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JeeberD
11-16-2003, 07:59 PM
I'm trying to not get too excited, but last night UTEP beat the Harlem Globetrotters competitive squad. This is the same Globetrotters squad that had won 288 straight games, including wins this year over Syracuse, UMass, and Michigan State. I was hoping that the Miners would be able to keep the game within 20 points, bu they did the seemingly impossible and pulled out the win.

Head coach Billy Gillispie (I know you Illinois fans know who he is) is on the track to becoming a great coach, and he's already proven himself an amazing recruiter (bringing in two of UTEP's best recruiting classes ever in his first two years). If we can keep him in El Paso and not lose him to a bigger school I think he could bring UTEP basketball back to the glory days of the eighties and early nineties when the Miners were a mainstay in the Top 25.

Here are a couple of stories about the game...
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From an El Paso perspective

UTEP men impressive in edging Harlem Globetrotters (http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/sports/todaysstories/20031116-45594.shtml)

On the record books it will forever go down as simply an exhibition game. Nothing more. Nothing less.

But, for the 8,294 UTEP fans who came to the Don Haskins Center Saturday night, it was more like a revival -- a revival of Miner basketball glory days.

UTEP outhustled, outbattled, outscrapped and outscored the Harlem Globetrotters 89-88 on this Saturday night. The Miners were playing men, a squad with huge players from the NBA, from the European professional leagues.

And they won. And the crowd went noisy, crazy.

UTEP's junior college transfers were key. Jason Williams had 19 points, eight rebounds. Point guard Filiberto Rivera had 16 points, making 11-of-14 free throws. And Omar Thomas had 16 points, seven rebounds. Senior Roy Smallwood was strong, scoring 13 points and sophomore Giovanni St. Amant had 11 points.

But no line was more impressive, more important than Rivera's assists to turnovers -- five assists, no turnovers. And few things were more impressive, more important than something Williams did that will not be in the line -- he defended well all evening, defended with a passion and forced talented Globetrotter Darrick Martin to give up the ball on the last possession, then heave up a bad, off-balance, errant shot at the buzzer.

"What a game, what a good test for us," said UTEP coach Billy Gillispie. "And we passed. We made about a million mistakes, but our guys battled, battled as hard as they could."

How impressive was this game?

The Globetrotters, playing their final game of the college tour, came in at 7-0 -- with victories over defending national champion Syracuse (83-70), over nationally ranked Michigan State (97-83), over always tough Massachusetts (77-68). No team had even played to within single digits, save that nine-point loss by UMass. They also had lopsided wins like 108-75 over Siena and 95-67 over North Dakota.

On the one hand, it was like old-time Miner basketball -- players defending for all their worth, diving on the floor for every loose ball and simply keeping the intensity knob cranked to high for 40 minutes. On the other hand, it was something new -- a fast flurry of uptempo basketball.

"We always want to try to push it," Gillispie said of the tempo. "We've got a point guard who doesn't turn it over much. We've got guys who can get out and fill the wings. And we've got big men who can run down the middle of the floor."

Talking about the talented Globetrotters, Williams said, "I just wanted to come out and play and play as hard as I could. I was so focused I didn't know who I was playing against."

Rivera said, "I have no words for this right now. It's unbelievable. We beat them. But now it's over. Right now we are 0-0 going into the season. So we've just got to continue to work hard in practice and continue to play hard."

The 8,294 fans continued to raise the decibel level as the Miners continued to cling to their second half lead. When it ended and victory was theirs, the crowd found an even louder level.

It was just an exhibition game. Yes.

It was just an exhibition game. Hardly.



From the Globetrotters perspective...


Globetrotters Drop 89-88 Decision to Texas-El Paso (http://www.harlemglobetrotters.com/news/index.php3?id=60&item=60)

(EL PASO, Texas, Nov. 15, 2003) – The Harlem Globetrotters concluded their 2003 Fall College Tour on Saturday with their only loss of the tour, an 89-88 defeat at the hands of the University of Texas-El Paso. The Globetrotters finished the 2003 Fall College Tour with a 7-1 record, including victories over preseason top-10 ranked Michigan State and Syracuse, the defending national champions.

