"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him!" (Saddam captured.)

[Ragone]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/14/sprj.irq.main/index.html


hmm.. wonder if its not one of his body doubles

[Ragone]

Man.. wild night to have insomnia.. News conference scheduled for 6am cst

[Ben E Lou]

Wow.

[Chief Rum]

Watching right now. Yay for insomnia. Well, no, I can sleep whenever I want. I'm just a late night guy. :)

CR

[Ben E Lou]

Glad mrskippy isn't here to make this comment blow up, but gotta say it:

MSNBC: "Saddam Hussein captured in Iraq."

CNN: "US Officials: Saddam possibly captured."

FOX: "Saddam Captured"

ABC: "Saddam Hussein In Custody"

Interesting.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Chief Rum
Watching right now. Yay for insomnia. Well, no, I can sleep whenever I want. I'm just a late night guy. :)

CR Well, I just woke up to the news. Nice morning news after the tough loss last night.

[GrantDawg]

I've been up for a couple of hours, but just now turned on the TV. Woo-hoo!

[Ben E Lou]

"Suspect had millions of dollars in U.S. cash."

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by SkyDog
"Suspect had millions of dollars in U.S. cash."

"Some of which is in a PFC's duffel bag right now." :)

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by GrantDawg
"Some of which is in a PFC's duffel bag right now." :) :D

[Ben E Lou]

Wow. He attempted to bury himself in the basement. They had to dig him out.

[SirFozzie]

alle-fricking-leuia.

My father (recently retired, after 30-some-odd years in the Air National Guard, retired as a Senior Master Sgt :)), was called up for Desert Shield/Storm.

Seeing this jackass brought to justice in front of a international council will be worth losing him for six months and him leaving two days before Christmas for deployment.

[Ben E Lou]

Apparently the European Union doesn't want to him executed. Gee, that's a shocker. :rolleyes:

[Ben E Lou]

News conference about to start.

[HornedFrog Purple]

heh I thought this was kind of interesting...

In the United States, a U.S. official told NBC News that the military believed that Saddam has been captured although it is awaiting DNA confirmation.

[Ben E Lou]

First words of press conference: "Ladies and gentlemen, we got him."

[Nyarlahotep]

Well, this is some good news to wake up to.

[oykib]

They're showing video of him now.

Hot damn!!!

edited for quick-typing, moronic grammar blunders

[Ben E Lou]

Arab reporters openly celebrating, one can be heard sobbing with joy. Wow.

[Ben E Lou]

CNN reporting that they were yelling. "Death To Hussein."

[GrantDawg]

The crying brought me to tears. You should change the title of this thread to "We got him!"

[ice4277]

Excellent!

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by GrantDawg
The crying brought me to tears. You should change the title of this thread to "We got him!" Same on the tears.

Good call.

[Philliesfan980]

Wow, I thought this day would never come. Now they gotta find Bin Ladin.

[QuikSand]

I hope that (for reasons I don't fully understand) this can quickly lead to a reduction of the loss of life in that country.

[JPhillips]

Good for us. I doubt this will make a significant impact in the long-term problems in Iraq, but its got to be a great moral booster for the guys in country.

Now the big question is what do we do with him.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by JPhillips
Now the big question is what do we do with him. Yup.

[Ajaxab]

One would think the US better be wary of a potential suicide attempt from Saddam. It would be the 'perfect' way for him to go out as his few remaining supporters could then blame the US for his death and use it as motivation for their own future activity.

[MizzouRah]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Wow.


My thoughts exactly.



Todd

[JonInMiddleGA]

Now lemme see ... where did we put that rope?

[robbgmaier]

Originally posted by JPhillips

Now the big question is what do we do with him.


Fear Factor

[Calis]

I smell a reality TV Show in the making.

[Flasch186]

Unfortunately the fighting in Iraq has nothing to do with Saddam and therefore wont stop. This is simply put Al Qaeda. They have left Afghanistan for the greener pastures of Iraq and thus we need to concentrate on exterminating that end. this will be even more difficult as our troops and pols have to concentrate on nation building at the same time as fighting Al Qaeda. I hope our troops stay strong and my prayers are with them.

[maximus]

Lets just killed the bastard.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA
Now lemme see ... where did we put that rope? Unfortunately, I'm guessing potential political fallout, world opinion, etc. is going to be a large consideration, making a little Charlie Daniels justice out of the question.



"If I had my way with people sellin' dope
We'd take a long tall tree and short piece o' rope
And hang 'em up high and let 'em swang 'til the sun goes down...

As far as I'm concerned there ain't no excuse
For the rapin' and the killin' and the child abuse
And I got a way to put an end to all that mess.
Just take them rascals out in the swamp.
Put 'em on their knees and tie 'em to a stump
And let the rattlers and the bugs and the alligators do the rest."

