Interactive Golf Dynasty

[Breeze]

I am checking to see the level of interest in an interactive Golf Dynasty.

The dynasty will involve each particpant creating their golfer by distributing points between skills and attributes. Once the tourneys begin the user will only have to specify how aggressive or conservative they wish to be.

The write-ups following the tourneys won't be stroke by stroke, but rather a simple overview of the round. With an occasional comment of a brillient shot or poor decission.

I will post more specifics, if the level of interest is high enough.

[Sublime]

I'd be game!

[RPI-Fan]

Using what game?

Whatever the choice, I'd be interested.

[Travis]

I'm in for sure. And I'm pretty sure Blade would be up for it (once he gets back from Geneva).

[TLK]

I'd be interested......

[tucker342]

I'd be interested:)

[FargoFreez aka fof playa]

Hmmm...interesting. I'm game.

[Blade6119]

Im in

[Craptacular]

I actually wanted to do something similar myself (with TW), but I never got the motivation to go through with it. I'd be interested in joining your league.

[JeffNights]

FORE! I'm in!

[The Afoci]

I'm in.

[thealmighty]

Sounds good. Count me in.

[Breeze]

Ok guys. To answer a few questions. I will be using a combination of games that I have found that use dice and charts to determine shots (not ideal, but I've run a few tournaments using prebuilt pros and results were pretty good.)

I thought I had all the issues worked out, including how to get you to build your players, but unfortunately, in hindsight I'm concerned. I want things to be even for all parties. But if I give everyone the same number of points to distribute between skills and attributes, I'm afraid there may not be much difference in player abilities. I may let you create your players and we'll see how much diversity we end up with.

[Katon]

I'm interested.

[vtbub]

ditto

[Breeze]

OK, I've come up with 3 options for creating your golfers:

1) I give you x points to distribute between skills and attributes and you create your golfer from scratch

2) You select a current tour player, adopt his attributes (play level isn't a good indicator of having good playing attributes. Sometimes older players have great attributes, but the skills have slipped).

3) You select the pro player you would like to be. I change the name on the card, and you use their stats and abilities. Obviously if we do this there will be <b>NO TIGER</b> the rest of the players are resonably balanced.


What would you prefer?

[Travis]

Personally, I'd choose option 1, but if you believe option 2 or 3 would make the game more interesting, I can live with those.

Heh, so long winded answer made short, I vote for the one you think would make this the most fun ;)

[Sublime]

I also like #1, but if the others you think would be more entertaining then I don't mind.

[tucker342]

Option 1 is my preference

[StanGunner]

#1

[The_herd]

I'm in, if you're still taking people.

[sterlingice]

I'm curious

SI

[TLK]

#1 or #3 works for me

[klayman]

I'm interested as well.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm in!

And I'm for Option 1

[vtbub]

1 or 3

[thealmighty]

Option #1 seems better, but, as you intimate, it would depend on how many attributes there are. The more attributes, the more spread in our players abilities to play a round and make a difference, instead of everyone shooting a 68 all the time.

[Breeze]

I'll post the skill sets and attributes tomorrow.

I accidently failed to finished option 2 from above. I meant to say that you choose a golfer to use their attributes...i.e. Clutch, Closer, Intimidating, Scrambler, etc.

Then I give you points to distribute for your skills...ie. driving distance, driving accuracy, iron play, putting, etc.

[The_herd]

I'm for option 1 as well.

[Breeze]

OK....here is the way it will work. Each of you have 700 points to distribute between skills and attributes. If you want to PM your breakdown to me..that's fine.


Here are the skills that you will have to set:

Driving Distance
Driving Accuracy
Greens in Regulation
Short Game
Sand Save
Putting

You will rank your abilities between 2 - 11. The higher you set it the more points it will cost you (Duh.)

2 - -10
3 - 0
4 - 10
5 - 25
6 - 50
7 - 70
8 - 100
9 - 130
10 - 165
11 - 200


The attributes include:

<b>Characteristics - Must select 1 of the options</b>

Unfocused - (-30 points)
Normal - (0 points)
Focused - (40 points)
Unflappable - (70 points)

<b>Character</b>

Stubborn - (-10 points)
Choker - (-20 points)
Rattled - (-30 points)
Inconsistent - (-15 points)
Closer - (20 points)
Popular - (15 points)
Hated - (-20 points)
Intimidating - (20 points)
Clutch - (25 points)
Resourceful - (20 points)
Champion Calibur - (75 points)
Dramtic - (30 points)
Streaky - (-15 points)
3 style options - conservative, neutral, aggressive - (30 points)
2 Style option - Neutral plus one of the other 2 - (0 points)
1 Sytle - take your pick - (-10 points)


So you know...each attribute will have the potential for coming into play in every round. Obviously chosing an attribute with a negative rating would seem silly on the surface, but it may allow you additional points to select another attribute that will positively affect your outcomes or up your skill setting somewhere. In addition, some of the attributes with negative ratings can, on occassion help you in a positive way.


If you feel this is too complex we can go back to option 2 or 3...:)

[JAG]

Unneccessary now. Actual stats further down in the post.

[Breeze]

JAG,

Sorry...greens in regulation....in golf it's assumed you'll 2 putt. So greens in regulation means you reach the green with 2 shots to spare to make par. So on a par 4 your second shot is on the green, par 5 your 3rd, par 3 hits the green from the tee. If you miss the green you have to use your short game to save par.

I may have just confused you more. :)

[JAG]

Ok, that makes sense. I understand golf somewhat though not which club to use where, but I don't really like golf. I did enjoy making my golfer however. :) He has a bad allergic reaction to sand, so hopefully he misses most of the traps.

[Breeze]

Opps...Forgot some of the attribute. One of the rule pages was ripped off. Let's try again.

Here are the skills that you will have to set:

Driving Distance
Driving Accuracy
Greens in Regulation
Short Game
Sand Save
Putting

You will rank your abilities between 2 - 11. The higher you set it the more points it will cost you (Duh.)

