/leadership combination would the captain have to have to negate the confusion for a formation like that? Or would the captain not be enough and you need the whole team experience to be high?

put it this way, on 7/25/03 slashers used a 2-5-3 against sweden in the national team match (9239842)

total player experience for USA national team: outstanding
team captain:

Ray Ashby (1336624)
24 years, excellent form, healthy

A pleasant guy who is fiery and upright.
Has magical experience and weak leadership abilities.

Also part of Team USA!

Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 10 241 000 US$
Wage: 47 250 US$/week
Owner: Mean Losers FC
Warnings: 0

Ashby's experience might have been lower so we'll say he had
extra-terrestrial experience at the time (though I doubt it was 2 levels lower)

and USA still suffered confusion. So I wouldn't count of having enough experience whether through whole team or captain to negate the confusion caused by an untrained formation.

result: we lost 0 - 5

[daedalus]

Suck. :(

[But thanks for the info, though. :)]