Charlie Daniels, "Simple Man"

[The_herd]

The AP is reporting that the Iraqi governing body is under the assumption that he will be tried for war crimes by the Iraqi tribunal that was, convieniently, assembled last week.

"Saddam will stand a public trial so that the Iraqi people will know his crimes... -Ahmad Chalabi, member of Iraq's Governing Council

[Ben E Lou]

He had a pistol with him. I'm surprised that he neither resisted nor shot himself.

[Buccaneer]

Good news to hear this morning. The first site I check in my rounds is foxnews (briefly) and when I saw "We Got Him", I thought it was another abductor/kidnapper of a young girl. Then I saw who it was and just said, "wow".

[DeToxRox]

Just an FYI, My dad in Vietnam was also part of the 4th Infantry Divison that caught him. Obviously between now and then there've been many soldiers who have been in that infantry, but none the less, it's a very awesome tidbit.

[tucker rocky]

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20031214055309990001

What in the hell is up with these pictures. :D

[Dutch]

Those are for AOL users only.....

But I am so happy right now, I was so happy I had to turn off CNN and all their continued "Doom and Gloom" approach to the world.

BTW, FoxNews is showing why capturing Saddam Hussein is actually a good thing. :D

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Dutch
Those are for AOL users only.....

But I am so happy right now, I was so happy I had to turn off CNN and all their continued "Doom and Gloom" approach to the world.

BTW, FoxNews is showing why capturing Saddam Hussein is actually a good thing. :D I wonder if CNN is trying to be more "International" and distance itself from being a US network. I just looked at the current web headlines:

foxnews.com headline: "We got him."
msnbc.com headline: "We got him."
cnn.com headline: U.S.: "We got him."

[CamEdwards]

here's a link to video of the press conference.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/world/121403-3v.htm

[Qwikshot]

Wonderful excellent news, it will reduce the violence in Iraq, perhaps even turn the tide now, because the Iraqis' monster is gone, I'm sure they hate foreign Islamic fundamentalists as much as the coalition.

Now we gotta get Bin Laden.

I think Saddam will be spend life in prison, I'd be very surprised if he was executed...but he's caught all the same...wonderful news.

[Maple Leafs]

Hey guys, I just woke up and tuned into CNN. Why have US troops arrested Rupert from Survivor?

[Mustang]

Originally posted by Maple Leafs
Hey guys, I just woke up and tuned into CNN. Why have US troops arrested Rupert from Survivor?

Is that who it is? I thought it was Captain Barbossa...

[Buccaneer]

I have read several times that most believe that Bin Laden is dead and that a successor is already in place. As long as terrorism and terrorist-minded people exist in the region, it will be hard but the capture of Saddam should help the Iraqi out by removing a deep fear (as with his sons).

[KWhit]

I was out listening to NPR when I heard the news this morning. Just saw the video of the press conference. My God, that was powerful. The arab reaction when Saddam's face first appeared in the video took my breath away.

Just amazing.

[Super Ugly]

Well, it's all good that they've captured him, but it's just like people have asked - what the hell are they going to do with him? Put him on trial. Okay. Then what? Kill him? Fuck, if we think that the whole terrorism situation is bad enough now, then THAT would open up an entire new world of oh my gosh. I don't know about anyone else, but when I heard the news my first reaction was "ok, cool, but now things are going to get really messed up."
Okay, and I know that people are saying, "now we just gotta find Bin Laden," which is understandable. Yeah, the guy needs to be caught, but that just makes it sound like Saddam and Al Quaeda and whoever else you want think have all spent time together sitting in underground bunkers, scheming on ways to bring us all down. Let's not lose sight of what's really going on - yeah, it's great that this dude was caught, but I can't imagine that things are going to get any better over there any time soon.
Er, ok ... done ...

[Dutch]

I see it didn't take long for the CNN crowd to filter in.... :rolleyes:

[Pumpy Tudors]

Not speaking of any one person in particular, but for a bunch of folks who apparently pride themselves of being open to discussion and debate, it's amazing how many opinions are simply dismissed just because they're different. At times, particularly when politics are involved (and this certainly IS a political issue), this place becomes the Old Boy's Club. It doesn't bother me, but it certainly is eye-opening.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

SO after getting his sons we finally bag dad...<p>Get it?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by BigJohn&TheLions
SO after getting his sons we finally bag dad...<p>Get it? Painful. There oughta be a "ban puns penalty box." ;)

[Jon]

Pumpy, I agree with you. And it does bother me, a little bit.
Capturing Saddam is a great act of symbolism, but it doesnt' really change much. Bush claimed a mandate to get the WMD, which we haven't heard much about in a while. American troops are at as much of a risk, if not more, than before the capture. That having been said, it DOES show how hard our troops are working and they should be commended.