2 - -10
3 - 0
4 - 10
5 - 25
6 - 50
7 - 70
8 - 100
9 - 130
10 - 165
11 - 200


The attributes include:

Characteristics - Must select 1 of the options

Unfocused - (-30 points)
Normal - (0 points)
Focused - (40 points)
Unflappable - (70 points)

Character

Stubborn - (-10 points)
Choker - (-20 points)
Rattled - (-30 points)
Inconsistent - (-15 points)
Closer - (20 points)
Popular - (15 points)
Hated - (-20 points)
Intimidating - (20 points)
Clutch - (25 points)
Resourceful - (20 points)
Champion Calibur - (75 points)
Dramtic - (30 points)
Streaky - (-15 points)
3 style options - conservative, neutral, aggressive - (30 points)
2 Style option - Neutral plus one of the other 2 - (0 points)
1 Sytle - take your pick - (-10 points)

<b>Here is the new stuff

Fitness - must choose one</b>

Out of Shape - (-30 points)
Wilts - (-10 points)
Normal - (0 points)
Fit - (30 points)
Workout Warrior - (50 points)
Injury Prone (-25 points)
Durable - (15 points)

<b>Ability</b>

Great Course Management - (30 points)
Outstanding Course Managment - (60 Points)
Tactician - (25 points)
Rule Junkie - (20 points)
Scrambler - (30 Points)
Wizard (outstanding scrambler) - (50 points)
Gamesman (15 points)

There ...that's all of them. Maybe we should go with more than 700 points. I thought 700 would force some tough decission on the attributes, and create some differences in player makeup...but I'll let you guys make up your golfers and let me know if more points would be better.

[JAG]

Well, scratch my guy then. :) Can you explain the abilities for those (read: me) who don't understand them? Scrambler? Course management in what way? How does 'rule junkie' help you? Thanks Breeze.

[Breeze]

Each of these abilities can be called upon based on a variable in the game. Some will be called upon more than others, and some will be called upon more based on the course being played, but here is a brief explanation:

<b>Scrambler</b> - The ability to get out of trouble. - i.e. your drive goes in the woods, your able to get out and still make par, where a non-scrambler get a bogey. (Wizard is an even better scrambler)

<b>Course Management</b> - Knows the way around a golf course. Someone good a course management will be able to position themselves in a way to take the best approach to the green, to avoid blind or blocked shots and to avoid unseen obsticles.

<b>Rule Junkie</b> - helps avoid inadvertantly breaking a rule, which can be a 1 or 2 stroke penalty. In addition, it allows players to take advantage of rules which could give them a drop and a better lie or shot.

<b>Tactician</b> - when between clubs or forced to work the ball (left to right, right to left) the tactician always makes the right decision which may result in saving par or shoting birdie.

<b>Gamesmanship</b> - This is more effective in match play, but in stroke play it can be effective as well. In all actuallity it doesn't improve your player, but makes your playing partners worse. If on the leader board and playing with another golfer suseptible to gamesmanship, the other golfer will probably play more poorly than they normally would.


I think that's got it. Let me know if you've got any additional questions.

[The_herd]

This is great, I'll PM my ratings later today.

[TLK]

Originally posted by The_herd
This is great, I'll PM my ratings later today.

Same here, and this looks like it could be a lot of fun.....

[dolfin]

This looks great. I'm game

[JAG]

PM bah! You can all gaze at the wonder of Brian "The Butcher" Babson, pro golfer extraordinaire! Or something like that. ;)

Thanks again Breeze, ok, let's try this then:

Skills

Driving Distance - 11 (200)
Driving Accuracy - 7 (70)
Greens in Regulation - 7 (70)
Short Game - 7 (70)
Sand Save - 2 (-10)
Putting - 6 (50)

Total : 450 (250 left)

Characteristics:

Unflappable (70)

Total 520 (180 left)

Character:

Stubborn (-10)
Inconsistent (-15)
Closer (20)
Hated (-20)
Intimidating (20)
Clutch (25)
Resourceful (20)
Dramatic (30)
1 Style - Aggressive (-10)

Total: 580 (120 left)

Fitness:

Workout Warrior (50)

Total 630 (70 left)

Ability

Wizard (outstanding scrambler) (50 points)
Gamesman (15)

Total 695 (5 left)

Should be fun.

EDITED to make him inconsistent and other traits making him more in line with a boxer playing golf. :)

[StanGunner]

My shot at stardom on the Pro Golf circuit.

Stan Gunner

Skills
Driving Distance 8 (100)
Driving Accuracy 8 (100)
Greens in Regulation 9 (130)
Short Game 8 (100)
Sand Save 5 (25)
Putting 9 (130)
Total 585

Characteristics

Unflappable - (70 points)
Total 655
Character

Clutch - (25 points)
Resourceful - (20 points)
Streaky - (-15 points)
1 Sytle -neutral- (-10 points)
Total 675

Fitness

Normal - (0 points)

Ability

Tactician - (25 points)

Total 700

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm not quite understanding this:

3 style options - conservative, neutral, aggressive - (30 points)
2 Style option - Neutral plus one of the other 2 - (0 points)
1 Sytle - take your pick - (-10 points)

Decipher that for me, please. :)

Edit: Am I reading this correct in thinking that you can spend points to be able to play conservative, neutral and aggresive, when you feel like it?

[Katon]

Driving Distance - 7(70)
Driving Accuracy - 9(130)
Greens in Regulation - 9(130)
Short Game - 7(70)
Sand Save - 5(25)
Putting - 10(165)

2 - -10
3 - 0
4 - 10
5 - 25
6 - 50
7 - 70
8 - 100
9 - 130
10 - 165
11 - 200


Characteristics

Focused - (40 points)

Character

Stubborn - (-10 points)
3 style options - conservative, neutral, aggressive - (30 points)

Fitness

Normal - (0 points)

Ability

Wizard - (50 points)

[JAG]

Originally posted by Coffee Warlord
I'm not quite understanding this:

3 style options - conservative, neutral, aggressive - (30 points)
2 Style option - Neutral plus one of the other 2 - (0 points)
1 Sytle - take your pick - (-10 points)

Decipher that for me, please. :)

Edit: Am I reading this correct in thinking that you can spend points to be able to play conservative, neutral and aggresive, when you feel like it?

