Miami/West Virginia [Archive] - Front Office Football Central

ice4277

10-02-2003, 07:30 PM

MAKE THAT MIAMI/WEST VIRGINIA

Probably one of the more interesting Thursday night ESPN college football matchups this year, now made all the more interesting by the fact that WV is up 7-0 in the 2nd quarter, and Frank Gore has left due to injury. If Gore does not come back, they will have to rely for the most part on Berlin down the stretch, which could make it interesting. Could this be the traditional once-yearly Thursday night 'big upset'?

SunDancer

10-02-2003, 07:49 PM

Might want to change your title thread, it's Miami-West virginia, not Pitt.

QuikSand

10-02-2003, 07:51 PM

Kinda like "who won the French and Indian War" bit, eh?

ice4277

10-02-2003, 08:04 PM

Er, that was stupid of me. I think I was thinking of last year's Miami/Pitt game. Or I'm just stupid. Probably the latter.

SunDancer

10-02-2003, 08:48 PM

No prob. Just wanted to make sure you knew it was WV, not Pitt. Pitt-Miami did play on Thrusday nite last year in Miami, and have similar color and uniforms. Anyways, the Mountaineers are playin tough, Go Mountaineers.

Kam

10-02-2003, 09:06 PM

Let's Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..................

VPI97

10-02-2003, 09:59 PM

Mountaineers!!

VPI97

10-02-2003, 10:03 PM

WHAT A FREAKING RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blade6119

10-02-2003, 10:03 PM

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blade6119

10-02-2003, 10:03 PM

GOD BLESS WVU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2:00 left and their up!!!!!!!!!

tucker rocky

10-02-2003, 10:10 PM

The "Streak" is coming to an end most likely.

tucker rocky

10-02-2003, 10:12 PM

Last team to beat Miami at home was Penn State, wasn't it?

Blade6119

10-02-2003, 10:12 PM

They got it on fourth...no!

tucker rocky

10-02-2003, 10:14 PM

Not another Miami comeback!

Blade6119

10-02-2003, 10:14 PM

no more timeouts...this is it right here!...they need to stop them in bounds

VPI97

10-02-2003, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by tucker rocky
Last team to beat Miami at home was Penn State, wasn't it? VT beat tham in Miami in '98...I thought that Penn State game was in Happy Valley. Didn't Washington beat them at home in 2000?

Blade6119

10-02-2003, 10:15 PM

39 yarder as of now....not looking good

Blade6119

10-02-2003, 10:16 PM

thats game most likely....stupid CB

VPI97

10-02-2003, 10:16 PM

Pass Interference :(

korme

10-02-2003, 10:16 PM

From the 6.

Sweet.

tucker rocky

10-02-2003, 10:17 PM

What a heartbreaker for WVa, come on block, block, block

Blade6119

10-02-2003, 10:18 PM

this is utter crap....WVU deserves it after that amazing run.....

VPI97

10-02-2003, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by tucker rocky
What a heartbreaker for WVa, come on block, block, block That isn't unthinkable... WVU has a history of blocking kicks in big games

Blade6119

10-02-2003, 10:19 PM

fail fail fail

VPI97

10-02-2003, 10:21 PM

Why did Rodriguez use his last time out?? 14 seconds left...a time out may have been useful if WVU could get into FG range after the kickoff...

korme

10-02-2003, 10:22 PM

22-20.

Valiant effort, WVU.

Blade6119

10-02-2003, 10:22 PM

damn....

tucker rocky

10-02-2003, 10:28 PM

Miami was expecting a cakewalk by looking ahead to FSU.

VPI97

10-02-2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by tucker rocky
Miami was expecting a cakewalk by looking ahead to FSU. Maybe...but I tend to think this Miami team is their worst in 4-5 years...Dorsey's leadership meant more than most people give him credit for. Either way, VT and Pitt are the top two teams in the conference...tonight was the third place game.

Abe Sargent

10-02-2003, 10:37 PM

All I can say is....

I just almost died tonight. My Alma Mater almost pulled the upset of the season in the Big East. And then we didn't. Man....

-Anxiety

Marmel

10-02-2003, 10:39 PM

VPI97

10-02-2003, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Marmel
Talk about looking ahead. :) 9 more days baby! Doesn't matter if I look ahead...I'm not one of the ones on the field :D

pjstp20

10-02-2003, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by VPI97
I thought that Penn State game was in Happy Valley. Didn't Washington beat them at home in 2000?

Lost to Penn state at home in 99, lost at Washington in 2000.

mckerney

10-02-2003, 11:01 PM

Woohoo! Miami wins again.

Swaggs

10-02-2003, 11:10 PM

Swaggs' suicide watch is on... :(

Vince

10-03-2003, 05:09 AM

That was an amazing game...and completely Kellen Winslow's fault that WVA didn't win. That was an amazing, clutch catch on fourth down. I have to say, I was very disappointed that Miami won (I love the underdog...what can I say? :)), but really happy that the game was so good.

I also disagree with the strategy of using all the timeouts at once to ice the kicker...I'm not disillusioned into thinking that WVA had a shot, but using up the timeouts didn't help.

lynchjm24

10-03-2003, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by VPI97
Maybe...but I tend to think this Miami team is their worst in 4-5 years...Dorsey's leadership meant more than most people give him credit for. Either way, VT and Pitt are the top two teams in the conference...tonight was the third place game.

While VT is probably the best team in the conference, Pitt isn't going to beat Miami so settle down.

I'm suprised noone has commented on the stupidity of WVU in this game.

They were playing an 8 man zone and rushing three, Miami was clueless and had 4th and 13. WVU then blitzes 3 guys on 4th down and they get beat on the play to Winslow. Utter stupidity.

Samdari

10-03-2003, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by VPI97
VT beat tham in Miami in '98...I thought that Penn State game was in Happy Valley. Didn't Washington beat them at home in 2000?
That was at UW.

Ksyrup

10-03-2003, 07:02 AM

I'm happy Miami won, so (a) they don't come into Tally all pissed off following a loss, and (b) FSU's strength of schedule didn't take another hit. Florida's already got 2 losses, NC State's got 3, right? And they were two of the better teams on the schedule. Miami needed to stay undefeated...at least until they leave town.

TroyF

10-03-2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by lynchjm24
While VT is probably the best team in the conference, Pitt isn't going to beat Miami so settle down.

I'm suprised noone has commented on the stupidity of WVU in this game.

They were playing an 8 man zone and rushing three, Miami was clueless and had 4th and 13. WVU then blitzes 3 guys on 4th down and they get beat on the play to Winslow. Utter stupidity.

As I was reading through this thread, that was the thought that hit me. To me, it was the play of the game. Not that Winslow made a great play, but that he was allowed to be in one on one coverage to begin with.

All WVU has to do is play the same 3 man rush they had for the first three plays of the drive. At the very least you need to force Brock to make a big throw. They didn't. They turned it into a one on one situation where all Brock had to do was throw it over the LB.

You KNOW Winslow is coming down with that ball.

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.

TroyF

Wolfpack

10-03-2003, 09:48 AM

Ksyrup:

State has three wins (Western Carolina, Texas Tech, UNC-Chapel Hill) and two losses (Wake, Ohio State).

It's amazing how that loss to Wake has totally skewed perspective on our season. Win that and we're 4-1 and probably in the Top 15 with OSU as an expected, heart-breaking loss. If State's offense can keep outscoring everybody (frankly, the defense isn't going to stop anyone through the air from the looks of it...) they have a decent chance to be 7-2 heading into the nasty stretch hosting UVa, travelling to Tally, and closing with the Terps in Raleigh.

Back a little on topic to this thread, State has a near suicidal sked next year when Miami and VaTech sign on. We host Ohio State, FSU, and Miami in Raleigh and travel to Virginia Tech. Taking this week's poll as a temporary measure, that is #2, #3, #4, and #5 in the country on our plate. A couple of people on the State board have cracked that we should pick up Oklahoma and get a straight flush out of the deal.

Ksyrup

10-03-2003, 09:50 AM

Sorry, I bet I was thinking of Maryland. They have 3 losses, don't they?

henry296

10-03-2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Ksyrup
Sorry, I bet I was thinking of Maryland. They have 3 losses, don't they?

Only 2 so far for the Terps: Northern Illinois and FSU. Their wins aren't that great though.

Swaggs

10-03-2003, 10:27 AM

I thought Winslow was the best player on the field during the Fiesta Bowl last season and he looked like the best player on the field again last night.

He talks after every play, but he's got game.

Ksyrup

10-03-2003, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by henry296
Only 2 so far for the Terps: Northern Illinois and FSU. Their wins aren't that great though.

Alright, but I'm positive that some team, somewhere, has 3 losses. How about that? :D

albionmoonlight

10-03-2003, 11:39 AM

I always thought a good stragety on icing the kicker would be to tell the refs ahead of time that you are NOT going to call a time out. Then have all of the coaches yelling to the defense to call a time out. And have some of the defenders stand up like they are going to call a time-out, but not do it. That would probably get into the kicker's head more than a time out that he knows is coming and may even get the kicking team to false start.

Playing that kind of psych game seems a little unmanly to me, but, at the same time, any edge you can give your team, you should take.

GrantDawg

10-03-2003, 11:40 AM

Hammer755

10-03-2003, 11:57 AM

My question is this - Does Ohio State move above Miami in the polls?

Here's my reasoning - OSU started the season ranked above Miami, but because of a couple of squeakers got dropped below the Canes.

Now, Miami has nearly lost to an average Florida team and a pretty poor WVU. Do they deserve the same treatment that the Bucks received earlier in the year?

ice4277

10-03-2003, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Hammer755
My question is this - Does Ohio State move above Miami in the polls?

Here's my reasoning - OSU started the season ranked above Miami, but because of a couple of squeakers got dropped below the Canes.

Now, Miami has nearly lost to an average Florida team and a pretty poor WVU. Do they deserve the same treatment that the Bucks received earlier in the year?

Possibly. I could see it happening, although I don't think it really matters at this point one way or the other.

HornedFrog Purple

10-03-2003, 12:04 PM

Probably not because an average Florida team will be nationally recognized as better than any of Ohio State's opponents thus far whether its actually true or not.

Playing on a Thursday will help because the voters tend to forget about that game every week come Monday.

Hammer755

10-03-2003, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Probably not because an average Florida team will be nationally recognized as better than any of Ohio State's opponents thus far whether its actually true or not.

Playing on a Thursday will help because the voters tend to forget about that game every week come Monday.

Really? I think NC State and Washington are both much better than Florida, and probably everyone OSU has played thus far has been better than WVU with the possible exception of Northwestern.

Like ice said, it doesn't really matter at this point, I'm just throwing the topic out there.

GrantDawg

10-03-2003, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Hammer755
Really? I think NC State is much better than Florida, and probably everyone OSU has played thus far has been better than WVU with the possible exception of Northwestern.

Like ice said, it doesn't really matter at this point, I'm just throwing the topic out there.

While the second part may be true, I think Florida and NC State are pretty even (though the quality is on opposite sides of the ball). Of course, your also ruling out the rival factor there (Rivals quite often play the game of their season against vastly superior teams, whereas you can in no way call NC State/OSU as a rival).

Leonidas

10-03-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by albionmoonlight
I always thought a good stragety on icing the kicker would be to tell the refs ahead of time that you are NOT going to call a time out. Then have all of the coaches yelling to the defense to call a time out. And have some of the defenders stand up like they are going to call a time-out, but not do it. That would probably get into the kicker's head more than a time out that he knows is coming and may even get the kicking team to false start.

Playing that kind of psych game seems a little unmanly to me, but, at the same time, any edge you can give your team, you should take.

I can't think of a time I ever saw this work. It seems like every single time I can recall a team trying to ice a kicker he made it. I've even heard interviews with some kickers who said they were grateful for the extra time to gather themselves and concentrate. I think I'd rather have a situation where the kicker has to rush onto the field and beat the 25-second clock than giving him extra time to get himself together.