By the way, did anyone else notice that some Iraqis were waiving what appeared to be old USSR flags? THey were read, and it was the hammer and sickle.

[kingfc22]

Thank goodness our troops finally captured this tyrant. Now if we could find a way to end the suicide bombings and such in Iraq.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I appreciate that you see where I'm coming from, Jon, although I would like to state that I don't wish anyone to infer a political opinion from what I'm saying. I personally find these types of discussions to be fruitless and inflammatory, so I don't wish to announce my personal feelings here. Besides, whenever I see someone adamantly defending their political views, it usually just comes off as someone trying to tell us how to think. That may not be the intent, but that's how it usually comes out. I'm not in the business of telling people how to think. If I were, I'd become a-- well, let's not get into that. ;)

[robbgmaier]

I wonder how long before Saddam gets his first taste of being on the other end of the chocolate highway?

I'm sorry, was that in poor taste?

[Jon]

I took it as comment on discourse, and can be applied everywhere.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Pumpy Tudors
I appreciate that you see where I'm coming from, Jon, although I would like to state that I don't wish anyone to infer a political opinion from what I'm saying. I personally find these types of discussions to be fruitless and inflammatory, so I don't wish to announce my personal feelings here. Besides, whenever I see someone adamantly defending their political views, it usually just comes off as someone trying to tell us how to think. That may not be the intent, but that's how it usually comes out. I'm not in the business of telling people how to think. If I were, I'd become a-- well, let's not get into that. ;)

I'll go a step further and not leave any room for doubt. There are just some ignorant people out there who only feel the only way to make their opinion valid is by insulting other's opinions, not debating the merits of the other's points. Yeah, Dutch, that's you.

SI

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally posted by Jon
I took it as comment on discourse, and can be applied everywhere.

I see. I just wanted to distance the first sentence or two from the rest of your post. Thanks.

[timmynausea]

Hooray for America!

Thank goodness Saddam Hussein will continue to pose absolutely no threat to us! I'm so glad Bush picked and conquered an easy target when he couldn't get the real culprit.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Well, a few of these posts demonstrate what I've said about these "discussions" being fruitless and inflammatory.

[GabeRivers]

Jon: "By the way, did anyone else notice that some Iraqis were waiving what appeared to be old USSR flags? THey were read, and it was the hammer and sickle."

Those were Iraqi flags, and the symbols are the crescent moon and a star -- very common flag symbols on middle eastern flags (also see: masons and numerous college fraternities).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally posted by Pumpy Tudors
... it's amazing how many opinions are simply dismissed just because they're different.

Speaking as just one of those who often dismiss the opinions of others, I'd like to point out that I never do it because the opinion is "different" -- I dismiss certain comments/opinions/people because I'm convinced that they're dead wrong.

And that's not the same as what you're saying.

[Qwikshot]

Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA
Speaking as just one of those who often dismiss the opinions of others, I'd like to point out that I never do it because the opinion is "different" -- I dismiss certain comments/opinions/people because I'm convinced that they're dead wrong.

And that's not the same as what you're saying.

Do you mean:

I'd agree with you if you were right.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally posted by Qwikshot Do you mean:

I'd agree with you if you were right.

I probably oughta consider that for a bit to make sure there isn't something I'm missing, but at first blush that looks like a pretty good way of putting it.

[BishopMVP]

Great news. From what I've heard, we're fighting two groups over there - Saddam Loyalists and Terrorists - so it won't end all the attacks on US troops, but should reduce the first group significantly, although there might be a short-lived escalation by Baath loyalists to try and show they can still fight.

With the other stuff, there are a lot of idiots out there, especially in the media, so occasionally I know I take some fairly innocuos comments here and connect them with other more serious things I see outside here in the same vein. I try not to respond when I do that, but sometimes it can be hard. Not so much an excuse as a possible explanation.

[RebelMan]

It's pretty damn ironic that his two sons had the cajones to hold out in a building with 2 AK-47s and fight to the death while Saddam himself chickened out in a rabbit hole.

I'm still waiting for when I see the following line appear on FOX News's ticker

"Saddam Hussein captured... Hang the Bastard! How will this affect the traitorous democratic party? Special Reporter Ann Coulter reports"

[BishopMVP]

Dola. This is the type of thing I'm talking about :rolleyes:

Originally posted by timmynausea
Hooray for America!

Thank goodness Saddam Hussein will continue to pose absolutely no threat to us! I'm so glad Bush picked and conquered an easy target when he couldn't get the real culprit.

