2003 NFL Draft-Day Trades: early winners/losers?

[cthomer5000]

A complete list of draft-day trades can be found here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/story?id=1545036

Jets give up #13, #22, and a fourth round pick to Chicago for #4 (DT DeWayne Roberston)

After 1 year, this is on track to go down as the worst trade in Jets history. Robertson was absolutely invisible this year, even though was force-fed plenty of playing. I saw no pass-rush out of him, no run defense... just plenty of disappearing on the field.

I can't say how the Bears end has worked out so far, except that Grossman looked pretty good in his limited playing time. Perhaps someone more familiar with the team can comment on DE Michael Haynes and DT Ian Scott.

Ravens send their 2nd round pick (#41 overall) and 2004 #1 pick (which will be #21 overall) for the Patriots first rounder (#19 overall)

The Ravens selected Kyle Boller, who looked liked a rookie (bad) before being injured. Although Anthony Wright had some big games, I don't think he'll be stealing Boller's job. The Pats re-traded the 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder of their own to move up in the 2nd round and get a 4th rounder (both from Houston). CB Eugene Wilson and all-puropose guy Dan Klecko were the selections. Although the 1st rounder in 2004 is probably lower than they expected, I think the Pats have to be pretty satisfied with their trade. If Boller is indeed the QB of the future for Baltimore, they got him for a pretty reasonable price (a #21 and #41 pick).


Anyone have any thoughts on these or other trades?

[Balldog]

The Patriots made out pretty well in that deal. Wilson and Klecko both contributed, Wilson started most of the season. This year they have I think 6 picks in the first 4 rounds, hopefully they can get a running back.

[rkmsuf]

Speaking of the Pats, 2003 has a chance to be one of their greatest drafts.

Wilson has been spectacular...originally a corner, shifted to safety with no prior expierence and is a playmaker. He was in the mix for defensive rookie of the year.

A.Samuel looks like he has the tools to be a very good starting corner.

Koppen is the starting center.

Bethel Johnson's speed has been on display and he's starting to come on in the passing game.

Even Banta Kain from the 7th round has seen the field as recently as a couple weeks ago...

Ironically the first pick of Warren is the one that's up in the air. Add in the 2004 picks and the haul starting from 2003 to this year's draft could be huge if it isn't already...

[albionmoonlight]

Saints get: No. 6 overall pick, plus Arizona's second-round pick (No. 37) and fourth-round pick (No. 102).
Cardinals get: No. 17 and No. 18 picks, plus New Orleans' second-round pick (No. 54)

Like the Jets, the Saints traded multiple first rounders to pick up a disapointing defensive tackle. The coaches have said that Jonathan Sullivan did not have as big of an impact as they had hoped when they got him. At the time the trade was made, people thought that the Saints were moving up to get Marcus Trufant. It's only been a year, but it looks like we should have.

We were hoping to get Boss Bailey with the second round pick, but the Lions snagged him a pick or two ahead of us. That would have been nice. I was hoping that we would get E.J. Henderson with the pick, but instead we picked up massive disapointment Jon Stinchcomb. Early word is that he is a great guy with a lot of hustle, but does not have the quickness to play guard or the strength to play tackle. Last I heard, they were still trying to find his natrual position.

With the later pick in the second round, Arizona got Anquan Boldin. I can't speak for the Cards, but I have to think that they are more than a little happy with that pick.

At the time the trade was made, I thought that we got really good value from Arizona. I still do. I just don't think that we did much with the picks we got.

[rkmsuf]

The hype surrounding all those supposed impact DTs was amazing last year. It buffaloed the Jets and the Saints into what look like shaky picks...

[HornedFrog Purple]

Defensive tackles are hard to judge after one year. Offensive guards, centers and defensive tackles coming out of college have probably the most physical adjustments to make.

Jimmy took Russell Maryland and people down here were going "What?!?!". He was never overly dominant but ended up having a nice career.

[rkmsuf]

Defensive tackles are hard to judge after one year. Offensive guards, centers and defensive tackles coming out of college have probably the most physical adjustments to make.

Jimmy took Russell Maryland and people down here were going "What?!?!". He was never overly dominant but ended up having a nice career.