Only Breeze can say for sure, but my guess from what he has said is that it gives you the option of playing any of the three styles based on the course (for example, if you suck at sand traps and there's lots of those on the course, maybe you play more conservatively so you don't end up in them).

[Coffee Warlord]

Hell with that. Aggressive! Always!

[Sublime]

Sent my ratings

[MrBug708]

Kyle Kappe III

Driving Distance 7 (70)
Driving Accuracy 9 (130)
Greens in Regulation 8 (100)
Short Game 6 (50)
Sand Save 5 (25)
Putting 9 (130)

505 used, 195 left

Normal - 0

Popular - 15
Champion Caliber - 75
Tactian 25
Scrambler 15

65 left

Durable - 15

50 left

Clutch 25

25 left

Style option 2 with a leaning towards aggressive - 20

5 leftover can be added anywhere

[sterlingice]

Golfer sent via PM.

SI

[JAG]

For color purposes, here's a (relatively) brief biography of Brian "The Butcher" Babson, full-time boxer and part-time golfer:

Brian "The Butcher" Babson is better known for his boxing prowess than his ability on the links. He fights out of the FOFC gym and is currently the 6th ranked Cruiserweight in the Southeast regional division. The wait between fights can sometimes grow as dull as his butcher's knife after prolonged usage, and so he has taken up golf in an effort to keep mentally sharp and prepared for his fights.

As a golfer, Butcher is not as skillful as his peers due to his inexperience (his life to this point had been devoted solely to his butcher and boxing craft). He is especially troubled with sand traps (allergies to sand) and putting (tends to overhit his putts) He is extremely strong and fit due to the Joe Bagadonuts training regimen of carrying dumbbells with him everywhere he goes (the PGA may need to have a word with him on that). In the ring, he has been known to escape trouble against some dangerous fighters and he takes those abilities with him on the golf course. His peers are not particularly fond of him and the butcher's knife he carries around tends to make other nervous. All in all, not true professional material and don't look for him to win on a consistent basis, but he may have his moments.

[Breeze]

CW,

Jag's explanation is basically right. You announce prior to each round how you want to play. Aggressive, Conservative or Neutral. If you choose to go Aggressive always (that's fine..many have) you have the ability to "GO LOW" as they say on the tour. However, your also far more likely to shot a big number, and on sundays with tougher pin placements...always going for the flag can be problem (ask Phil).

To have more than 2 styles you have to pay. Otherwise you can go with 2 or just 1 and place those points elsewhere.

[The_herd]

I made a couple changes to my golfer and sent you a new PM.

[Breeze]

<b>Quick Update</b>

So far I have received golfers from:

JAG
MrBug708
Kanton
Stan Gunner
Coffee Warlord
FargoFreez
SterlingIce
The_herd
Dolfin
Sublime

I'm quite pleased so far. Despite the fact all the golfers have the same stats, I'm getting a pretty diverse group as far as attributes and skills. Hopefully that will translate into a good read.

I'm currently working on the actual tour stops. I think there will be 15 tourneys with 3 majors:

The majors will be:

The Masters (yes I have an Augusta National course)
The Brittish Open @ St. Andrews
The US Open at Pinehurst (I think I have that coures..I'll have to look back)

I'm pretty sure we will also have stops at Pebble Beach and TPC Sawgrass.

I have to put the order of the tourney's down. I'd like to have a 4th major...but I really need to find another course first.

[Coffee Warlord]

Predicitons!

Rob "Coffee Warlord" Nielsen will take home 2 of the 3 majors!

[The_herd]

Marshall "Thunder" Herd expect to take a couple of the majors and bring home "player of the year" honors.

Sorry CW, there isn't enough room in this dynasty for both of us.

[Coffee Warlord]

Guess you gotta take a walk, then, herd. :)

[Blade6119]

mine comin tonight by PM, just got home

[Coffee Warlord]

No PGA Championship, Breezer? We gotta have the big 4 going (even if you play it at a random course)

[MrBug708]

Kyle Kappe III has the look of a Champion. Will he be all hype like Phil Mickelson?

[tucker342]

just sent:)

[pskov]

I'll come out of the lurkers cupboard to play this. :)

Statting up now...

[Breeze]

<b>2004 FOFC Golf Tour Schedule</b>

Week 1 - AT&T Pebble Beach National - Pebble Beach
Week 2 - Bay Hill Invitational - Bay Hill
Week 3 - Players Championship - TPC Sawgrass
Week 4 - Bell South Classic - Atlanta Athletic Club
<b>Week 5 - The Masters - Augusta National</b>
Week 6 - The Heritage - Harbour Town
Week 7 - Bank of America Colonial Tournament - Colonial Country Club
Week 8 - Ford Championships - Wentworth
Week 9 - Shell Open - Old Waverly CC
Week 10 - Honda Classic - Annadale CC
<b>Week 11 - The US Open - Pinehurst</b>
Week 12 - FedEx St. Jude Classic - Brown Deer
<b>Week 13 - The Brittish Open - St. Andrews</b>
Week 14 - Memorial Tournament - Muirfield Village
Week 15 - Buick Classic - Southern Hills
Week 16 - Wachovia Championships - Spyglass Hill
Week 17 - BC Open - Riviera CC
<b>Week 18 - PGA Championships - Firestone CC</b>

[Coffee Warlord]

Whoo! PGA at Firestone! The one course I've played at!

(My grandfather practically lived on that course way back in the day.)

[The_herd]

Maybe I'll let you win that one then.:D

[pskov]

Duncan Baxter

Born: Glasgow, Scotland
D.O.B.: 9th April 1975

Baxters' typical Glaswegian traits make him a fierce battler and strong minded. He possess an excellent golfing brain, giving him an eye for position on the course. On the technical side he is as fine a putter as you've ever seen play the sport giving him a tremendous edge late on the greens. His excellent irons and short game means he won't often miss it either. However, his driving is nothing special in the modern game and sand has caused him to come unstuck on more than one occasion. Away from the course, his conservative playing style and Scottish demeanour have made him unpopular with the media as well as with some fans. Not that it bothers Baxter.

Skills
Driving Distance - 7 (70pts)
Driving Accuracy - 7 (70pts)
Greens in Regulation - 9 (130pts)
Short Game - 9 (70pts)
Sand Save - 5 (25pts)
Putting - 11 (200pts)

Characteristics
Focused - (40pts)

Character
Closer - (20pts)
Stubborn - (-10pts)
Hated - (-20pts)
1 style option - Conservative (-10 points)

Fitness
Normal - (0pts)

Abilities
Tactician - (25pts)
Great Course Management - (30pts)

TOTAL: 700pts

[pskov]

Breeze, any chance of an end of year World Matchplay or something for the best 8 players?

[Breeze]

We'll certainly consider it. I have rules for a match play tournament. They will probably need some adjustments...but I should be able to make those.

[Breeze]

OK...I've got 13 players signed up. I still need player names from:

Katon
dolfin

Players signed up are:

Brian Babson
Stan Gunner
Kyle Kappe III
AJ Tucker
Rolin Bywater
Marshall Herd
Michael Weideman
Sterling Silvers
Rob Nielsen
Duncan Baxter
Owen Hunter
(and the 2 still needing names)

If you signed up and you don't see your name listed...please repost your player. Because I've now created the player cards for the players listed above and have cleaned out my mailbox..so I obviously missed it.

[Breeze]

By my quick count...which was real hard because I ran out of didgits...I count 23 people that signed up to play. So quite a few players still need to get their golfers in.

I'll give people a few more days to get their information in. If they don't get it in...we'll start and they will just miss the first few tourneys.

[Katon]

Call mine Alan Kelmay, then.

[vtbub]

pm sent

[TLK]

sent

[dolfin]

Call mine:

Kevin Wayne

[JeffNights]

Jeffrey "Sweet Spot" Nights


Driving Distance-8 (100)
Driving Accuracy-11 (200)
Greens in Regulation-8 (100)
Short Game-6 (50)
Sand Save-4 (10)
Putting- 7 (70)

The attributes include:

Characteristics - Must select 1 of the options

Focused - (40 points)


Character

Intimidating - (20 points)
3 style options - aggressive - (30 points)


Here is the new stuff

Fitness - must choose one

Workout Warrior - (50 points)


Ability

Great Course Management - (30 points)

[RPI-Fan]

(will send soon)

[kingfc22]

PM sent

[Breeze]

OK...I hate to do this...but unfortunately I have to.

The file I used to create the golfers for the game is corrupt...so I'll have to recreate them. Not a problem (other than it's time consuming), but I cleaned out my inbox so it wouldn't get full. Meaning - I deleted some of the golfers. If you have them...just resend. If you have to recreate them...I appologize.

I currently have all the golfers posted on the thread and:


vtbub
TheLionKing
AnalBumcover
kingfc22
RPI-fan
Blade6119

Sorry again.

[Breeze]

If my counts are correct...we have 20 people signed up. (and more who expressed interest earlier, but haven't sent in a golfer).

If that is correct...we'll start the season as soon as we get 20+ players entered.

[MrBug708]

Let's go guys. I want this started!

[tucker342]

So ummm who's ready to get their asses kicked?:D

[Craptacular]

Whoops, I haven't checked in lately. I'll try to get you some ratings tonight.

[Craptacular]

Name: <b>It's Craptacular</b>

<b>Ratings</b>
Driving Distance: 7 (+70)
Driving Accuracy: 7 (+70)
Greens in Regulation: 9 (+130)
Short Game: 6 (+50)
Sand Save: 4 (+10)
Putting: 11 (+200)

subtotal: (+530);
running total: (+530); 170 remaining

<b>Characteristics</b>

Normal - (0 points)

running total: (+530); 170 remaining

<b>Character</b>

Stubborn - (-10 points)
Closer - (20 points)
Clutch - (25 points)
Resourceful - (20 points)
Streaky - (-15 points)
2 Style option - Neutral plus aggressive - (0 points)

subtotal: (+40)
running total: (+570); 130 remaining

<b>Fitness</b>

Normal - (0 points);

<b>Ability</b>
Outstanding Course Managment - (60 Points)
Tactician - (25 points)
Scrambler - (30 Points)
Gamesman (15 points)

subtotal: (+130)
running total: (+700); 0 remaining

[Breeze]

<b>Golfer's Entered</b>

Here is a list of the golfers entered (if you don't see your name and your player was entered...he must of been one of the players lost in the corrupt file - please resend)


Marshall "Thundering" Herd
Bradley Nowell
It's Craptacular
Kevin Wayne
Jeff "Sweat Spot" Nights
Duncan Baxter
Alan Kelmay
Kyle Kappe III
Brain "the Butcher" Babson
Ron Juckett
Kevin Boroniec
Jimmy Fujita
David Gonzalez
Kyle Smith
Colton Mayes
Stan Gunner

<b>That's 16</b>

These names were listed before as having been entered...but I currently don't have the resent data:

AJ Tucker
Rolin Bywater <i> Data on it's way</i>
Sterling Silvers
Rob Nielsen
Owen Hunter


Others initially expressed interest, but haven't sent in a golfer.

We'll start the season when we get 20+ entries (meaning if the 5 listed above resend their data..we can start), and I won't go above 30 players.

[Breeze]

Corbes and Travis have entered:

Rolin Bywater <i>(data received via PM)</i> and Fad Braxton

That gives us 18 players, with 4 previously signed up that need to resubmit their players, and others welcome.

[Coffee Warlord]

Ah, whoops. Misread your post, and thought you still had mine. En route now.