“Tonight was an exciting and very physical basketball game,” said Globetrotter Owner and Chairman Mannie Jackson. “Even though we out-rebounded them 44-29, UTEP is well coached and played an aggressive smart game. There were 59 fouls called, 31 on the Globetrotters. The Miners should be a force this year; they are a very determined young team.”

The Globetrotters, who led 48-46 at the intermission, had the final possession of the game, but a Darrick Martin 15-foot jumper caromed off the right side of the rim as the final horn sounded. UTEP took their first lead of the game, 72-71, with 9:08 remaining in the game off a steal by Jason Williams who hit Roy Smallwood for a layup. The Miners built a seven-point lead on three occasions in the final seven minutes, the latest at the 5:20 mark, 84-77. Martin, who led all scorers with 25 points, closed the gap to one point twice in the final minutes, the first on a three-pointer with 2:36 left, 87-86. He connected on a pair of free throws at 1:06 to draw within one again, 89-88. Williams led the Miners with 19 points.

The 2003 Fall College Tour began on Oct. 27th with the Globetrotters posting a 95-67 win over the University of North Dakota, followed by a 97-82 victory over Michigan State University on Sunday, Nov. 2nd. The Globetrotters won their third consecutive game on Nov. 4th with a 108-75 win over Siena College in Albany, N.Y., and their four straight on Nov. 8th over Williams College, 104-79, the defending NCAA Division III national champions. On Nov. 9th they continued the winning streak with a 77-68 victory over the University of Massachusetts. Before a crowd of 20,000-plus and a live television audience, the Globetrotters defeated Syracuse 83-70 at the Carrier Dome on Nov. 11th. The Globetrotters ran their unbeaten streak to 288 games on Thursday (Nov. 13) with a 89-57 win over the IPFW Mastodons.

Inducted into the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame in 2002, the Globetrotters will begin their 2003-2004 North American exhibition tour on December 26th with games in more than 200 cities through April of 2004.

Chubby
11-16-2003, 08:01 PM
good job.

tho Warrick was hurt and missed most of the game when 'Cuse played em.

mrskippy
11-16-2003, 08:42 PM
The Globetrotters don't seem as flashy as they used to be. I watched one of the college games. Yawn!!

JeeberD
11-16-2003, 08:46 PM
They have different squads. The competitive squad which plays against college teams and teams from around the world and then the show squad, which is the one everyone remembers from their childhood...

Mustang
11-16-2003, 09:00 PM
They must have been the only ones that figured out that you can just take the ball when it is spinning on the Globetrotters finger. :D

GoldenEagle
11-16-2003, 09:00 PM
I didnt know they had ever arrived?

Easy Mac
11-16-2003, 09:05 PM
They're the only Texas team to win a national title

JeeberD
11-16-2003, 09:09 PM
Damn straight Easy....

JeeberD
11-21-2003, 02:49 PM
The win is getting UTEP a little press. Dicky V gave them the Shocker of the Week award and now this blurb from Andy Katz...
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At UTEP ... The Miners should receive plenty of credit for ending the 288-game win streak of the Harlem Globetrotters. But this is no fluke. "I know they brought their whole team," UTEP coach Billy Gillispie said. Remember the name Filiberto Rivera. The JC All-American point guard hasn't turned the ball over once in 66 minutes of two exhibition games. Fellow JC All-American Omar Thomas scored 16 points in 27 minutes of one game and should be an impact player in the WAC. The key to their recruiting has been the hiring of assistant coach Sergio Rouco. He landed Rivera for this year and helped the Miners land impact recruits Ivan Almonte and Alex Galindo for next season. Gillispie did the smart thing in trying to tap the Hispanic market of players, who can feel comfortable in the El Paso area. Rivera, Almonte and Galindo are all Spanish-speaking. Rouco is the same coach who also recruited Carlos Arroyo, now a star with Utah.

JeeberD
11-21-2003, 03:00 PM
Dola-

And the Miners are listed as a team on the rise as well... :)

http://www.digitalstar.com/JeeberD/OriginalImages/200835ORIG.JPG

mckerney
11-21-2003, 03:01 PM
The Harlem Globetrotters... Aren't they the team that was going to let Jerry Holman play for them?

I rest my case.

JeeberD
02-23-2004, 11:43 PM
The Miners beat Hawaii tonight for their twentieth win. They still have three regular season games to go (and I'll be going to two of them :D ) and are standing at 20-5. If they do well over those three games and have a decent run in the WAC tournament, there's a very good shot they'll be getting into the Big Dance for the first time since 1992, the year they beat #1 seed Kansas in the second round.

Not bad for a team that was 6-24 last year... :)

mckerney
02-23-2004, 11:43 PM
Yes, they're better than the Gophers, and UTEP is awesome in March Madness.

JeeberD
02-23-2004, 11:53 PM
Who isn't better than the Gophers? :confused: ;)

Dammit, should have bought MM instead of ESPN College Hoops 2K4. Half of the Miner's new players this year (who are the main reason we've turned around so well) are rated terribly in that game...

GoldenEagle
02-23-2004, 11:54 PM
Memephis is a sleeper for the final four. Too bad we are only six deep this year.

bbor
02-23-2004, 11:59 PM
This is a joke...right? :)

mckerney
02-24-2004, 12:04 AM
Who isn't better than the Gophers? :confused: ;)

Dammit, should have bought MM instead of ESPN College Hoops 2K4. Half of the Miner's new players this year (who are the main reason we've turned around so well) are rated terribly in that game...


Well, our RPI is just barely higher than Marshall and Chattanooga. :(

UTEP is only rated as like a C+ overall, and they only have 8 or 9 players, but they've got 3 guards who are money from 3. For this reason I've been banned from using them as I went about 31-63 from 3 (in the 2nd hardest difficultly) while putting up 101 points to beat a friend using UNC.

GoldenEagle
02-24-2004, 12:11 AM
The Tigers are going to the final four led by San Antonio Burks and Sean "you can take it to the" Banks.

JeeberD
02-24-2004, 12:15 AM
Omar Duran (#12)
Chris Craig (#10)
?Gio St Amant? (#4)

Duran and Craig can light it up from deep. Well, Duran did last year. This season he can't get off the bench. Is St Amant the other guy? He's more of a slasher than a deep threat, but there's no one else who's really dead on from downtown...

JeeberD
02-24-2004, 12:16 AM
Memphis kicked the Miners ass last time they made it to post-season play (the 2001 NIT)... :(

GoldenEagle
02-24-2004, 12:18 AM
Eh no big thing Jeeber. Hopefulyl they will not meet up in the dance or UTEP is going home.

mckerney
02-24-2004, 12:19 AM
Omar Duran (#12)
Chris Craig (#10)
?Gio St Amant? (#4)

Duran and Craig can light it up from deep. Well, Duran did last year. This season he can't get off the bench. Is St Amant the other guy? He's more of a slasher than a deep threat, but there's no one else who's really dead on from downtown...

#12 and #10 are the best two, and I think that SG #4 is the other. He's not quite as good as the other two, though he has the 3 point logo next to his name.

JeeberD
02-24-2004, 12:20 AM
Eh no big thing Jeeber. Hopefulyl they will not meet up in the dance or UTEP is going home.

Yeah, OK... :rolleyes:

k0ruptr
02-24-2004, 12:26 AM
hawaii needs the wac tourney. ERg man we are choking this late in the season, this isnt good.

k0ruptr
02-24-2004, 12:27 AM
btw jeebs I hate to break it to ya, but I honestly doubt utep gets in unless they win the wac tourney.

GoldenEagle
02-24-2004, 12:28 AM
Yeah, OK... :rolleyes:

Who is ranked #19 in the country and well, who is not?

JeeberD
02-24-2004, 12:30 AM
Why not? We have a decent RPI, a very good record, and no real "bad losses". I think the WAC should easily get two teams in, though it really deserves three.

I see the Miners and Nevada making it in. The Pack is having a really good season...

JeeberD
02-24-2004, 12:33 AM
Who is ranked #19 in the country and well, who is not?

We got five votes in the coaches poll! Or was it the ESPN poll? Well, in one we got five votes, the other we got four.

To be honest with you, on a neutral court I give the Miners a real shot to beat any team in the country. They're fast, aggressive, smart, fast, shoot the ball very well, and they're fast. Their only real weakness is size, but they neutralize that with their speed and smarts.