Still for the price and considering the other available talent at the same position the trade up to get either one would be termed shaky at this point...

[HornedFrog Purple]

Oh yes, early results definitely. It's all about that magic "potential" word.

[rkmsuf]

Oh yes, early results definitely. It's all about that magic "potential" word.

The Jets and Saints will be stressing that point throughout the offseason...

[cthomer5000]

The Jets and Saints will be stressing that point throughout the offseason...

...so that the personnel & coaching staffs can keep their jobs. The Jets have had a piss-poor drafting track record over the last 5 years. Even the players that do turn into something aren't doing anything until their 3rd season or so.

It took until year 3 for Santana Moss to come close to justify his 1st round selection. Same with Pennington (and this was flat-out because they refuesed to give him playing time). Anthony Becht is still a question mark after year 4, Shaun Ellis finally looked like a solid DE in year 4. Don't even get me started on DE Bryan Thomas. I said it was a wasted pick the minute they took him, and the guy has done jack shit in 2 years - he's looking like a consummate bust. John Abrham showed flashes in year 1 (at linebacker), and wad indeed an immediate impact in year 2 as a DE.

Overall, the position coaches seem to doing a below-average job at developing the talent they select.

[rkmsuf]

...so that the personnel & coaching staffs can keep their jobs. The Jets have had a piss-poor drafting track record over the last 5 years. Even the players that do turn into something aren't doing anything until their 3rd season or so.

It took until year 3 for Santana Moss to come close to justify his 1st round selection. Same with Pennington (and this was flat-out because they refuesed to give him playing time). Anthony Becht is still a question mark after year 4, Shaun Ellis finally looked like a solid DE in year 4. Don't even get me started on DE Bryan Thomas. I said it was a wasted pick the minute they took him, and the guy has done jack shit in 2 years - he's looking like a consummate bust. John Abrham showed flashes in year 1 (at linebacker), and wad indeed an immediate impact in year 2 as a DE.

Overall, the position coaches seem to doing a below-average job at developing the talent they select.

I don't think you can be all that critical of Moss or Pennington. Generally for wideouts it takes a good three years to "breakout". For Chad, Vinny deserved to play and sitting didn't hurt.

I'd be more concerned about an ugly pattern of slow starts under Herm...

[cthomer5000]

The hype surrounding all those supposed impact DTs was amazing last year. It buffaloed the Jets and the Saints into what look like shaky picks...


I hated that Jet trade from the first minute. DT is a definite issue with the Jets, the position pretty much needs to be overhauled. I thought they should have just stayed put and taken 2 DT's if they were so concerned. They could have taken Ty Warren (was taken at their #13 slot) and DT William Joseph (went at #25 to the Giants).

[cthomer5000]

I don't think you can be all that critical of Moss or Pennington. Generally for wideouts it takes a good three years to "breakout". For Chad, Vinny deserved to play and sitting didn't hurt.

I'd be more concerned about an ugly pattern of slow starts under Herm...

I detest almost everything about this current regime. Top-to-bottom.

If I were to take over the Jets tomorrow, I'd blow up that defense so damn fast. Keep the 1st-round D-lineman (4 in the last 4 years), our 1 young linebacker, then blow the rest to smithereens.

They need such an influx of talent at LB, OL, WR, DB...I really feel they could be headed for a complete collapse.

[rkmsuf]

The Jets really need to stop the run...however they can accomplish this will make a big difference.

Curtis Conway was kind of a head scratcher last year. I don't recall the contract but unless it was for the veteran minimum it was a bonehead move...

[cthomer5000]

The Jets really need to stop the run...however they can accomplish this will make a big difference.

Curtis Conway was kind of a head scratcher last year. I don't recall the contract but unless it was for the veteran minimum it was a bonehead move...

No, they gave Conway a decent signing bonus (at least a million I think). I didn't really like that move much. He pretty much played like complete crap most the season as well.

[FargoFreez aka fof playa]

Hey didn't the Vikings trade down and later pick ROTY Kevin Williams?...............................

Oh yeah, nevermind.

[rkmsuf]

Nice two year extention for ol Herm Edwards today...

[cthomer5000]

Nice two year extention for ol Herm Edwards today...

ouch. :mad: