A racial question.

[bbor]

I think it is great that Jerome Iginla was named captain of the Calgary Flames(nhl).

Now here is the question ,should a big deal be made out of the fact that he is the first black captain in NHL history?Or is this taking away from the fact that his teammates respect him enough regardless of colour to make him the captain?

Do we really need to make this a race issue?I think i would be slightly offended if i was announce as the first Black captain in the NHL.,...rather than just...The captain of the Calgary Flames.

Comments?

BTW...i think it is great that he has been named captain...from all accounts that i have heard is he is a first rate human and well respected among his peers.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by bbor
I think it is great that Jerome Iginla was named captain of the Calgary Flames(nhl).

Now here is the question ,should a big deal be made out of the fact that he is the first black captain in NHL history?Or is this taking away from the fact that his teammates respect him enough regardless of colour to make him the captain?

Do we really need to make this a race issue?I think i would be slightly offended if i was announce as the first Black captain in the NHL.,...rather than just...The captain of the Calgary Flames.

Comments?

BTW...i think it is great that he has been named captain...from all accounts that i have heard is he is a first rate human and well respected among his peers.

It's what happens when you break the barrier. It's not something you have a choice over. The first black head football coach in the SEC will hold that specific title for all time. I don't care if it's a proven black coach like Dennis Green, or an assistent getting his first coaching job.

TroyF

[EagleFan]

I don't think there should be a big deal made out of it. I may be wrong but I feel that the more you bring race into something like this it seems to downplay any actual accomplishment that was made. Suddenly you start getting people questioning the motives of why he was made captain and it will start to sound like race had something to do with it, whiich it didn't.

Equality is only truly gained when all accomplishments like this are handled equally, regardless of race. To not do so will only stir up the polarized extremists on both sides of the issue. What I mean by that is who can tell me who the other team captains are in the NHL, other than fans of the sport or individual teams. He doesn't need the excess baggage that bringing race into the picture would bring.

[Swaggs]

Somewhat, but not really, related.

I read that if Omar Minaya takes takes the Reds' GM job and leaves the Expos after this season, a female assistant GM from the Dodgers may become the new Expos GM.

I think a female GM would be one of the most dynamic occurences in MLB history.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally posted by Swaggs
Somewhat, but not really, related.

I read that if Omar Minaya takes takes the Reds' GM job and leaves the Expos after this season, a female assistant GM from the Dodgers may become the new Expos GM.

I think a female GM would be one of the most dynamic occurences in MLB history.

is she hot?

[Swaggs]

Her name is Kim Ng, I believe.

I have never seen a picture, just read about it in an article (probably on ESPN) sometime in the last few weeks. I meant to start a thread about it, because I just imagine it would be remarkable for a woman to break into the field. I imagine the good ol' boy GMs and agents would try their best to beat her up in deals.

In some ways, I imagine it would be more difficult that Jackie Robinson's entry, because she will have to rely on others a lot more to do her job successfully. I'd like to see it happen just for the impact.

[Killebrew]

It's not 1960, I hope we don't need to make a big deal about a first black captain on an NHL club. Does anyone remember the first Russian captain in the NHL? Like, who cares about crap like that anymore?

[daedalus]

I don't think it *should* be but, I agree with Troy, I think it will be.

I think one barrier to break is becoming the first <fill in the blank>. The other is becoming that <fill in the blank> withOUT the "description" based on something stupid like race. I thought it was great when people thought of people like Tony Dungy and Dennis Green as a good or a bad coach, rather than a good or a bad black coach.

One of the thing that did bother me about the whole Limbaugh/McNabb thing was why he felt it necessary to bring up McNabb's skin colour as an issue. Based on the threads here, I think it's fair to say some people thought he was great and some don't. But, agree or disagree, those that did (either way), thought so because of what he did on the field rather than his skin colour. That seems to be more relevant, given it's about football.

One interesting thing I did noticed in the local paper (Long Beach Press-Telegram) was the LACK of mentioned of Karl Dorrel's race, which I thought was great. Not that they lacked things to complain about him (he's not a media whore enough, he isn't flashy, he doesn't have experience), mind you - they certainly did it plenty of time - but I thought it was awesome that it was ALL about football rather than his skin colour.

[Honolulu Blue]

Drifting off topic, then coming back...

Originally posted by Swaggs
I think a female GM would be one of the most dynamic occurences in MLB history.

I disagree. I would say owners have a far greater influence over MLB than GMs do. And there was a female owner in MLB for many years - Marge Schott (http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/S/Schott_Marge.stm). Her influence on MLB and its good ol' boy network was limited, IMO.

Which is not to say that this up-and-coming GM isn't the most brilliant mind ever. But if she makes her mark on history, it will have little to do with her gender.

And that brings me back to Mr. Iginla. I barely follow hockey (unlike my evil twin), so I'm guessing that there's more than one black player in the NHL now? Anyway, I'm glad that his teammates accorded him his honor. His race isn't a big deal to me, but it might be to some of the media. Firsts of any kind tend to be newsworthy.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I agree with my non-underscored, non-hockey following "good" twin. (I think I'm rubbing off on him!) It's newsworthy in that he's the first. It's worth mentioning, worth noting, but other than that I don't think it's all that big of a deal and I don't think, besides mentioning it and perhaps one or two related articles on "blacks in hockey," too much more will be made of it.

[Alf]

Are there many black people playing in the NHL ? I would lend to saying not that much...

[Honolulu_Blue]

I wouldn't say there are many, no. A handful is more like it, but more now than ever before. I think there is likely around 15 or so black players in the NHL.

[Honolulu Blue]

That many, huh? Learn something new every day.

Thanks for the support, H_B. Back to lurking...

[Bonegavel]

Originally posted by Swaggs
Her name is Kim Ng, I believe.


Her name is Kim Nanogram?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I think it is important to note that Jarome Iginla is the first black captain of an NHL team, and I'll just leave it at that.

[Ryan S]

Originally posted by Swaggs
Her name is Kim Ng, I believe.

I have never seen a picture

http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2002/05/12/20020511181417.jpeg

How do you pronounce her name?

[andy m]

kim.

[Swaggs]

I believe that is a Vietnamese name and is pronounced something like "ung," but I would never place money on that.

[VPI97]

Originally posted by Ryan S
How do you pronounce her name? Isn't the proper pronunciation the same as 'wynn' or 'win'?

[heybrad]

Originally posted by Ryan S
How do you pronounce her name?
Noogie... like when you grab somebody, put them in a headlock and scratch their head.

[VPI97]

hey brad

[finkenst]

vietnamese nguyen is pronounced win/wynn.. Like Dat of the cowboys.

[timmynausea]

if you want to know how ng is pronounced you could download this old they might be giants song called "ana ng". he says it about 7000 times. it's basically just how it's spelled though. kind of like "ing" i guess.
as far as the black NHL captain and the big deal... allow me to be the first to say it:
The media has been very desirous that a black hockey player do well... ok ok i'll stop.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by timmynausea

The media has been very desirous that a black hockey player do well... ok ok i'll stop.

I thought about going there, but chose not to.

[dawgfan]

Originally posted by Ryan S
How do you pronounce her name?

Somewhere between "ang" and "eng" I believe is correct.

For 'Nguyen', I was always under the impression it's closer to "nwen" than "win" - I don't think the N is completely silent. I very well could be wrong on this though...

[SFL Cat]

Originally posted by bbor
I think it is great that Jerome Iginla was named captain of the Calgary Flames(nhl).

Now here is the question ,should a big deal be made out of the fact that he is the first black captain in NHL history?Or is this taking away from the fact that his teammates respect him enough regardless of colour to make him the captain?

Do we really need to make this a race issue?I think i would be slightly offended if i was announce as the first Black captain in the NHL.,...rather than just...The captain of the Calgary Flames.

Comments?

BTW...i think it is great that he has been named captain...from all accounts that i have heard is he is a first rate human and well respected among his peers.

Wow! There's actually a black guy in the NHL??? :eek: Is that allowed? :D

[Swaggs]

Originally posted by dawgfan
Somewhere between "ang" and "eng" I believe is correct.

For 'Nguyen', I was always under the impression it's closer to "nwen" than "win" - I don't think the N is completely silent. I very well could be wrong on this though...

I thought it was pronounced "Gwynn."

[Draft Dodger]

Originally posted by Killebrew
It's not 1960, I hope we don't need to make a big deal about a first black captain on an NHL club. Does anyone remember the first Russian captain in the NHL? Like, who cares about crap like that anymore?

so, who was the first Russian captain in the NHL?

[Bonegavel]

The whole name thing reminds me of the Python character:

Raymond Luxury Yacht.

It is spelled that way, but pronounced,

Throat Wobbler Mangrove.

Very silly to say the nguyen is actually winn. I mean, it isn't like the name is from a latin based alphabet. Couldn't it just have been spelled like it is pronounced? I always pronounced it na-GEW-in, and only since hearing Dat's named on the tube did I realise I was wrong.

[daedalus]

Originally posted by BoneGavel
Very silly to say the nguyen is actually winn. I mean, it isn't like the name is from a latin based alphabet. Couldn't it just have been spelled like it is pronounced? I always pronounced it na-GEW-in, and only since hearing Dat's named on the tube did I realise I was wrong.How do you pronounce the Wednesday?

It's a word from a different language. It's pronounced how it is. I fail to see how it is "silly".

[Karim]

Originally posted by Killebrew
Does anyone remember the first Russian captain in the NHL?

I don't think there has ever been one...

I know no team captained by a European has ever won the Stanley Cup... but that's just an artificial barrier that will eventually be broken.

[Booj]

Originally posted by Draft Dodger
so, who was the first Russian captain in the NHL?

Pavel Bure

[Karim]

In Florida?

Who would ever make that guy a captain?

[Killebrew]

Originally posted by Draft Dodger
so, who was the first Russian captain in the NHL?
Exactly, it is so umimportant that nobody even remembers.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally posted by Killebrew
Exactly, it is so umimportant that nobody even remembers.

nah - I just smoked too much weed growing up. my memory is shot.