Especially when I saw this article ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/14/wterr14.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/12/14/ixportaltop.html ) just before I came. Now, this is unproven, but to see people arrogantly making snide comments like that, especially when it is such a gray area, and it appears that they aren't even happy we captured Saddam just pisses me off.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA
Speaking as just one of those who often dismiss the opinions of others, I'd like to point out that I never do it because the opinion is "different" -- I dismiss certain comments/opinions/people because I'm convinced that they're dead wrong.

And that's not the same as what you're saying.

So tell me if I'm understanding you correctly. When you do this, you're not looking for a debate. You just want to have a discussion with people who agree with you. If this is indeed the case, that's fine with me. I'm just trying to understand what the purpose of ALL these discussions is, as I continue to find them fruitless and inflammatory.

[GrantDawg]

http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/{280CC318-913A-4E7F-A6E0-E0E011BF3CD5}.gif

[sterlingice]

Nice, GrantDawg ;)

Anyways, ok, from a non-political perspective. What kind of trial is Saddam going to face?

SI

[sachmo71]

I don't think his capture is purely symbolic, at least any more than capturing Bin Laden would be. His capture takes him out of the chain of command. That will cause disorganization to spread throughout the Saddam loyalist forces. Also, if there are any who were fighting for him out of fear of reprisals, or even more importantly, keeping quiet for the same reasons, his capture will reduce the threat to their lives by a signifigant factor.

[Dutch]

I'll go a step further and not leave any room for doubt. There are just some ignorant people out there who only feel the only way to make their opinion valid is by insulting other's opinions, not debating the merits of the other's points. Yeah, Dutch, that's you.

SI

For the record, you called me ignorant, not the other way around. ;)

And I was merely pointing out that many people rejoiced with the capture of Saddam Hussein, but that it wouldn't take long before those same people who used to clamor, "Why can't the USA catch Saddam?" are now saying, "What's the big deal? The USA's policy still sucks".

It looks to me like I am just rejoicing for a big battle won in the larger war on terrorism, and others are taking to calling me "ignorant" for daring to believe that what happened is good.

Who's blocking who???

[Jon]

Originally posted by sachmo71
I don't think his capture is purely symbolic, at least any more than capturing Bin Laden would be. His capture takes him out of the chain of command. That will cause disorganization to spread throughout the Saddam loyalist forces. Also, if there are any who were fighting for him out of fear of reprisals, or even more importantly, keeping quiet for the same reasons, his capture will reduce the threat to their lives by a signifigant factor.

You're assuming that he's in charge of the insurgency. There is no proof of that. Even Bush indicated that this may not be the case.

As for this being part of the "War on Terrorism," the United States is not any safer today than we were the day before yesterday. I haven't seen the proof that Saddam is connected to the 9/11 terrorists.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Dutch
And I was merely pointing out that many people rejoiced with the capture of Saddam Hussein, but that it wouldn't take long before those same people who used to clamor, "Why can't the USA catch Saddam?" are now saying, "What's the big deal? The USA's policy still sucks".

It looks to me like I am just rejoicing for a big battle won in the larger war on terrorism, and others are taking to calling me "ignorant" for daring to believe that what happened is good.

Funny, I didn't see that anywhere in this quote:

I see it didn't take long for the CNN crowd to filter in....
I saw a post belittling anyone who disagreed with you. Doesn't seem to be many words for much else. That's a really long message to put in 13 words.

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally posted by Pumpy Tudors I'm just trying to understand what the purpose of ALL these discussions is, as I continue to find them fruitless and inflammatory.

On that point, we don't disagree.

It's one of the reasons that I maintain a rather exclusive forum of my own, which isn't subject to anything other than my own whims. It's a small collection of like-minded folks who occasionally choose to enjoy the company of "their own".

At this point, I'm not particularly excited about the prospects of "converting" anyone on the various hot-button topics of the day. Essentially, I've given up on the large majority of people who refuse to "get it", and engage them in conversation only for occasional amusement.

Naturally, I reserve the option of highlighting stupidity on occasion, lest anyone not fully beyond reclamation in their belief structure be mislead by any of the absurdities that float around, but other than that ... pffft on the majority of "political debates", they're not likely to accomplish much of anything anyway.

Far better I spend that energy on destroying those enemies instead of on a pointless exercise in salvaging them.

[sachmo71]

Originally posted by Jon
You're assuming that he's in charge of the insurgency. There is no proof of that. Even Bush indicated that this may not be the case.

As for this being part of the "War on Terrorism," the United States is not any safer today than we were the day before yesterday. I haven't seen the proof that Saddam is connected to the 9/11 terrorists.

Maybe...but I'm thinking more about his thug tactics. He rose to power using violence, fear and intimidation. He continued to use those tactics to hold his power. That leads me to the assumption that he continued down this path during his evasion. With him firmly "out of the way", I'm assuming that some of his forces may just simply surrender, as there is a lower fear of reprisal.

Also, I don't think Saddam's personality would allow him to stay in the background and not have some decision-making power in the loyalist command structure. I would be hard for me to fathom how someone like him could not have some sort of influence on the command structure of the loyalist forces, such as it was. I expect to see him issue a cease all hostilities order within the week.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by sachmo71
Maybe...but I'm thinking more about his thug tactics. He rose to power using violence, fear and intimidation. He continued to use those tactics to hold his power. That leads me to the assumption that he continued down this path during his evasion. With him firmly "out of the way", I'm assuming that some of his forces may just simply surrender, as there is a lower fear of reprisal.

Also, I don't think Saddam's personality would allow him to stay in the background and not have some decision-making power in the loyalist command structure. I would be hard for me to fathom how someone like him could not have some sort of influence on the command structure of the loyalist forces, such as it was. I expect to see him issue a cease all hostilities order within the week.

And third, there are many in Iraq who believed as long as Saddam was free he would return to power. Many continue to work against the new government because they were afraid of "reprisals" once he returned to power. Now that it will not happen, there are going to be many willing to openly work against Saddam's cronies and foreign terrorist in hope for peace.

Capture Saddam wasn't the end all of conflict, but it was a huge step that way.

[Jon]

Many people didn't think he would be in a rat-infested hole either.

Seriously, though, Steinbrenner will do anything to take attention awy from the fact he let Pettitte get away.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Jon
Many people didn't think he would be in a rat-infested hole either.

Seriously, though, Steinbrenner will do anything to take attention awy from the fact he let Pettitte get away.

*snicker*

SI

[Dutch]

I saw a post belittling anyone who disagreed with you. Doesn't seem to be many words for much else. That's a really long message to put in 13 words.

SI

Saddam Hussein was captured! Didn't you see the news? That's a good thing. It's a shame that I have to point that out. And that was exactly my point with regards to the CNN crowd. I have been critical of CNN for their extreme negative views on what the USA is trying to accomplish and when I heard Saddam was captured I flipped straight to CNN and there they were talking about how much this will really upset the insurgents and "what this means in costs of American lives...more or less?" I was disgusted. And when I came to the forum, everybody was excited except one joker who was bashing the USA for trying to get rid of idiots like Saddam Hussein.

So I gave him 13 words of my time. And you turn around and in essense told me, if you don't bite your tongue on this day and just be nice to the anti-USA crowd, I will call you "ignorant".

And I'm the bad guy? I think not.

[Easy Mac]

Sorry I haven't posted on this as the resident commie, but I've been travelling all day, and when I finally got to a home, I've been taking care of my mom, who's been throwing up and just been really bad today.

Anyway, i commend the military for their hardwork nad their perseverence. I don't think I could have spent the past 5-6 months (since the war was "over") searching various places over and over. Good job to them for finding Saddam.

Congrats to Bush, he's completed about half of the goals in the wars now (still missing the WMD's and Bin Laden). I don't support many of his policies, nor the wars, but he's done what he needed to do so far, and it seems like everyting he needed to have happen has happened in the past few days... and just for the record, every person I've seen who plans to run next year is a dumbass, regardless of political affiliation.

Anyway, I had a point but my sister called while I was typing, seems her husband has the same virus as my mom.

Oh yeah, I'd say just try Hussein and lock him away in some Gulag for the rest of his life. It accomplishes nothing by killing him, and it would probably make things worse... why not make him suffer for the rest of his life instead of giving him the easy way out.

the resistence fighting may be heavy in the short run from the Baath people, just because they realize they'll die one way or another. I could see Al Quaeda (or whoever is in Iraq) abandoning it in a few months. There's really nothing there for them, and there are other countries which are better suited to house them.

I think so long as Chaney stops wasting money with his boys, Iraq may be salvageable sooner rather than later.

Anyway, allow the crazed right rip my post to shreds and only quote one word at a time to show that I actually want to have sex with Saddam and his dead sons.:p

[Ben E Lou]

Easy:

That is a reasoned, responsible, non-partisan post. Looks like you're growin' up, kiddo. ;)

I'm still convinced that Easy will be voting Republican by the 2016 election.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Dutch
Saddam Hussein was captured! Didn't you see the news? That's a good thing. It's a shame that I have to point that out. And that was exactly my point with regards to the CNN crowd. I have been critical of CNN for their extreme negative views on what the USA is trying to accomplish and when I heard Saddam was captured I flipped straight to CNN and there they were talking about how much this will really upset the insurgents and "what this means in costs of American lives...more or less?" I was disgusted. And when I came to the forum, everybody was excited except one joker who was bashing the USA for trying to get rid of idiots like Saddam Hussein.