Memphis may very well win if the two were to play, but don't by any means think that it would be an easy game...

Vegas Vic
02-24-2004, 12:33 AM
I'm trying to not get too excited, but last night UTEP beat the Harlem Globetrotters competitive squad. This is the same Globetrotters squad that had won 288 straight games, including wins this year over Syracuse, UMass, and Michigan State.

And let's not forget the other 285 wins against the Washington Generals. ;)

k0ruptr
02-24-2004, 12:36 AM
while I agree utep should be in the tourney along with my warriors (which have no chance pretty much :(


the wac never gets any respect.

JeeberD
02-24-2004, 12:38 AM
Oh, and this article was on the front page of CBS.Sportline.com earlier today... :)

Gillispie builds winner with 'the Bear's' support (http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/7112239)

The Bear watches from a chair in the tunnel. He could have a more prominent seat at the Don Haskins Center, but Don Haskins doesn't want one. UTEP will always be his program, but it's no longer his team, and he doesn't want to intrude on Billy Gillispie's magic. Besides, the Bear likes a quick getaway.

In the final minutes, with the Miners usually adding to one of the season's unlikeliest stories, the Bear scoots farther up the tunnel in a golf cart to watch the finish on television. From there it's a short ride to his 2004 GMC, parked outside, and he's gone.

Diabetes hasn't been kind to Don "the Bear" Haskins since he retired in 1999 with 719 victories and the state's only national championship. The disease attacked one of his feet, and while in recent weeks he has been getting better, four months ago it claimed a toe.

The Bear doesn't fret over the missing toe. He'll tell you he's as happy now as he's been since retiring after 30 years as the Miners' coach.

UTEP basketball is back. The Bear is whole again.

"There's nobody happier that's sitting there watching a full house again," Haskins says. "What Billy Gillispie has done in two years ... I can't even imagine what he's done."

Neither can Gillispie. One year after his first team went 6-24, the Miners are 19-5 and bearing down on the program's first NCAA appearance since 1992.

"It happened a lot sooner than anybody thought," Gillispie says. "I knew we'd be much improved. We set the bar so low last year, we had to be improved. As far as my expectations ... I had no idea. I thought we might have this kind of season -- I was hoping -- maybe next year. But I didn't know for sure if we'd be (this) far along next year."

When UTEP hired Gillispie off then-Illinois coach Bill Self's staff on Nov. 2, 2002, it was five days before the Miners' 2002-03 exhibition opener. The previous coach, Jason Rabedeaux, had left 10 days earlier for reasons he called personal and private.

Gillispie inherited Rabedeaux's three assistants and eight scholarship players, whose character exceeded their talent. The 6-24 season they produced was surprisingly uplifting.

"Last year our team was 6-24, and I wouldn't have enjoyed watching the games -- I wouldn't even go -- if we didn't give it a hell of an effort," Haskins says. "Last year the effort was there, and we always had about 7,500 (in attendance), which is a pretty good crowd for a team not winning. Our fans in El Paso are so good. It's unbelievable."

UTEP basketball is The Show in El Paso, a reason Gillispie -- with deep Texas roots and a reputation as a monster recruiter -- took the job under such unorthodox circumstances. As for UTEP athletics director Bob Stull, the timing of Rabedeaux's Oct. 21, 2002 resignation allowed him to study Gillispie at Illinois practices.

Last season Gillispie lost on the court, but he won off it. His Top 20 recruiting class had two junior college All-Americans, point guard Filiberto Rivera and forward Omar Thomas. His four juco transfers overhauled UTEP's talent without hurting its character.

"We've had a major turnaround, and you couldn't do it that quickly unless you have high-character kids," Gillispie says. "Guys we've recruited are playing a majority of the minutes. Guys from last year, their attitude has been fantastic. Last year they may have played 30 minutes a game, and now they might not play five. And the new guys have been great, fitting in. Everybody on the team has been so fantastic at being team player."