[thealmighty]

Name: T.E. "god" Almighty (as in, "God, Almighty, why did I HIT that shot?")

Ratings
Driving Distance: 7 (+70)
Driving Accuracy: 8 (+100)
Greens in Regulation: 8 (+100)
Short Game: 8 (+100)
Sand Save: 5 (+25)
Putting: 9 (+130)

total: (+525); 175 remaining

Characteristics
Focused - (40 points)

total: (+565); 135 remaining

Character
Stubborn - (-10 points)
Closer - (20 points)
Clutch - (25 points)
Resourceful - (20 points)
1 Style - neutral - (-10 points)

total: (+610); 90 remaining

Fitness
Durable - (15 points)

total: (+625); 75 remaining

Ability
Great Course Management - (30 points)
Scrambler - (30 Points)
Gamesman (15 points)

total: (+700); 0 remaining

[Blade6119]

thats 20...want to wait for the other two?

[RPI-Fan]

I say we give until tomorrow for anyone else, then get started tomorrow night!

<i>edit: assuming that fits in with Breeze's schedule</i>

[FargoFreez aka fof playa]

Just re-sent mine.

Thanks

[tucker342]

okay..... resending now:)

[tucker342]

sent

[Breeze]

We now have 23 golfers signed up. I am ready to begin.

A few questions before we start. Do you want to keep using this thread or start a new one...where the sign up stuff can be skipped?

I need to know how you want to work the tournaments. Since there is no prize money, and I'm not going to figure our prize money per event, we can't have a leading money winner. However, we can implement a point system based on your finish. The one with the most points at the end of the season would equal the money winner. The points could be a standard number for the winner through everyone making the cut (DID I MENTION THAT THE CUT WILL BE THE TOP HALF OF THE TOURNEY PLUS TIES), except for majors which will be X times higher points. Or you can suggest points prior to each tournament, which would create some diviation between events. Like if a tournament didn't have as much money to pay out. Let me know how you want to proceed.

[Breeze]

All golfers with multiple options on style of play...please give me:

<b>Golfer name<i> (saves me from having to look it back up) </b>and style prefered for round 1 of the Pebble Beach Classic</b>

[The_herd]

Marshall Herd-Neutral

[corbes]

Fad Braxton - Neutral

(you got my PM about the small edit to Fad?)

Kinda like the different amount of points for each event. You could draw a random multiplier before each event, if you wanted.

And the courses are realistic representations of the actual course? How are you determining results?

[vtbub]

Ron Juckett-Aggressive

[JAG]

Originally posted by Breeze
We now have 23 golfers signed up. I am ready to begin.

A few questions before we start. Do you want to keep using this thread or start a new one...where the sign up stuff can be skipped?

I need to know how you want to work the tournaments. Since there is no prize money, and I'm not going to figure our prize money per event, we can't have a leading money winner. However, we can implement a point system based on your finish. The one with the most points at the end of the season would equal the money winner. The points could be a standard number for the winner through everyone making the cut (DID I MENTION THAT THE CUT WILL BE THE TOP HALF OF THE TOURNEY PLUS TIES), except for majors which will be X times higher points. Or you can suggest points prior to each tournament, which would create some diviation between events. Like if a tournament didn't have as much money to pay out. Let me know how you want to proceed.

My thoughts:

1. Start a new thread.

2. Point system seems like a good idea. Maybe pick a certain multiple of points per non-major tournament, like 100 points for 50% of them, 150 for 25%, and 200 for 25%. Majors are worth...400? Just an idea. I tried figuring out how to divide the points per tournament for first, second, etc... but didn't come up with anything great. I'm willing to go ahead with whatever you come up with.

JAG

[Sublime]

Bradley Nowell - Aggressive

[Blade6119]

Colton Mayes - Nuetral

[RPI-Fan]

1. New Thread
2. Random Multiplyer for each tourney, plus a pre-determined amount for majors (maybe 3x for Masters + US open, 2.5x for British, 2x for PGA).

[RPI-Fan]

Kyle Smith: Conservative.

[Katon]

Alan Kelmay: neutral

I think once everyone's entered their style we ought to switch threads. Don't really have much of an opinion on points.

[RPI-Fan]

FWIW, if Breeze doesn't want to deal with it, I'd be willing to come up with a points, or even, money system for the events.

[Travis]

Rolin Bywater, Neutral

[AnalBumCover]

Jimmy Fujita - Neutral

[sterlingice]

Sterling Silvers, neutral

As for thread, I don't really care if it's long or short (ie all in one or not)

A suggestion for points (haven't worked out the math entirely, tho):
Majors worth triple points
3 points for making the cut (since only half do)
Let's just say there are 30 golfers (just take off the last few if we don't have 30)
1st: 50 (+5)
2nd: 45 (+4)
3rd: 41 (+4)
4th: 37 (+3)
5th: 34 (+3)
6th: 31 (+3)
7th: 28 (+2)
8th: 26 (+2)
9th: 24 (+2)
10th: 22 (+2)
11th: 20 (+2)
12th: 18 (+2)
13th-30th: 1 point per rank from 17 to 0

So, in other words, you get 5 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd or 3rd, 3 for 4th thru 6th, 2 for 7th thru 12th, and 1 for everyone below that (who likely didn't make the cut).

SI

[kingfc22]

David Gonzalez - neutral

[FargoFreez aka fof playa]

Michael Weideman, Aggressive

[MrBug708]

Kyle Kappe III

Aggressive

[Breeze]

I am waiting on feedback from:

It's Craptacular
Kevin Wayne
Kevin Boroniec
Jeff Nights

No hints, because I don't want to influence anyones decision on how to play, but I have a few rounds completed. It takes a little longer than I expected to play, but it seems to be working out well.

RPI-Fan - if you want to handle the point system (money system) that would be great. I would recommend that the non-majors award points differently. Something like JAG recommended, and the majors can be different from each other as well, but still higher than the regular events.