So I gave him 13 words of my time. And you turn around and in essense told me, if you don't bite your tongue on this day and just be nice to the anti-USA crowd, I will call you "ignorant".

And I'm the bad guy? I think not.

That's real political of you to use the non-sequitur there. I'm not sure what one has to do with the other. Yes, Saddam was captured and that's a good thing. And yes, you're trying to be a "bad guy" today. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, Saddam was captured. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a rational thinking human being who thinks this is a bad thing. After the initial "are we sure it's him and not a body double" phase of doubt was swept away, it made my day quite a bit brighter.

Yet, you feel the need to call out every single person who disagrees with you. Not only that, but you just mock them, calling them "the CNN crowd" and rolling your eyes. And it's not so much that I take issue with but that you feel the need to insult people without even debating the topic. It's in the vein of "YOU DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOUR INFALLABLE GOVERNMENT SAID, YOU'RE UNAMERICAN" which smacks a lot of McCarthyism. Or worse, other fascist government a lot like the one Saddam was leading.

Today: celebrate! Be happy! It's the holiday season and one of the most evil men in the world was captured today and won't be able to do any more bad things! You are the one tainting this day and making it worse by not being able to put aside petty partisanship. You want to debate with people- great! Debate is good. But I'm tired of people on this board just insulting others because they disagree.

SI

[Easy Mac]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Easy:

That is a reasoned, responsible, non-partisan post. Looks like you're growin' up, kiddo. ;)

I'm still convinced that Easy will be voting Republican by the 2016 election.

nope, can't shake the feeling that IN THEORY, the Democratic ideas are sounder.... but if we can just kill the people who abuse the system, then you'd be voting Democrat... that, and I'm pro-choice and anti-death penalty (odd combos for sure, but those are other discussions.)

Or else you're right, b/c my girl would have pushed me to join her on the dark side... and you can't say no to lovin.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
Or else you're right, b/c my girl would have pushed me to join her on the dark sideBoth major parties are dark sides, ultimately.

[CamEdwards]

Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA
On that point, we don't disagree.

It's one of the reasons that I maintain a rather exclusive forum of my own, which isn't subject to anything other than my own whims. It's a small collection of like-minded folks who occasionally choose to enjoy the company of "their own".

At this point, I'm not particularly excited about the prospects of "converting" anyone on the various hot-button topics of the day. Essentially, I've given up on the large majority of people who refuse to "get it", and engage them in conversation only for occasional amusement.

Naturally, I reserve the option of highlighting stupidity on occasion, lest anyone not fully beyond reclamation in their belief structure be mislead by any of the absurdities that float around, but other than that ... pffft on the majority of "political debates", they're not likely to accomplish much of anything anyway.

Far better I spend that energy on destroying those enemies instead of on a pointless exercise in salvaging them.

Now I'm pissed that I've never been invited. :)

[Dutch]

You want to debate with people- great! Debate is good. But I'm tired of people on this board just insulting others because they disagree.

SI

Wow, I'm guessing you have a lower opinion of CNN than I do... :D

And yes, it's a great day for all of us!

[Jon]

Now, there's no love lost between Bush and I, but I do have a lot of respect for him: he decided to speak at noon rather than interrupt the Season finale of Survivor. That is a classy man.

[Dutch]

Now, there's no love lost between Bush and I, but I do have a lot of respect for him: he decided to speak at noon rather than interrupt the Season finale of Survivor. That is a classy man.

You aren't the guy from Survivor are you???? And yes, Amen to what you said.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Dutch
Wow, I'm guessing you have a lower opinion of CNN than I do... :D

And yes, it's a great day for all of us!

Well, yeah, that's true. I was even disappointed in the AP today for some of their comments in there that were clearly partisan. I try to get my news as "untainted" as possible. I just want the facts (tho, I realize even those are subjective depending on which you choose to omit and which you choose to show).

So, uh, back to everything else. Did anyone else get the image of a bad 80s movie in your head when you heard the operation was called "Red Dawn"? :)

SI

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
but if we can just kill the people who abuse the system, then you'd be voting Democrat...I glossed over this the first time. That's pretty humorous actually...

[sterlingice]

Anyways, back to the topic at hand again? What kind of trial is he going to be facing? Iraqi? International? What?

I'm in favor of the death penalty in this case but if it's not built into the court system that he's tried under, it's not going to happen (nor should it). However, I bet Iraqi pound-me-in-the-ass prison is worse than US pound-me-in-the-ass prison or wherever he'd end up (somewhere "cushy" like Turkey where they just "love" the guy)

SI

[Dutch]

So, uh, back to everything else. Did anyone else get the image of a bad 80s movie in your head when you heard the operation was called "Red Dawn"?