Example A: Last season's leading scorer was guard Giovanni St. Amant, who set UTEP freshman records for scoring average (13.6) and 20-point games (seven). This season he averages 16 minutes off the bench, is seventh on the team in scoring -- and has worked as hard as he did a year ago, Gillispie says.
Example B: Senior Roy Smallwood, a 6-6 forward, ranks among the top 10 UTEP career leaders in points, rebounds, steals and blocked shots. This season he's producing eight points and 5.2 rebounds in 23 minutes per game, all below his career averages.
Example C: Last season at Panola (Texas) College, the 6-foot-5 Thomas led the NJCAA in scoring at 36.1, with 70 in one game. He leads the Miners in scoring at 15.3, but requires less than 10 shots per game.
"I thought (Thomas) would be a guy who shoots every time he got it," Haskins says. "But he passes, and he defends great. I watch the bench to see how guys react, and I've never seen a more together team. All the junior college guys, I cannot believe the job Billy Gillispie has done with them. I used to say, 'It takes one year (of acclimation) to get one year (of good play) from a JC guy.' Not on this team."

Gillispie has molded the Miners with fire, starting with two weeks of preseason conditioning he calls boot camp. At the end of the twice-daily, 40-minute sessions, players run 33 line drills -- old-school types call them "suicides" -- in 30 seconds or less.

"Practices are hell," Haskins says.

Gillispie has lessened the intensity during the season with one exception: an hour-long practice on game days. It's not a walk-thru. It's not a shoot-around. It's the real thing.

"We practice hard," Gillispie says. "I believe once you get that mental framework of going hard every time you step on the court, it gives you an edge."

Gillispie isn't above dangling a carrot, either. A reserve who leads the team in rebounding -- provided he has at least eight boards -- starts the next game. That has players frothing at the mouth, reserves and starters alike, and explains how a short, skinny team is breaking even on the glass.

"I've never ever heard of that rule," Haskins says. "I wish I'd have thought of it."

Haskins thinks of plenty. He and Gillispie are close, with Haskins welcome at practice and Gillispie welcome for Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner. Gillispie counts himself as the fifth-best coach at UTEP, behind Haskins and his three first-year assistants, all recruiting aces: Alvin Brooks, the former coach at Houston; Doc Sadler, a former high school and junior college head coach, who assisted at Arizona State and Texas Tech; and Cuban born Sergio Rouco, a former coach in Miami, Venezuela and the Dominican, whose roots make him particularly effective recruiting to UTEP.

"The only weak link on the staff," says Gillispie, "is me."

Right. Haskins fears Gillispie is coaching himself onto a bigger stage, with Utah and UNLV likely to be interested. The Bear doesn't know what 2004-05 will bring, but he knows what to expect in March when the NCAA Tournament announces its field.

"I'm getting packed," Haskins says. "We're going somewhere to play."

JeeberD
02-24-2004, 12:40 AM
the wac never gets any respect.

No, no it doesn't... :(

Oh, and Hawaii played alot better tonight than I was expecting. After their three games this past week, including the one Saturday night, I was sorta expecting the Miners to run away with this one.

However, I sure don't want to face them again in the WAC tourney...

k0ruptr
02-24-2004, 01:01 AM
eh, not to worry, we play like crap on the mainland.


although we shoulda beaten southern illinois the other nite! grrrrr up at half only to bow out in the second

Desnudo
02-24-2004, 03:28 AM
"over always tough Massachusetts (77-68). No team had even played to within single digits, save that nine-point loss by UMass."

It's nice to see that they save their stuff for exhibitions.

Vegas Vic
02-24-2004, 07:47 AM
"over always tough Massachusetts (77-68). No team had even played to within single digits, save that nine-point loss by UMass."

It's nice to see that they save their stuff for exhibitions.

By the way, what's the Globetrotters' Sagarin Rating? I can't seem to find it listed anywhere? ;)

JeeberD
02-29-2004, 09:09 PM
The first place Miners won two road gamesthis week, and Rice, the second place team in the WAC, just lost at Hawaii. That combination means that the Miners have now clinched no worse than a tie for first place in the conference. :)

illinifan999
02-29-2004, 09:23 PM
eh, not to worry, we play like crap on the mainland.


although we shoulda beaten southern illinois the other nite! grrrrr up at half only to bow out in the second
No one beats SIU. :)

JeeberD
03-14-2004, 05:39 PM
We're in The Dance!

Maryland is going down... :)