The plan I was working off of was:

The regular events offer around 250 total points (some slightly more some less. The points would be broken out like this:

75-50-25-20-15-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 (again this is for the top 15 finishers) - adjusted slightly for tourneys with more or less points.

The majors would be multiplied by X.

Obviously if there is a tie - you would take the points for the 2 spots add them together and split the points evenly between the players. ie. two way tie for second, add 2nd and 3rd place points and divide by 2.

I'll start a new thread when I begin posting the tourny results, I have to figure out how to write up the results.

I thought about trying to do it like a broadcast, but that would be very time consuming. I thought about doing a summary of everyones rounds, but that might be too boaring. Give me your ideas on how you would like the dynasty to read.

[RPI-Fan]

If you did it like a broadcast, that would be incredible. I, personally, woulnd't mind having this move a little slower if it meant we could do it that way.

If that'd still be too much work, or if others don't feel the same way, a summary of each person's round would be very immersive.

[RPI-Fan]

Also: How many golfers per event?

[Craptacular]

It's Craptacular: neutral

[tucker342]

AJ Tucker: Neutral

[JAG]

Breeze,

For broadcast, were you planning on reporting every shot of every golfer for every hole? I could see how that might take a verrrrrry long time to report and I'm not sure I care to hear every detail. For round summaries, were you planning on just stating the details or having "expert commentary" on the round summaries for the players? I think the latter would be more entertaining.

For what it's worth, you might try doing one round one way and the next round a different way. Then you can get a feeling for what most people would prefer.

Reommendation too: You might want to set up a system for players announcing their styles prior to rounds, or it could take a while to get everyone's information. This might be too complicated, but maybe people can pm you and give you their parameters (e.g. play conservative the opening round, if I'm missing the cut by 3 strokes in round 2 play aggressive, by 1 stroke play neutral, in the last round play aggressive if 5 strokes off the leader, and so on). Then if they wanted to change their parameters before different tournaments, they could pm you with changes or you can just go with what you have. It'll take more time upfront, but it should save you a lot of time in the future so you don't have to wait days for eveyone to send in their requests.

If you (or other) people don't like that, you could set up a specific amount of time between you posting rounds that people could respond by (or if they know/think they won't be around, they can let you know in advance). That way you don't have to go hunt everyone down.

[Breeze]

I like the idea of announcing prior to the event your parameters of play. At least for the first two round. Then if you make the cut you can send your plans for the final two rounds. If you guys would prefer to announce prior to every round that's fine with me, but JAG is right...it will take a while.

As far as reporting. I'll do it a number of ways...you can give me thumbs up and down on your preferences. Right now I'm leaning toward something like this:

Prior to round 1 give a high level overview of the course.

For rounds 1 and 2...going with:

Break up the players by their groupings, and describe the results by hole.

ie.
<b>Hole 1 - Par 4</b>

Brian Babson - Par - <b>Even</b>

Sterling Silvers - Birdie - <b>- 1</b>
Great approach shot left Silvers with an 8 foot birdie putt which he drained

Jeff Nights - Par - <b>Even</b>
Jeff drains a 24 foot putt to save par.

For rounds 3 and 4...I'm still deciding how to play it out. I think I'll use a similar format, but rather than take the players from 1 thru 18 then going with the next group...I'll bounce around, add a little more commentary and post the leaderboard periodically. It will be much easier to do that with only 12 to 18 players.

<b><i>RPI - everyone in the thread will compete in every tourney. Right now that's 23 players. Half the field plus ties make the cut. So 11 or 12 plus ties.</b></i>

Let me

[RPI-Fan]

Ah - k. Will work out the money system later tonight. I have a pretty good idea on how I'm going to do it.

I think you wouldn't need to say how players did on EACH hole - maybe only when they make a great par save, or a birdie, or bogey or something. If I drive the ball 250 in the fairway, hit an approach to 20 feet, and 2-putt, it doesn't seem THAT necessary to know exactly what happened.

Also, I'd suggest that we start a new thread for each tournament - this thing will get cluttered awful fast if we don't.

[Breeze]

I can do the different threads per tourney.

Also I agree on detailing each shot. That's why in the example above I have:

Brian Babson - Par - <b>Even</b>

This indicates nothing of interest happened on this hole.

[JAG]

In the future, it might be a good idea to announce the overview of the course prior to people declaring what style they want to use. If they know they're coming to a course with tons of sand traps for example and their guy can't hit a lick out of a bunker, they might choose to play more conservatively. Just a thought.

[corbes]

But the people, like me, who know what all the courses are like might want to jealously guard that knowledge to keep their edge ;)

[JAG]

LOL After I posted that, I figured I was in the minority with my (lack of) golf knowledge. Not that my guy can use more than one style anyway. :)

[Breeze]

JAG,

It is take under advisement, and will be done moving forward.

[TLK]

didn't see this till now....

Kevin Boroniec: Neutral

[RPI-Fan]

K - I've got the money system worked out.

I've made 5 Tiers of events - the majors have a purse of $1m, progressing down to $200k for the lowest events.

I can easily adjust the purses as needed - everything is formulated in a QuattroPro spreadsheet.

Basically, just tell me what you think each of the 5 levels of events should be.

Right now they are:

$1m
$800k
$600k
$400k
$200k

[sterlingice]

Heck, I know even less about golf than probably everyone in this thread. I had to go look up what "sand save" was. But this is quite cool. I'm trying to figure out how you can do this dynasty without it taking years off your life, tho. There's going to be a lot of stuff to post.

SI

[RPI-Fan]

I think, at lesat for the first two rounds, it's more practical to give a front 9-back 9 review of each group. That way you don't even have to mention if someone pars four holes in a row. Should save a bit of time.