SI

Oh man, I loved that movie. Nothing like getting high school kids fired up about killing commies. You can't get that kind of passion out of kids today...damned shame. :)

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by sterlingice
What kind of trial is he going to be facing? Iraqi? International? What?I'd be willing to bet that this will be the most "politicized" decision of the whole process.

[Dutch]

That will be tricky, it might be best for PR to just wait for the Iraqi's to yell and scream to have him back, and then just drop him off in downtown Baghdad one day with a lowjack system installed in his ass. If the Iraqi's don't want handle him with authority, we'll go get him back and drag his ass back to America behind a tow truck.

[JPhillips]

I'm not convinced he will ever see trial publicly. The things he will say and do in court will be very embarassing to Bush and his father. I suspect some sort of military tribunal that will be closed to the public.

[mckerney]

Originally posted by Jon
Now, there's no love lost between Bush and I, but I do have a lot of respect for him: he decided to speak at noon rather than interrupt the Season finale of Survivor. That is a classy man.

There's still 5 guys left in Survivor, the finale is a ways off. So many questions still need to be answered. Such as does Jeeber have a shot despite being currently absent?

It shall be an exciting conclusion obviously, but one that we will not see tonight.

[SplitPersonality1]

Originally posted by SkyDog
I'm still convinced that Easy will be voting Republican by the 2016 election.

:)

[JPhillips]

Dutch: Thought you might like to know about this bit of America-hating negativism that was seen on EVERY NETWORK today:

"I also have a message for all Americans: The capture of Saddam Hussein does not mean the end of violence in Iraq. We still face terrorists who would rather go on killing the innocent than accept the rise of liberty in the heart of the Middle East."

Could there possibly be anything more disgusting? Here's hoping the enemy who said that gets, as JoninMiddleGA said, "destroyed".

[CamEdwards]

advocating the death of the President, JPhillips? That's a real class move.

[sabotai]

Hold on a second...I just have to tweak something....

There, Cam's sarcasm detector should be working now.

:D

[CamEdwards]

any excuse to play with my nipples, eh Sabotai? :)

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by sabotai
Hold on a second...I just have to tweak something....

There, Cam's sarcasm detector should be working now.

:D

Awesome, sab!

SI

[CamEdwards]

dola:

I figure if JPhillips is going to twist and distort what other people say, I can do the same. It's the American way, isn't it? :D

[NoMyths]

JPhillips, when the men in suits come to your door, yes...they really ARE from the Secret Service. ;)

[sabotai]

Originally posted by CamEdwards
any excuse to play with my nipples, eh Sabotai? :)

They're just so soft and fuzzy. How can I help myself. :)

I figure if JPhillips is going to twist and distort what other people say, I can do the same. It's the American way, isn't it? :D

Well, it's certainly the FOFC-way at least. (notice I haven't said anything...because I know what will happen.)

[Buccaneer]

Originally posted by sabotai
Well, it's certainly the FOFC-way at least. (notice I haven't said anything...because I know what will happen.)

And the typical knee-jerk response would then be that all you care about is Bush not being re-elected? :D

I'm staying out of this too. What I said earlier is enough.

[The Afoci]

KILL WHITEY!!!!

[Qwikshot]

Originally posted by The Afoci
KILL WHITEY!!!!

Name the movie:

He thought today was whiteboy day.

[sachmo71]

Originally posted by Qwikshot
Name the movie:

He thought today was whiteboy day.

True Romance

[BishopMVP]

Originally posted by JPhillips
I'm not convinced he will ever see trial publicly. The things he will say and do in court will be very embarassing to Bush and his father. I suspect some sort of military tribunal that will be closed to the public.

Right now, it looks like the Iraqi Governing Council believes it will try Saddam under its new War Crimes Tribunal, and it seems they will be open, televised trials. This is obvioulsy conjecture, and nobody really knows.

Anything embarrassing regarding the Bushes (and there probably is a very small amount) will be trumped by the French.... and Russians.... and Germans.....etc. Remember that Saddam did try to assassinate Bush Sr.

[JPhillips]

Cam: Yes I do think your sarcasm detector is set a bit too low. As to distorting I didn't have to, Bush said the quote, Dutch said words like these came from, "the CNN crowd" and later expanded on his distaste for such speakers, and Jon said there was no point in trying to convert his enemies, they should just be, "destroyed".

Now I'm not necessarily opposed to distorting, I just didn't have to in this case!

Bishop: That may be what happens, but one thing I know for certain is that the IGC has no authority to do anything we don't first approve. I'm just not convinced that a public trial is in our best interests. It will be a great thing for the Iraqi people if they can run a fair trial and show a system of justice, but I'm not sure it helps the US.

Saddam is smart and will spend the whole trial bashing the US. I don't think Bush will let the nightly newscasts lead with the latest outrages from Saddam.

[The Afoci]

I hope they shoot him in the big toe.

[Bee]

Originally posted by The Afoci
I hope they shoot him in the big toe.

Finally a voice of reason.

[Huckleberry]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Both major parties are dark sides, ultimately.

Smartest thing said on the entire thread.

[The Afoci]

Originally posted by Bee
Finally a voice of reason.

Thank you. It really came down to this and attaching a Crawfish to his sack.

[GrantDawg]

Kill the white people, ooh-oo, ooh-oo
Kill the white people, but buy my records first.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by GrantDawg
Kill the white people, ooh-oo, ooh-oo
Kill the white people, but buy my records first. When they come to the record store, we gonna wait outside.
We gonna hit 'em in the head with a bat and make 'em cry.

[Bee]

Here's (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1514&e=11&u=/afp/20031215/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_saddam_resistance) a link to an article where an "expert" says the capture of Saddam may lead to the strengthening of the anti-US groups in Iraq. I have no idea if he's right, but he does make an interesting point that I never considered. Now that Saddam is out of the way, those people who are anti-US that also didn't like Saddam can now join the fight without appearing to support Saddam.

[GrantDawg]

Originally posted by SkyDog
When they come to the record store, we gonna wait outside.
We gonna hit 'em in the head with a bat and make 'em cry.

ROTFLMWAO!!!!

[KWhit]

Originally posted by GrantDawg
ROTFLMWAO!!!!

Rolling on the floor launching my wad at oykib!!!




:eek:

[dawgfan]

Originally posted by Dutch
Saddam Hussein was captured! Didn't you see the news? That's a good thing. It's a shame that I have to point that out.

It's a good thing that a brutal dictator like Saddam has been captured and will face trial and punishment for his actions. Of this, there is no question.

Originally posted by Dutch
And that was exactly my point with regards to the CNN crowd. I have been critical of CNN for their extreme negative views on what the USA is trying to accomplish and when I heard Saddam was captured I flipped straight to CNN and there they were talking about how much this will really upset the insurgents and "what this means in costs of American lives...more or less?" I was disgusted.

Here's where things get interesting. Removing Saddam Hussein from power was one of the goals of Gulf War 2, and capturing him greatly reduces the chance he'll ever return to power in Iraq. Great job.

This doesn't end our occupation of Iraq, and as long as our soldiers are in harm's way, why is it not a legitimate question to ask how this capture affects the violence directed at them? You'd have to have an extremely distrustful and paranoid view of CNN to imply that by asking these questions, they were in some way downplaying the capture of Saddam.

[SplitPersonality1]

Originally posted by GrantDawg
Kill the white people, ooh-oo, ooh-oo
Kill the white people, but buy my records first.

LOL. By far, one of the top 20 SNL skits of all-time.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by The Afoci
I hope they shoot him in the big toe. I say we call a coupla hard pipe hittin' niggaz, and go to work on the homes wit' a pair a pliers and a blowtorch.

[The Afoci]

Originally posted by SkyDog
I say we call a coupla hard pipe hittin' niggaz, and go to work on the homes wit' a pair a pliers and a blowtorch.

This is the wrong thread for this. I think you meant to post this in your Christian Youth Basketball Dynasty. :D

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by The Afoci
This is the wrong thread for this. I think you meant to post this in your Christian Youth Basketball Dynasty. :D No need. That's already been done to the best players in our league who aren't on my team...

[The Afoci]

I can't wait for the SI article about the dark underside of Georgia Christian Basketball Leagues.

[Dutch]

Dawgfan - You'd have to have an extremely distrustful and paranoid view of CNN to imply that by asking these questions, they were in some way downplaying the capture of Saddam.

So you would agree that if others were downplaying the capture of Saddam Hussein by asking these questions that they were distrustful and paranoid? :D

[dawgfan]

Originally posted by Dutch
So you would agree that if others were downplaying the capture of Saddam Hussein by asking these questions that they were distrustful and paranoid? :D

Nope. Only people that have an extremist agenda would say that it was a bad thing that Saddam was captured.

What you're reacting against is the general feeling that Americans weren't as concerned about capturing Saddam as they were reducing the danger that our troops face in occupying Iraq. I think it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask whether Saddam's catpure will have an effect on the resistance and attacks our troops in Iraq are facing. I'm not sure why asking these questions implies that capturing Saddam is not a good thing.

Seems to me your big problem with CNN is that they're not big enough cheerleaders for U.S. military action as you'd like...

[Dutch]

Seems to me your big problem with CNN is that they're not big enough cheerleaders for U.S. military action as you'd like...

Well, I am in the U.S. Military first of all, so yes, I do want the news to be on my side. :)