[RPI-Fan]

Tier 1 Tier 2 Tier 3 Tier 4 Tier 5
35.00% 1st 70000 140000 210000 280000 350000
20.00% 2nd 40000 80000 120000 160000 200000
15.00% 3rd 30000 60000 90000 120000 150000
10.00% 4th 20000 40000 60000 80000 100000
6.00% 5th 12000 24000 36000 48000 60000
4.00% 6th 8000 16000 24000 32000 40000
3.00% 7th 6000 12000 18000 24000 30000
2.50% 8th 5000 10000 15000 20000 25000
2.00% 9th 4000 8000 12000 16000 20000
1.50% 10th 3000 6000 9000 12000 15000
1.00% 11th 2000 4000 6000 8000 10000
Total 100.00% 200000 400000 600000 800000 1000000

[RPI-Fan]

Here are the tiers I've come up with...

2004 FOFC Golf Tour Schedule

Week 1 - AT&T Pebble Beach National - Pebble Beach - 3
Week 2 - Bay Hill Invitational - Bay Hill - 2
Week 3 - Players Championship - TPC Sawgrass - 4
Week 4 - Bell South Classic - Atlanta Athletic Club - 2
Week 5 - The Masters - Augusta National - 5
Week 6 - The Heritage - Harbour Town - 3
Week 7 - Bank of America Colonial Tournament - Colonial Country Club - 1
Week 8 - Ford Championships - Wentworth - 1
Week 9 - Shell Open - Old Waverly CC - 2
Week 10 - Honda Classic - Annadale CC - 1
Week 11 - The US Open - Pinehurst - 5
Week 12 - FedEx St. Jude Classic - Brown Deer - 1
Week 13 - The Brittish Open - St. Andrews - 5
Week 14 - Memorial Tournament - Muirfield Village - 2
Week 15 - Buick Classic - Southern Hills - 3
Week 16 - Wachovia Championships - Spyglass Hill - 2
Week 17 - BC Open - Riviera CC - 1
Week 18 - PGA Championships - Firestone CC - 4

[vtbub]

That leave's us with only three majors.

I'm not partial to the PGA, but that or the Players should count as a major.

[JAG]

Seems like a pretty decent distribution of tournaments to me. The two 4's are close to majors money-wise and the majority of the events are 1's and 2's (2.5-5 times less money than the majors). Nice work RPI-fan. FYI, I went to RPI for undergrad. :)

[RPI-Fan]

The PGA isn't a very prestigous major... that's why I rated it as a 4. If people want all 4 majors in the same category, that's fine by me. The way I ranked it was just my opinion.

[RPI-Fan]

Originally posted by JAG
Seems like a pretty decent distribution of tournaments to me. The two 4's are close to majors money-wise and the majority of the events are 1's and 2's (2.5-5 times less money than the majors). Nice work RPI-fan. FYI, I went to RPI for undergrad. :)

Heh, I'm going to RPI now, and my dad currently lives right in your neck of the woods.

[RPI-Fan]

I'm concerned that my purses give too much advantage to the majors. I'm thinking of raising the value of the lower tiered tournaments. Thoughts?

[vtbub]

The money seems fine.

Where we going to do points too?

[RPI-Fan]

I think the points was what Breeze was going to use since it wouldn't take much time to do.

I don't see much need for both points and $$.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by RPI-Fan
I'm concerned that my purses give too much advantage to the majors. I'm thinking of raising the value of the lower tiered tournaments. Thoughts?

Maybe something to the effect of $1M, 850K, 700K, 600K, 500K. Or maybe not. You're the one keeping track :D

SI

[sterlingice]

For the writeups, I agree with whoever said do a writeup for each 9 holes with maybe one little highlight for each hole. Something like

Sterling Silvers: 47 (+11): Sterling's ball enjoyed going for a swim. I mean, a lot! On 3, 4, and 8 he hit the water which is all the more impressive since the only water on 8 was the drinking glass of a guy in the gallery. His worst hole was 4 where he hit the water twice before hitting a bunker and getting a quadruple bogey 8.

Brian Babson: 35 (-1): Brian had a decent day. The score is all the more remarkable considering four of his initial shots missed the fairway but he saved three of them with brilliant second shots onto the green. His best hole was the 4 where he had to make a 32 foot putt to get a birdie. But he's still a crappier boxer than Hurricane.

Then, on the last day, if it's close (and I'm guessing most will be), do a hole by hole thing with the guys trying to win. Maybe the same on the second day- do the 17 and 18 if there's a scramble to make the cut.

SI

[korme]

If it is not too late, I would like to get on this.

[pskov]

Originally posted by RPI-Fan
I think the points was what Breeze was going to use since it wouldn't take much time to do.

I don't see much need for both points and $$.

I think that a points and money system would work well. Many of the tour events pay big bucks but ultimatley don't carry much prestiege. However, winning the Masters or the British will get a LOT more prestiege than winning even the most pretigious tourn events.

So maybe you have a tier for money that goes:

$1m (Majors)
$850k
$700k
$600k
$450k

but prestiege goes something like:

1000 points (Masters, US, British)
800 points (TPC, PGA)
350 points
200 points
100 points

Just my take.

[RPI-Fan]

Adjusting the money values is a cinch.

Adding a points system isn't a big deal either - I'll do some tinkering tonite.

[JeffNights]

Jeffrey nights- Neutral

[JAG]

Shorty, I'd say go ahead and make your golfer ASAP following the outline in the first page and either post it here or PM Breeze with it along with your preferred style (aggressive, neutral, conservative) for round 1 if you have a choice of styles.

pskov: Good idea on the point system too, although it doesn't look like there'll be that much difference between points and money. I'm pretty ignorant about golf, are there any events that would have greater prestige but less of a money payout? Would it make more sense to give each tournament a separate prestige value and a money value?

Example: PGA Tournament is not as high prestige as a masters (4 prestige on the 5 point scale) but it pays a ton (5 money), while the British Open is very prestigous (5 prestige) but golfers play it only for that (2 money).

RPI-fan, do you have any clue on this?

BTW, SI:

But he's still a crappier boxer than Hurricane.

That made me laugh out loud. :)

[korme]

Shane Kormelink has been made ASAP ;).

Here are the skills that you will have to set:

Driving Distance - 7 (70)
Driving Accuracy - 8 (100)
Greens in Regulation - 7 (70)
Short Game - 7 (70)
Sand Save - 5 (25)
Putting - 11 (200)

TOTAL: 535



Characteristics - Must select 1 of the options

Focused - (40 points)

TOTAL: 575


Character

Stubborn - (-10 points)
Closer - (20 points)
Clutch - (25 points)
Resourceful - (20 points)

55 + 575 TOTAL: 630


Style : Neutral (-10 points)

-10 + 630 TOTAL: 620

Fitness - Normal - (0 points)


Ability

Great Course Management - (30 points)
Wizard (outstanding scrambler) - (50 points)

Wizard, Course Manage (80) + TOTAL: 700

[JAG]

Welcome aboard. :)

[RPI-Fan]

Jag: That's the right idea, although the British would only drop to a 3 or 4, I'd say.

Some bigger adjustments could be made with the lower tourneys - a lot of them could be a 3 in the money, but 1 in prestige (I'm sure the Ford tourney pays a lot of $$, but isn't very prestigous).

[JAG]

Cool RPI-Fan, well whatever you knowledgable golf-types figure out for prestige/money ratings for tourneys, I'll happily agree to it.

[RPI-Fan]

2004 FOFC Golf Tour Schedule

Week 1 - AT&T Pebble Beach National - Pebble Beach - 4/3
Week 2 - Bay Hill Invitational - Bay Hill - 2/3
Week 3 - Players Championship - TPC Sawgrass - 5/4
Week 4 - Bell South Classic - Atlanta Athletic Club - 2/2
Week 5 - The Masters - Augusta National - 5/5
Week 6 - The Heritage - Harbour Town - 3/2
Week 7 - Bank of America Colonial Tournament - Colonial Country Club - 1/3
Week 8 - Ford Championships - Wentworth - 1/1
Week 9 - Shell Open - Old Waverly CC - 1/2
Week 10 - Honda Classic - Annadale CC - 1/1
Week 11 - The US Open - Pinehurst - 5/5
Week 12 - FedEx St. Jude Classic - Brown Deer - 1/1
Week 13 - The Brittish Open - St. Andrews - 5/5
Week 14 - Memorial Tournament - Muirfield Village - 2/4
Week 15 - Buick Classic - Southern Hills - 3/3
Week 16 - Wachovia Championships - Spyglass Hill - 3/2
Week 17 - BC Open - Riviera CC - 1/1
Week 18 - PGA Championships - Firestone CC - 4/5

First number = Money, 2nd # = Prestige

[RPI-Fan]

Points system soon to follow...

[Craptacular]

Originally posted by RPI-Fan
The PGA isn't a very prestigous major... that's why I rated it as a 4. If people want all 4 majors in the same category, that's fine by me. The way I ranked it was just my opinion.

As someone who has spent $600 for two passes to the 2004 PGA, I have to disagree. :) Make it a 5.

[Breeze]

I like the money/prestige system. Until this was discussed I was going to recommend creating a 5th level of money to separate the 3 big majors from the PGA and the PGA from the regular events. However, this new system address that nicely.

Shorty...got your golfer.

[RPI-Fan]

Breeze: I'm going to make a spreadsheet to automatically track stats... Should make this a bit more immersive.

[Breeze]

RPI and SI,

I will go with your suggestions for breaking down the front and back 9 of the first two rounds. That will make things much quicker to post. Then we can decide where to go for the weekend rounds. Maybe my original idea of breaking down the playing partners by hole.

[Breeze]

RPI,

Awesome, the more help the better.

[Craptacular]

Originally posted by JAG

Example: PGA Tournament is not as high prestige as a masters (4 prestige on the 5 point scale) but it pays a ton (5 money), while the British Open is very prestigous (5 prestige) but golfers play it only for that (2 money).


FYI, the Open (talking about the British) champ made more money ($1.1 mill) than any of the other majors ($1.08 mill). I believe the Open used to have a smaller purse, but they've now brought it in line with the payouts of the other majors.

[JAG]

Originally posted by Craptacular
FYI, the Open (talking about the British) champ made more money ($1.1 mill) than any of the other majors ($1.08 mill). I believe the Open used to have a smaller purse, but they've now brought it in line with the payouts of the other majors.

Crap,

I first point you to the "I'm ignorant about golf" phrase I mentioned...:)...then agree that I should've said "Hypothetical example" since I really had no clue what I was talking about.

JAG

[Craptacular]

Don't worry, I wasn't picking on you. As I said, the Open used to lag behind the other majors in prize money.

[Breeze]

The FOFC Golf Tour has begun:

<b>Tour stop - 1
<b>AT&T Pebble Beach National - Pebble Beach Country Club</B> (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18861)

[sterlingice]

Psst... wrong link ;)

SI

[Breeze]

Si...I'm have to go to a link I made previous and then alter it....:)

Give me a second....damn your quick.

[sterlingice]

Well, I'm subscribed to the thread and have email notification on Trillian, so, uh, yeah ;)

But anyways, back to studying.

SI

[The_herd]

I think the greatest perk to being stationed in Monterey, CA. for 2 years was Pebble Beach was a stone's throw away.

[MrBug708]

Herd, were you in the Linguist School?

Message SI lol

[tucker342]

The point and money system both look good to me:)

[The_herd]

Originally posted by MrBug708
Herd, were you in the Linguist School?



Was there from '98-'99, and most recently from June of '02 until July of this year.

[Blade]

Damn, I assume I missed the boat on this one...

Will there be sign-ups for a future season?

[JAG]

Blade,

Breeze has said if someone comes in late that he'll just plop 'em down in the tour with the rest of us. I'd say go ahead and post your golfer or pm your golfer to Breeze using the outline on the first page, along with your preferred style (aggressive, neutral, conservative) for round 1 if you have a choice of styles. He might still be able to get you in this first tourn if you get it to him quickly.

[Blade]

Thanks JAG,

Breeze, I sent you a PM, if you still have room.